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Title: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Bigtphx on August 31, 2020, 02:53:20 AM
Have a 70 Mach 1 that has Shelby stickers on front apron, and Shelby American plate, has 69 dash mounted ignition switch, holes that appear to be from 69 vin tag, but has 70 vin sticker
Vin# 0F02R482202.
Marti report says it’s a GT500 Shelby
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Coralsnake on August 31, 2020, 06:41:11 AM
Please post some photos
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Cobrask8 on August 31, 2020, 08:00:12 AM
Contact the 69-70 Registrar with that number
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: roddster on August 31, 2020, 09:27:57 AM
   Or buy a Marti report on that car. 
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Mongo on August 31, 2020, 09:40:41 AM
Bigtphx, i really need to see photos?
best intentions
vinman@infionline.net
Vincent Mongo Liska
1969-70Shelby Registrar
All 1969-70 Shelbys were built in the 1969 Model year and should have ignition switch on dash (not steering column like 1970 models)!
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Coralsnake on August 31, 2020, 10:51:02 AM
Does the VIN match other VINs on car?
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on August 31, 2020, 01:32:23 PM
Crashed? Stolen? Replaced with stock sheet metal?
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Coralsnake on August 31, 2020, 04:11:20 PM
I think its probably a good idea not to flood the zone with too much information until the original poster replies.

Lets see what is there first, before we try to make a long distance evaluation
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: J_Speegle on August 31, 2020, 06:14:38 PM
I think its probably a good idea not to flood the zone with too much information until the original poster replies.

Lets see what is there first, before we try to make a long distance evaluation

+1 

We don't want to lead the witness ;)
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: tesgt350 on September 01, 2020, 10:22:26 AM
Look at the rear quarter panels...….. Small Side Marker Lights or big ones? 
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: GT350AUS on September 01, 2020, 04:44:57 PM
It’s strange that the original poster hasn’t come back to post any new info or pictures.

My suggestion is in line with Pete, don’t flood the zone.

Let’s move on to something else.
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Bob Gaines on September 01, 2020, 05:39:09 PM
+1. No more comments on what to look for. If he doesn't come back then he was a trolling for drama and if he does come back with information then we can try to help.
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: shelbymann1970 on September 02, 2020, 09:24:01 AM
When it comes to 69-70 Shelbys and re-bodies and such there are a few nuances that are easy to see on a completely assembled car that could lead to further investigations. Of course Ed knows what I am talking about on one area.  :). Gary
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: 5s386 on April 10, 2022, 07:54:47 PM
Marti Report
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Bill on April 10, 2022, 09:32:26 PM
Have a 70 Mach 1 that has Shelby stickers on front apron, and Shelby American plate, has 69 dash mounted ignition switch, holes that appear to be from 69 vin tag, but has 70 vin sticker
Vin# 0F02R482202

Bigtphx: Last Active: Today at 05:21:09 PM
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: 5s386 on April 10, 2022, 11:11:16 PM
I have pictures. It is now being restored. I will need permission from the owner to post pictures .
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Bigtphx on April 11, 2022, 11:31:59 AM
Car belonged to step daughters father, was Gulfstream aqua, he painted red, Marti report says it’s a GT500, but body is 70 mustang, with 69 dash and column. Bob added dual quads also
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Bigtphx on April 11, 2022, 12:08:54 PM
I have pictures. It is now being restored. I will need permission from the owner to post pictures .
So new owner bought from Ellen, Bob’s widow? What have you figured out about the car? What actually happened to it? Marti report verified vin was built as 70 GT 500
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Bigtphx on April 11, 2022, 01:01:34 PM
   Or buy a Marti report on that car. 
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Coralsnake on April 11, 2022, 01:32:56 PM
Why do you say it’s a “1970” body?
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Bigtphx on April 11, 2022, 03:07:45 PM
Why do you say it’s a “1970” body?
Because has 70 rear body panel and tail lights, 70 fenders, extensions, grill
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Bigtphx on April 11, 2022, 03:09:44 PM
+1. No more comments on what to look for. If he doesn't come back then he was a trolling for drama and if he does come back with information then we can try to help.
Not trolling for drama, limited access to vehicle and information, owner has passed since first post.
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Coralsnake on April 11, 2022, 04:18:48 PM
So if I understand you correctly

You are saying 1969 Shelby #2202 or some parts of it (like a door)
are in some way mated with a 1970 Mach 1 body?
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Bigtphx on April 11, 2022, 04:21:44 PM
+1. No more comments on what to look for. If he doesn't come back then he was a trolling for drama and if he does come back with information then we can try to help.
Since my original post the owner past away
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: 5s386 on April 12, 2022, 12:53:34 AM
I have pictures. It is now being restored. I will need permission from the owner to post pictures .
So new owner bought from Ellen, Bob’s widow? What have you figured out about the car? What actually happened to it? Marti report verified vin was built as 70 GT 500

Yes. It looks like a 1970 Mach I with apron 1969 Shelby VINS and other signs of a past 1970 Shelby. Apparently has the original engine.
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: 5s386 on April 12, 2022, 12:55:04 AM
So if I understand you correctly

You are saying 1969 Shelby #2202 or some parts of it (like a door)
are in some way mated with a 1970 Mach 1 body?

Correct. 1969 vins, but from a 1970 Shelby, 0F02R482202
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: 5s386 on April 12, 2022, 01:02:24 AM
Pictures of driver's door, apron vin, and dash tag.
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: 5s386 on April 12, 2022, 01:03:08 AM
Dash
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: 5s386 on April 12, 2022, 01:04:01 AM
Driver's door
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Bigtphx on April 12, 2022, 02:14:37 AM
Pictures of driver's door, apron vin, and dash tag.
Ok, that number couldn’t be changed when switched to 70 model and vin
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Bigtphx on April 12, 2022, 02:24:46 AM
I have pictures. It is now being restored. I will need permission from the owner to post pictures .
So new owner bought from Ellen, Bob’s widow? What have you figured out about the car? What actually happened to it? Marti report verified vin was built as 70 GT 500

Yes. It looks like a 1970 Mach I with apron 1969 Shelby VINS and other signs of a past 1970 Shelby. Apparently has the original engine.

Bobs daughter was supposed to get car, but they had a falling out, and Bobs widow wouldn’t even sell her the car. Have you figured out what happened to the car in its early years? Wrecked? Stripped?
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Coralsnake on April 12, 2022, 07:06:20 AM
Okay those pictures are clearly 1970 Shelby numbers. Those are entirely proper for a 1970 Shelby.

If those numbers are on a 1970 chassis, then something is improper.

Can you post some overall pictures? Pictures of the rear quarter panels? Pictures of interior ? Tail light panel?

Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: tesgt350 on April 12, 2022, 07:32:52 AM
Does it still have the Shelby Roll Bar?
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: shelbymann1970 on April 12, 2022, 08:29:38 AM
Door looks like a real 69-70 Shelby door because of the holes for the 69 data plate. Like Pete says more pics. Could have been a wrecked Shelby fixed with 70 Mustang parts for a few reasons. Do the shock tower vin numbers look welded in? Or is The Who tower look virgin with the numbers on it. Does the trunk have the bracket on pass side for space savor bottle?
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Bigtphx on April 12, 2022, 12:32:44 PM
Okay those pictures are clearly 1970 Shelby numbers. Those are entirely proper for a 1970 Shelby.

If those numbers are on a 1970 chassis, then something is improper.

Can you post some overall pictures? Pictures of the rear quarter panels? Pictures of interior ? Tail light panel?
Pic of rear end
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Coralsnake on April 12, 2022, 12:39:19 PM
Oh boy! Thanks for your continued input!

Somehow the front clip and the rear part got together!

Best case scenario someone made some creative repairs

So far your assessment looks spot on
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: shelbymann1970 on April 12, 2022, 01:31:38 PM
What other pics do you have besides the rear? Side pics? Trunk pics? Front of the rad support pics? Top of the cowl pics? I only see a rear shot and no other pics.
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Bill on April 12, 2022, 01:36:23 PM
Oh boy! Thanks for your continued input!

Somehow the front clip and the rear part got together!

Best case scenario someone made some creative repairs

So far your assessment looks spot on

I can remember a Boss 302 being repaired with a rear clip, base of front right windshield post across to left rear sail panel back in the 80's at an unnamed shop in the southern half of NJ.


Bill
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Coralsnake on April 12, 2022, 02:18:09 PM
It certainly wouldn’t be the first time two halves made a whole car. I looked at KR once and it puzzled the heck out of me, until I figured it out. It was cut on the A pillars
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: gt350shelb on April 17, 2022, 08:38:07 AM
more  pictures would help   but would not be suprised if it was wrecked and rebuilt  after someone picked shelby parts off of it .
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Bigtphx on May 05, 2022, 10:15:30 AM
So any more info on the car? Figure out what happened or what was done to it?
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: shelbymann1970 on May 05, 2022, 11:17:31 AM
It certainly wouldn’t be the first time two halves made a whole car. I looked at KR once and it puzzled the heck out of me, until I figured it out. It was cut on the A pillars
Same with an Az 69 Mach1 CJ car I once looked at. I pencil traced a F-code 69 coupe Vin in the fender well  and then saw the welds under the car. Must of been hit hard in the front.
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: 5s386 on May 05, 2022, 11:52:05 AM
I'm still waiting for the owner to give me an ok to post more pictures, and explain what was done to the Shelby to make it look like a 70 Mach I.

I personally inspected it recently, so no worries.
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: tesgt350 on May 05, 2022, 01:43:34 PM
I'm still waiting for the owner to give me an ok to post more pictures, and explain what was done to the Shelby to make it look like a 70 Mach I.

I personally inspected it recently, so no worries.

I don't think it was made to look like a Mach 1 since I don't see any Mach 1 items.
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: TA Coupe on May 05, 2022, 05:00:46 PM
Splicing cars together is very common. I know of a few Mustangs that have been done and there was a business close to where I worked and taking wrecked cars and cutting them in half and putting them back together was all they did. All the ones I saw were just common cars.

        Roy
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: 5s386 on August 22, 2023, 07:40:11 PM
Update: This Shelby is still under restoration in the Tempe, Az. shop. Will try to visit it again soon.
Title: Re: Mach 1 with Shelby plate and under hood stickers
Post by: Bigtphx on September 10, 2023, 03:05:22 PM
Update: This Shelby is still under restoration in the Tempe, Az. shop. Will try to visit it again soon.