All,
Looking for recommendations to replace the 1992 Goodyear Eagle ST tires on my '66 Hertz car (Concourse restored 'drivers class'). The car currently has 14 inch 10 spoke aluminium wheels. Prefer tires with raised white lettering.
Thanks
The only tires I found with RWL are B.F.Goodrich or Cooper cobras
https://www.lucasclassictires.com/FR70-14-Goodyear-Polyglas-RWL-Radial-FR7014RL.htm
Don't think the goodyear polyglas was offered in 1966. Would look sort of out of place even for a "driver".
I'd go with the BF Goodrich myself as I have seen on tons of classic Mustangs that are drivers. As I have them on both my 67 coupe and my 69 Mach 1. JMO
I would think one would rather a Goodyear on their car even though it might not be 100% correct, as I don't remember BF Goodrich tires ever came on a Ford. I like BF Goodrich tires, they are on my FJ Cruiser, my wife's Honda CR-V and my Volvo C30 (anyone know that that car is?), I would put them on my Shelby also, but if I can get a nice Goodyear, that's what I would be getting.
Quote from: 67 GT350 on May 03, 2020, 07:48:44 PM
I would think one would rather a Goodyear on their car even though it might not be 100% correct, as I don't remember BF Goodrich tires ever came on a Ford. I like BF Goodrich tires, they are on my FJ Cruiser, my wife's Honda CR-V and my Volvo C30 (anyone know that that car is?), I would put them on my Shelby also, but if I can get a nice Goodyear, that's what I would be getting.
They didn't in the 60's. They're just a very popular choice for a
"Driver".
If I ended up buying BF Goodrich tires for what ever reason I would black out the side walls. Any other white letter advertisement (that is what you are doing for them) besides Goodyear just doesn't seem right on a 60's Shelby. At least that is my opinion .Others may have different.
There is a large muscle car collector in Tacoma WA that has cars with the BF Goodrich tires, but the raised white letters have been shaved off. At a glance they will fool you, but the tread pattern gave them away. They did look good. IIRC, I was told there is a company that will shave off the raised white letter and even make them into another brand. Lets see if any of the WASAAC member remember this and advise of the company. I expect it is not cheap and will make your reconsider spending the money to shave off letters.
Best of luck
Cory
Quote from: 67 GT350 on May 03, 2020, 08:15:45 AM
https://www.lucasclassictires.com/FR70-14-Goodyear-Polyglas-RWL-Radial-FR7014RL.htm
Will an FR70 fit well on a 66 car? I am also looking for recommendations for new tires on a 1966 GT350H driver.
Quote from: 6s1640 on May 03, 2020, 10:17:46 PM
There is a large muscle car collector in Tacoma WA that has cars with the BF Goodrich tires, but the raised white letters have been shaved off. At a glance they will fool you, but the tread pattern gave them away. They did look good. IIRC, I was told there is a company that will shave off the raised white letter and even make them into another brand. Lets see if any of the WASAAC member remember this and advise of the company. I expect it is not cheap and will make your reconsider spending the money to shave off letters.
Best of luck
Cory
One of the forum members here does the shaving and applying Goodyear trademark lettering. You can always use a can of Krylon like I have done and black out the white letters. I remember about 30 years ago at a SOA convention I did that to some F60 15 sized tires leaving only the Goodyear so that they looked more like the unavailable at the time no size tires. It had ole Special Ed guessing for a short time. He was grumbling because it took him a minute to figure out what I had done. It brings a smile to my face just thinking about it.
Quote from: computerworks on May 03, 2020, 10:35:04 PM
Quote from: 67 GT350 on May 03, 2020, 08:15:45 AM
https://www.lucasclassictires.com/FR70-14-Goodyear-Polyglas-RWL-Radial-FR7014RL.htm
Will an FR70 fit well on a 66 car? I am also looking for recommendations for new tires on a 1966 GT350H driver.
It should fit without issue, easily. What's more important to you is an important issue. Radials will drive nicer than bias. Period look?; definately bias, the two are easily distinguished. What came on Shelbys in the period?; Goodyear. For me. I don't plan on driving cross-country; vintage look, but not concours, i.e. a realistic set of rubber it wold have worn. Resulting in a 69-70ish tire:
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/570-040520013028.jpeg)
Not the correct tire for a '66 Shelby, but still the most vintage appearing RWL radial I'm aware of: https://www.cokertire.com/tires/brands/firestone-tires/firestone-wide-oval-rwl-fr70-14.html
Quote from: 6s1640 on May 03, 2020, 10:17:46 PM
There is a large muscle car collector in Tacoma WA that has cars with the BF Goodrich tires, but the raised white letters have been shaved off. At a glance they will fool you, but the tread pattern gave them away. They did look good. IIRC, I was told there is a company that will shave off the raised white letter and even make them into another brand. Lets see if any of the WASAAC member remember this and advise of the company. I expect it is not cheap and will make your reconsider spending the money to shave off letters.
Best of luck
Cory
Brian McKay's all-Ford collection?
Quote from: cj750 on May 04, 2020, 01:01:13 AM
Not the correct tire for a '66 Shelby, but still the most vintage appearing RWL radial I'm aware of: https://www.cokertire.com/tires/brands/firestone-tires/firestone-wide-oval-rwl-fr70-14.html
I had a set on my 67 GT fastback, the car drove fantastic and they lookd great again! I would buy a set of Goodyears if they did that trick.
I cannot believe people shave off lettering, why not just buy a tire that is already blackball?
Quote from: 67 GT350 on May 04, 2020, 08:21:49 AM
...why not just buy a tire that is already blackwall?
I bought Goodyear radials for the car I had and painted the GOODYEAR molded into the sidewalls with white paint. The letters had a raised edge so I just filled-in the middles, it takes a little time but ... I just used white latex from the art and crafts store (it was in tube) and a small brush, a rag and some water for any that gets where you don't want it, wipes off easy while it's still wet. The paint did not flake or chip off. There is high-quality white tire paint but it is rather expensive and you need to buy a quart.
Quote from: 67 GT350 on May 04, 2020, 08:21:49 AM
Quote from: cj750 on May 04, 2020, 01:01:13 AM
Not the correct tire for a '66 Shelby, but still the most vintage appearing RWL radial I'm aware of: https://www.cokertire.com/tires/brands/firestone-tires/firestone-wide-oval-rwl-fr70-14.html
I had a set on my 67 GT fastback, the car drove fantastic and they lookd great again! I would buy a set of Goodyears if they did that trick.
I cannot believe people shave off lettering, why not just buy a tire that is already blackball?
people shave off lettering so that there is a flat surface to apply the vintage lettering etc. A Goodyear Wingfoot does not look as good when glued to the edge of a letter underneath compared to when it is glued to a flat surface. Shaving offers that advantage. ;)
Quote from: 2112 on May 04, 2020, 02:15:49 AM
Quote from: 6s1640 on May 03, 2020, 10:17:46 PM
There is a large muscle car collector in Tacoma WA that has cars with the BF Goodrich tires, but the raised white letters have been shaved off. At a glance they will fool you, but the tread pattern gave them away. They did look good. IIRC, I was told there is a company that will shave off the raised white letter and even make them into another brand. Lets see if any of the WASAAC member remember this and advise of the company. I expect it is not cheap and will make your reconsider spending the money to shave off letters.
Best of luck
Cory
Brian McKay's all-Ford collection?
Very close. It is Gary McKay. Good job.
Thanks
Cory
Quote from: 6s1640 on May 04, 2020, 10:49:44 AM
Quote from: 2112 on May 04, 2020, 02:15:49 AM
Quote from: 6s1640 on May 03, 2020, 10:17:46 PM
There is a large muscle car collector in Tacoma WA that has cars with the BF Goodrich tires, but the raised white letters have been shaved off. At a glance they will fool you, but the tread pattern gave them away. They did look good. IIRC, I was told there is a company that will shave off the raised white letter and even make them into another brand. Lets see if any of the WASAAC member remember this and advise of the company. I expect it is not cheap and will make your reconsider spending the money to shave off letters.
Best of luck
Cory
Brian McKay's all-Ford collection?
Very close. It is Gary McKay. Good job.
Thanks
Cory
My tour was many moons ago. He still had the raised BFG lettering on everything at that time.
Everytime I am going thru town, I drive by his shop to peek inside. Last time I went by, the doors were open and there was a Pristine Black B9 sitting there. Beautiful as is everything he had.
Now that closed his business down, and the doors are shut, I don't get to see the hardware inside.
This particular car is rarely driven. LT 500 miles a year.
However, I would like a more dependable tire than what is currently on the car when I do take the car out.
Thanks!
We have Goodrich and Firestone
Here are the Goodrich. Probably will not put these back on as this is our second set and the white letters turn brown. No matter how hard you try it what ever you use, they will yellow and go brown
Quote from: Shelbybo1 on May 04, 2020, 11:09:43 PM
This particular car is rarely driven. LT 500 miles a year.
However, I would like a more dependable tire than what is currently on the car when I do take the car out.
Thanks!
The Firestones letters have always stayed white.
Both the Goodrich and Firestones ride and handle nice
Buy the Firestones
Are the Firestones still being made?
Quote from: 67 GT350 on May 03, 2020, 07:48:44 PMmy Volvo C30 (anyone know that that car is?),
Shopping for one now. Missed on a loaded red 40,000 mile R for $5,000 by 2 hours.
Not sure as these where given to us a few years ago by a friend who runs a shop
Quote from: 2112 on June 15, 2020, 04:13:50 PM
Are the Firestones still being made?
Looked up tire rack this is what they show
https://tires.tirerack.com/m/tires/White%20Letter%20Tires
This is what I was talking about that the letters DO NOT remain white
Mentioned on the tire rack website at the very bottom
Lol, You know guys, it all comes down to personal preference.
I like the look of BFG's on my "Drivers". And the other guy?? He likes Goodyear.....
The other guy?? He like Firestone. This can go on and on.
See?? How hard was that ;D
Quote from: FL SAAC on June 15, 2020, 04:47:05 PM
This is what I was talking about that the letters DO NOT remain white
Mentioned on the tire rack website at the very bottom
This should not be a surprise to any muscle car enthusiast. Occasional scrubbing with a stiff plastic brush along with a good tire cleaner is necessary every so often with white letters on tires. When they get so yellowed that they can not be brought back to white with scrubbing or sanding you can use a touch up brush and paint them back white. There are special tire paint for this purpose or use regular krylon sprayed into a container to use with a brush. Some company's sell stencils so that you can spray paint letters on. Just a number of different strategies enthusiasts use to keep those letters white.
In addition to Bob's suggestions, Bechley's bleach-white tire cleaner does and amazing job brightening up white letters, just use gloves.
Quote from: 2112 on June 15, 2020, 06:53:02 PM
In addition to Bob's suggestions, Bechley's bleach-white tire cleaner does and amazing job brightening up white letters, just use gloves.
+1, exactly what I use.
Well, I went for the radials.... they look sharp and fill the wheelwell nicely
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/1-150620200334-4787248.png)
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/1-150620200456.png)
Those do look great.
Looking good in the neighborhood.
Outstanding!
Quote from: computerworks on June 15, 2020, 08:11:11 PM
Well, I went for the radials.... they look sharp and fill the wheelwell nicely
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/1-150620200334-4787248.png)
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/1-150620200456.png)
YUP!! NOW FOR A ER-70-15!!! PLEASE!
Quote from: 2112 on June 15, 2020, 06:53:02 PM
In addition to Bob's suggestions, Bechley's bleach-white tire cleaner does and amazing job brightening up white letters, just use gloves.
The product I have always used Westley's Bleche White was bought out by Black Magic and they changed the formula which is so much weaker . I did a google search for Bechley's bleach -white and couldn't I find it. The westley's product which is obsolete keeps coming up. Where are you getting it from ? I am looking for a new tire cleaner .
S.O.S. scrubbing soap pads and warm water do wonders for raised white letters on tires. Makes the raised white letters nice and white.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 15, 2020, 10:32:45 PM
Quote from: 2112 on June 15, 2020, 06:53:02 PM
In addition to Bob's suggestions, Bechley's bleach-white tire cleaner does and amazing job brightening up white letters, just use gloves.
The product I have always used Westley's Bleche White was bought out by Black Magic and they changed the formula which is so much weaker . I did a google search for Bechley's bleach -white and couldn't I find it. The westley's product which is obsolete keeps coming up. Where are you getting it from ? I am looking for a new tire cleaner .
LOL! You are correct. I couldn't remember the exact name but you had it nailed.
Sorry to hear it isn't as good as it used to be.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 15, 2020, 10:32:45 PM
Quote from: 2112 on June 15, 2020, 06:53:02 PM
In addition to Bob's suggestions, Bechley's bleach-white tire cleaner does and amazing job brightening up white letters, just use gloves.
The product I have always used Westley's Bleche White was bought out by Black Magic and they changed the formula which is so much weaker . I did a google search for Bechley's bleach -white and couldn't I find it. The westley's product which is obsolete keeps coming up. Where are you getting it from ? I am looking for a new tire cleaner .
I agree...much weaker and now I know why. I noticed a clear difference from what I used before, but I did not know that there was formulary change. I started using it in '86 on the whitewalls of my '66 Coupe when I was in high school. I might have to go back to using Comet or try the SOS pads for my RWL.
I found that the entire tire cleans up with using a power washer. The white is white and the black is black.
Makes the tire look new.
Quote from: 2112 on June 16, 2020, 12:53:07 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 15, 2020, 10:32:45 PM
Quote from: 2112 on June 15, 2020, 06:53:02 PM
In addition to Bob's suggestions, Bechley's bleach-white tire cleaner does and amazing job brightening up white letters, just use gloves.
The product I have always used Westley's Bleche White was bought out by Black Magic and they changed the formula which is so much weaker . I did a google search for Bechley's bleach -white and couldn't I find it. The westley's product which is obsolete keeps coming up. Where are you getting it from ? I am looking for a new tire cleaner .
LOL! You are correct. I couldn't remember the exact name but you had it nailed.
Sorry to hear it isn't as good as it used to be.
Hell, I cant remember what I done yesterday, but I knew what Michael was talking about. And I believe BG hit the nail on the head. Cause now that I looked at my bottle, it is black magic and I too noticed it being weaker. But better than most copy cats.
Actually I think somewhere amongst the junk downstairs I have an old bottle of Westley's ;D
Maybe they weakened it because you could burn your hands and they were thinking about lawsuits?
We are very aware of all the magnificent products known to man for cleaning white lettered tires.
Even used a power washer, Clorox, mineral spirits and lacquer thinner.
They momentarily give it a white surface but in one or two weeks they bleed through the white.
That is why we will not purchase that brand again
That is why we give low marks on both surveys
The only reason we even gave it a 1, is because they are round
This GOMA is NO BUENO
Gracias
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 15, 2020, 10:32:45 PM
Quote from: 2112 on June 15, 2020, 06:53:02 PM
In addition to Bob's suggestions, Bechley's bleach-white tire cleaner does and amazing job brightening up white letters, just use gloves.
The product I have always used Westley's Bleche White was bought out by Black Magic and they changed the formula which is so much weaker . I did a google search for Bechley's bleach -white and couldn't I find it. The westley's product which is obsolete keeps coming up. Where are you getting it from ? I am looking for a new tire cleaner .
Come on Goodyear catch up to Firestone and repro a E70-15 and a FR60-15 while your at it how about a FR70-15???? PLEASE!!!! I don't want non radial tires.....
I don't think Firestone or Goodyear are in anyway involved in the reproduction tires. They sold licensing rights to Kelsey and Coker (& possibly others) to make them.
Quote from: 2112 on June 16, 2020, 09:25:47 PM
I don't think Firestone or Goodyear are in anyway involved in the reproduction tires. They sold licensing rights to Kelsey and Coker (& possibly others) to make them.
I believe John Kelsey uses the goodyear equipment at one of their facilities to mfg the tires from molds he typically has to re invent.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 16, 2020, 11:15:08 PM
Quote from: 2112 on June 16, 2020, 09:25:47 PM
I don't think Firestone or Goodyear are in anyway involved in the reproduction tires. They sold licensing rights to Kelsey and Coker (& possibly others) to make them.
I believe John Kelsey uses the goodyear equipment at one of their facilities to mfg the tires from molds he typically has to re invent.
I wasn't aware he had that arrangement. Thanks for sharing that...
I like learning new things.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 15, 2020, 10:32:45 PM
Quote from: 2112 on June 15, 2020, 06:53:02 PM
In addition to Bob's suggestions, Bechley's bleach-white tire cleaner does and amazing job brightening up white letters, just use gloves.
The product I have always used Westley's Bleche White was bought out by Black Magic and they changed the formula which is so much weaker . I did a google search for Bechley's bleach -white and couldn't I find it. The westley's product which is obsolete keeps coming up. Where are you getting it from ? I am looking for a new tire cleaner .
Lol, comments? :o :o
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Westleys-Bleche-Wite-Tire-Sidewall-Cleaner-The-Original-NOS-Discontinued-HTF/324122615902?epid=0&hash=item4b7736a05e:g:4UMAAOSwdQFeUu-j
Quote from: 69mach351w on June 29, 2020, 09:47:42 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 15, 2020, 10:32:45 PM
Quote from: 2112 on June 15, 2020, 06:53:02 PM
In addition to Bob's suggestions, Bechley's bleach-white tire cleaner does and amazing job brightening up white letters, just use gloves.
The product I have always used Westley's Bleche White was bought out by Black Magic and they changed the formula which is so much weaker . I did a google search for Bechley's bleach -white and couldn't I find it. The westley's product which is obsolete keeps coming up. Where are you getting it from ? I am looking for a new tire cleaner .
Lol, comments? :o :o
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Westleys-Bleche-Wite-Tire-Sidewall-Cleaner-The-Original-NOS-Discontinued-HTF/324122615902?epid=0&hash=item4b7736a05e:g:4UMAAOSwdQFeUu-j
$120 per bottle?
Why not just buy a new tire?
Damn! I bought a case of 4 1 gallon jugs for around $20 a few years back at the Englishtown swap meet a few years back. I'll have to check my inventory level. Might be a gold mine in my garage. ;D
$120 per bottle. That's just fu*&ing dumb.
But wait guys, you can get your own "99%EMPTY" bottle for $2, put some cheap stuff in it, then sell it for $120.
Guarantee you some people will do that.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westleys-Bleche-Wite-Whitewall-Blackwall-Tire-Cleaner-The-Original-99-EMPTY/333638617836?hash=item4dae694aec:g:EQIAAOSwtVpe799Z
Quote from: 69mach351w on July 01, 2020, 06:18:09 PM
But wait guys, you can get your own "99%EMPTY" bottle for $2, put some cheap stuff in it, then sell it for $120.
Guarantee you some people will do that.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westleys-Bleche-Wite-Whitewall-Blackwall-Tire-Cleaner-The-Original-99-EMPTY/333638617836?hash=item4dae694aec:g:EQIAAOSwtVpe799Z
Someone in NC might be ready to do that. ::)