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Title: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: Vernon Estes on June 30, 2020, 04:54:39 PM
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Howdy folks!

As we move into the beginning of July, I have been receiving a great deal of questions regarding what cars and memorabilia are being offered out of the John Atzbach Collection. Hopefully this post gives a good idea of what is on offer and how to view the lots.

The comprehensive information page for the collection is at the following link: https://www.mecum.com/auctions/indianapolis-2020/collections/john-atzbach-collection/

THE CARS
There are 13 cars being sold in total and links to their listings are below. I think most would agree that every car in the collection stands tall on its own individual merits.

1965 Shelby GT350 “R” 5R002 (Lot Number F140)
“The Flying Mustang” and The Ken Miles R-Model
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0520-414695/1965-shelby-gt350r-prototype/

1965 Shelby GT350 5S425 (Lot Number F141)
A prototype supercharged car, 1 of 2 produced and the only car delivered new to a customer with a blower in 1965
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0520-414696/1965-shelby-gt350-paxton-prototype/

1964 Shelby Cobra CSX2487 (Lot Number F143)
A documented independent competition car sporting superb history and originality
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0520-414704/1964-shelby-289-independent-competition-cobra/

1966 Shelby GT350 6S2265 (Lot Number F142)
One of eleven factory supercharged cars produced in 1966
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0520-414699/1966-shelby-gt350-paxton-fastback/

1966 Shelby GT350 6S2375 (Lot Number F145)
One of 4 GT350 convertibles built for the year, the only one remaining with its original engine
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0520-414698/1966-shelby-gt350-convertible/

1966 Shelby GT350 6S002 (Lot Number F146)
The first production GT350 for 1966
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0520-414697/1966-shelby-gt350-fastback/

1967 Shelby GT350 #0002 (Lot Number F144)
A fantastic early “red light” GT350
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0520-414700/1967-shelby-gt350-fastback/

1968 Shelby GT500KR #2263 (Lot Number F147)
The first KR shipped by the factory and also the first KR delivered to the public
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0520-414701/1968-shelby-gt500kr-fastback/

1970 Shelby GT350 Fastback (Lot Number F148)
The very last GT350 produced by serial number from 1965-1970
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0520-414702/1970-shelby-gt350-fastback/

2015 Shelby Mustang GT350R #37 (Lot Number F149)
The last of the 37 “R”s produced in 2015
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0520-414703/2015-ford-shelby-gt350r/

1967 Lamborghini 400GT 2+2 (Lot Number F150)
A stunning grand tourer in beautiful, original condition
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0520-414705/1967-lamborghini-400-gt/

2014 Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Squadra Corse (Lot Number F151)
A brute of a car and one of just 15 built for the US market
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0520-414706/2014-lamborghini-gallardo-lp-570-4-squadra-corse/

Lamborghini Diablo VT Prototype Full-Size Display / Show Car  (Lot Number F152)
A one-off, full-size prototype show display car
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0520-434348/lamborghini-diablo-vt-factory-prototype-full-size-show-car/

THE MEMORABILIA

The Atzbach Collection features what is likely one of the most extensive collections of Shelby American, as well as Lamborghini, memorabilia in private hands anywhere in the world.

The collection will be sold at NO RESERVE in two different venues.  These venues include LIVE items as well as OnTime items.

LIVE Auctions
There will be, roughly, 1,200 lots sold over the course of Thursday, Friday, and Saturday live on the “Road Art” auction stage at Indianapolis. These items are, in general, the most important items of the sale. In addition to bidding in person, interested parties can also bid by phone or internet bid. Links to these auctions broken down by their run day are below:

Thursday: https://www.mecum.com/auctions/indy-roadart-2020/lots/roadart/07/16/
Friday: https://www.mecum.com/auctions/indy-roadart-2020/lots/roadart/07/17/feature/P/
Saturday: https://www.mecum.com/auctions/indy-roadart-2020/lots/roadart/07/18/

“On Time”  Auctions
The second way memorabilia lots will be sold is through Mecum’s online bidding platform. This platform is called “On Time”. There will be a total of nearly 2,800 lots sold using the “On Time” format and those items are divided into 22 different themed auctions.

A link to the themed “On Time” auctions can be found here: https://ontime.mecum.com/

Bidding is set to open on these items starting tomorrow, July 1 and these themed auctions end on various days of the live auction. A full schedule is visible at the link posted above.

TO REGISTER TO BID

Please note: If you are planning to register to bid on Live Memorabilia lots, a separate registration is necessary for OnTime bidding as well.

Links below!

Cars: https://www.mecum.com/collector-cars/register-to-bid/

Live Memorabilia: https://www.mecum.com/roadart/register-to-bid/

OnTime Memorabilia: https://ontime.mecum.com/register/


Thanks so much to all who have asked questions so far and I’m happy to personally answer any additional questions you might have about the sale. Preparing this collection to cross the block has been a monumental task and I think the Shelby hobby is in for quite a show when all these lots go “under the gavel” in Indy in just a few weeks time!


Kind regards,
Vern


Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: 6s2020 on June 30, 2020, 05:13:03 PM
WOW  :)

Just one thing ,the link for the Cobra and the 66 convertible goes to the 66 Shelby.
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: Vernon Estes on June 30, 2020, 05:27:48 PM
WOW  :)

Just one thing ,the link for the Cobra and the 66 convertible goes to the 66 Shelby.

Whoops, thanks for pointing that out, fixed now!

Kind regards,
Vern
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: silverton_ford on June 30, 2020, 07:06:13 PM
Awesome!!  ;D
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: Shelby_r_b on June 30, 2020, 07:24:47 PM
Can't wait!  It's going to be epic, and I'll be there!
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: 6s1640 on June 30, 2020, 07:45:46 PM
Hi Vern,

Thanks for sharing.

(1)  Will the "On Time" bidding be like a real auction, where you will need to watch you bid to the end, or more like eBay with the proxy bidding format?  Bid you max and then watch others bid you up, or you max bid will be the high bid?

(2) What will be the bid increments?  I will assume, the increments increase the larger the dollar amount.

Thanks

Cory
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: Vernon Estes on July 01, 2020, 11:45:33 AM
Hi Vern,

Thanks for sharing.

(1)  Will the "On Time" bidding be like a real auction, where you will need to watch you bid to the end, or more like eBay with the proxy bidding format?  Bid you max and then watch others bid you up, or you max bid will be the high bid?

(2) What will be the bid increments?  I will assume, the increments increase the larger the dollar amount.

Thanks

Cory

Hey Cory!

In general, its kind of "both" in regards to the auction format. You will see noted on each auction what the bid increment is (seems to be mostly currently noted at $5 although I am not certain if that increases as the item price goes up) but the bidder has a choice of whether to bid one increment higher on an item or to simply enter in what their max bid is for Mecum's system to then do the heavy lifting for you. If you enter a "max bid", the price does not automatically become the high bid on the item, another under-bidder must get the auction to that point.

Kind regards,
Vern

Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: sfm5s081 on July 07, 2020, 05:19:10 PM
Already got the advance on my trusts, booking flight now!
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: GT350Lad on July 07, 2020, 11:33:58 PM
Yeah raising some cash, bidding has begun in   :)
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: 68krrrr on July 11, 2020, 12:29:35 PM
I notice it's being broadcast on NBCSN starting this weekend ,so i'm guessing all the good stuff is next weekend ,set mt dir already but do you guys think any of the memorabilia will be televised or just the cars ?
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: Grumpy on July 16, 2020, 05:36:17 PM
Anyone know what time the cars are suppose to go off tomorrow ?  Any live TV for it ?
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: silverton_ford on July 17, 2020, 12:59:15 AM
Anyone know what time the cars are suppose to go off tomorrow ?  Any live TV for it ?

You can watch it live on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/c/mecum/videos (https://www.youtube.com/c/mecum/videos)

NBCSN may have it live too.

Auction Details - https://www.mecum.com/auctions/indianapolis-2020/ (https://www.mecum.com/auctions/indianapolis-2020/)

Cars start at 10:00AM (eastern time)

5R002 is lot # F140.  I would guess it crosses the block early afternoon (eastern time)
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: Grumpy on July 17, 2020, 03:51:20 AM
Thanks !  8)
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: 6s2020 on July 17, 2020, 04:15:06 PM
WOW $775k plus fees for the 66 Paxton

$800k plus fees for the 65 Paxton

And 3.5M plus fees for R002

great results
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: SBCARGUY on July 17, 2020, 04:40:14 PM
+1
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: sfm5s081 on July 17, 2020, 04:58:50 PM
The 289 comp car and 66 carryover were great deals compared to the rest of the cars
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: csx289 on July 17, 2020, 06:42:59 PM
The 289 comp car and 66 carryover were great deals compared to the rest of the cars
A little more to the story on those two. The Cobra was a street car converted to a comp car in period. A former (far more recent) owner had the car listed as an Independent Comp car after he showed period race history for it. So, not a true Comp car by any means and a long way from being returned to a street car. I've known that one for a long time as I knew the 3 owners prior to John. The Carryover car #002 was a race car for many, many years. The Registry has more on that. It's value, IMHO, was in the serial number not its originality.

I thought 5R002 had a shot to do more, the 65 Paxton car was logical, and the 66 Paxton car was a result of two bidders who wanted to have it I guess! The 66 Convert was a great result too. Heck, all of the cars sold really well even the '15 R which I was glad to see John enjoyed for 6k+ miles rather than keeping it in the wrapper.
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: Dkutz on July 17, 2020, 06:55:53 PM
There was a 427 cobra and a slab side that went a little later today, the price on both seemed a little light.  I am not even sure they sold.  Don’t know if there was a story with them, maybe they didn’t have great history.
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: propayne on July 17, 2020, 07:08:13 PM
Ummm, did Vern buy the independent comp Cobra?

Or maybe he is just there as an agent?

I'm having a drink watching the auction on NBCSN, so maybe I'm seeing things...

- Phillip
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: Bob Gaines on July 17, 2020, 07:19:50 PM
Ummm, did Vern buy the independent comp Cobra?

Or maybe he is just there as an agent?

I'm having a drink watching the auction on NBCSN, so maybe I'm seeing things...

- Phillip
Vern bought it for a client.
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: propayne on July 17, 2020, 07:31:25 PM
LOL! Thanks Bob -

CHEERS!!!

- Phillip
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: A-Snake on July 17, 2020, 07:50:05 PM
There was a 427 cobra and a slab side that went a little later today, the price on both seemed a little light. 
A little voice is telling me I must reply.
It is a street 289 Cobra.
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: SBCARGUY on July 17, 2020, 09:21:27 PM
I believe that particular car (CSX2487) was "a deal".... 8)


Ummm, did Vern buy the independent comp Cobra?

Or maybe he is just there as an agent?

I'm having a drink watching the auction on NBCSN, so maybe I'm seeing things...

- Phillip
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: Dkutz on July 17, 2020, 09:58:26 PM
There was a 427 cobra and a slab side that went a little later today, the price on both seemed a little light. 
A little voice is telling me I must reply.
It is a street 289 Cobra.

Yeah sorry it was a later car.  I read the description, seems it wasn’t restored quite right, and may have lead a. Rough life
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: BGlover67 on July 17, 2020, 10:34:30 PM
Ummm, did Vern buy the independent comp Cobra?

Or maybe he is just there as an agent?

I'm having a drink watching the auction on NBCSN, so maybe I'm seeing things...

- Phillip
Vern bought it for a client.

I think Bob's wrong, Vern bought it for himself.  Midlife crisis at 23.   Only problem is it might be a little small to live in with his wife and two kids. 
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: csx289 on July 17, 2020, 10:48:40 PM
There was a 427 cobra and a slab side that went a little later today, the price on both seemed a little light. 
A little voice is telling me I must reply.
It is a street 289 Cobra.
Ok Jim as long as you went there (not that I disagree!) may I also say it was a 428 Cobra made into a 427 Cobra? ;)
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: camp upshur on July 18, 2020, 02:29:23 AM
Great day for the Atzbach collection.
Regarding 6S002, that looks like an alloy water pump (?).
Was that car built from a mid 65 production Mustang??
I could hardly imagine a restoration error at this level of finish.
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: Kent on July 18, 2020, 03:32:05 AM
Good to see that now the expensivest Mustang is a Shelby.
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: chris NOS on July 18, 2020, 04:34:43 AM
The sale of the collection maybe helped 6S2139 to go for 231 000,00 ... that's a strong price for a late 66.
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: Shelby_r_b on July 18, 2020, 07:10:24 AM
The sale of the collection maybe helped 6S2139 to go for 231 000,00 ... that's a strong price for a late 66.

+1. Strong money on that late 66.
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: NC TRACKRAT on July 18, 2020, 08:22:58 AM
"A rising tide floats all boats"  ;D
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: Harris Speedster on July 18, 2020, 08:52:34 AM
I tried to follow the auction but could not.
Does anybody know how much this art work sold for?

LOT P 258  INDY ROAD ART 2020  JULY 10-18
BILL NEALE ORIGINAL PAINTING. " Shelby's Pony "
Thanks
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: prototypefan on July 18, 2020, 09:02:36 AM
$4012

Go to Mecum.com
click on the Indy auction
on the left side under road art
click on Friday P lots

Bartell stuff went for 5-18K

Good for John
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: Kent on July 18, 2020, 09:22:45 AM
"A rising tide floats all boats"  ;D

Thats one of the best I heard a long time, and it really says what is going on.
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: Rickmustang on July 18, 2020, 10:03:30 AM
I’m here and have to say I did not know sign, posters, blueprints and pictures were worth so much. Crazy. Rick
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: SBCARGUY on July 18, 2020, 01:43:15 PM
Well.. They were to the high bidders.... 8)
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: SFM6S087 on July 18, 2020, 02:52:08 PM
Great day for the Atzbach collection.
Regarding 6S002, that looks like an alloy water pump (?).
Was that car built from a mid 65 production Mustang??
I could hardly imagine a restoration error at this level of finish.

Wrong instrument bezel, wrong tach face & possibly more. Don’t know how this car could have gone through two restoration shops that seemed to know so little about carryovers.

Steve
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: 69mach351w on July 18, 2020, 04:34:44 PM
I cannot BELIEVE what these art work sculptures went for :o

And to think I was going to bid??  Fantasy, Pure Fantasy ???



https://www.mecum.com/lots/RM0520-428976/j-paul-neese-gt40-le-mans-bronze-sculpture/


https://www.mecum.com/lots/RM0520-428907/j-paul-nesse-cast-bronze-sculpture/
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: bluemax on July 18, 2020, 05:06:11 PM


Wrong instrument bezel, wrong tach face & possibly more. Don’t know how this car could have gone through two restoration shops that seemed to know so little about carryovers.

Steve

I noticed that as well... very interesting.
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: A-Snake on July 18, 2020, 07:37:50 PM
There was a 427 cobra and a slab side that went a little later today, the price on both seemed a little light. 
A little voice is telling me I must reply.
It is a street 289 Cobra.
Ok Jim as long as you went there (not that I disagree!) may I also say it was a 428 Cobra made into a 427 Cobra? ;)
Ok, the difference is that "Slabside" is a derogatory term, IMO, to original Cobra owners, while 427 Cobra instead of 428 Cobra was an 'in period' term used by SA. Slabside was 'invented' in the 80's, most likely the 90's, by the replica group.
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: Bill on July 18, 2020, 09:23:07 PM

Ok, the difference is that "Slabside" is a derogatory term, IMO, to original Cobra owners, while 427 Cobra instead of 428 Cobra was an 'in period' term used by SA. Slabside was 'invented' in the 80's, most likely the 90's, by the replica group.

I'll just add, I heard the term "Slabside" being used as early as SAAC 7, 1982 Mostly by 427 owners  ;)
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: Rickmustang on July 19, 2020, 09:40:26 AM
Fun day yesterday in the Road Art auction. I think the car prices also drove up parts prices. But as Vern said, “those parts are getting hard to find” lol. And where can you find all of the rarest ‘65 Shelby parts (horn switch, tach, battery caps, horn button) all for sale in one place. John had and awesome collection that few can rival.
Title: Re: General Information and Questions Thread for the John Atzbach Collection!!!!
Post by: Shelby_r_b on July 19, 2020, 10:07:08 AM
Most certainly a great opportunity to be at the auction. Truly, this was the first event where I was more interested (overall) in the Road Art than the cars.

John A, as all now know, amassed a fantastic collection. And, it was great to see some familiar / new faces as well!