For those that are not aware there is a correct and a incorrect way to position the stripes on 69/70 Shelby's regardless of if a convertible or a fastback. I see a lot that are done different then the way the stripe was designed and engineered to layout. Basically in the front the center stripe is centered or splits the front air scoop duct in the front fender and in the rear the center strip splits the reflector opening . In the rear after the stripe is applied the material over the rear marker light opening has a X sliced into it with a razor blade and the pie shapes are folded over to the inside of the trunk area. Improper application of the stripe is a very common mistake that restorers make. I see it all of the time. This is not to say that some factory stripes didn't get mis applied too. The workers were not given much time to apply their side. I have seen some horrendously bad crooked factory stripe jobs. If you are one of those that has to copy all of the mistakes done by the factory (not talking about factory sloppiness) then take a picture of the factory mis applied factory stripe for posterity if you plan on copying it. Besides explaining why you did something to others who notice how it is incorrect, in concours the stripe is expected to be as it was engineered to be applied unless you have some kind of reasonable proof to the contrary. Besides it just looks better aesthetically when done evenly like it was meant to be. The side stripes and how they are applied are a very important outside visual. If the rear reflectors are not centered it really stands out as uneven.
Thanks (again) Bob. On a 69/70 Shelby this is something that when wrong I always think, "what else did they miss"?
Bob,
Are you saying there are no variations that are acceptable per concours rules? Or is the above post more your personal opinion as to how "all" cars should be once they are being restored due to the aesthetics of the stripe layout? Is it wrong to copy the the way the car was originally delivered vs what is was supposed to be delivered as?
Asking for a friend ;)
Bill
Quote from: Bill on September 06, 2020, 06:51:19 AM
Bob,
Are you saying there are no variations that are acceptable per concours rules? Or is the above post more your personal opinion as to how "all" cars should be once they are being restored due to the aesthetics of the stripe layout? Is it wrong to copy the the way the car was originally delivered vs what is was supposed to be delivered as?
Asking for a friend ;)
Bill
Bill, you missed the part in my post where I said "If you are one of those that has to copy all of the mistakes done by the factory (not talking about factory sloppiness) then take a picture of the factory mis applied factory stripe for posterity if you plan on copying it. Besides explaining why you did something to others who notice how it is incorrect, in concours the stripe is expected to be as it was engineered to be applied unless you have some kind of reasonable proof to the contrary." If it is your car you can apply the stripe any way you see fit.If planning on showing in concours don't be surprised if there is a deduction unless you have reasonable proof that it was done the misapplied way. Without reasonable evidence to suggest otherwise the default is to the way the car was designed and engineered to be by Ford/Shelby. I think that is a very reasonable expectation. I personally don't think that someone who corrects a obvious mistake from the way the car was meant to be in the expectations of Ford/Shelby is doing discredit to the Marque. Of course even if you didn't document the misapplied original stripe you can still say you copied the crooked one but then to some it just comes off sounding like your making excuses for your mistake. That is why I suggest documenting it . At the end of the day it is your car so if you are happy with the results that is the most important thing.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on September 06, 2020, 11:23:47 AM
I personally don't think that someone who corrects a obvious mistake from the way the car was meant to be in the expectations of Ford/Shelby is doing discredit to the Marque.
I did not overlook what you wrote, just wanted further clarification, that is all.
As for others of a similar install, what about Ed's purple convertible (I'm certain you have better shots of it as well as hands on experience ;) ), I believe his side stripes are almost identical to mine based on the fuzzy picture allowed on Pete's site
(http://www.thecoralsnake.com/2539purp.jpg)
I know we have seen a few others in vintage, time period pictures, but cannot find them this am. Perhaps you, Jeff, Ed, or Pete have them in your file folders and can share.
Bill
Quote from: Bill on September 06, 2020, 11:45:50 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on September 06, 2020, 11:23:47 AM
I personally don't think that someone who corrects a obvious mistake from the way the car was meant to be in the expectations of Ford/Shelby is doing discredit to the Marque.
I did not overlook what you wrote, just wanted further clarification, that is all.
As for others of a similar install, what about Ed's purple convertible (I'm certain you have better shots of it as well as hands on experience ;) ), I believe his side stripes are almost identical to mine based on the fuzzy picture allowed on Pete's site
(http://www.thecoralsnake.com/2539purp.jpg)
I know we have seen a few others in vintage, time period pictures, but cannot find them this am. Perhaps you, Jeff, Ed, or Pete have them in your file folders and can share.
Bill
Bill , I suppose you didn't miss the part in my post where I said "This is not to say that some factory stripes didn't get mis applied too. The workers were not given much time to apply their side. I have seen some horrendously bad crooked factory stripe jobs. " ether . I don't think I need to clarify further IMO. Your example is not the worst I have seen but thanks (not) for trolling for drama between ED and I.
FYI just because one car has documentation on the way the car came from the factory that was different then it was meant to be like your example doesn't mean that is right for your car or anyone else's car too. The documentation for a deviation from the way the car was meant to be engineered claim would typically be for a specific car .
U can see in purple car photo stripe is off between lh door and fender. I was told women applied the stripes at aosmith and a different person on lh vs rh side assembly line at aosmith. I have also seen lh side a little different than rh side on unrestored original cars especially on the verts having 16 pieces to install on each shelby convertible. Remember they werent building show cars on assembly line back in 69 but the side stripe was supposed to be in the middle of the rear quarter side marker light. Last 69 shelby convertible we installed side stripes we used a lazer light beam to keep stripe straight and lined up in the proper locations.
Looking at bills orange car photo i dont think that is an original factory installed stripe done at aosmith. Look at center big stripe at the far rear they were cut straight off at end of quarter panel not curved like in orange car photo but the 2 small top stripes were cut at angle.
Quote from: Special Ed on September 06, 2020, 12:38:51 PM
Looking at bills orange car photo i dont think that is an original factory installed stripe done at aosmith. Look at center big stripe at the far rear they were cut straight off at end of quarter panel not curved like in orange car photo but the 2 small top stripes were cut at angle.
I cannot say for certain, but the x pattern was there when I pulled the side marker out. Since my car is a driver class car, I'm not overly concerned. Just curious for a little more "explaining" :)
Bill
Bob, unfortunately mine are off in the back(too high). Since I am the one who striped my own car with the help of my painter I can only blame myself but then again I went white also. Fro my memory i took the original stripe dimensions from the stripes that are still inside my original doors to this day and marked off my doors. Making it a straight line(probably my mistake) the stripe rode a little high in the back. I went with that. Since then pics have come to light of my car when it was original. centered rear stripes. I can measure my car for door stripe placement since my original doors are tucked away in my attic with the original gold stripes in the inner door area . Pics of my car originally with gold and off with white. Live and learn... Gary
If you don't have the laser like Ed used you can also use a string line to go from the front to the back marker light to get the stripe path.converts are much harder to do then fastbacks as has been mentioned.
Mine are straight but i like the white on the red car. This is a little sideways to the original post but how do you know what color stripe was on the car. Mine is candy apple red with a gold stripe.
Quote from: eric lipper on September 06, 2020, 11:25:00 PM
Mine are straight but i like the white on the red car. This is a little sideways to the original post but how do you know what color stripe was on the car. Mine is candy apple red with a gold stripe.
Because candy apple red only was offered with the gold stripe from the factory. The different color stripes were married to specific car colors . As Spec Ed says ""that's just the way it is". shelbymann1970 has a candy red car and when he restored he used the white . It wasn't factory but that was his choice because he liked it better.
Quote....how do you know what color stripe was on the car. Mine is candy apple red with a gold stripe
Exactly what Mr Gaines said...
http://www.thecoralsnake.com/1969paint
Stripes are coordinated to body color, it was not a choice
Pete what happens when u have a special order paint car who decided stripe color as in specialed shelby? Good thing my purple car still is original so i can document the stripe color.
Shelby decided the color.
I have seen a few references to some cars that received the wrong color side stripes at the factory in those meeting minutes you have.
Try to convince Mr Gaines of that on the show field!
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-070920095138.jpeg)
Info from dealer sales meeting, see item 9 and 13
Always happy to help out the concours judges 😂
Quote from: Coralsnake on September 07, 2020, 09:58:41 AM
Always happy to help out the concours judges 😂
You are selfless . ;D
Orig paint car
Quote from: Coralsnake on September 07, 2020, 09:56:52 AM
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-070920095138.jpeg)
Info from dealer sales meeting, see item 9 and 13
Thank you for posting this! QC was a real problem apparently !
There has been a lot of misinformation that quality was not good or not a priority. Both are false.
The quality standards were different from the extreme tolerances we expect today, however there were a lot of people that cared about the work and the product.
It kind of tweaks me when people degrade them.
Bob,
Great timing on this post, we are just getting ready to stripe the 70 car in the next week, so great information,,, thank you,, Bob
Quote from: eric lipper on September 06, 2020, 11:25:00 PM
Mine are straight but i like the white on the red car. This is a little sideways to the original post but how do you know what color stripe was on the car. Mine is candy apple red with a gold stripe.
There is an inexpensive stripe removal tool to remove stripes off of a car without hurting the paint. Because of this I went White on my red car only because I had a white top and black hood stripes. looked too busy with gold. It isn't my first red Shelby I put white stripes onto. I did it on #3052 drag pack 4 speed FB. When people would ask if the car came from the factory with white stripes I said absolutely then mentioned it was originally a grabber blue car. :) . 3 things I took liberties on my car since I will never sell it: Over restored the underside because to go factory would mean bare metal in some areas. Cleared in hood stripes and the white tape stripes. Since I striped the car myself I figured I could always go back to gold if I decided. Ditto for painting black stripes on the hood over the cleared in ones. Underside is another story.first pic is my underside after I painted it in my garage. Second is original paint of my underside. 3rd is my old GT500 with my GT350 and a R-code Mach1 I had at the time. Gary
Make sure u install stripe kit AFTER lining up all metal and fiberglass as the stripes should be the very last thing u do on a restoration!!
@shlb69 that is an incredibly beautiful car. Love the way the stripe has a creamy patina due to it's age.
Quote from: 2112 on September 08, 2020, 10:45:59 AM
@shlb69 that is an incredibly beautiful car. Love the way the stripe has a creamy patina due to it's age.
More original stripe then creamy patina. The contrast is very noticeable in that picture.The stripes don't typically patina much . Original stripes were more off white then the white white like the reproductions have always been. A side by side comparison shows it as very noticeable. Separately less so. It was a"undesirable effect" the 3M rep said . The white white became the standard more then 30 plus years ago.I never found (out of many) a Ford service stripe that was not the off white. There was maybe still is a fastback set on ebay recently.The problem is that the made into the stripe adhesive may have dried up after all of these years. 3M will make up some stripe special but I heard you have to order a huge amount. I think I remember someone who checked into it saying it was enough to do more then a thousand cars. Too much to justify the investment let alone the time to recoup.
Quote from: Special Ed on September 08, 2020, 10:38:28 AM
Make sure u install stripe kit AFTER lining up all metal and fiberglass as the stripes should be the very last thing u do on a restoration!!
Well I agree. Brought the car home bare. Then after drivetrain in and doors weighted again the stripes went on.
Utah john gogo son called wanting to make 69 shelby stripe the correct way and color so he needs help so need nos autolite or old nos stripe to borrow to get concours correctly made. All the past repo stripes havent been made correctly either the color or the cuts or the fastback vs vert patterns or the gt350/500 letters.
I believe Mr Lea can help you
I have an NOS stripe kit (350) from the 70's if that is any help.
TOB
yes all help is needed to get it right this time.