Assuming folks here have seen this? Seems very reasonable for NOS.... Relisted as no sale last week.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nos-1967-Ford-427-Fairlane-67-Shelby-GT-500-Thermostat-housing-C7AZ-8592-A/324240916046?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
WOW!!! Sold for $350.00? That seems to be a fantastic deal. There were guys on our forum saying that is a $1,000ish part. It's also coming from someone I'd consider as a trusted source.
Buy it now price. Was on there all last week and did not sell. Relisted yesterday. I was surprised it was not bought sooner. 20 watchers.
Quote from: azdriver on August 26, 2020, 09:21:55 PM
Buy it now price. Was on there all last week and did not sell. Relisted yesterday. I was surprised it was not bought sooner. 20 watchers.
350.00 is about the going price for a used one. That is if you can even find one. A NOS one like the auction part don't hold your breath.
Here's a C5 for $150:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nos-1965-66-Ford-390-427-428-Thermostat-housing-C5AZ-8592-A-Mustang-Shelby/324240923918?hash=item4b7e43dd0e:g:5dQAAOSwoRRfHOKK (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nos-1965-66-Ford-390-427-428-Thermostat-housing-C5AZ-8592-A-Mustang-Shelby/324240923918?hash=item4b7e43dd0e:g:5dQAAOSwoRRfHOKK)
Quote from: Royce Peterson on August 27, 2020, 08:38:58 AM
Here's a C5 for $150:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nos-1965-66-Ford-390-427-428-Thermostat-housing-C5AZ-8592-A-Mustang-Shelby/324240923918?hash=item4b7e43dd0e:g:5dQAAOSwoRRfHOKK (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nos-1965-66-Ford-390-427-428-Thermostat-housing-C5AZ-8592-A-Mustang-Shelby/324240923918?hash=item4b7e43dd0e:g:5dQAAOSwoRRfHOKK)
The C5AE are extremely common. They typically sell used in the 25-35.00 range from what I have seen. The C5AE marked thermostat housing is for the large diameter thermostat .The MPC says the change over to the smaller thermostat was in early Dec 66 . With that said all evidence suggests the 67 GT500 used the new for 67 C7AE smaller thermostat housing from the get go. 67 GT500 should have the C7AE and not the common C5AE. The C5AE has a distinct shape compared to the C7AE and is easily able to be distinguished on the engine . That C5 auction housing is NOS and I assume is why the seller is asking the 150.00 but I don't see the benefit once it is painted over the lower priced used.but that is just me. I have never come across a C7AE thermostat housing NOS which the Perkins part appeared to be . It was extremely rare. As long as a nice used one isn't corroded to the extreme it will look very similar once painted which FYI they all were on the GT500.
What is and what is not a good deal is a relative thing.
I'd probably want the $350 also if it was mine. However, those housing are date coded. I can't find any mention of a date code on this one nor a picture of the code.
Also, when installed, the radiator hose conceals a good portion of the engineering number so to me those two details diminish the value.
EXCEPT for the casting date, I was able to create out of the current Scott Drake offering, a housing that when installed looks correct.
So really to me, that auction resembled a bunch of decadent 12 year olds trading baseball cards saying, "got it, got it, need it". Not much else.
I feel the same way... It will be painted over ,covered up with a hose, no one will see it or really care but its a good item to boast about telling your friends you have a correct one. Same can be said for people that tell me they have an original Hipo Le Mans cam shaft or factory pistons in their engines ? ;D There are some things that bring a warm fuzzy feeling to some. If they want to spend 500.00 on a T STAT more power to them. We all like something different.
If anything, if it's not going to be used on a car, it's a great display piece for a parts collector. Where are you going to find another rare nos C7AE thermostat housing that's already hard to find even in used condition? Definitely a cool piece.
Quote from: 427heaven on August 28, 2020, 09:55:36 AM
I feel the same way... It will be painted over ,covered up with a hose, no one will see it or really care but its a good item to boast about telling your friends you have a correct one. Same can be said for people that tell me they have an original Hipo Le Mans cam shaft or factory pistons in their engines ? ;D There are some things that bring a warm fuzzy feeling to some. If they want to spend 500.00 on a T STAT more power to them. We all like something different.
The thermostat housing is highly visible under the hood. FYI the difference is the shape of the correct thermostat and not just about a small casting numbers or date code. If you have the wrong one like 98% of the 67 GT 500's out there then it is noticeable. That is if you care about what is original . Some people go to the trouble of duplicating the hard to find original part for less money. It is not all about the money but the effort to try and the replicate the past. Some don't care about originality which is fine for them.There is room for all. Your entire post is filled with unnecessary condescending remarks . That is not cool.
Very visable piece even with hoses and everything installed right out in front of engine and on top !!! Hang loose Help is on the way... ;)
chris
Quote from: Bob Gaines on August 28, 2020, 11:11:31 AM
Quote from: 427heaven on August 28, 2020, 09:55:36 AM
I feel the same way... It will be painted over ,covered up with a hose, no one will see it or really care but its a good item to boast about telling your friends you have a correct one. Same can be said for people that tell me they have an original Hipo Le Mans cam shaft or factory pistons in their engines ? ;D There are some things that bring a warm fuzzy feeling to some. If they want to spend 500.00 on a T STAT more power to them. We all like something different.
The thermostat housing is highly visible under the hood. FYI the difference is the shape of the correct thermostat and not just about a small casting numbers or date code. If you have the wrong one like 98% of the 67 GT 500's out there then it is noticeable. That is if you care about what is original . Some people go to the trouble of duplicating the hard to find original part for less money. It is not all about the money but the effort to try and the replicate the past. Some don't care about originality which is fine for them.There is room for all. Your entire post is filled with unnecessary condescending remarks . That is not cool.
Well, I don't know who's remarks are condescending, yours or mine?
This is the Scoitt Drake part. I don't think it sticks out like a sore thumb, but your remarks do?
Quote from: cbrown on August 28, 2020, 01:18:35 PM
Very visable piece even with hoses and everything installed right out in front of engine and on top !!! Hang loose Help is on the way... ;)
chris
That sounds interesting! 8)
That was a really cool piece and from an amazing collection/ famed restorer too! I was watching and waiting for it to sell quick but it didn't? It took YEARS for me to find mine!! I found a decent one and just sold it to a gentleman in Germany. It was in average condition for ones that I've found.
I sold this one because I'd found a better one. Any port in a storm as my buddy says! I found the better one on Facebook of all things! A guy needed a C5, I had a perfect one, he had the C7, we literally swapped and both were tickled to death to get them!! It really was a cool deal.
As good as my new one is, once you painted it, it's hard to see all the details. Still super cool to have!
That Perkins C7 was probably the closest piece I could reasonably afford for my car from him too...Ha!
I have read some the posts and I would like to offer a perspective.
For some including me, it is not so much that you want to prove that you can alter a part and make it look like an original piece even though it isn't, it is more about knowing for yourself that you put original pieces on your car even though no one knows it but you.
I also take pictures of every piece with its engineering numbers and date codes so it is documented. An altered component would not work with the documentation so I look hard for any missing pieces.
I realize that some don't care and that some parts are good enough which is perfectly fine. We don't need to bash either way of thinking because it is a hobby, fun and room for everyone.
My response was for the majority of car owners here that are not entering their cars in concourse competitions. Dont get it twisted there was nothing derogatory about my post whatsoever. There are 2-3 people on here that enter their cars in concourse competition or judge these cars, so spending 500-1000 dollars for a T-stat housing is great for those that are into that. I know someone that takes his cars to some very large shows and tells his story over and over that he searched the globe for some pieces to his car, internal and external, many parts cant or wont ever be seen. This gives him a warm fuzzy... We all know him and scratch our heads smiling in approval when the stories are told about these ORIGINAL parts he has collected, such as pistons, camshaft, lifters etc. His cars dont look, drive, sound, any better then using todays superior parts, using 50plus year old parts appeals to that group of people and as has been stated before more power to them... Thats a positive not a negative! Now there are a few on here that actually work and drive their cars, myself included that have experience with building , repairing their cars. Doug has what appears to be more hands on experience with these cars then most. If he explains how something can be made to look like an original when painted and a hose slid over it... one should at least listen. This is where perception meets value. I have seen 10s of thousands of people looking at GT 500s over the past 45 years and cant recall anyone commenting on a semi visable T stat housing... Oh look he has a c7 housing.
My experience is that every time I try to use a Scott Drake part it fails miserably. I try to avoid anything from that company for practical reasons. My guess is that part will look fine on the shelf but will probably burst into flames or crumble like a sugar cube if exposed to water. Or some other spectacular version of failure.
Quote from: shelbydoug on August 28, 2020, 01:40:05 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on August 28, 2020, 11:11:31 AM
Quote from: 427heaven on August 28, 2020, 09:55:36 AM
I feel the same way... It will be painted over ,covered up with a hose, no one will see it or really care but its a good item to boast about telling your friends you have a correct one. Same can be said for people that tell me they have an original Hipo Le Mans cam shaft or factory pistons in their engines ? ;D There are some things that bring a warm fuzzy feeling to some. If they want to spend 500.00 on a T STAT more power to them. We all like something different.
The thermostat housing is highly visible under the hood. FYI the difference is the shape of the correct thermostat and not just about a small casting numbers or date code. If you have the wrong one like 98% of the 67 GT 500's out there then it is noticeable. That is if you care about what is original . Some people go to the trouble of duplicating the hard to find original part for less money. It is not all about the money but the effort to try and the replicate the past. Some don't care about originality which is fine for them.There is room for all. Your entire post is filled with unnecessary condescending remarks . That is not cool.
Well, I don't know who's remarks are condescending, yours or mine?
This is the Scoitt Drake part. I don't think it sticks out like a sore thumb, but your remarks do?
Quote from: 427heaven on August 29, 2020, 10:09:48 AM
My response was for the majority of car owners here that are not entering their cars in concourse competitions. Dont get it twisted there was nothing derogatory about my post whatsoever. There are 2-3 people on here that enter their cars in concourse competition or judge these cars, so spending 500-1000 dollars for a T-stat housing is great for those that are into that. I know someone that takes his cars to some very large shows and tells his story over and over that he searched the globe for some pieces to his car, internal and external, many parts cant or wont ever be seen. This gives him a warm fuzzy... We all know him and scratch our heads smiling in approval when the stories are told about these ORIGINAL parts he has collected, such as pistons, camshaft, lifters etc. His cars dont look, drive, sound, any better then using todays superior parts, using 50plus year old parts appeals to that group of people and as has been stated before more power to them... Thats a positive not a negative! Now there are a few on here that actually work and drive their cars, myself included that have experience with building , repairing their cars. Doug has what appears to be more hands on experience with these cars then most. If he explains how something can be made to look like an original when painted and a hose slid over it... one should at least listen. This is where perception meets value. I have seen 10s of thousands of people looking at GT 500s over the past 45 years and cant recall anyone commenting on a semi visable T stat housing... Oh look he has a c7 housing.
Remember General Jack D. Ripper? "Purity of Essence". "A man needs to control his bodily fluids!"
To each his own I suppose? ;D
Quote from: 427heaven on August 29, 2020, 10:09:48 AM
My response was for the majority of car owners here that are not entering their cars in concourse competitions. Dont get it twisted there was nothing derogatory about my post whatsoever. There are 2-3 people on here that enter their cars in concourse competition or judge these cars, so spending 500-1000 dollars for a T-stat housing is great for those that are into that. I know someone that takes his cars to some very large shows and tells his story over and over that he searched the globe for some pieces to his car, internal and external, many parts cant or wont ever be seen. This gives him a warm fuzzy... We all know him and scratch our heads smiling in approval when the stories are told about these ORIGINAL parts he has collected, such as pistons, camshaft, lifters etc. His cars dont look, drive, sound, any better then using todays superior parts, using 50plus year old parts appeals to that group of people and as has been stated before more power to them... Thats a positive not a negative! Now there are a few on here that actually work and drive their cars, myself included that have experience with building , repairing their cars. Doug has what appears to be more hands on experience with these cars then most. If he explains how something can be made to look like an original when painted and a hose slid over it... one should at least listen. This is where perception meets value. I have seen 10s of thousands of people looking at GT 500s over the past 45 years and cant recall anyone commenting on a semi visable T stat housing... Oh look he has a c7 housing.
You can't help yourself with your condescending exaggerated remarks. You just posted a showcase for them . Disregarding your previous remarks your reply post has displayed a showcase of condescending exaggerated remarks perfectly. Definition of condescending: showing or characterized by a patronizing or superior attitude toward others. You said "there was nothing derogatory about my post whatsoever. I see your exaggerated remarks meant to be hurtful . Lets review them. You said " There are 2-3 people on here that enter their cars in concourse competition or judge these cars" Besides the the dozens of cars that get entered in Shelby concours venues each year many of us know the owners of those same entered cars who frequent this forum. There are ten times that looking for the information regardless if they act on it most likely on a weekly basis. Just do a count of those kinds of detail questions asked weekly here. Myself and many others answer detail information questions on this forum weekly plus get many more by private message.If so few people cared why the questions? You said " so spending 500-1000 dollars for a T-stat housing is great for those that are into that." This thread is about a 350.00 part not 500-1000.00 so why the exaggeration if not to demean someone. You said "Now there are a few on here that actually work and drive their cars, myself included that have experience with building , repairing their cars." I don't know where you get your facts but I suspect that there are more then a few here that turn wrenches. Regardless of if a owner turns wrenchs on his car or not ,if that statement doesn't sound like someone wanting to sound superior I don't know what would. You said "I have seen 10s of thousands of people looking at GT 500s over the past 45 years and cant recall anyone commenting on a semi visable T stat housing... Oh look he has a c7 housing. " Besides the obvious exaggeration of numbers If you have observed that many people what about the cars ? You apparently didn't retain what you saw on the cars otherwise why all of the originality question when you were building your car? Informed people can tell the difference between correct parts. Many don't know what they don't know. I and many others want to help others be informed so that they can make decisions like is it worth it or not worth it that is right for them? I know I am gleaning info for my data base on this forum almost daily. Please stop the unnecessary exaggerated condescending remarks because it is not helpful here. You do want to be helpful don't you?
I am surprised you took the low road on this BOB but since you did, lets get to the facts- My statement regarding 3 people is fact... of current and past concourse judges. The three most prevalent posters here are the three Amigos, The P B AND J group and not referencing the childrens sandwich. You being one of them. As to why you would go off on a hissy fit about a simple little part I believe I have that answer. Do you have one?... Are you selling one?... Have you told someone you believe that part should sell for 500-1000$ or more? Your name came up regarding this, you can confirm or deny this. I dont want to speak for you. In the words of SGT Joe Friday.. Just the facts MAAM, just the facts. Look at the second post on this thread, there is a dollar value given of 1000$ There are some on here that reference you as the trusted source, so if they or yourself feels a part has a perceived value of that amount, as I said ... More power to them! Nothing exaggerated, just factual info. I frequent some of the largest gatherings that might have some of our cars present, such as the large auctions. If I have one of my cars entered or am with a friends car I watch and listen to peoples comments about things. The BARRETT- JACKSON auction For the past few years has a turnout of approx. 300- 350thousand people to anxiously see whats inside. In 9 days do all 350 thousand people want to see and ask questions about SHELBYS? No they dont! Do many thousands of people come take a look see and ask questions about our cars... Well... yes they do. Not one of them said... OOH LOOK! He has a c7 t stat on his car.
Quote from: 427heaven on September 01, 2020, 11:17:56 AM
I am surprised you took the low road on this BOB but since you did, lets get to the facts- My statement regarding 3 people is fact... of current and past concourse judges. The three most prevalent posters here are the three Amigos, The P B AND J group and not referencing the childrens sandwich. You being one of them. As to why you would go off on a hissy fit about a simple little part I believe I have that answer. Do you have one?... Are you selling one?... Have you told someone you believe that part should sell for 500-1000$ or more? Your name came up regarding this, you can confirm or deny this. I dont want to speak for you. In the words of SGT Joe Friday.. Just the facts MAAM, just the facts. Look at the second post on this thread, there is a dollar value given of 1000$ There are some on here that reference you as the trusted source, so if they or yourself feels a part has a perceived value of that amount, as I said ... More power to them! Nothing exaggerated, just factual info. I frequent some of the largest gatherings that might have some of our cars present, such as the large auctions. If I have one of my cars entered or am with a friends car I watch and listen to peoples comments about things. The BARRETT- JACKSON auction For the past few years has a turnout of approx. 300- 350thousand people to anxiously see whats inside. In 9 days do all 350 thousand people want to see and ask questions about SHELBYS? No they dont! Do many thousands of people come take a look see and ask questions about our cars... Well... yes they do. Not one of them said... OOH LOOK! He has a c7 t stat on his car.
FYI It wasn't me they were referencing because I have never put that kind of dollar amount on that part other then possibly in a sarcastic context.I have never seen one for sale at that price . I would be just as apt to point out someone making exaggerated condescending posts if it were a avid concours enthusiast posting against people who personalize their cars. Once or twice maybe look the other way but you are consistent in many of your posts. It is unnecessary. Keep it up if you want to continue to make my point.
We leave the Up for Auction threads open for replies and discussion... hopefully constructive, helpful and positive.
This one is looking like it's off the asphalt and in the gravel.
Please... Change the tone or we'll shut it down
Lol, I'm trying to figure out how Shelbydoug got into the mix at reply #11 when Bob wasn't even replying to him, he was replying to 427heaven.
Quote from: 69mach351w on September 01, 2020, 07:31:58 PM
Lol, I'm trying to figure out how Shelbydoug got into the mix at reply #11 when Bob wasn't even replying to him, he was replying to 427heaven.
;)
Quote from: 427heaven on September 01, 2020, 11:17:56 AM
I am surprised you took the low road on this BOB but since you did, lets get to the facts- My statement regarding 3 people is fact... of current and past concourse judges. The three most prevalent posters here are the three Amigos, The P B AND J group and not referencing the childrens sandwich. You being one of them. As to why you would go off on a hissy fit about a simple little part I believe I have that answer. Do you have one?... Are you selling one?... Have you told someone you believe that part should sell for 500-1000$ or more? Your name came up regarding this, you can confirm or deny this. I dont want to speak for you. In the words of SGT Joe Friday.. Just the facts MAAM, just the facts. Look at the second post on this thread, there is a dollar value given of 1000$ There are some on here that reference you as the trusted source, so if they or yourself feels a part has a perceived value of that amount, as I said ... More power to them! Nothing exaggerated, just factual info. I frequent some of the largest gatherings that might have some of our cars present, such as the large auctions. If I have one of my cars entered or am with a friends car I watch and listen to peoples comments about things. The BARRETT- JACKSON auction For the past few years has a turnout of approx. 300- 350thousand people to anxiously see whats inside. In 9 days do all 350 thousand people want to see and ask questions about SHELBYS? No they dont! Do many thousands of people come take a look see and ask questions about our cars... Well... yes they do. Not one of them said... OOH LOOK! He has a c7 t stat on his car.
That was my input to this thread. It was not meant as anything other than harmless conversation of what I recalled as a price that was thrown into another thread, many moons ago, by someone I cannot definitively identify today. Fortunately, Bob grounded me and provided a more realistic price 2 replies later.
My reference to "a trusted source" was directed to the person who was selling the C7 thermostat housing, Bob Perkins. I probably should have said, "Since the item was priced and sold by Bob Perkins, I presume he knows what he's doing."
I hope this clears up any waters I may have unwittingly muddied.
Steve
Steve it had nothing to do with you my friend... Good luck with your car!