https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-shelby-gt500-5/
Highly unusual that a 67 Shelby that late in production would have factory inboard lights.
It's also interesting to see an early style steering wheel (the smaller boots) as well.
Lots of photos, very "revealing" seller. (Interesting manual choke on a GT500 and a few other things)
Quote from: JD on April 23, 2020, 12:51:40 PM
Lots of photos, very revealing seller. (Interesting manual choke on a GT500)
Might be because he posted a fair number from an visit done on the car earlier plus ones he took in responses to request at that time. ;)
Seller was pretty forthcoming with what they did know IMHO
I had a slightly earlier car that had inboard lights. Factory.
I saw quite a few in the '70s that were changed over by previous owners. So many that I'm always skeptical of an inboard car.
I'm shocked, no heads have exploded yet over the "Caution Fan" sticker.
Quote from: tesgt350 on April 23, 2020, 03:55:56 PM
I'm shocked, no heads have exploded yet over the "Caution Fan" sticker.
Not shocked but par for the course . ;)
Wonder, if they will replace, the clutch pedal, rubber pad. Looks kind of ugly ::)
Quote from: shlby66 on April 23, 2020, 06:45:34 PM
Wonder, if they will replace, the clutch pedal, rubber pad. Looks kind of ugly ::)
Sure the next owner will make their choices as each of us does. But as we're reminded here all the time not everyone is looking for a pretty or perfect car. :) Not sure if it is currently there or not but it appears from the pictures it was not there when the pictures were taken in the front yard and then there in the later pictures taken in the back yard
Couple of pictures from the ad
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-230420193658.jpeg)
Quote from: shlby66 on April 23, 2020, 06:45:34 PM
Wonder, if they will replace, the clutch pedal, rubber pad. Looks kind of ugly ::)
I noticed that too, but it is there in some of the photos but not all.
Looks like a nice driver.
I know things change, but I wonder why a "dream car" is now for sale.
http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=2092.0
Quote from: dabigpud on June 11, 2018, 09:10:10 PM
Good evening Gents,
Thought I would drop a line and say hello. I wanted to take a minute and gush about my new dream car. Finally got a chance to pull the trigger on a '67 Nightmist Blue GT500. I'm generally tech saavy but I'm oddly finding difficulty uploading my photos directly to this post.
I'll include a Google Drive link to the car here instead...
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-CaeGsDSNOHfYOVLE47VylP8GUiDBlOY
I was urged by fellow SAAC member Kasey (Luck3177) to say hello! I look forward to being a regular on here.
Ryan
Orange County, CA
Quote from: 67 GT350 on April 23, 2020, 01:54:59 PM
I had a slightly earlier car that had inboard lights. Factory.
Initially SA tried to send outboard cars to the states requiring them . That was hit and miss as far as shipping to dealers given historical observations. I talked to one of the workers who's job it was to install grills and he confirmed that after the last pallet of inboard grills were used they switched over to outboard grills and headlight components.SA used up inventory as more of a imperative regardless of SA started converting over approximately 800 cars previously .Not being finished in order can explain a few things but that is typically for later items being installed on lower VIN cars and not the reverse. With all of that said which is more likely a PO modification or a later car with a early feature conservatively 500 cars out of sequence ? ;)
Quote from: 67_1183 on April 23, 2020, 08:16:07 PM
Looks like a nice driver.
I know things change, but I wonder why a "dream car" is now for sale.
http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=2092.0
Dang, I'm on my 4th "dream car" and I can't for the life of me sell any of them. After all, they are all my
childern dream cars ;D
QSS
Quote from: Bob Gaines on April 23, 2020, 08:37:55 PM
Quote from: 67 GT350 on April 23, 2020, 01:54:59 PM
I had a slightly earlier car that had inboard lights. Factory.
Initially SA tried to send outboard cars to the states requiring them . That was hit and miss as far as shipping to dealers given historical observations. I talked to one of the workers who's job it was to install grills and he confirmed that after the last pallet of inboard grills were used they switched over to outboard grills and headlight components.SA used up inventory as more of a imperative regardless of SA started converting over approximately 800 cars previously .Not being finished in order can explain a few things but that is typically for later items being installed on lower VIN cars and not the reverse. With all of that said which is more likely a PO modification or a later car with a early feature conservatively 500 cars out of sequence ? ;)
Bob:
I would have to imagine that discovering the individual state laws about headlights, at that point in production, was an "uh-oh" moment for Shelby American.
Given Ford's level of involvement at that time, do we know if it was S-A alone, or Ford, (or some combination of both) that footed the bill for the change over from inboards to outboards?
Quote from: Side-Oilers on April 23, 2020, 11:30:59 PM
Given Ford's level of involvement at that time, do we know if it was S-A alone, or Ford, (or some combination of both) that footed the bill for the change over from inboards to outboards?
Of course they could just choose another vehicle to send with outboards. Handful of stories of dealers just getting what SA sent rather than an exact match to an earlier order. Different/wrong color and such
Quote from: Side-Oilers on April 23, 2020, 11:30:59 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on April 23, 2020, 08:37:55 PM
Quote from: 67 GT350 on April 23, 2020, 01:54:59 PM
I had a slightly earlier car that had inboard lights. Factory.
Initially SA tried to send outboard cars to the states requiring them . That was hit and miss as far as shipping to dealers given historical observations. I talked to one of the workers who's job it was to install grills and he confirmed that after the last pallet of inboard grills were used they switched over to outboard grills and headlight components.SA used up inventory as more of a imperative regardless of SA started converting over approximately 800 cars previously .Not being finished in order can explain a few things but that is typically for later items being installed on lower VIN cars and not the reverse. With all of that said which is more likely a PO modification or a later car with a early feature conservatively 500 cars out of sequence ? ;)
Bob:
I would have to imagine that discovering the individual state laws about headlights, at that point in production, was an "uh-oh" moment for Shelby American.
Given Ford's level of involvement at that time, do we know if it was S-A alone, or Ford, (or some combination of both) that footed the bill for the change over from inboards to outboards?
Just to be clear, there is no evidence to suggest that SA was taking inboard cars and converting them to outboard . Like I mentioned before the worker said they used up all of the inboard grill parts inventory before changing over to the outboard when they converted them to Shelby's. So there was no footing the bill for anything . Once they were built they were done. No changing. Although there were laws apparently they were not strict enough so as not to allow SA to get rid of already made up inventory. At least that was the way SA did things. ;)
Totally agree. Lots of owners in the earlier days of Shelby collecting changed lots of things on their cars. Perhaps a previous owner liked the look of inboard lights. I can't imagine they were original. Maybe done to rectify a fender bender? Who knows. Maybe the next owner will like it just the way it is.
I like the car pretty well, wish it were mine.
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on April 24, 2020, 08:48:35 AM
Some irregularities , still a nice car
Quote from: 67_1183 on April 23, 2020, 08:16:07 PM
I know things change, but I wonder why a "dream car" is now for sale.
I can think of many good and legitimate reasons.
If I had an outboard car and no A/C, I would change it to inboard per my preference and just save all the parts.
But I am not into the competition end of things either.
.
Quote from: ITHERTZ on April 24, 2020, 10:19:31 AM
Quote from: 67_1183 on April 23, 2020, 08:16:07 PM
I know things change, but I wonder why a "dream car" is now for sale.
I can think of many good and legitimate reasons.
Ditto. Things change. Priorities change.
First thing I would do is paint OFF the stripes.
Regardless of any perceived short comings it is a over all nice car ,desirable color and trans. I will be surprised if it doesn't do well.
Seller/owner was forthcoming with what they knew or understood about the car and cooperative. Hope the car finds a good home and we see them here on the site so that they can make informed choices going forward
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on April 25, 2020, 08:34:01 AM
Looked at the comments on BAT and we fell of our chairs laughing on this particular one...priceless !
It would be funny and outrageous IMO to be that concerned about a small 1/64 variance if it were true. It of course is not. The brave anonymous poster is apparently clueless given he obviously is not familiar with what original 67 Shelby stripes look like let alone what SAAC concours expectations are on the subject. Although I don't remember it being mentioned in this thread the reality is the stripe on the auction car is far more off the mark then 1/16. ;) The stripes are not done for a 67 Shelby instead it is done in the 68 Shelby configuration. There is a difference how the center stripe is laid out and how the GT 500/ GT 350 are centered on the fender. One way is correct for 67 and the other correct for 68. Of course that kind of detail is only important on cars that try to look factory original . It is a common mistake for uninformed restorers. I assume the poster was told something was wrong and couldn't figure it out so posted a outrageous comment instead.
About 1 hour left! Seller specifically states "NO IN PERSON INSPECTIONS" due to Chinese virus. I probably would have postponed the sale. But you never know
Quote from: sfm5s081 on April 30, 2020, 12:41:25 PM
About 1 hour left! Seller specifically states "NO IN PERSON INSPECTIONS" due to Chinese virus. I probably would have postponed the sale. But you never know
There were workarounds for that if he was motivated IMO. The motivation level might not be full speed ahead.
The Shelby SOLD!!! Auction just ended and sold for $142,000 + $5,000 auction fee. It appeared to be a nice car.
...wow. :o
Nightmist...............4-speed.
Two big pluses for a lot of buyers. Inboards and brake ducts might have brought more. Parchment even more.
Congrads to seller and buyer - hopefully both are happy with the outcome and their choices.
Quote from: J_Speegle on April 30, 2020, 05:46:06 PM
Congrads to seller and buyer - hopefully both are happy with the outcome and their choices.
I should think both the buyer and seller should be happy. Bring a trailer is an excellent example of an auction house where people should sell and buy their cars. Seller's fees are next to nothing and buyers fees are maxed out at $5,000. Why would you want to risk BJ or Mecum or any of the other gong shows and wind up paying 10% on each end.
I think Bring a Trailer is not only the "future", but it's here now! Unless your a big time gambler that is.
If you're not going to sell your car privately, then Bring a Trailer is the only way. Hell ya!
QSS
Well... Nothing against Bring a Trailer, but I have "Sold Cars at Every Major Live Auction" and have ALWAYS been paid.
I recently "sold" a car on Bring a Trailer and wasn't paid (buyer did not perform and had more excuses than Carter had pills!) and BAT did nothing to
help me get paid... Zero.. I still have the car and they collected the $4,800 (buyers premium) plus my $99 listing fee.
So... Don't believe every thing you read as a sale is not a sale unless the deal goes through.
I have to agree. I did not want to list my SSP on eBay or Craigslist because the crap you have to wade through. So a friend suggested BaT. I gave it a go and what a mess. They refused to post some of the photos i submitted and changed my description of MY car, omitting important details. When the car reached its new owner he unloaded on me. I reached out to BaT and they were unsympathetic. They had no issue taking my money though. Took 3 months to get the buyer to pay. One excuse after another why he couldn't pay. BaT was no help....ZERO help! I will find another venue to sell future cars next time. Not impressed!!
Oh, almost forgot. Strong money for this 67. Considering the current market and many issues of correctness. Good luck to the new owner! Enjoy!
Quote from: SBCARGUY on April 30, 2020, 11:12:08 PM
Well... Nothing against Bring a Trailer, but I have "Sold Cars at Every Major Live Auction" and have ALWAYS been paid.
I recently "sold" a car on Bring a Trailer and wasn't paid (buyer did not perform and had more excuses than Carter had pills!) and BAT did nothing to
help me get paid... Zero.. I still have the car and they collected the $4,800 (buyers premium) plus my $99 listing fee.
So... Don't believe every thing you read as a sale is not a sale unless the deal goes through.
Very valid points you have.
QSS
Quote from: QuickSilverShelby on May 01, 2020, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: SBCARGUY on April 30, 2020, 11:12:08 PM
Well... Nothing against Bring a Trailer, but I have "Sold Cars at Every Major Live Auction" and have ALWAYS been paid.
I recently "sold" a car on Bring a Trailer and wasn't paid (buyer did not perform and had more excuses than Carter had pills!) and BAT did nothing to
help me get paid... Zero.. I still have the car and they collected the $4,800 (buyers premium) plus my $99 listing fee.
So... Don't believe every thing you read as a sale is not a sale unless the deal goes through.
Very valid points you have.
QSS
BaT often relists those cars and
most of the time, the sell for the same amount or more.
Having said that, IMO, BaT should either do that (immediately, while it's fresh in everybody's minds) or offer to give the stood-up seller all, (or at least most) of the fee they collect and do not return.
Quote from: 2112 on May 01, 2020, 11:19:40 AM
Quote from: QuickSilverShelby on May 01, 2020, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: SBCARGUY on April 30, 2020, 11:12:08 PM
Well... Nothing against Bring a Trailer, but I have "Sold Cars at Every Major Live Auction" and have ALWAYS been paid.
I recently "sold" a car on Bring a Trailer and wasn't paid (buyer did not perform and had more excuses than Carter had pills!) and BAT did nothing to
help me get paid... Zero.. I still have the car and they collected the $4,800 (buyers premium) plus my $99 listing fee.
So... Don't believe every thing you read as a sale is not a sale unless the deal goes through.
Very valid points you have.
QSS
BaT often relists those cars and most of the time, the sell for the same amount or more.
Having said that, IMO, BaT should either do that (immediately, while it's fresh in everybody's minds) or offer to give the stood-up seller all, (or at least most) of the fee they collect and do not return.
If BaT doesn't institute such a policy as you have outlined, the big money cars/sellers will go away and BaT will be playing in a small pond. They can't force someone to pay, but the seller should get the benefit of any guarantee monies they collect when a buyer backs out.
I've never used BaT. However, I have both bought and sold at a major auction before. Part of the auction house value is the publicity, specifically when it comes to the pool of real buyers.
Side note: the 10% sellers fee isn't set in stone. Some auction houses will negotiate with the seller to get the reserve off; which can result in a fee much less than 10%.
Agreed and they did nothing but keep all the money and my listing fee...
Quote from: 2112 on May 01, 2020, 11:19:40 AM
Quote from: QuickSilverShelby on May 01, 2020, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: SBCARGUY on April 30, 2020, 11:12:08 PM
Well... Nothing against Bring a Trailer, but I have "Sold Cars at Every Major Live Auction" and have ALWAYS been paid.
I recently "sold" a car on Bring a Trailer and wasn't paid (buyer did not perform and had more excuses than Carter had pills!) and BAT did nothing to
help me get paid... Zero.. I still have the car and they collected the $4,800 (buyers premium) plus my $99 listing fee.
So... Don't believe every thing you read as a sale is not a sale unless the deal goes through.
Very valid points you have.
QSS
BaT often relists those cars and most of the time, the sell for the same amount or more.
Having said that, IMO, BaT should either do that (immediately, while it's fresh in everybody's minds) or offer to give the stood-up seller all, (or at least most) of the fee they collect and do not return.
In my case... It was in their best interest for the buyer not to pay and they got to keep all the "buyers premium" I am sure many will understand exactly what I am saying. 8)
Quote from: Greg on May 01, 2020, 12:36:07 PM
Quote from: 2112 on May 01, 2020, 11:19:40 AM
Quote from: QuickSilverShelby on May 01, 2020, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: SBCARGUY on April 30, 2020, 11:12:08 PM
Well... Nothing against Bring a Trailer, but I have "Sold Cars at Every Major Live Auction" and have ALWAYS been paid.
I recently "sold" a car on Bring a Trailer and wasn't paid (buyer did not perform and had more excuses than Carter had pills!) and BAT did nothing to
help me get paid... Zero.. I still have the car and they collected the $4,800 (buyers premium) plus my $99 listing fee.
So... Don't believe every thing you read as a sale is not a sale unless the deal goes through.
Very valid points you have.
QSS
BaT often relists those cars and most of the time, the sell for the same amount or more.
Having said that, IMO, BaT should either do that (immediately, while it's fresh in everybody's minds) or offer to give the stood-up seller all, (or at least most) of the fee they collect and do not return.
If BaT doesn't institute such a policy as you have outlined, the big money cars/sellers will go away and BaT will be playing in a small pond. They can't force someone to pay, but the seller should get the benefit of any guarantee monies they collect when a buyer backs out.
Quote from: SBCARGUY on April 30, 2020, 11:12:08 PM
Well... Nothing against Bring a Trailer, but I have "Sold Cars at Every Major Live Auction" and have ALWAYS been paid.
I recently "sold" a car on Bring a Trailer and wasn't paid (buyer did not perform and had more excuses than Carter had pills!) and BAT did nothing to
help me get paid... Zero.. I still have the car and they collected the $4,800 (buyers premium) plus my $99 listing fee.
So... Don't believe every thing you read as a sale is not a sale unless the deal goes through.
You would think they would at least do a split of buyers premium with the seller given no other money was collected.
I too sold a high dollar car on BAT and got nothing from the buyer. So they reposted it for free after I took new picts, videos, etc. then it was bid to 10% less and all the comments pointed to something was wrong and that's why the seller didn't buy it. Then it's always online with 2 no sales and all the internet detectives are hard at work. It was difficult to sell as the first thing that comes up
When you google the vin is BAT. Go figure
Quote from: sfm5s081 on May 02, 2020, 12:22:14 AM
I too sold a high dollar car on BAT and got nothing from the buyer. So they reposted it for free after I took new picts, videos, etc. then it was bid to 10% less and all the comments pointed to something was wrong and that's why the seller didn't buy it. Then it's always online with 2 no sales and all the internet detectives are hard at work. It was difficult to sell as the first thing that comes up
When you google the vin is BAT. Go figure
That's a legitimate gripe right there! I know I'm suspicious of relisted cars, but I also know that buyers like to play games at the expense of the seller. I sold one car on BaT and when the buyer won the auction, he started discussions on how to arrange an inspection to see if he wants to buy the car. As if he thought he won the right of first refusal with his winning bid! I got BaT involved right away and we put pressure on the buyer to complete the transaction on the car and got it done. I was worried there for a while. I think I escaped a bad outcome.
BaT should not be allowed to keep their collected bidders fees on transactions that aren't completed. This should go (in part) to the seller and BaT should be doing a better job of protecting sellers and not just their own interests. I still think it's a great place to sell and buy cars, though. Especially now during COVID. They are going to take a HUGE chunk from the big guys and the big guys are going to lose a lot of clients to BaT for the long haul after this all clears up.
I sold a car on BaT last year and all went very smoothly. Respectful reader comments/questions, and a fast-paying buyer (nice guy too.)
Of course, it helped that my car was realistically priced (reasonable reserve $) and was honestly represented, with nearly 100 photos/videos, docs, old photos, etc.
I worked with my BaT rep to make sure the description was detailed enough. It needed to be lengthy as there was a lot to cover. Their first draft of the description left out a bunch of pertinent info. But, the rep was easy to work with and quick to respond.
The selling price turned out to be pretty close to my estimate (a hair under, but close enough.)
I may have had an extraordinarily good experience, but I would do it again.
I know ITHERTZ's auctions, for you other guys, I would love to look up your auctions to see the cars and find out who the turd buyers were.
I bid on a car fully expecting the reserve to be higher than my bids.
Ended up winning. I was not expecting that. You know what? I sucked it up and paid for it.
Immediately.
I don't get people who don't live up to their word.
Quote from: Side-Oilers on May 04, 2020, 12:56:55 PM
I sold a car on BaT last year and all went very smoothly. Respectful reader comments/questions, and a fast-paying buyer (nice guy too.)
Of course, it helped that my car was realistically priced (reasonable reserve $) and was honestly represented, with nearly 100 photos/videos, docs, old photos, etc.
I worked with my BaT rep to make sure the description was detailed enough. It needed to be lengthy as there was a lot to cover. Their first draft of the description left out a bunch of pertinent info. But, the rep was easy to work with and quick to respond.
The selling price turned out to be pretty close to my estimate (a hair under, but close enough.)
What car did you sell?
QSS
I may have had an extraordinarily good experience, but I would do it again.
Quote from: ITHERTZ on May 04, 2020, 12:12:40 PM
Quote from: sfm5s081 on May 02, 2020, 12:22:14 AM
I too sold a high dollar car on BAT and got nothing from the buyer. So they reposted it for free after I took new picts, videos, etc. then it was bid to 10% less and all the comments pointed to something was wrong and that's why the seller didn't buy it. Then it's always online with 2 no sales and all the internet detectives are hard at work. It was difficult to sell as the first thing that comes up
When you google the vin is BAT. Go figure
That's a legitimate gripe right there! I know I'm suspicious of relisted cars, but I also know that buyers like to play games at the expense of the seller. I sold one car on BaT and when the buyer won the auction, he started discussions on how to arrange an inspection to see if he wants to buy the car. As if he thought he won the right of first refusal with his winning bid! I got BaT involved right away and we put pressure on the buyer to complete the transaction on the car and got it done. I was worried there for a while. I think I escaped a bad outcome.
BaT should not be allowed to keep their collected bidders fees on transactions that aren't completed. This should go (in part) to the seller and BaT should be doing a better job of protecting sellers and not just their own interests. I still think it's a great place to sell and buy cars, though. Especially now during COVID. They are going to take a HUGE chunk from the big guys and the big guys are going to lose a lot of clients to BaT for the long haul after this all clears up.
Troy!!!!! You got me hooked on BAT!! ;D
QSS