Hi All,
So I was wondering if a 67 Shelby has an AM/FM ford radio
that was factory installed would that be noted on the Marty report?
my car has one but it could have been installed by a previous owner.
Thanks for any ideas.
It's my understanding that 67s, if ordered with a radio, were only given AM radios.
Others can correct me if I'm off :D.
Not sure on the 67 details, but it would be a Marti report item almost certainly because it requires modification to the doors
I bought my '67 GT350, brand new ( right off the showroom floor ), in May, of 1967, at Rich Ford,
Albuquerque, NM. It was delivered, with the Ford AM radio.
I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM radio.
Doug
Quote from: Coralsnake on April 17, 2020, 04:22:00 PM
Not sure on the 67 details, but it would be a Marti report item almost certainly because it requires modification to the doors
The 67 Shelby with a AM FM is very rare . I think Dave Mathews the registrar said something like one or two from the factory. I don't know if that number has changed with new info. The 67 AM FM is mono only so there is no modifications to the doors like for the AM 8 track which was stereo. Only 1 speaker in the dash for AM FM .Dave will have to confirm but I don't think there were any AM 8track factory installed in 67.
My car came with AM/FM and is included in the dealer invoice, but not Marti report. It may have commonly been done as a dealer installed upgrade at the time instead of factory.
Quote from: 6T6/7 on April 17, 2020, 05:13:48 PM
My car came with AM/FM and is included in the dealer invoice, but not Marti report. It may have commonly been done as a dealer installed upgrade at the time instead of factory.
+1 . A very common occurrence however not many have a dealer invoice to support the claim.
If it happened at the factory it would be on the Marti Report. If it happened at any time after the car left Ford then it would not be on the report.
Quote from: shelbyhertz66 on April 17, 2020, 03:56:07 PM
Hi All,
So I was wondering if a 67 Shelby has an AM/FM ford radio
that was factory installed would that be noted on the Marty report?
my car has one but it could have been installed by a previous owner.
Thanks for any ideas.
Hi All,
Thanks for the great input , always good help from folks here.
So my doors are not modified. This car has quite a lot of documentation
but no dealer invoice and it's not mentioned on the Marti report. The radio works
fine so no plans to change it . I rarely listen to it anyway as the sound of the solid
lifters happily clattering away is much more soothing to the ears..
Its a great upgrade
No problems with a modification. For others I would suggest not cutting doors, but adding speakers elsewhere
Quote from: Coralsnake on April 18, 2020, 10:55:47 AM
Its a great upgrade
No problems with a modification. For others I would suggest not cutting doors, but adding speakers elsewhere
+1 . Kick panel speakers are a easier aftermarket upgrade if adding speakers elsewhere available from most larger vendors.
I've seen this somewhere: the factory AM/FM was not available from the factory until after December 15th of 1966.
66, 67, 68 was the dawn of time for the FM band.
Coralsnake is correct, it is a nice upgrade.
I thought the FM radios were not available until March of '67.
+1 no one I know would object to it being there. Especially if it works!
Quote from: Coralsnake on April 18, 2020, 10:55:47 AM
Its a great upgrade
No problems with a modification. For others I would suggest not cutting doors, but adding speakers elsewhere
These are very cool radios
just had this one fixed up for my 67
and nobody objects to it being there like Royce said
There are people that will make your AM radio into an AMFM tuner and not change the appearance, also another cool move
Quote from: acapulco350 on April 21, 2020, 03:21:30 PM
These are very cool radios
just had this one fixed up for my 67
and nobody objects to it being there like Royce said
The car I had, had one just like it when I got the car. (I left it in)
Had a an AMFM radio in my 67 for over 35 years. It is hardly listened to but when you need it, it is great.
Dave
I'm with you Dave. Easy enough to change out. Four screws and a nut on the back, couple of wires to unplug.
Quote from: roddster on April 22, 2020, 12:37:48 PM
Easy enough to change out. Four screws and a nut on the back, couple of wires to unplug.
They knew what they were doing when they designed that installation. Couldn't be easier. Of course I don't currently have one in my car, couldn't hear it over the exhaust anyway.
My '67 GT 500 (#0962) had an AM/FM radio. I bought that new from S&C Ford. It had been in their inventory about three days. For some reason I thought there were speakers in the lower door panels. The radio had a slide switch to go from AM to FM. This car was different as had no strips and hubcaps. Can't really imagine S & C switching out the radio before it sold to me.
Quote from: 6s2055 on April 23, 2020, 11:41:06 PM
My '67 GT 500 (#0962) had an AM/FM radio. I bought that new from S&C Ford. It had been in their inventory about three days. For some reason I thought there were speakers in the lower door panels. The radio had a slide switch to go from AM to FM. This car was different as had no strips and hubcaps. Can't really imagine S & C switching out the radio before it sold to me.
Speakers only came in the doors with a AM 8 track option. The AM FM in 67 was mono not stereo . The car may be different now with no stripes given many still think they all came that way . When new 67 Shelby's did not come with Le Mans from SA. Hubcaps were the base wheel for a 67 Shelby so many came with them when new.
A very cool addition to your mono '67 AM/FM would be the "FM Stereo Multiplex Adapter". It plugged into the side of the radio and transformed the signal into stereo. Now you would really need 2 speakers! This is very, very rare. The multiplexer was made by Bendix, same as the factory AM/FM. The first one I came across was found many, many years ago. I never knew just what I had!
I believe it has FoMoCo marked on the front bezel.
Craig R.
Actually those boxes changed Mono into Mono with reverb. I have owned a few. Knew a girl when I wa in high school whose mother had a '67 Lincoln Continental 2 door coupe equipped with one. The sound kind of reminded me of listening the the old song "Crimson and Clover" over and over.
Quote from: SHELB66 on April 24, 2020, 11:21:41 PM
A very cool addition to your mono '67 AM/FM would be the "FM Stereo Multiplex Adapter". It plugged into the side of the radio and transformed the signal into stereo. Now you would really need 2 speakers! This is very, very rare. The multiplexer was made by Bendix, same as the factory AM/FM. The first one I came across was found many, many years ago. I never knew just what I had!
I believe it has FoMoCo marked on the front bezel.
Craig R.
Quote from: Royce Peterson on April 18, 2020, 09:24:36 AM
If it happened at the factory it would be on the Marti Report. If it happened at any time after the car left Ford then it would not be on the report.
Quote from: shelbyhertz66 on April 17, 2020, 03:56:07 PM
Hi All,
So I was wondering if a 67 Shelby has an AM/FM ford radio
that was factory installed would that be noted on the Marty report?
my car has one but it could have been installed by a previous owner.
Thanks for any ideas.
+1
That's why the SAI paperwork is so important.
It shows how the car was completed by SAI with any options added, not just how it was delivered to LAX by Ford.
SAI papers are more important than the Marti's, in my opinion.
There was a reverb unit in my car when I bought it in 74. Still have it somewhere.
Quote from: csheff on June 22, 2020, 08:50:32 AM
There was a reverb unit in my car when I bought it in 74. Still have it somewhere.
So that others reading can understand context, those were cool non original things(although some could be had over the Ford parts counter) to add in our cars back in the day because it made the radio sound similar to stereo. They typically got junked or put on the shelf when stereo radios/tape decks became available that would fit in place of the stock radio.
Pretty interesting stuff.
As the original poster on this I do have an update on my 67's ford AM/FM.
Even though i have a ton of documents on this car nothing had mentioned an AM/FM ,so I
decided to contact the SAAC registrar to see if they had any more paperwork that I did not already have ,sometimes
over the years different doc's are found for your specific car and they will send you copy's for a small fee. They had
the 67 GT350/500 production order for my car and also some letters from past owners and in one of them an owner
mentioned that he had upgraded to a Ford AM/FM . Mystery solved . I wish it would have been factory but I have no
plans to change it.
Dave
Quote from: shelbyhertz66 on June 24, 2020, 10:49:37 AM
Pretty interesting stuff.
As the original poster on this I do have an update on my 67's ford AM/FM.
Even though i have a ton of documents on this car nothing had mentioned an AM/FM ,so I
decided to contact the SAAC registrar to see if they had any more paperwork that I did not already have ,sometimes
over the years different doc's are found for your specific car and they will send you copy's for a small fee. They had
the 67 GT350/500 production order for my car and also some letters from past owners and in one of them an owner
mentioned that he had upgraded to a Ford AM/FM . Mystery solved . I wish it would have been factory but I have no
plans to change it.
Dave
Hi Dave,
Would you mind sharing the Shelby VIN with us?. We can check if the car was built at San Jose equipped with or without an AM radio.
I hope you don't mind my curiosity.
It's great to hear you contacted the registrar directly for any Documents you may not have.
Quote from: shlby66 on April 17, 2020, 04:49:18 PM
I bought my '67 GT350, brand new ( right off the showroom floor ), in May, of 1967, at Rich Ford,
Albuquerque, NM. It was delivered, with the Ford AM radio.
I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM radio.
Doug
Hi Doug,
Only 462 cars are known to have the AM radio installed at San Jose. The remaining did not.
We have this subject detailed in depth on the 67 Shelby research group. Here's a link to this topic.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/shelbyresearch/hYukQMTGYN0
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 01:14:01 PM
Quote from: shlby66 on April 17, 2020, 04:49:18 PM
I bought my '67 GT350, brand new ( right off the showroom floor ), in May, of 1967, at Rich Ford,
Albuquerque, NM. It was delivered, with the Ford AM radio.
I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM radio.
Doug
Hi Doug,
Only 462 cars are known to have the AM radio installed at San Jose. The remaining did not.
We have this subject detailed in depth on the 67 Shelby research group. Here's a link to this topic.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/shelbyresearch/hYukQMTGYN0
Don't you think you should say something about cars that got radios installed at SA/Highperformance Motors in the same way 66 GT350's typically got radios installed? Otherwise you give a skewed perception of how many left SA with and without radios. ;)
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 02:25:49 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 01:14:01 PM
Quote from: shlby66 on April 17, 2020, 04:49:18 PM
I bought my '67 GT350, brand new ( right off the showroom floor ), in May, of 1967, at Rich Ford,
Albuquerque, NM. It was delivered, with the Ford AM radio.
I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM radio.
Doug
Hi Doug,
Only 462 cars are known to have the AM radio installed at San Jose. The remaining did not.
We have this subject detailed in depth on the 67 Shelby research group. Here's a link to this topic.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/shelbyresearch/hYukQMTGYN0
Don't you think you should say something about cars that got radios installed at SA/Highperformance Motors in the same way 66 GT350's typically got radios installed? Otherwise you give a skewed perception of how many left SA with and without radios. ;)
For years all we've been hearing is that most if not all '67 Shelby's received radio's at SJ. We now know that is not true, thanks to the research we're doing in the SRG.
I just wanted to re-inforce that the SVOs, DSOs, POs, & Marti's indicate otherwise.
How many were installed by SAI was not the question, so I didn't feel the need to cover it in my post.
Anyone who wanted to know more detail could refer to the topic posted on the SRG in the link, I posted.
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 02:25:49 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 01:14:01 PM
Quote from: shlby66 on April 17, 2020, 04:49:18 PM
I bought my '67 GT350, brand new ( right off the showroom floor ), in May, of 1967, at Rich Ford,
Albuquerque, NM. It was delivered, with the Ford AM radio.
I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM radio.
Doug
Hi Doug,
Only 462 cars are known to have the AM radio installed at San Jose. The remaining did not.
We have this subject detailed in depth on the 67 Shelby research group. Here's a link to this topic.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/shelbyresearch/hYukQMTGYN0
Don't you think you should say something about cars that got radios installed at SA/Highperformance Motors in the same way 66 GT350's typically got radios installed? Otherwise you give a skewed perception of how many left SA with and without radios. ;)
For years all we've been hearing is that most if not all '67 Shelby's received radio's at SJ. We now know that is not true, thanks to the research we're doing in the SRG.
I just wanted to re-inforce that the SVOs, DSOs, POs, & Marti's indicate otherwise.
How many were installed by SAI was not the question, so I didn't feel the need to cover it in my post.
Anyone who wanted to know more detail could refer to the topic posted on the SRG in the link, I posted.
Rich, nether was it asked how many radios were installed at SJ . The quote is "I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM rad" . Given the question was no doubt asked about completed 67 Shelby's it gives a incomplete picture of how many 67's got radios if both SJ and SA are not considered .
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 03:38:36 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 02:25:49 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 01:14:01 PM
Quote from: shlby66 on April 17, 2020, 04:49:18 PM
I bought my '67 GT350, brand new ( right off the showroom floor ), in May, of 1967, at Rich Ford,
Albuquerque, NM. It was delivered, with the Ford AM radio.
I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM radio.
Doug
Hi Doug,
Only 462 cars are known to have the AM radio installed at San Jose. The remaining did not.
We have this subject detailed in depth on the 67 Shelby research group. Here's a link to this topic.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/shelbyresearch/hYukQMTGYN0
Don't you think you should say something about cars that got radios installed at SA/Highperformance Motors in the same way 66 GT350's typically got radios installed? Otherwise you give a skewed perception of how many left SA with and without radios. ;)
For years all we've been hearing is that most if not all '67 Shelby's received radio's at SJ. We now know that is not true, thanks to the research we're doing in the SRG.
I just wanted to re-inforce that the SVOs, DSOs, POs, & Marti's indicate otherwise.
How many were installed by SAI was not the question, so I didn't feel the need to cover it in my post.
Anyone who wanted to know more detail could refer to the topic posted on the SRG in the link, I posted.
Rich, nether was it asked how many radios were installed at SJ . The quote is "I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM rad" . Given the question was no doubt asked about completed 67 Shelby's it gives a incomplete picture of how many 67's got radios if both SJ and SA are not considered .
Bob, I'm glad you have changed your position and now can see that AM radios were not standard equipment on '67 Shelby's built at San Jose.
It's nice to know you're reading the SRG posts and seeing our continued research.
Yes, I should have mentioned our current guess of about 50% of the cars having radios installed by SAI along with the 462 equipped from SJ.
We do see that SAI installations were typically AM radio only and on rare occasions AM/FM.
These were likely done at [HPM2] Hi-Performance Motors on Sepulveda Blvd, but no paperwork has been found to confirm that.
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 10:14:49 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 03:38:36 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 02:25:49 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 01:14:01 PM
Quote from: shlby66 on April 17, 2020, 04:49:18 PM
I bought my '67 GT350, brand new ( right off the showroom floor ), in May, of 1967, at Rich Ford,
Albuquerque, NM. It was delivered, with the Ford AM radio.
I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM radio.
Doug
Hi Doug,
Only 462 cars are known to have the AM radio installed at San Jose. The remaining did not.
We have this subject detailed in depth on the 67 Shelby research group. Here's a link to this topic.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/shelbyresearch/hYukQMTGYN0
Don't you think you should say something about cars that got radios installed at SA/Highperformance Motors in the same way 66 GT350's typically got radios installed? Otherwise you give a skewed perception of how many left SA with and without radios. ;)
For years all we've been hearing is that most if not all '67 Shelby's received radio's at SJ. We now know that is not true, thanks to the research we're doing in the SRG.
I just wanted to re-inforce that the SVOs, DSOs, POs, & Marti's indicate otherwise.
How many were installed by SAI was not the question, so I didn't feel the need to cover it in my post.
Anyone who wanted to know more detail could refer to the topic posted on the SRG in the link, I posted.
Rich, nether was it asked how many radios were installed at SJ . The quote is "I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM rad" . Given the question was no doubt asked about completed 67 Shelby's it gives a incomplete picture of how many 67's got radios if both SJ and SA are not considered .
Bob, I'm glad you have changed your position and now can see that AM radios were not standard equipment on '67 Shelby's built at San Jose.
It's nice to know you're reading the SRG posts and seeing our continued research.
Yes, I should have mentioned our current guess of about 50% of the cars having radios installed by SAI along with the 462 equipped from SJ.
We do see that SAI installations were typically AM radio only and on rare occasions AM/FM.
These were likely done at [HPM2] Hi-Performance Motors on Sepulveda Blvd, but no paperwork has been found to confirm that.
I will always change my position in light of a preponderance of credible facts. I have done it before and will most likely do it again. Speaking for myself the truth is what it is all about after all. I started looking at SRG posts today after seeing the posted link. I only got in a few pages however until I came upon some snarky remarks Brian Styles made toward me which has in the past discourage me from participating . I was disappointed to see things have not changed there given the dates on the posts. I decided to stop and take up more reading another day.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 11:32:04 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 10:14:49 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 03:38:36 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 02:25:49 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 01:14:01 PM
Quote from: shlby66 on April 17, 2020, 04:49:18 PM
I bought my '67 GT350, brand new ( right off the showroom floor ), in May, of 1967, at Rich Ford,
Albuquerque, NM. It was delivered, with the Ford AM radio.
I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM radio.
Doug
Hi Doug,
Only 462 cars are known to have the AM radio installed at San Jose. The remaining did not.
We have this subject detailed in depth on the 67 Shelby research group. Here's a link to this topic.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/shelbyresearch/hYukQMTGYN0
Don't you think you should say something about cars that got radios installed at SA/Highperformance Motors in the same way 66 GT350's typically got radios installed? Otherwise you give a skewed perception of how many left SA with and without radios. ;)
For years all we've been hearing is that most if not all '67 Shelby's received radio's at SJ. We now know that is not true, thanks to the research we're doing in the SRG.
I just wanted to re-inforce that the SVOs, DSOs, POs, & Marti's indicate otherwise.
How many were installed by SAI was not the question, so I didn't feel the need to cover it in my post.
Anyone who wanted to know more detail could refer to the topic posted on the SRG in the link, I posted.
Rich, nether was it asked how many radios were installed at SJ . The quote is "I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM rad" . Given the question was no doubt asked about completed 67 Shelby's it gives a incomplete picture of how many 67's got radios if both SJ and SA are not considered .
Bob, I'm glad you have changed your position and now can see that AM radios were not standard equipment on '67 Shelby's built at San Jose.
It's nice to know you're reading the SRG posts and seeing our continued research.
Yes, I should have mentioned our current guess of about 50% of the cars having radios installed by SAI along with the 462 equipped from SJ.
We do see that SAI installations were typically AM radio only and on rare occasions AM/FM.
These were likely done at [HPM2] Hi-Performance Motors on Sepulveda Blvd, but no paperwork has been found to confirm that.
I will always change my position in light of a preponderance of credible facts. I have done it before and will most likely do it again. Speaking for myself the truth is what it is all about after all. I started looking at SRG posts today after seeing the posted link. I only got in a few pages however until I came upon some snarky remarks Brian Styles made toward me which has in the past discourage me from participating . I was disappointed to see things have not changed there given the dates on the posts. I decided to stop and take up more reading another day.
Every time you comment negatively about the #0139 convertible, Brian is going to react in the same manner. Case in point is the recent Little Red Nose Ring post of reply #23.
When a question was asked about the planned production of the 67 ½ coupes and convertibles you turned that into a post about his specific 1 of 1 '67 convertible.
I'm not saying you're not entitled to voice your opinion, but you do realize your negative actions will invoke the same re-actions, right?
Brian is a very enthusiastic fan of the mark. His logical thinking and methodical approach to researching all of the unanswered questions is very passionate and appreciated by many.
I know you are passionate about the marquee as well, for all that you do, as am I.
Everyone involved in the SRG group puts a great deal of effort into it, freely sharing any findings. The hunt continues for the truth.
We all want answers to the why, where, and when of the continuous changes that occurred 50 years ago.
I don't like to get involved in the personnel issues between others, but I will say he has presented a string of evidence, both NEW and old.
I see as proof #0139 was in fact completed with '67 styling /fiberglass.
Some additional info.
As I mentioned I just received a copy of the 67 GT350/500
production order for my car and there are 2 boxes checked.
1) Shelby wheels ( I don't know which ones) Has 10 spokes
2) radio (does not specify which one, sounds like it would have been AM)
Being the production order I don't know if this determined where it was installed.
Quote from: Richstang on June 25, 2020, 09:47:04 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 11:32:04 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 10:14:49 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 03:38:36 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 02:25:49 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 01:14:01 PM
Quote from: shlby66 on April 17, 2020, 04:49:18 PM
I bought my '67 GT350, brand new ( right off the showroom floor ), in May, of 1967, at Rich Ford,
Albuquerque, NM. It was delivered, with the Ford AM radio.
I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM radio.
Doug
Hi Doug,
Only 462 cars are known to have the AM radio installed at San Jose. The remaining did not.
We have this subject detailed in depth on the 67 Shelby research group. Here's a link to this topic.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/shelbyresearch/hYukQMTGYN0
Don't you think you should say something about cars that got radios installed at SA/Highperformance Motors in the same way 66 GT350's typically got radios installed? Otherwise you give a skewed perception of how many left SA with and without radios. ;)
For years all we've been hearing is that most if not all '67 Shelby's received radio's at SJ. We now know that is not true, thanks to the research we're doing in the SRG.
I just wanted to re-inforce that the SVOs, DSOs, POs, & Marti's indicate otherwise.
How many were installed by SAI was not the question, so I didn't feel the need to cover it in my post.
Anyone who wanted to know more detail could refer to the topic posted on the SRG in the link, I posted.
Rich, nether was it asked how many radios were installed at SJ . The quote is "I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM rad" . Given the question was no doubt asked about completed 67 Shelby's it gives a incomplete picture of how many 67's got radios if both SJ and SA are not considered .
Bob, I'm glad you have changed your position and now can see that AM radios were not standard equipment on '67 Shelby's built at San Jose.
It's nice to know you're reading the SRG posts and seeing our continued research.
Yes, I should have mentioned our current guess of about 50% of the cars having radios installed by SAI along with the 462 equipped from SJ.
We do see that SAI installations were typically AM radio only and on rare occasions AM/FM.
These were likely done at [HPM2] Hi-Performance Motors on Sepulveda Blvd, but no paperwork has been found to confirm that.
I will always change my position in light of a preponderance of credible facts. I have done it before and will most likely do it again. Speaking for myself the truth is what it is all about after all. I started looking at SRG posts today after seeing the posted link. I only got in a few pages however until I came upon some snarky remarks Brian Styles made toward me which has in the past discourage me from participating . I was disappointed to see things have not changed there given the dates on the posts. I decided to stop and take up more reading another day.
Every time you comment negatively about the #0139 convertible, Brian is going to react in the same manner. Case in point is the recent Little Red Nose Ring post of reply #23.
When a question was asked about the planned production of the 67 ½ coupes and convertibles you turned that into a post about his specific 1 of 1 '67 convertible.
I'm not saying you're not entitled to voice your opinion, but you do realize your negative actions will invoke the same re-actions, right?
Brian is a very enthusiastic fan of the mark. His logical thinking and methodical approach to researching all of the unanswered questions is very passionate and appreciated by many.
I know you are passionate about the marquee as well, for all that you do, as am I.
Everyone involved in the SRG group puts a great deal of effort into it, freely sharing any findings. The hunt continues for the truth.
We all want answers to the why, where, and when of the continuous changes that occurred 50 years ago.
I don't like to get involved in the personnel issues between others, but I will say he has presented a string of evidence, both NEW and old.
I see as proof #0139 was in fact completed with '67 styling /fiberglass.
I don't participate in the SRG because if I voice a opinion contrary to the narrative rather then discussion there are out of context and snarky comments drama. You have proven my point with this drama. No thank you.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 25, 2020, 10:49:15 AM
Quote from: Richstang on June 25, 2020, 09:47:04 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 11:32:04 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 10:14:49 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 03:38:36 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 02:25:49 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 01:14:01 PM
Quote from: shlby66 on April 17, 2020, 04:49:18 PM
I bought my '67 GT350, brand new ( right off the showroom floor ), in May, of 1967, at Rich Ford,
Albuquerque, NM. It was delivered, with the Ford AM radio.
I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM radio.
Doug
Hi Doug,
Only 462 cars are known to have the AM radio installed at San Jose. The remaining did not.
We have this subject detailed in depth on the 67 Shelby research group. Here's a link to this topic.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/shelbyresearch/hYukQMTGYN0
Don't you think you should say something about cars that got radios installed at SA/Highperformance Motors in the same way 66 GT350's typically got radios installed? Otherwise you give a skewed perception of how many left SA with and without radios. ;)
For years all we've been hearing is that most if not all '67 Shelby's received radio's at SJ. We now know that is not true, thanks to the research we're doing in the SRG.
I just wanted to re-inforce that the SVOs, DSOs, POs, & Marti's indicate otherwise.
How many were installed by SAI was not the question, so I didn't feel the need to cover it in my post.
Anyone who wanted to know more detail could refer to the topic posted on the SRG in the link, I posted.
Rich, nether was it asked how many radios were installed at SJ . The quote is "I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM rad" . Given the question was no doubt asked about completed 67 Shelby's it gives a incomplete picture of how many 67's got radios if both SJ and SA are not considered .
Bob, I'm glad you have changed your position and now can see that AM radios were not standard equipment on '67 Shelby's built at San Jose.
It's nice to know you're reading the SRG posts and seeing our continued research.
Yes, I should have mentioned our current guess of about 50% of the cars having radios installed by SAI along with the 462 equipped from SJ.
We do see that SAI installations were typically AM radio only and on rare occasions AM/FM.
These were likely done at [HPM2] Hi-Performance Motors on Sepulveda Blvd, but no paperwork has been found to confirm that.
I will always change my position in light of a preponderance of credible facts. I have done it before and will most likely do it again. Speaking for myself the truth is what it is all about after all. I started looking at SRG posts today after seeing the posted link. I only got in a few pages however until I came upon some snarky remarks Brian Styles made toward me which has in the past discourage me from participating . I was disappointed to see things have not changed there given the dates on the posts. I decided to stop and take up more reading another day.
Every time you comment negatively about the #0139 convertible, Brian is going to react in the same manner. Case in point is the recent Little Red Nose Ring post of reply #23.
When a question was asked about the planned production of the 67 ½ coupes and convertibles you turned that into a post about his specific 1 of 1 '67 convertible.
I'm not saying you're not entitled to voice your opinion, but you do realize your negative actions will invoke the same re-actions, right?
Brian is a very enthusiastic fan of the mark. His logical thinking and methodical approach to researching all of the unanswered questions is very passionate and appreciated by many.
I know you are passionate about the marquee as well, for all that you do, as am I.
Everyone involved in the SRG group puts a great deal of effort into it, freely sharing any findings. The hunt continues for the truth.
We all want answers to the why, where, and when of the continuous changes that occurred 50 years ago.
I don't like to get involved in the personnel issues between others, but I will say he has presented a string of evidence, both NEW and old.
I see as proof #0139 was in fact completed with '67 styling /fiberglass.
I don't participate in the SRG because if I voice a opinion contrary to the narrative rather then discussion there are out of context and snarky comments drama. You have proven my point with this drama. No thank you.
Bob, there is NO drama on the SRG.
We certainly welcome discussions based on facts, or questions for any topic. That is how we all benefit with knowledge.
I don't know what topics you saw the 'snarky' comments in, but the focus is on the subject matter, the '67 Shelby.
Please don't knock the site for comments that you may not agree with.
Quote from: Richstang on June 25, 2020, 11:53:48 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 25, 2020, 10:49:15 AM
Quote from: Richstang on June 25, 2020, 09:47:04 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 11:32:04 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 10:14:49 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 03:38:36 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 02:25:49 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 01:14:01 PM
Quote from: shlby66 on April 17, 2020, 04:49:18 PM
I bought my '67 GT350, brand new ( right off the showroom floor ), in May, of 1967, at Rich Ford,
Albuquerque, NM. It was delivered, with the Ford AM radio.
I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM radio.
Doug
Hi Doug,
Only 462 cars are known to have the AM radio installed at San Jose. The remaining did not.
We have this subject detailed in depth on the 67 Shelby research group. Here's a link to this topic.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/shelbyresearch/hYukQMTGYN0
Don't you think you should say something about cars that got radios installed at SA/Highperformance Motors in the same way 66 GT350's typically got radios installed? Otherwise you give a skewed perception of how many left SA with and without radios. ;)
For years all we've been hearing is that most if not all '67 Shelby's received radio's at SJ. We now know that is not true, thanks to the research we're doing in the SRG.
I just wanted to re-inforce that the SVOs, DSOs, POs, & Marti's indicate otherwise.
How many were installed by SAI was not the question, so I didn't feel the need to cover it in my post.
Anyone who wanted to know more detail could refer to the topic posted on the SRG in the link, I posted.
Rich, nether was it asked how many radios were installed at SJ . The quote is "I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM rad" . Given the question was no doubt asked about completed 67 Shelby's it gives a incomplete picture of how many 67's got radios if both SJ and SA are not considered .
Bob, I'm glad you have changed your position and now can see that AM radios were not standard equipment on '67 Shelby's built at San Jose.
It's nice to know you're reading the SRG posts and seeing our continued research.
Yes, I should have mentioned our current guess of about 50% of the cars having radios installed by SAI along with the 462 equipped from SJ.
We do see that SAI installations were typically AM radio only and on rare occasions AM/FM.
These were likely done at [HPM2] Hi-Performance Motors on Sepulveda Blvd, but no paperwork has been found to confirm that.
I will always change my position in light of a preponderance of credible facts. I have done it before and will most likely do it again. Speaking for myself the truth is what it is all about after all. I started looking at SRG posts today after seeing the posted link. I only got in a few pages however until I came upon some snarky remarks Brian Styles made toward me which has in the past discourage me from participating . I was disappointed to see things have not changed there given the dates on the posts. I decided to stop and take up more reading another day.
Every time you comment negatively about the #0139 convertible, Brian is going to react in the same manner. Case in point is the recent Little Red Nose Ring post of reply #23.
When a question was asked about the planned production of the 67 ½ coupes and convertibles you turned that into a post about his specific 1 of 1 '67 convertible.
I'm not saying you're not entitled to voice your opinion, but you do realize your negative actions will invoke the same re-actions, right?
Brian is a very enthusiastic fan of the mark. His logical thinking and methodical approach to researching all of the unanswered questions is very passionate and appreciated by many.
I know you are passionate about the marquee as well, for all that you do, as am I.
Everyone involved in the SRG group puts a great deal of effort into it, freely sharing any findings. The hunt continues for the truth.
We all want answers to the why, where, and when of the continuous changes that occurred 50 years ago.
I don't like to get involved in the personnel issues between others, but I will say he has presented a string of evidence, both NEW and old.
I see as proof #0139 was in fact completed with '67 styling /fiberglass.
I don't participate in the SRG because if I voice a opinion contrary to the narrative rather then discussion there are out of context and snarky comments drama. You have proven my point with this drama. No thank you.
Bob, there is NO drama on the SRG.
We certainly welcome discussions based on facts, or questions for any topic. That is how we all benefit with knowledge.
I don't know what topics you saw the 'snarky' comments in, but the focus is on the subject matter, the '67 Shelby.
Please don't knock the site for comments that you may not agree with.
I think doth protest too much, methinks. ;)
Brian is a very enthusiastic fan of the mark. His logical thinking and methodical approach to researching all of the unanswered questions is very passionate and appreciated by many.
True
Everyone involved in the SRG group puts a great deal of effort into it, freely sharing any findings. The hunt continues for the truth.
True
We all want answers to the why, where, and when of the continuous changes that occurred 50 years ago.
True
I don't like to get involved in the personnel issues between others, but I will say he has presented a string of evidence, both NEW and old.
I see as proof #0139 was in fact completed with '67 styling /fiberglass.
Of course this is the 1 of 1 and only 1967 Shelby unicorn convertible
-------------------------------------
Lastly on this topic, your car more than likely came with an AM radio
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 25, 2020, 01:16:58 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 25, 2020, 11:53:48 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 25, 2020, 10:49:15 AM
Quote from: Richstang on June 25, 2020, 09:47:04 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 11:32:04 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 10:14:49 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 03:38:36 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 02:25:49 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 01:14:01 PM
Quote from: shlby66 on April 17, 2020, 04:49:18 PM
I bought my '67 GT350, brand new ( right off the showroom floor ), in May, of 1967, at Rich Ford,
Albuquerque, NM. It was delivered, with the Ford AM radio.
I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM radio.
Doug
Hi Doug,
Only 462 cars are known to have the AM radio installed at San Jose. The remaining did not.
We have this subject detailed in depth on the 67 Shelby research group. Here's a link to this topic.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/shelbyresearch/hYukQMTGYN0
Don't you think you should say something about cars that got radios installed at SA/Highperformance Motors in the same way 66 GT350's typically got radios installed? Otherwise you give a skewed perception of how many left SA with and without radios. ;)
For years all we've been hearing is that most if not all '67 Shelby's received radio's at SJ. We now know that is not true, thanks to the research we're doing in the SRG.
I just wanted to re-inforce that the SVOs, DSOs, POs, & Marti's indicate otherwise.
How many were installed by SAI was not the question, so I didn't feel the need to cover it in my post.
Anyone who wanted to know more detail could refer to the topic posted on the SRG in the link, I posted.
Rich, nether was it asked how many radios were installed at SJ . The quote is "I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM rad" . Given the question was no doubt asked about completed 67 Shelby's it gives a incomplete picture of how many 67's got radios if both SJ and SA are not considered .
Bob, I'm glad you have changed your position and now can see that AM radios were not standard equipment on '67 Shelby's built at San Jose.
It's nice to know you're reading the SRG posts and seeing our continued research.
Yes, I should have mentioned our current guess of about 50% of the cars having radios installed by SAI along with the 462 equipped from SJ.
We do see that SAI installations were typically AM radio only and on rare occasions AM/FM.
These were likely done at [HPM2] Hi-Performance Motors on Sepulveda Blvd, but no paperwork has been found to confirm that.
I will always change my position in light of a preponderance of credible facts. I have done it before and will most likely do it again. Speaking for myself the truth is what it is all about after all. I started looking at SRG posts today after seeing the posted link. I only got in a few pages however until I came upon some snarky remarks Brian Styles made toward me which has in the past discourage me from participating . I was disappointed to see things have not changed there given the dates on the posts. I decided to stop and take up more reading another day.
Every time you comment negatively about the #0139 convertible, Brian is going to react in the same manner. Case in point is the recent Little Red Nose Ring post of reply #23.
When a question was asked about the planned production of the 67 ½ coupes and convertibles you turned that into a post about his specific 1 of 1 '67 convertible.
I'm not saying you're not entitled to voice your opinion, but you do realize your negative actions will invoke the same re-actions, right?
Brian is a very enthusiastic fan of the mark. His logical thinking and methodical approach to researching all of the unanswered questions is very passionate and appreciated by many.
I know you are passionate about the marquee as well, for all that you do, as am I.
Everyone involved in the SRG group puts a great deal of effort into it, freely sharing any findings. The hunt continues for the truth.
We all want answers to the why, where, and when of the continuous changes that occurred 50 years ago.
I don't like to get involved in the personnel issues between others, but I will say he has presented a string of evidence, both NEW and old.
I see as proof #0139 was in fact completed with '67 styling /fiberglass.
I don't participate in the SRG because if I voice a opinion contrary to the narrative rather then discussion there are out of context and snarky comments drama. You have proven my point with this drama. No thank you.
Bob, there is NO drama on the SRG.
We certainly welcome discussions based on facts, or questions for any topic. That is how we all benefit with knowledge.
I don't know what topics you saw the 'snarky' comments in, but the focus is on the subject matter, the '67 Shelby.
Please don't knock the site for comments that you may not agree with.
I think doth protest too much, methinks. ;)
Huh?
Well, I had to look around, on the SRG, for what offended you as a 'snarky' comment. It took a little while searching, but I think this is it.
I can only guess this was one of the the smoking gun pieces of evidence from the '67 convertible's original core support photo he posted.
Having the '67 Shelby mounting holes for the outboard grille lights has to be the reason why he wrote what he did.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/shelbyresearch/V3W278gBOWs/hlQyS81gBgAJ
Quote from: Richstang on June 25, 2020, 10:26:57 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 25, 2020, 01:16:58 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 25, 2020, 11:53:48 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 25, 2020, 10:49:15 AM
Quote from: Richstang on June 25, 2020, 09:47:04 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 11:32:04 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 10:14:49 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 03:38:36 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 02:25:49 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 01:14:01 PM
Quote from: shlby66 on April 17, 2020, 04:49:18 PM
I bought my '67 GT350, brand new ( right off the showroom floor ), in May, of 1967, at Rich Ford,
Albuquerque, NM. It was delivered, with the Ford AM radio.
I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM radio.
Doug
Hi Doug,
Only 462 cars are known to have the AM radio installed at San Jose. The remaining did not.
We have this subject detailed in depth on the 67 Shelby research group. Here's a link to this topic.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/shelbyresearch/hYukQMTGYN0
Don't you think you should say something about cars that got radios installed at SA/Highperformance Motors in the same way 66 GT350's typically got radios installed? Otherwise you give a skewed perception of how many left SA with and without radios. ;)
For years all we've been hearing is that most if not all '67 Shelby's received radio's at SJ. We now know that is not true, thanks to the research we're doing in the SRG.
I just wanted to re-inforce that the SVOs, DSOs, POs, & Marti's indicate otherwise.
How many were installed by SAI was not the question, so I didn't feel the need to cover it in my post.
Anyone who wanted to know more detail could refer to the topic posted on the SRG in the link, I posted.
Rich, nether was it asked how many radios were installed at SJ . The quote is "I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM rad" . Given the question was no doubt asked about completed 67 Shelby's it gives a incomplete picture of how many 67's got radios if both SJ and SA are not considered .
Bob, I'm glad you have changed your position and now can see that AM radios were not standard equipment on '67 Shelby's built at San Jose.
It's nice to know you're reading the SRG posts and seeing our continued research.
Yes, I should have mentioned our current guess of about 50% of the cars having radios installed by SAI along with the 462 equipped from SJ.
We do see that SAI installations were typically AM radio only and on rare occasions AM/FM.
These were likely done at [HPM2] Hi-Performance Motors on Sepulveda Blvd, but no paperwork has been found to confirm that.
I will always change my position in light of a preponderance of credible facts. I have done it before and will most likely do it again. Speaking for myself the truth is what it is all about after all. I started looking at SRG posts today after seeing the posted link. I only got in a few pages however until I came upon some snarky remarks Brian Styles made toward me which has in the past discourage me from participating . I was disappointed to see things have not changed there given the dates on the posts. I decided to stop and take up more reading another day.
Every time you comment negatively about the #0139 convertible, Brian is going to react in the same manner. Case in point is the recent Little Red Nose Ring post of reply #23.
When a question was asked about the planned production of the 67 ½ coupes and convertibles you turned that into a post about his specific 1 of 1 '67 convertible.
I'm not saying you're not entitled to voice your opinion, but you do realize your negative actions will invoke the same re-actions, right?
Brian is a very enthusiastic fan of the mark. His logical thinking and methodical approach to researching all of the unanswered questions is very passionate and appreciated by many.
I know you are passionate about the marquee as well, for all that you do, as am I.
Everyone involved in the SRG group puts a great deal of effort into it, freely sharing any findings. The hunt continues for the truth.
We all want answers to the why, where, and when of the continuous changes that occurred 50 years ago.
I don't like to get involved in the personnel issues between others, but I will say he has presented a string of evidence, both NEW and old.
I see as proof #0139 was in fact completed with '67 styling /fiberglass.
I don't participate in the SRG because if I voice a opinion contrary to the narrative rather then discussion there are out of context and snarky comments drama. You have proven my point with this drama. No thank you.
Bob, there is NO drama on the SRG.
We certainly welcome discussions based on facts, or questions for any topic. That is how we all benefit with knowledge.
I don't know what topics you saw the 'snarky' comments in, but the focus is on the subject matter, the '67 Shelby.
Please don't knock the site for comments that you may not agree with.
I think doth protest too much, methinks. ;)
Huh?
Well, I had to look around, on the SRG, for what offended you as a 'snarky' comment. It took a little while searching, but I think this is it.
I can only guess this was one of the the smoking gun pieces of evidence from the '67 convertible's original core support photo he posted.
Having the '67 Shelby mounting holes for the outboard grille lights has to be the reason why he wrote what he did.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/shelbyresearch/V3W278gBOWs/hlQyS81gBgAJ
Rich , radiator supports are put together with spot welds not plug welds like the picture shows. The plug welds on the radiator support in the picture indicate that the radiator support had been monkeyed with. Consequently it is not a good idea to use the compromised radiator support in the car as any historical yardstick. So Brian snarky comment had no basis in fact and was purely meant to be malicious. He thought it supported his narrative and lashed out. You show your bias too for all to see by your continued beating of a dead horse. This all started because you were embarrassed by me outing you for not including important facts on the radio install issue . I tried to do it in a non confrontational way by suggesting you include the missing info ." Don't you think you should say something about cars that got radios installed at SA/Highperformance Motors in the same way 66 GT350's typically got radios installed?" You wouldn't leave well enough alone. You have changed the subject to Brian and the 139 car to take attention away from your mistake. It is time to stop beating this dead horse.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 25, 2020, 11:37:25 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 25, 2020, 10:26:57 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 25, 2020, 01:16:58 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 25, 2020, 11:53:48 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 25, 2020, 10:49:15 AM
Quote from: Richstang on June 25, 2020, 09:47:04 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 11:32:04 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 10:14:49 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 03:38:36 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 24, 2020, 02:25:49 PM
Quote from: Richstang on June 24, 2020, 01:14:01 PM
Quote from: shlby66 on April 17, 2020, 04:49:18 PM
I bought my '67 GT350, brand new ( right off the showroom floor ), in May, of 1967, at Rich Ford,
Albuquerque, NM. It was delivered, with the Ford AM radio.
I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM radio.
Doug
Hi Doug,
Only 462 cars are known to have the AM radio installed at San Jose. The remaining did not.
We have this subject detailed in depth on the 67 Shelby research group. Here's a link to this topic.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/shelbyresearch/hYukQMTGYN0
Don't you think you should say something about cars that got radios installed at SA/Highperformance Motors in the same way 66 GT350's typically got radios installed? Otherwise you give a skewed perception of how many left SA with and without radios. ;)
For years all we've been hearing is that most if not all '67 Shelby's received radio's at SJ. We now know that is not true, thanks to the research we're doing in the SRG.
I just wanted to re-inforce that the SVOs, DSOs, POs, & Marti's indicate otherwise.
How many were installed by SAI was not the question, so I didn't feel the need to cover it in my post.
Anyone who wanted to know more detail could refer to the topic posted on the SRG in the link, I posted.
Rich, nether was it asked how many radios were installed at SJ . The quote is "I think most, if not all, '67's, got the AM rad" . Given the question was no doubt asked about completed 67 Shelby's it gives a incomplete picture of how many 67's got radios if both SJ and SA are not considered .
Bob, I'm glad you have changed your position and now can see that AM radios were not standard equipment on '67 Shelby's built at San Jose.
It's nice to know you're reading the SRG posts and seeing our continued research.
Yes, I should have mentioned our current guess of about 50% of the cars having radios installed by SAI along with the 462 equipped from SJ.
We do see that SAI installations were typically AM radio only and on rare occasions AM/FM.
These were likely done at [HPM2] Hi-Performance Motors on Sepulveda Blvd, but no paperwork has been found to confirm that.
I will always change my position in light of a preponderance of credible facts. I have done it before and will most likely do it again. Speaking for myself the truth is what it is all about after all. I started looking at SRG posts today after seeing the posted link. I only got in a few pages however until I came upon some snarky remarks Brian Styles made toward me which has in the past discourage me from participating . I was disappointed to see things have not changed there given the dates on the posts. I decided to stop and take up more reading another day.
Every time you comment negatively about the #0139 convertible, Brian is going to react in the same manner. Case in point is the recent Little Red Nose Ring post of reply #23.
When a question was asked about the planned production of the 67 ½ coupes and convertibles you turned that into a post about his specific 1 of 1 '67 convertible.
I'm not saying you're not entitled to voice your opinion, but you do realize your negative actions will invoke the same re-actions, right?
Brian is a very enthusiastic fan of the mark. His logical thinking and methodical approach to researching all of the unanswered questions is very passionate and appreciated by many.
I know you are passionate about the marquee as well, for all that you do, as am I.
Everyone involved in the SRG group puts a great deal of effort into it, freely sharing any findings. The hunt continues for the truth.
We all want answers to the why, where, and when of the continuous changes that occurred 50 years ago.
I don't like to get involved in the personnel issues between others, but I will say he has presented a string of evidence, both NEW and old.
I see as proof #0139 was in fact completed with '67 styling /fiberglass.
I don't participate in the SRG because if I voice a opinion contrary to the narrative rather then discussion there are out of context and snarky comments drama. You have proven my point with this drama. No thank you.
Bob, there is NO drama on the SRG.
We certainly welcome discussions based on facts, or questions for any topic. That is how we all benefit with knowledge.
I don't know what topics you saw the 'snarky' comments in, but the focus is on the subject matter, the '67 Shelby.
Please don't knock the site for comments that you may not agree with.
I think doth protest too much, methinks. ;)
Huh?
Well, I had to look around, on the SRG, for what offended you as a 'snarky' comment. It took a little while searching, but I think this is it.
I can only guess this was one of the the smoking gun pieces of evidence from the '67 convertible's original core support photo he posted.
Having the '67 Shelby mounting holes for the outboard grille lights has to be the reason why he wrote what he did.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/shelbyresearch/V3W278gBOWs/hlQyS81gBgAJ
Rich , radiator supports are put together with spot welds not plug welds like the picture shows. The plug welds on the radiator support in the picture indicate that the radiator support had been monkeyed with. Consequently it is not a good idea to use the compromised radiator support in the car as any historical yardstick. So Brian snarky comment had no basis in fact and was purely meant to be malicious. He thought it supported his narrative and lashed out. You show your bias too for all to see by your continued beating of a dead horse. This all started because you were embarrassed by me outing you for not including important facts on the radio install issue . I tried to do it in a non confrontational way by suggesting you include the missing info ." Don't you think you should say something about cars that got radios installed at SA/Highperformance Motors in the same way 66 GT350's typically got radios installed?" You wouldn't leave well enough alone. You have changed the subject to Brian and the 139 car to take attention away from your mistake. It is time to stop beating this dead horse.
I'm only going to address the radio topic in this particular reply.
Your recent and previous position was that "99%+ of radios were installed by Ford [San Jose]"
Your updated position now accepts the number we posted on the SRG on 2/2019 that approximately 462 radios were installed at Ford SJ. (That's 2763 units without a radio from SJ.)
However, it appears you still believe that when AM radios were added by SAI, that the actual installation work was done at Hi-Performance Motors (HPM = Carroll Shelby's retail dealer at the offsite location) rather than at LAX.
Here's we differ on our theories.
I can't speak to earlier years ('65-'66), but I believe the quantity of added radio units in 1967 is just too large for them to be outsourced to HPM.
After giving this further thought, which I attribute to you putting in front of me, I strongly disagree that it was SOP for SAI to send out Shelby units to HPM for AM radio installation. While a small number of radios may have been installed by HPM (likely because the unit was being retailed by HPM or because the radio was non-standard, such as an AM-FM), the vast majority of AM radios had to be installed by SAI at LAX. This is why we don't see invoices to HPM noting the charges in 1967. Just like SAI swapped wheels, we see an indication of added radios on the Production Orders. Wheels and radios were basically the only two options being changed by SAI at LAX (compared to how cars arrived from Ford SJ). This was done as-needed on the cars to fulfill dealer-specific orders. Without having all of the Production Orders to review, we are not going to get an exact number of cars that had radios added by SAI without guessing. This is all explained in the SRG radio post.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/shelbyresearch/hYukQMTGYN0/09SGJfe9CgAJ
We all know radios are fairly simple installations. We also know the antennas were not installed by Ford or SAI, to avoid damage in shipping. Do you really think that approximately 1600 cars were individually driven to HPM just to get a radio installed, then driven back to LAX to be parked in the finished inventory lot? Logistically, that makes absolutely no sense. I had to be done at LAX.
FYI,
This was not Carroll Shelby & Lew Spencer's HPM dealer.
That was (HPM1) located on 1150 N. La Brea Ave. and closed in 1965.
The HPM we're referring to (opened in late 1965 and onward (HPM2) was located at 901 Sepulveda Blvd, El Segundo, CA.
That was just Carroll Shelby's HPM. I'm assuming you know the correct location but may have misunderstood the correct names.
I am not going to quibble about how recent or not a particular position I had was .Who cares,I don't. The one that matters is the current one. I don't think I ever said anything suggesting SA installed radio antennas like you imply because I have known for decades it was a dealer prep job. If SA installed the radios or had it contracted out like they did in 65 /66 Shelby production would be good to know for sure. Quite a few were installed in 65 and 66 cars and SA did not have a problem getting them to and from. The fact of the matter is that radios got installed other then just SJ. Regardless of who did it SJ,SA or outside contractor only mentioning one without the other gives a false perspective of what happened and how many got them. Now I respectfully suggest we stop beating this dead horse .
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 26, 2020, 07:50:42 PM
I am not going to quibble about how recent or not a particular position I had was .Who cares,I don't. The one that matters is the current one. I don't think I ever said anything suggesting SA installed radio antennas like you imply because I have known for decades it was a dealer prep job. If SA installed the radios or had it contracted out like they did in 65 /66 Shelby production would be good to know for sure. Quite a few were installed in 65 and 66 cars and SA did not have a problem getting them to and from. The fact of the matter is that radios got installed other then just SJ. Regardless of who did it SJ,SA or outside contractor only mentioning one without the other gives a false perspective of what happened and how many got them. Now I respectfully suggest we stop beating this dead horse .
Bob,
For most people here, it wouldn't matter if and/or when they changed their position. However, I believe it actually does matter when a "concours judge" changes his position. Any change in position is usually important, especially to car owners who've previously had their cars judged based on your prior, different position. In my opinion, a change in position should be celebrated, not quietly mentioned so deep into a topic.
Ultimately what matters is that you did change your position. Shelby owners are better off because of it, and that is the purpose of these and other forum discussions.
I would suggest, that if you'd like to discuss further, the radio antennas and/or the original spot welds visible on the right of #0139's core support, that dedicated new topics are started.
Quote from: Richstang on June 27, 2020, 04:51:04 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 26, 2020, 07:50:42 PM
I am not going to quibble about how recent or not a particular position I had was .Who cares,I don't. The one that matters is the current one. I don't think I ever said anything suggesting SA installed radio antennas like you imply because I have known for decades it was a dealer prep job. If SA installed the radios or had it contracted out like they did in 65 /66 Shelby production would be good to know for sure. Quite a few were installed in 65 and 66 cars and SA did not have a problem getting them to and from. The fact of the matter is that radios got installed other then just SJ. Regardless of who did it SJ,SA or outside contractor only mentioning one without the other gives a false perspective of what happened and how many got them. Now I respectfully suggest we stop beating this dead horse .
Bob,
For most people here, it wouldn't matter if and/or when they changed their position. However, I believe it actually does matter when a "concours judge" changes his position. Any change in position is usually important, especially to car owners who've previously had their cars judged based on your prior, different position. In my opinion, a change in position should be celebrated, not quietly mentioned so deep into a topic.
Ultimately what matters is that you did change your position. Shelby owners are better off because of it, and that is the purpose of these and other forum discussions.
I would suggest, that if you'd like to discuss further, the radio antennas and/or the original spot welds visible on the right of #0139's core support, that dedicated new topics are started.
Rich , just give it a rest . Geez