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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mCqmarP0Uk

One issue I spotted is that they show a 66 G.T. 350 when they are talking about a 65 G.T. 350.  Maybe they couldn't find a 65 or usable 65 footage without earning a copyright strike...

or they are just idiots.   ;)

"....Jim faked his own death in Paris, and the reason the car was never found is because he still has it."  Yes, he goes out cruising in it pretty regularly with Elvis.

I agree.  Ridiculous theories.  Here is another link by a cold case investigator with his theory which meshes well with what was reported. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7sbm9X75QE

It has been my experience that usually the first story is the right story.  Not always, but more often than not.

This guy is funny...

Quote from: deathsled on October 11, 2020, 03:21:30 PM
I agree.  Ridiculous theories.  Here is another link by a cold case investigator with his theory which meshes well with what was reported. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7sbm9X75QE

It has been my experience that usually the first story is the right story.  Not always, but more often than not.

Has anyone thought of looking for Morrison's car using the Ford VIN? Worked for Craig Jackson and Lil Red.

Yup, I sent Dave a link to a site to do a free VIN search, and he told me nothing came back.   Not very surprising. 

After nearly 50 years of staying out public eye, Jim knows how to keep he Blue Lady registered under an alias.

Alias VIN that is.

;D

;)

Maybe. Maybe its registered as a Mustang VIN and he lives in Texas?

Oh wait, I was thinking of someone else.

😉

  Here is yet another theory:  the "blue lady" lives on in other modified, and or fixed up Mustangs and maybe Shelbys when it was parted out by a wrecking yard...back in the 70's.  The rest sold for scrap.

We give YOU two thumbs up on your theory!

FYI

Found Jim Morrisons Shelby parked by the Miami Dinner Key Auditorium
http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=4791.0

Quote from: roddster on October 12, 2020, 09:44:46 AM
  Here is yet another theory:  the "blue lady" lives on in other modified, and or fixed up Mustangs and maybe Shelbys when it was parted out by a wrecking yard...back in the 70's.  The rest sold for scrap.

Motor Trend TV, Auto Biography Program has just released an episode entitled "The Story of Two Legendary Missing Mustangs, It discuses the Bullit car and Jim Morrison's Blue Lady and features a possible GT500 which has a lot of physical evidence that it may the the missing Morrison car. For now it is available on Motor Trend TV application on streaming. It mentions Bret Matteson having the Morrison Registration card but refusing to show the VIN.

That's not entirely accurate.

Bret bought the registration off eBay and the VIN is known to many people. I believe there are notes in the Registry as well. I will respect his desire to keep the number private. Its not so much refusing to share, but rather not publicly posting it for everyone to see.

Thanks for sharing. I would like to see what they say about the Mustang, especially the Mexico version.

Quote from: 2112 on October 12, 2020, 02:12:39 AM
After nearly 50 years of staying out public eye, Jim knows how to keep he Blue Lady registered under an alias.

Alias VIN that is.

;D

;)

Didn't Agent K say that he's not dead, "he just went back to his original planet" or was that Elvis?

Right now alien intervention might be the only path forward....

Good morning Kansas,  Miami here. The car and Jimmy are long gone R. I. P. (rust in pieces)

phscollectorcarworld: Lost Star Cars: Jim Morrison's 1967 Shelby GT500 Mystery SOLVED
http://phscollectorcarworld.blogspot.com/2012/05/lost-star-cars-jim-morrisons-1967.html?m=1

Quote from: Kansas on November 12, 2020, 07:40:21 AM
Motor Trend TV, Auto Biography Program has just released an episode entitled "The Story of Two Legendary Missing Mustangs, It discuses the Bullit car and Jim Morrison's Blue Lady and features a possible GT500 which has a lot of physical evidence that it may the the missing Morrison car. For now it is available on Motor Trend TV application on streaming. It mentions Bret Matteson having the Morrison Registration card but refusing to show the VIN.

  Yeah, it his car.  I remember that dent I put in its door when I opened the door of my Volare wagon on it at Disney World.....

Quote from: roddster on November 12, 2020, 09:54:31 AM
  Yeah, it his car.  I remember that dent I put in its door when I opened the door of my Volare wagon on it at Disney World.....

Ha!

Did you say volare ?

Every time i hear that word it triggers memories of Newbomb Turk in Hollywood Knights.....

Watch "Volare!" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/cXRby61yER0

Quote from: roddster on November 12, 2020, 09:54:31 AM
  Yeah, it his car.  I remember that dent I put in its door when I opened the door of my Volare wagon on it at Disney World.....

THAT'S NEWBOMB TURK!😁😁😁

Quote from: 2112 on October 12, 2020, 02:12:39 AM
After nearly 50 years of staying out public eye, Jim knows how to keep he Blue Lady registered under an alias.

Alias VIN that is.

;D

;)

Her new name is Eleanor.

Quote from: 68stangcjfb on November 12, 2020, 12:56:39 PM
THAT'S NEWBOMB TURK!😁😁😁

And his accomplice the one armed violinist Sasha Dabinsky

Back to the topic....rust in pieces

Quote from: FL SAAC on November 12, 2020, 10:13:00 AM
Did you say volare ?

Every time i hear that word it triggers memories of Newbomb Turk in Hollywood Knights.....

Watch "Volare!" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/cXRby61yER0

Quote from: roddster on November 12, 2020, 09:54:31 AM
  Yeah, it his car.  I remember that dent I put in its door when I opened the door of my Volare wagon on it at Disney World.....

DON'T DRINK THE PUNCH!

😁Aw that Cobra ain't s*&t anyway!😁 As Project X blows its engine during the race!

In a philosophical sense, one could say just like we will always be here because we are made of stardust, Jim's car is too.

Quote from: 68stangcjfb on November 12, 2020, 03:00:19 PM
😁That Cobra ain't s*&t anyway!😁 As Project X blows up during the race!

Not to further derail the original post, but you guys probably remember that Project X was the actual project car from Popular Hot Rodding Magazine. The movie was filmed a year or two before I worked there. I did drive the car later on.  It was a handful with 90/10 drag shocks, blower and spool rear-end.  Fun on the strip, but not so much on the street.   

The car still exists. Went through a major resto/re-imagine in 2007 by Chevrolet for display at SEMA.  Too bad they removed the circa-1967 Tony Nancy tuck 'n' roll interior.

Unfortunately for Popular Hot Rodding Magazine itself, it got absorbed twice into other publishing companies and is no longer in existence. 
Hot Rod has claim to the car now. Ironic.

Quote from: 68stangcjfb on November 12, 2020, 03:00:19 PM
😁That Cobra ain't s*&t anyway!😁 As Project X blows up during the race!

That cheby was running 9s

I heard the ladies say it had a little wang in it

Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2020, 02:57:14 PM

Quote from: FL SAAC on November 12, 2020, 10:13:00 AM
Did you say volare ?

Every time i hear that word it triggers memories of Newbomb Turk in Hollywood Knights.....

Watch "Volare!" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/cXRby61yER0

Quote from: roddster on November 12, 2020, 09:54:31 AM
  Yeah, it his car.  I remember that dent I put in its door when I opened the door of my Volare wagon on it at Disney World.....

DON'T DRINK THE PUNCH!

Just watched motor trend show talking about this shelby.
So where is kevin Marti or the any of the SAAC experts?
Seems to me saac could verify the vin and the car.

Quote from: Scott b on November 12, 2020, 10:23:40 PM
Just watched motor trend show talking about this shelby.
So where is kevin Marti or the any of the SAAC experts?
Seems to me saac could verify the vin and the car.

Which car was Morrisons car is is known. The car has not shown up anywhere to be verified as far as I know. Just rumors and urban legend.

Quote from: roddster on November 12, 2020, 09:54:31 AM
  Yeah, it his car.  I remember that dent I put in its door when I opened the door of my Volare wagon on it at Disney World.....

.   Well ,I am more of a Chrysler Córdoba man myself...It's the rich Corinthian leather you see........

Quote from: Coralsnake on November 12, 2020, 07:51:17 AM
That's not entirely accurate.

Bret bought the registration off eBay and the VIN is known to many people. I believe there are notes in the Registry as well. I will respect his desire to keep the number private. Its not so much refusing to share, but rather not publicly posting it for everyone to see.

Thanks for sharing. I would like to see what they say about the Mustang, especially the Mexico version.

Yeah that would be interesting the take on the Mexican car. I heard the story from Kevin Marti a few years back after he went and saw the car in Mexico. Interesting story. Gary

QuoteThe VIN is known to many people

I quote myself, because I can

Quote from: Coralsnake on November 13, 2020, 06:40:42 AM

QuoteThe VIN is known to many people

I quote myself, because I can

It's good to quote reliable sources.


I tend to agree with Miami Tony on this one.

A vehicle very closely resembling the "Blue Lady" is very likely to appear at some near point in the future from a location not originating within the US but from a place similar to if not in fact Mexico.  ;)

Possibly classified as another form of Montezuma's Revenge?


I find the "Hard Facts" article, not at all humorous but largely an inept waste of time. I personally do not see where there is suspicion of foul play but if I was to suspect anyone of that I'd be looking at his girl friend.

She was largely a "wasted hophead" but I don't necessarily give her doubt that it wasn't in her heart or ability. Maybe she was the lady from "Stairway to Heaven" and she wanted him to "see God"?

I doubt it will ever show up. At least not based on it's original unibody. In the 70s crashed and clapped out cars even Mustangs and Shelbys were bringing good money being crushed and sent to Japan. All of the junk yards were cleaning out and scrapping the scrap. Some new junkyards even sprang up with a new business model. Cars neatly placed in rows sorted by make. They were there for 30-60 days and them they were crushed and hauled to the port. Even later they added a giant wood chipper type machine that they shredded the cars so more fit in the hold.
Yes the Blue Lady is gone but she will rise again from a foreign junkyard and then be "verified" after a lot of the original sheetmetal has been changed.

Plus One !

Mas Uno !

Quote from: Coralsnake on November 13, 2020, 06:40:42 AM

QuoteThe VIN is known to many people

I quote myself, because I can

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"Total Fees $6."  Those were the days.

Quote from: Side-Oilers on November 18, 2020, 04:10:20 PM
"Total Fees $6."  Those were the days.

 $6 in 1969 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $42.57 in 2020, a difference of $36.57 over 51 years. The 1969 inflation rate was 5.46%. The current year-over-year inflation rate (2019 to 2020) is now 1.18%

$42.57 for a '67 "GT500" registration in 2020 sounds pretty good.

But, I'll still take the $6 in 1969, and the world as it was then.  Viet Nam excepted.

The Auto Biography on MotorTrend TV will air their Missing Mustangs Episode on tonight, at 8PM Central. It will talk about  the Bullitt Mustang and on the last half talk about Jim Morrison's Shelby GT500.  It will feature car 1888 as an example which was sold by an Albuquerque, NM dealer Richardson Ford.  While he is not claiming it is Morrisons the current owner has been told by past owners that this Shelby was Morrisons. Jim had been seen in their showroom looking at it according to locals. Apparently this was verified back in the 90's by Larry Poole who was the GM of Richardson Ford who looked up records on microfish.  He never copied it and they no longer exists. When Nuckolls the current owner purchased the car it was a project. He had seen an article by Bret Mattison so he called him at midnight one night and left a voice mail. According to the owner, Bret called him right back and seemed upset that he had purchased the car 1888 as he was supposed to buy it? Bret offered to buy it 3 times during the conversation which was declined. The producers of this show contacted Bret and discussed the article and Nuckolls car. He told them Morrisons was car 939 and agreed to send them an unredacted copy of the registration certificate with the VIN Shown on it to prove it. He never did and quit returning their calls.  When 1888 was restored it was found to have repaired damage consistant with repairs in the late 60's with then new Ford parts in the places that  Morrisons recorded wrecks damaged.? It all covered in the show.  It would be helpful to see the real Morrison registration document with the VIN on it to put this to rest one way or another.

Alright, alright, alright....we are letting the cat out of the bag.

We have Jimmys car.

Just like many Ford / Shelby cars that where repurposed (1967s mocked up to look like 1968s etc)

We are guilty of this.

Im order not to attract attention we cut the roof of with a saw saw, made it a convertible.  The original blue through out the years has faded to this interesting shade. The interior parchment interior still resides in it, but we used Clorox clean up and it is now whiter.

The piece of resistance to take Jimmys car totally off the radar, we put a 1969 vin # on it.....

I know many will skoff at this theory but we assure you that this car....was Jimmys....

We have it, mystery over and thank you for keeping our secret safe

QuoteHe told them Morrisons was car 939 and agreed to send them an unredacted copy of the registration certificate with the VIN Shown on it to prove it. He never did and quit returning their calls.  When 1888 was restored it was found to have repaired damage consistant with repairs in the late 60's with then new Ford parts in the places that  Morrisons recorded wrecks damaged.? It all covered in the show.  It would be helpful to see the real Morrison registration document with the VIN on it to put this to rest one way or another.

I have seen it. The registration was sold on eBay many years ago. I don't think there is any controversy here at all.  It is also recorded in the Shelby Registry, so apparently there must be a conspiracy. LOL

Car #1888 is not the Morrison car. The 67 Registry has told the owner this repeatedly. He still doesn't get it.
We have clear documentation of the real car #939.
The present owner of #1888 even changed the black interior to parchment to make the car look more like the Morrison car.  It isn't.
I hope Motor Trend TV did their homework or they will look like a bunch of idiots.
Dave

The idea that Mr. Nuckolls has Morrison's car is a total joke.

Morrison's car is # 939.
There's plenty of documents and history showing this.
I shared documents at the time however he always had an excuse.  He's just convinced he has the car.
And there's nothing that will change his mind.

I don't recall my conversation with Nuckolls however he told Mustang Monthly he had Morrison's car.
I quickly found out that he did not and contacted MM.
He called me years ago and I told him the facts but he was adamant he had the car.
Dave Mathews also told him that #1888 was NOT Morrison's car and during my last conversation with Dave he mention that he too gave up trying to convince Nuckolls.

Throughout the years I've had many people contact me about my documents and proof.
I've been interviewed and questioned and when #1888 and Nuckolls name comes up I just shut it down.
After awhile somedays you just need to walk away and allow that person to believe what they want.


It's a little like the moon landing and the guy that claimed it was a hoax.
Don't you think Neil Armstrong got tired of hearing about it?

Bret Matteson

Quote from: GT350DAVE on February 06, 2021, 12:26:37 PM
Car #1888 is not the Morrison car. The 67 Registry has told the owner this repeatedly. He still doesn't get it.
We have clear documentation of the real car #939.
The present owner of #1888 even changed the black interior to parchment to make the car look more like the Morrison car.  It isn't.
I hope Motor Trend TV did their homework or they will look like a bunch of idiots.
Dave

They will look like a bunch of idiots - the people a Motor Trend are not car people they are woke  entertainment people. I am sure whatever they produce will be awful..

You don't want the facts to get in the way of a good story!

Quote from: Side-Oilers on November 18, 2020, 04:10:20 PM
"Total Fees $6."  Those were the days.

Just a transfer fee. Tax would have been 4% and license fee about 15 plus a small % of the car value. Would have been about $25-30 per year total. Once the value dropped off 3-5 years you only paid the basic license fee. I'm thinking of getting a dealers license just so I have a set of plates I can swap around on my seldom driven cars.

Apparently there's money in perpetuating BS! Remember the moonshine runner in the Ozarks with the faux Shelby?

Storms brewing

On another note I once visited North FL, the land of Epcot. Met this nice fella and Figment was his name. He lived in a housing complex called Imagination Land....and that is where "Jimmys" car also lives ....

Quote from: roddster on November 12, 2020, 09:54:31 AM
  Yeah, it his car.  I remember that dent I put in its door when I opened the door of my Volare wagon on it at Disney World.....

C'mon you're a performance guy we know it was a rare Volare Roadrunner

Quote from: 427hunter on February 06, 2021, 12:42:28 PM
They will look like a bunch of idiots - the people a Motor Trend are not car people they are woke  entertainment people. I am sure whatever they produce will be awful..

Good grief, they are ruining everything.

Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on February 06, 2021, 12:57:06 PM

Quote from: roddster on November 12, 2020, 09:54:31 AM
  Yeah, it his car.  I remember that dent I put in its door when I opened the door of my Volare wagon on it at Disney World.....

C'mon you're a performance guy we know it was a rare Volare Roadrunner

LMAO  ! nope it was a rare twin turbo pacer station wagon. Go Jimmy go

You know it's raining here....

"Heard it in a love song, can't be wrong!"


The car exists. Aliens crashed it and it's in 'Area 51'. You can only see it from space.  ;)

Quote from: shelbydoug on February 06, 2021, 01:59:55 PM
"Heard it in a love song, can't be wrong!"


The car exists. Aliens crashed it and it's in 'Area 51'. You can only see it from space.  ;)

Space?   You mean MySpace thats owned  by "Tom"

Let's get back on Jimmys car that doesn't exist .... the poof mobile

Hmm i'll watch it for sure because i love  the story ,but if it was born a black interior & changed to a parchment one ,what other proof do you need that is not the Blue Lady.

If this is the same guy I saw interviewed before there are no vin numbers on the car at all, there is no way to prove it's even a Shelby let alone Jim's... Just more fruit from the idiot tree...

Quote from: GT350DAVE on February 06, 2021, 12:26:37 PM
Car #1888 is not the Morrison car. The 67 Registry has told the owner this repeatedly. He still doesn't get it.
We have clear documentation of the real car #939.
The present owner of #1888 even changed the black interior to parchment to make the car look more like the Morrison car.  It isn't.
I hope Motor Trend TV did their homework or they will look like a bunch of idiots.
Dave

That's about as definitive an answer as you could ever ask for.  Hard to believe someone wants to think they have the car bad enough to ignore every bit of information stating he doesn't, sad.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results."

Quote from: BGlover67 on February 06, 2021, 06:49:19 PM

Quote from: GT350DAVE on February 06, 2021, 12:26:37 PM
Car #1888 is not the Morrison car. The 67 Registry has told the owner this repeatedly. He still doesn't get it.
We have clear documentation of the real car #939.
The present owner of #1888 even changed the black interior to parchment to make the car look more like the Morrison car.  It isn't.
I hope Motor Trend TV did their homework or they will look like a bunch of idiots.
Dave

That's about as definitive an answer as you could ever ask for.  Hard to believe someone wants to think they have the car bad enough to ignore every bit of information stating he doesn't, sad.

Quote from: 427hunter on February 06, 2021, 12:42:28 PM

Quote from: GT350DAVE on February 06, 2021, 12:26:37 PM
Car #1888 is not the Morrison car. The 67 Registry has told the owner this repeatedly. He still doesn't get it.
We have clear documentation of the real car #939.
The present owner of #1888 even changed the black interior to parchment to make the car look more like the Morrison car.  It isn't.
I hope Motor Trend TV did their homework or they will look like a bunch of idiots.
Dave

They will look like a bunch of idiots - the people a Motor Trend are not car people they are woke  entertainment people. I am sure whatever they produce will be awful..

I hope you mean TODAY'S  MT staff.  Not the good ol' days (I resemble that remark.)

And I agree with you about every car mag these days.  C/D is a joke.  All the car mags are shadows of their former selves.  Sad to see.

Quote from: In The Doghouse on February 06, 2021, 09:49:16 PM
Every time I watch Auto/Biography, I feel like I'm eavesdropping on the chess club talking about cars.

LOL

I agree.   And it seems like the only other car TV programs are stupider-than-dirt, boisterous idiot, Gas Monkey type shows.   

When watching the car shows I just ignore the drama and watch what they do. Bitchin Rides I admire the metal work they do(and now 3d printing of parts) as I do Ian Rousell on his show. There is a lot to learn about fabrication and restoration on some of the shows. I once talked to Ryan for a while from Counting Cars and learned things I never knew about custom painting. You get out of the shows what you want. I taped that "missing Mustang" episode last night and will watch it. I do find those 2 guys hard to watch on that show. On another note I'm missing something about the second Mexico Bullitt car. Is that FAKE?  Gary

The best part of this thread is when the ignorant think they can float one by the 1967 experts. Changed the interior color?

I would say nice try, but that was a JV league move.


(https://media.tenor.com/images/b144b620392ccd1cd9ccea5ca1088995/raw)

All the owner of 1888 needs to do is provide the
ford Vin# to the 67 registrar , if he can't/won't do that
then he has no case.  After all who would you trust
Motortrend T.V or S.A.A.C.?

 As many of you know, my car 1189 is the same color, roamed the same streets, was driven in the same manor... All or nothing as Jims car. It was even taken off the road the same time frame 70-71 leaving me to believe it was THE CAR everyone was looking for. As we now know it is not the same car, but it would have been fun to have found it once again. We continue to see these barn finds being pulled from places all over the world , it might still be out there . I am guessing it will still show up somewhere, even thou these cars were often thrashed they were still top dogs of their era. Most Shelbys,Copos, Hemis were put away even after they had been thrashed within an inch of their lives, and will continue to be brought back from the dead. For that we are all most greatful. :)

Tried to watch that show last night. It's so cheaply made. No proof of any kind - really a let down. I wish I had that time back.

Quote from: 427heaven on February 07, 2021, 09:44:37 AM
As many of you know, my car 1189 is the same color, roamed the same streets, was driven in the same manor... All or nothing as Jims car. It was even taken off the road the same time frame 70-71 leaving me to believe it was THE CAR everyone was looking for. As we now know it is not the same car, but it would have been fun to have found it once again. We continue to see these barn finds being pulled from places all over the world , it might still be out there . I am guessing it will still show up somewhere, even thou these cars were often thrashed they were still top dogs of their era. Most Shelbys,Copos, Hemis were put away even after they had been thrashed within an inch of their lives, and will continue to be brought back from the dead. For that we are all most greatful. :)

Well, I for one am grateful for having seen and even touched some of these great vehicles that in my case undeniably have affected my life.

I am not happy though that they have become historical relics and as such pretty much condemned to be museum pieces?

Let's face it, the practicality of driving around in a real Daytona Coupe, a Mk IV and even now a million dollar CSX 3000 Cobra are something likely sentenced into the past with little possibility of parole.


As far as recognizing the truth and sometimes the difficulty involved in that is nothing new to mankind.

Not to cop a religious standpoint but just intending to call to attention some of the wisdom of the ancients, "beware of false prophets", seems appropriate in so many ways at the moment.

Apparently it is not an unusual situation for even large groups of the disillusioned to follow snake charmers, no pun intended, and deny reality under the suspicion of some secret undisclosed conspiracy.


There has already been a "Conspiracy Theory" associated with SAAC in regards to the Cobra Registry. The Cobra Registrar has spoken about it here already.

The continued speculation on the Morrison car is just another conspiracy theory in development. Side with the BS or believe the documentation. Seems simple doesn't it?


It's true that the ancients warned about "false prophets" but they didn't explain exactly how to recognize them. I personally would go with the documentation and people of good faith, and side with the '67 Registry. The odds are much better that those are the facts and others are just claims of hallucinations.

Quote from: Royce Peterson on February 07, 2021, 10:53:03 AM
Tried to watch that show last night. It's so cheaply made. No proof of any kind - really a let down. I wish I had that time back.

Yeah.  That was painful to watch.

  02/07/2021:  Nothing like trying to represent a 65 GT 350 by using a poor tribute example multiple times while trying to disect 1) lil'red, 2) Bullit, 3) the blue Lady. All the while standing next to a Ferrari logoed coffee cup.  And, I think a poor example of a Bullet?  Not every scene with a Bullit car had the original in it.
  The question is; have these two folk ever even heard of SAAC?  Could they not of  checked a registry?

Quote from: roddster on February 07, 2021, 01:04:45 PM
  02/07/2021:  Nothing like trying to represent a 65 GT 350 by using a poor tribute example multiple times while trying to disect 1) lil'red, 2) Bullit, 3) the blue Lady. All the while standing next to a Ferrari logoed coffee cup.  And, I think a poor example of a Bullet?  Not every scene with a Bullit car had the original in it.
  The question is; have these two folk ever even heard of SAAC?  Could they not of  checked a registry?

I'm sure that they have but I think that they question the legitimacy, authority and accuracy of the Registry and "who are we to write this thing called a 'Registry'?"


I can't tell you how many I have heard snicker about SAAC like it is some sort of a local "motorcycle club".

When I can, I like to show them the pictures of the parking lots at Great Gorge and the Hyatt Regency. It usually shuts them up?

Quote from: 427heaven on February 07, 2021, 09:44:37 AM
As many of you know, my car 1189 is the same color, roamed the same streets, was driven in the same manor... All or nothing as Jims car. It was even taken off the road the same time frame 70-71 leaving me to believe it was THE CAR everyone was looking for. As we now know it is not the same car, but it would have been fun to have found it once again. We continue to see these barn finds being pulled from places all over the world , it might still be out there . I am guessing it will still show up somewhere, even thou these cars were often thrashed they were still top dogs of their era. Most Shelbys,Copos, Hemis were put away even after they had been thrashed within an inch of their lives, and will continue to be brought back from the dead. For that we are all most greatful. :)

Dennis,
Your car was always an east coast car located in New York during that time period so it didn't roam the same roads. It also has black interior. Even though I asked you directly to participate in the Registry, you chose not to. It was never the Morrison car.
Dave

Jim's opinion !

Mike

Sadly this example may end up at an Auction venue hyped up "believed to be" the lost
Jim Morrison car.
with the past owners to include Tooth fairy and Tinker Bell
Tinker being the one who changed the interior to parchment

Quote from: KR Convertible on February 07, 2021, 12:26:57 PM

Quote from: Royce Peterson on February 07, 2021, 10:53:03 AM
Tried to watch that show last night. It's so cheaply made. No proof of any kind - really a let down. I wish I had that time back.

Yeah.  That was painful to watch.

My thoughts exactly, painful.

Quote from: roddster on February 07, 2021, 01:04:45 PMThe question is; have these two folk ever even heard of SAAC?  Could they not of  checked a registry?

Ignorance is bliss - if they did ANY checking they would not have a show to sell to the uneducated masses.

 Dave thanks for the heads up on things. I am aware my car was never the BLUE LADY, a few years ago the MORRISON car number seemed to be TOP SECRET! When I asked SAAC what the number was or is , I got the run around stating my car was not it. Ok fair enough I wasnt trying to make my car out to be the sacred car, but it was a strange feeling that I might have had it. Even some of the old school guys thought it might be his car because they didnt know the car number either. I am also aware that it was a street racer from the east coast... NEW YORK, JERSEY, PHILLY, areas for the first few years of its life, but it went to the left coast shortly after. My cars name at the time was BLUE CHEER which was documented from some of the old timers that saw it at the track or running around the streets. Apparently that was some type of feel good narcotic from the 1960s. Keeping track of a car for the last 54 years is an interesting thing since you have to sorta have to believe what a previous owner states, to be taken with a grain of salt or not. So from New YORK to LOS ANGELES is the path my car took, it was said it roamed the west valley Hollywood hills area but since I was not ridding with them at the time I cant confirm or deny... just sharing what the car was doing back in the day. Seems to be more positivity as the years go by. Thanks to all for the willingness to help.

Quote from: 427heaven on February 07, 2021, 08:24:36 PM
Dave thanks for the heads up on things. I am aware my car was never the BLUE LADY, a few years ago the MORRISON car number seemed to be TOP SECRET! When I asked SAAC what the number was or is , I got the run around stating my car was not it. Ok fair enough I wasnt trying to make my car out to be the sacred car, but it was a strange feeling that I might have had it. Even some of the old school guys thought it might be his car because they didnt know the car number either. I am also aware that it was a street racer from the east coast... NEW YORK, JERSEY, PHILLY, areas for the first few years of its life, but it went to the left coast shortly after. My cars name at the time was BLUE CHEER which was documented from some of the old timers that saw it at the track or running around the streets. Apparently that was some type of feel good narcotic from the 1960s. Keeping track of a car for the last 54 years is an interesting thing since you have to sorta have to believe what a previous owner states, to be taken with a grain of salt or not. So from New YORK to LOS ANGELES is the path my car took, it was said it roamed the west valley Hollywood hills area but since I was not ridding with them at the time I cant confirm or deny... just sharing what the car was doing back in the day. Seems to be more positivity as the years go by. Thanks to all for the willingness to help.

FYI during that same time period Blue Cheer was also a surfboard manufacturer in Santa Monica,ca..........

And a kickass band - obviously.

- Phillip

Good music, sweet surf boards a HOEDAD could love, and some mind altering substances, sounds like 60s nirvana.  ;D

Y'all still still talking about this fakaroo?

Missing the Super Bowl with the dummy who paid $7 million to be the star of the half time show and had 100s of people jumping around with jock straps on their heads?

Let's go Teech's Boy's !

 Thats hilarious we said the same thing!!! Must have raided the locker room for some props... Hope they were washed. :-\

I am glad the registry exists for B.S. just like this - I agree that it looks like they are trying to hype the car for auction, but if a prospective buyer checks here first the truth will get out.. As we know you start with a clean bill of health by the registry, and it's best to have a real expert like Bob have a look at a good car, let alone a car covered with a question marks like this one. There are too many "experts" out there that might have a good knowledge base, but not know proper construction methods/fonts/dates etc.

I apricate the experts here - Bob, Randy, J, Coral snake, etc - the list goes on (sorry if I missed you) ... They point out details and help form a much more discerning eye..   

Alright, alright, alright, let's memorialize this EPIC production that played on Saturday February 6, 2021 at 10:00 p.m.

Watched it and looked at it as what it is ENTERTAINMENT.

They mentioned the vehicle in their program resides in  Kansas,  the poster informing us of this stellar programs handle or name is Kansas, any relationship there ?

On another note, once upon a time there was a band Kansas. They had a song "Dust in the wind", that is precisely what Jimmys car is  "Dust in the wind, all that car is dust in the wind".......

Our opinion on "Jimmys car" it is gone from the face of the earth .

Having said that, it does not rule out the creativity of some master craftsmen or artisan to reconstruct and resurrect it.

And if and when it comes back to life, not even the most astute people, judges, conoseurs  will be able to distinguish this Phoenix risen from the ashes that it's not the real one.

Possibly someone of  great influence would want to or has been working for many years now recreating or resuscitating this very valuable Shelby

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Jimmy is dead
And his car is too....

Quote from: Kansas on February 06, 2021, 10:52:57 AM
The Auto Biography on MotorTrend TV will air their Missing Mustangs Episode on tonight, at 8PM Central. It will talk about  the Bullitt Mustang and on the last half talk about Jim Morrison's Shelby GT500.  It will feature car 1888 as an example which was sold by an Albuquerque, NM dealer Richardson Ford.  While he is not claiming it is Morrisons the current owner has been told by past owners that this Shelby was Morrisons. Jim had been seen in their showroom looking at it according to locals. Apparently this was verified back in the 90's by Larry Poole who was the GM of Richardson Ford who looked up records on microfish.  He never copied it and they no longer exists. When Nuckolls the current owner purchased the car it was a project. He had seen an article by Bret Mattison so he called him at midnight one night and left a voice mail. According to the owner, Bret called him right back and seemed upset that he had purchased the car 1888 as he was supposed to buy it? Bret offered to buy it 3 times during the conversation which was declined. The producers of this show contacted Bret and discussed the article and Nuckolls car. He told them Morrisons was car 939 and agreed to send them an unredacted copy of the registration certificate with the VIN Shown on it to prove it. He never did and quit returning their calls.  When 1888 was restored it was found to have repaired damage consistant with repairs in the late 60's with then new Ford parts in the places that  Morrisons recorded wrecks damaged.? It all covered in the show.  It would be helpful to see the real Morrison registration document with the VIN on it to put this to rest one way or another.

Quote from: FL SAAC on February 08, 2021, 08:59:24 AM
Alright, alright, alright, let's memorialize this EPIC production that played on Saturday February 6, 2021 at 10:00 p.m.

Watched it and looked at it as what it is ENTERTAINMENT.

They mentioned the vehicle in their program resides in  Kansas,  the poster informing us of this stellar programs handle or name is Kansas, any relationship there ?

On another note, once upon a time there was a band Kansas. They had a song "Dust in the wind", that is precisely what Jimmys car is  "Dust in the wind, all that car is dust in the wind".......

Our opinion on "Jimmys car" it is gone from the face of the earth .

Having said that, it does not rule out the creativity of some master craftsmen or artisan to reconstruct and resurrect it.

And if and when it comes back to life, not even the most astute people, judges, conoseurs  will be able to distinguish this Phoenix risen from the ashes that it's not the real one.

Possibly someone of  great influence would want to or has been working for many years now recreating or resuscitating this very valuable Shelby

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Jimmy is dead
And his car is too....

Quote from: Kansas on February 06, 2021, 10:52:57 AM
The Auto Biography on MotorTrend TV will air their Missing Mustangs Episode on tonight, at 8PM Central. It will talk about  the Bullitt Mustang and on the last half talk about Jim Morrison's Shelby GT500.  It will feature car 1888 as an example which was sold by an Albuquerque, NM dealer Richardson Ford.  While he is not claiming it is Morrisons the current owner has been told by past owners that this Shelby was Morrisons. Jim had been seen in their showroom looking at it according to locals. Apparently this was verified back in the 90's by Larry Poole who was the GM of Richardson Ford who looked up records on microfish.  He never copied it and they no longer exists. When Nuckolls the current owner purchased the car it was a project. He had seen an article by Bret Mattison so he called him at midnight one night and left a voice mail. According to the owner, Bret called him right back and seemed upset that he had purchased the car 1888 as he was supposed to buy it? Bret offered to buy it 3 times during the conversation which was declined. The producers of this show contacted Bret and discussed the article and Nuckolls car. He told them Morrisons was car 939 and agreed to send them an unredacted copy of the registration certificate with the VIN Shown on it to prove it. He never did and quit returning their calls.  When 1888 was restored it was found to have repaired damage consistant with repairs in the late 60's with then new Ford parts in the places that  Morrisons recorded wrecks damaged.? It all covered in the show.  It would be helpful to see the real Morrison registration document with the VIN on it to put this to rest one way or another.

You're a poet and I didn't even know it?

Oh no, don't get me started....

Hickory hickory dock....No, no, no, no....

Little Miss Muffet....No, no, no, no....

Poems from one of mentors Professor Andrew Dice Clay....

Car is still a fake and Jimmys car is "polvo"  (dust)

Quote from: shelbydoug on February 08, 2021, 09:14:25 AM

Quote from: FL SAAC on February 08, 2021, 08:59:24 AM
Alright, alright, alright, let's memorialize this EPIC production that played on Saturday February 6, 2021 at 10:00 p.m.

Watched it and looked at it as what it is ENTERTAINMENT.

They mentioned the vehicle in their program resides in  Kansas,  the poster informing us of this stellar programs handle or name is Kansas, any relationship there ?

On another note, once upon a time there was a band Kansas. They had a song "Dust in the wind", that is precisely what Jimmys car is  "Dust in the wind, all that car is dust in the wind".......

Our opinion on "Jimmys car" it is gone from the face of the earth .

Having said that, it does not rule out the creativity of some master craftsmen or artisan to reconstruct and resurrect it.

And if and when it comes back to life, not even the most astute people, judges, conoseurs  will be able to distinguish this Phoenix risen from the ashes that it's not the real one.

Possibly someone of  great influence would want to or has been working for many years now recreating or resuscitating this very valuable Shelby

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Jimmy is dead
And his car is too....

Quote from: Kansas on February 06, 2021, 10:52:57 AM
The Auto Biography on MotorTrend TV will air their Missing Mustangs Episode on tonight, at 8PM Central. It will talk about  the Bullitt Mustang and on the last half talk about Jim Morrison's Shelby GT500.  It will feature car 1888 as an example which was sold by an Albuquerque, NM dealer Richardson Ford.  While he is not claiming it is Morrisons the current owner has been told by past owners that this Shelby was Morrisons. Jim had been seen in their showroom looking at it according to locals. Apparently this was verified back in the 90's by Larry Poole who was the GM of Richardson Ford who looked up records on microfish.  He never copied it and they no longer exists. When Nuckolls the current owner purchased the car it was a project. He had seen an article by Bret Mattison so he called him at midnight one night and left a voice mail. According to the owner, Bret called him right back and seemed upset that he had purchased the car 1888 as he was supposed to buy it? Bret offered to buy it 3 times during the conversation which was declined. The producers of this show contacted Bret and discussed the article and Nuckolls car. He told them Morrisons was car 939 and agreed to send them an unredacted copy of the registration certificate with the VIN Shown on it to prove it. He never did and quit returning their calls.  When 1888 was restored it was found to have repaired damage consistant with repairs in the late 60's with then new Ford parts in the places that  Morrisons recorded wrecks damaged.? It all covered in the show.  It would be helpful to see the real Morrison registration document with the VIN on it to put this to rest one way or another.

You're a poet and I didn't even know it?

Someone left the door to the Lounge open again.

:o

Tunnel Vision : the tendency to focus exclusively on a single or limited goal or point of view.

"he has tunnel vision in all matters of opinion"

Dust in the wind?I think not.To paraphrase Jimmy Stewart(the other Jim)from A Wonderful Life:"You've got this thing all wrong!!!(Jims car)is in your Toyota Frank,and it's in your Subaru Mike, and in your kitchen knife Ned,and in your framing hammer Zeke,etc.,etc.,etc.....".....The blue lady may be melted down and repurposed ,but "gone" I think not...And,apparently ,we will always have the memories.... :(

And to paraphrase Mojo Nixon....he's in your jeans, he's in your mothers jeans, wait...Mojo is referring to Elvis

I've said it numerous times, car is gone but lives vicariously through our tuna, vegetable, spam cans etc .....

Quote from: 557 on February 08, 2021, 12:47:47 PM
Dust in the wind?I think not.To paraphrase Jimmy Stewart(the other Jim)from A Wonderful Life:"You've got this thing all wrong!!!(Jims car)is in your Toyota Frank,and it's in your Subaru Mike, and in your kitchen knife Ned,and in your framing hammer Zeke,etc.,etc.,etc.....".....The blue lady may be melted down and repurposed ,but "gone" I think not...And,apparently ,we will always have the memories.... :(

Nixon, Nixon....I believe every red blooded American should have a Nixon sticker on their vehicles....

Quote from: SFM6S on February 08, 2021, 01:08:13 PM
And to paraphrase Mojo Nixon....he's in your jeans, he's in your mothers jeans, wait...Mojo is referring to Elvis

This post was sent to us on the recent program :

Watching a superb episode of "Auto/Biography" on the Motor Trend Channel called "The Case of The Missing Mustangs."

Looks like SUPERB has a new meaning or maybe they viewed another program

I highly recommend watching it if you're a true Mustang fan. They talk about Big Red, the Bullitt Mustang, Jim Morrison's GT500, among other missing Mustangs.

Good Lord, pass this guys recommendations at restaurants. Qualifies for the 3H club, hideous,  horrible and horrendous


The segment on Morrison's "Blue Lady" GT500 is fascinating and demonstrates compelling evidence that Jim's car may have finally been found.


Compelling evidence, hope the poster is not your attorney as you will be serving two life sentences for J walking.

Jimmys Shelby was 00939 and the car they were talking about was 01888.


Although the program has already completed airing for today, you can watch it anytime if you have access to On Demand.

My opinion if you have On Demand, don't Demand.....

Must've been the show's producer commenting like that.

Quote from: FL SAAC on February 08, 2021, 01:40:30 PM
Nixon, Nixon....I believe every red blooded American should have a Nixon sticker on their vehicles....

Quote from: SFM6S on February 08, 2021, 01:08:13 PM
And to paraphrase Mojo Nixon....he's in your jeans, he's in your mothers jeans, wait...Mojo is referring to Elvis

.  To paraphrase Tricky Dick:"I could put a Nixon sticker on my Shelby,but that would be "wrong"".....

   "Big Red"...now that's funny.  So, whats "Big Red"??????

It would be wonderful and exciting if the car was ever found
with it's important sheet metal intact and S.A.A.C verified vin numbers undisturbed.
But all things considered,  the last crash was probably fatal and it went to
crusher heaven. I remember walking a junk yard in 1971 and there sat a White
68 GT500KR fastback. It's just what they did back then.

Nope, another ADMIN / EXPERT on a different forum...LMAO  !

Quote from: Royce Peterson on February 09, 2021, 11:15:08 AM
Must've been the show's producer commenting like that.

Quote from: roddster on February 09, 2021, 12:14:31 PM
   "Big Red"...now that's funny.  So, whats "Big Red"??????

.   It"packs the wrigley brand.....".       Chewing gum.

What's his screen name? I think he's the guy from Miami that recommended the best ice and snow tires he's ever had in July?

Probably had snow chains on his "Cobra"?

Quote from: shelbydoug on February 09, 2021, 01:14:20 PM
What's his screen name? I think he's the guy from Miami that recommended the best ice and snow tires he's ever had in July?

Probably had snow chains on his "Cobra"?

No one in MIA would touch snow......but  still Jimmys car don't exist

Quote from: FL SAAC on February 09, 2021, 01:51:44 PM

Quote from: shelbydoug on February 09, 2021, 01:14:20 PM
What's his screen name? I think he's the guy from Miami that recommended the best ice and snow tires he's ever had in July?

Probably had snow chains on his "Cobra"?

No one in MIA would touch snow......but  still Jimmys car don't exist

Must have been pretending to be from Miami then?

Precisely lots of pretenders....still Jimmys car don't exist

Oh did I tell you about a superb program ( some may classify it as premium ) that recently aired.....lol !

Quote from: shelbydoug on February 09, 2021, 01:57:16 PM

Quote from: FL SAAC on February 09, 2021, 01:51:44 PM

Quote from: shelbydoug on February 09, 2021, 01:14:20 PM

Must have been pretending to be from Miami then?

Quote from: FL SAAC on February 09, 2021, 01:51:44 PM

Quote from: shelbydoug on February 09, 2021, 01:14:20 PM
What's his screen name? I think he's the guy from Miami that recommended the best ice and snow tires he's ever had in July?

Probably had snow chains on his "Cobra"?

No one in MIA would touch snow......but  still Jimmys car don't exist

.    Tony Montana??? ;)

Big Red still a quarter....but  still Jimmys car don't exist

Quote from: 557 on February 09, 2021, 12:56:48 PM

Quote from: roddster on February 09, 2021, 12:14:31 PM
   "Big Red"...now that's funny.  So, whats "Big Red"??????

.   It"packs the wrigley brand.....".       Chewing gum.

Quote from: roddster on February 09, 2021, 12:14:31 PM
   "Big Red"...now that's funny.  So, whats "Big Red"??????

Blown experimental GT500 'Big Red' per the Cobra Crier June 1967.

Forgot about "him"....you know he was also in FROZEN?

Quote from: 557 on February 09, 2021, 03:09:50 PM

Quote from: FL SAAC on February 09, 2021, 01:51:44 PM

Quote from: shelbydoug on February 09, 2021, 01:14:20 PM
What's his screen name? I think he's the guy from Miami that recommended the best ice and snow tires he's ever had in July?

Probably had snow chains on his "Cobra"?

No one in MIA would touch snow......but  still Jimmys car don't exist

.    Tony Montana??? ;)

Yea would be nice to here from the Op that told us about the show since it aired & the comments,someone should pm him & tell him to comment now.

Aloha 68krrrr

FYI


They mentioned the vehicle in their program resides in  Kansas,  the poster informing us of this stellar programs handle or name is Kansas, any relationship there ?

Quote from: FL SAAC on February 08, 2021, 08:59:24 AM
Alright, alright, alright, let's memorialize this EPIC production that played on Saturday February 6, 2021 at 10:00 p.m.

Watched it and looked at it as what it is ENTERTAINMENT.

They mentioned the vehicle in their program resides in  Kansas,  the poster informing us of this stellar programs handle or name is Kansas, any relationship there ?

On another note, once upon a time there was a band Kansas. They had a song "Dust in the wind", that is precisely what Jimmys car is  "Dust in the wind, all that car is dust in the wind".......

Our opinion on "Jimmys car" it is gone from the face of the earth .

Having said that, it does not rule out the creativity of some master craftsmen or artisan to reconstruct and resurrect it.

And if and when it comes back to life, not even the most astute people, judges, conoseurs  will be able to distinguish this Phoenix risen from the ashes that it's not the real one.

Possibly someone of  great influence would want to or has been working for many years now recreating or resuscitating this very valuable Shelby

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Jimmy is dead
And his car is too....

Quote from: Kansas on February 06, 2021, 10:52:57 AM
The Auto Biography on MotorTrend TV will air their Missing Mustangs Episode on tonight, at 8PM Central. It will talk about  the Bullitt Mustang and on the last half talk about Jim Morrison's Shelby GT500.  It will feature car 1888 as an example which was sold by an Albuquerque, NM dealer Richardson Ford.  While he is not claiming it is Morrisons the current owner has been told by past owners that this Shelby was Morrisons. Jim had been seen in their showroom looking at it according to locals. Apparently this was verified back in the 90's by Larry Poole who was the GM of Richardson Ford who looked up records on microfish.  He never copied it and they no longer exists. When Nuckolls the current owner purchased the car it was a project. He had seen an article by Bret Mattison so he called him at midnight one night and left a voice mail. According to the owner, Bret called him right back and seemed upset that he had purchased the car 1888 as he was supposed to buy it? Bret offered to buy it 3 times during the conversation which was declined. The producers of this show contacted Bret and discussed the article and Nuckolls car. He told them Morrisons was car 939 and agreed to send them an unredacted copy of the registration certificate with the VIN Shown on it to prove it. He never did and quit returning their calls.  When 1888 was restored it was found to have repaired damage consistant with repairs in the late 60's with then new Ford parts in the places that  Morrisons recorded wrecks damaged.? It all covered in the show.  It would be helpful to see the real Morrison registration document with the VIN on it to put this to rest one way or another.

Quote from: FL SAAC on February 07, 2021, 08:59:45 PM
Y'all still still talking about this fakaroo?

Missing the Super Bowl with the dummy who paid $7 million to be the star of the half time show and had 100s of people jumping around with jock straps on their heads?

Let's go Teech's Boy's !

I watched the show last night. Really was hard to watch. Lets see the owner of little red didn't know what he had and left it sitting in a field. Correct me if I'm wrong but I was told the owner of LR knew what he had but those in the "know" told him in the 90s LR was long gone and he didn't have it. I suspect the owner kept the car because deep down he knew his car was something special and was right. The longtime owner of Bullitt worked with it with his son over they years? Well when I saw it up front on a preview day at the Detroit auto show it looked more like it was neglected and never worked on for decades. Then the "Bret  wanted to buy the 67 Shelby really bad" trying to allude Bret might be trying to pull a fast one to get the blue lady in his clutches by not releasing the VIN to the current owner? If I was Bret I'd be pissed as that is what I took out of that part of the show. Like I said before I find those 2 really hard to watch especially with that love crush the taller one has for Ferraris. Hey ,how about they took a 65-66 CPU generated Mustang and morphed it into a coupe. They couldn't even us a 67 model? SMH.... Gary

Both the owner and the Motor Trend wanted me to share documents on #939..

Would you share documents you own with a guy that already made false claims about his car and even
changed the interior color to support his fraud?
Since Nuckolls has quite an imagination it might take him a few hours to change my documents to #1888 on an registration with Morrison's name on it.

And Motor Trend's position is everyone has to prove #1888 isn't Morrison's car rather than #1888's owner has to prove it is ?

All Mr. Nuckolls is trying to do is put in motion that someday someone will pay millions for a 67 GT 500 because he claims Morrison was the original owner.

He's been told numerous times that he does not own Morrison's car and in his mind he wants his viewing audience to believe everyone is trying to buy it from him.
He's simply a dishonest and ignorant Shelby owner.

Wasn't sure so i consulted with our royal advisor.....no

Quote from: capecodmustang.com on February 10, 2021, 09:17:04 AM
Both the owner and the Motor Trend wanted me to share documents on #939..

Would you share documents you own with a guy that already made false claims about his car and even
changed the interior color to support his fraud?
Since Nuckolls has quite an imagination it might take him a few hours to change my documents to #1888 on an registration with Morrison's name on it.

And Motor Trend's position is everyone has to prove #1888 isn't Morrison's car rather than #1888's owner has to prove it is ?

All Mr. Nuckolls is trying to do is put in motion that someday someone will pay millions for a 67 GT 500 because he claims Morrison was the original owner.

He's been told numerous times that he does not own Morrison's car and in his mind he wants his viewing audience to believe everyone is trying to buy it from him.
He's simply a dishonest and ignorant Shelby owner.

Correct me if I am in error, but interior color is part of a 1967 VIN?

Shelby 101

Yes it is.

Quote from: capecodmustang.com on February 10, 2021, 09:17:04 AM
Both the owner and the Motor Trend wanted me to share documents on #939..

Would you share documents you own with a guy that already made false claims about his car and even
changed the interior color to support his fraud?
Since Nuckolls has quite an imagination it might take him a few hours to change my documents to #1888 on an registration with Morrison's name on it.

And Motor Trend's position is everyone has to prove #1888 isn't Morrison's car rather than #1888's owner has to prove it is ?

All Mr. Nuckolls is trying to do is put in motion that someday someone will pay millions for a 67 GT 500 because he claims Morrison was the original owner.

He's been told numerous times that he does not own Morrison's car and in his mind he wants his viewing audience to believe everyone is trying to buy it from him.
He's simply a dishonest and ignorant Shelby owner.

I'm glad you told them to pound sand! I agree they are fishing for a chump...

Am I correct that 1888 has no inner fender number ?

Quote from: 427hunter on February 10, 2021, 05:03:39 PMAm I correct that 1888 has no inner fender number ?

I have heard there are no Ford numbers on the car. I have not seen the car if they are gone they were possibly lost during accident or rust repair. It would have been prudent for the repairer to keep the original Ford VINs. Without that original number SAAC will not even certify it as a Shelby. It will be seen as a rebody.

 Jim Croce sang ... YOU DONT SPIT INTO THE WIND, YOU DONT TUG ONTO SUPERMANS CAPE, AND YOU DONT MESS AROUND WITH JIM, all great words of advise for life, and vintage SHELBYS. Our in house Superman is SHELBY expert BRET-   Nuff said!

Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on February 10, 2021, 07:00:37 PM
.................Without that original number SAAC will not even certify it as a Shelby. It will be seen as a rebody.

Or air car  ::)

I looked up car #1888 in the registry & it's only a couple pages away from my Nightmist Blue /parchment car & #1888 is  definitely F2A  black interior from Albuquerque not SoCal ,how hard would it have been for Motor Trend to verify this info.

Quote from: 68krrrr on February 10, 2021, 07:53:52 PM
I looked up car #1888 in the registry & it's only a couple pages away from my Nightmist Blue /parchment car & #1888 is  definitely F2A  black interior from Albuquerque not SoCal ,how hard would it have been for Motor Trend to verify this info.

If they spent the 5 minutes it would take to verify the info their entire show would go in the trashcan. There are far more people out there that eat up the rumors and mystique of all things Shelby and celebrity than actual Shelby owners/historians. These people are like low information voters they will take what is spoon fed them as gospel.
An interesting thing is the Z on the tag. Recent intel seems to indicate that this is a car that was finished after Ford took over Shelby American. The Blue Lady was sold before that - right?
What is in there about 939?

Quote from: 427heaven on February 10, 2021, 07:42:35 PM
Jim Croce sang ... YOU DONT SPIT INTO THE WIND, YOU DONT TUG ONTO SUPERMANS CAPE, AND YOU DONT MESS AROUND WITH JIM, all great words of advise for life, and vintage SHELBYS. Our in house Superman is SHELBY expert BRET-   Nuff said!

;D

Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on February 10, 2021, 09:11:06 PM

Quote from: 68krrrr on February 10, 2021, 07:53:52 PM
I looked up car #1888 in the registry & it's only a couple pages away from my Nightmist Blue /parchment car & #1888 is  definitely F2A  black interior from Albuquerque not SoCal ,how hard would it have been for Motor Trend to verify this info.

If they spent the 5 minutes it would take to verify the info their entire show would go in the trashcan. There are far more people out there that eat up the rumors and mystique of all things Shelby and celebrity than actual Shelby owners/historians. These people are like low information voters they will take what is spoon fed them as gospel.
An interesting thing is the Z on the tag. Recent intel seems to indicate that this is a car that was finished after Ford took over Shelby American. The Blue Lady was sold before that - right?
What is in there about 939?

Forgot about the Z before serial # that would make it an outboard car also .

Quote from: 68krrrr on February 10, 2021, 10:16:13 PM

Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on February 10, 2021, 09:11:06 PM

Quote from: 68krrrr on February 10, 2021, 07:53:52 PM
I looked up car #1888 in the registry & it's only a couple pages away from my Nightmist Blue /parchment car & #1888 is  definitely F2A  black interior from Albuquerque not SoCal ,how hard would it have been for Motor Trend to verify this info.

If they spent the 5 minutes it would take to verify the info their entire show would go in the trashcan. There are far more people out there that eat up the rumors and mystique of all things Shelby and celebrity than actual Shelby owners/historians. These people are like low information voters they will take what is spoon fed them as gospel.
An interesting thing is the Z on the tag. Recent intel seems to indicate that this is a car that was finished after Ford took over Shelby American. The Blue Lady was sold before that - right?
What is in there about 939?

Forgot about the Z before serial # that would make it an outboard car also .

Z doesn't necessarily mean outboard lights although many outboard cars have a Z stamp.

dice dueño desconocido porque el carro lla no existe

I added the el carro lla no existe

Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on February 10, 2021, 09:11:06 PM

Quote from: 68krrrr on February 10, 2021, 07:53:52 PM
I looked up car #1888 in the registry & it's only a couple pages away from my Nightmist Blue /parchment car & #1888 is  definitely F2A  black interior from Albuquerque not SoCal ,how hard would it have been for Motor Trend to verify this info.

If they spent the 5 minutes it would take to verify the info their entire show would go in the trashcan. There are far more people out there that eat up the rumors and mystique of all things Shelby and celebrity than actual Shelby owners/historians. These people are like low information voters they will take what is spoon fed them as gospel.
An interesting thing is the Z on the tag. Recent intel seems to indicate that this is a car that was finished after Ford took over Shelby American. The Blue Lady was sold before that - right?
What is in there about 939?

What about the wheels 939 is 10 spoke  and 1888 is hubcaps?

If 1888 was Jimmy's

for sure they would of found a empty baggy with coke residue in it and a bunch of used syringes with jimmy's dna on it when they had the interior out

This is a long shot but is it known if anyone has asked Alice Cooper about the car? Jim Morrison and Alice Cooper we're drinking buddies back in the day. And Alice Cooper, being a car guy himself may have some memories or insight on the Blue Lady. Heck, maybe it's sitting in his garage!😁

Quote from: 68stangcjfb on February 14, 2021, 08:35:00 PM
This is a long shot but is it known if anyone has asked Alice Cooper about the car? Jim Morrison and Alice Cooper we're drinking buddies back in the day. And Alice Cooper, being a car guy himself may have some memories or insight on the Blue Lady. Heck, maybe it's sitting in his garage!😁

Maybe Jim Morrison is living in Alice Cooper's house!

Quote from: acapulco350 on February 11, 2021, 11:58:46 AM

If 1888 was Jimmy's

for sure they would of found a empty baggy with coke residue in it and a bunch of used syringes with jimmy's dna on it when they had the interior out

.  For historical accuracy,Jimbo was more of a pathetic drunk/alcoholic type......... ::)

Quote from: 68stangcjfb on February 14, 2021, 08:35:00 PM
This is a long shot but is it known if anyone has asked Alice Cooper about the car? Jim Morrison and Alice Cooper we're drinking buddies back in the day. And Alice Cooper, being a car guy himself may have some memories or insight on the Blue Lady. Heck, maybe it's sitting in his garage!😁

Think they where married at one point,  had a child they called it "Ozzie"

This just in car found on Disappointment Island....sorry to disappoint you.

The island is real, the car is NOT !

 Rick Nuckolls is the current owner of Car 1888. Not all of his story was able to be told in the Auto-Biography Program. He asked me to respectfully share the following information to tell his side of the story.

I am a friend of the owner. I also briefly appeared in the Autobiography Program and am trying to help the owner document this car. We are still in this process. Old information is hard to get.

Rick Nuckolls is about as honest a fellow as they come. The producers of the program contacted him and asked to have his car in the program. We were all in hopes this might help the documented truth to come out. He has never said 1888 is Morrison's car, but has been told by 4 previous owners it is and the car has a lot of circumstantial physical evidence that it could have been based upon stories of damage to Morrison's car. When he bought 1888 in 2009, he was just looking for a Shelby GT500 that he could afford and bring back to life.

1888 came to Kansas under bill of sale had been stored in Attica KS for about 10 years in a building there with the idea the owner Larry Casperson would bring to back to life. He ended up selling the car by Bill of Sale to Ron Pinkston who has a body shop in Wichita who in turn sold the car on Bill of Sale with a   title from NM from Richard Kreischer of NM to Rick Nuckolls.

Car 1888 is listed in the registry and by Kevin Marti and yes it does have a Ford VIN too as was asked by someone on this forum. All Nuckolls has asked from the beginning was the truth and documented proof that 1888 is or isn't the car and that 939 is as many claim.  Instead of being helpful the registry and Brett Mattison have been rather rude and dismissive to Nuckolls as to documentation and told him, Its not the car. He would be grateful to get such documented proof and to put the matter to rest. He is in the middle of 4 past owners who say it is and the SAAC Registry and others who say it's not. Wouldn't you want documented proof one way or the other if it was yours, just to know for sure?

Part 2
How the Morrison 1888 potential connection came about. The New Mexico Connection.
1)   The car in basket case condition was delivered to Nuckolls with a half parchment and half black interior. When questioning the delivery person they about this advised it use to be a rock stars car. He advised, "The Doors" Morrison when questioned by Nuckolls.

2)   Nuckolls contacted Brett Mattison about this claim after reading an article he had authored.
He called late at night leaving a voice mail. Brett called him back in just a few minutes saying
to him at least 2 times times; "You bought car 1888?"  "From Ron Pinkston? Brett advised
Nuckolls that he was supposed to be buying that car from Pinkston. Nuckolls claims he ask him 3 times to sell the car to him during the conversation. Nuckolls declined having just purchased
his dream car.

3)   An article came out in Mustang Monthly about Morrison's GT500 mentioning car 1888 which was at All Angles Collision Center in Wichita, KS. According to former All Angles owner Bart Brown, Mattison called him wanting details on the car and wanted to come to Kansas and see it. Brown advised that he declined to give him the locations but did answer some questions.

4)   In contacting past owners Nuckolls reached Gary Spear of Albuquerque, NM who had sold 1888 to Ron Pinkston in about 1997. Gary is a car dealer and devoted Ford man. He advises his wife use to work at Richardson Ford in Albuquerque and confirmed through his research with Richardson Ford that 1888 it was Morrison's. Spear interviewed former Richardson Ford General Manager Larry Poole who remembered the car. He verified through micro-fish that the car had been sold to Morrison he told Speer. No copy was ever made. The fish no longer exist.

5)   Nuckolls ask Gary Spear why Electra Records would purchase a GT500 from Richardson Ford in Albuquerque, NM, Spear relied " Ill tell you why" "Morrisons' lived in Albuquerque when Jim was young and after the Light My Fire Album was out Jim would visit Albuquerque seeing his sister and friends and had been seen admiring car 1888 in the showroom at Richardson Ford.

6)   Spear purchased the car from Richard Kreischer, a friend of Spears, also of the Albuquerque area. He owned 1888 from 1987 to 1997. They both bought and sold Ford cars in the Southwest. When Nuckolls contacted Kreischer by phone he told him, "I have been waiting for this call for 25 years. He told Nuckolls unprompted, "You know your car has prominence." "Nuckolls said I've heard that tell me what you know." He then advised that Nuckolls car had been Morrison's. Nuckolls asked both about the interior color question and they advised it had been changed out at the dealership.

7)   While Tony Funchess told reporters and Bart Brown, formerly of All Angles collision center in Wichita that Morrison's car had been wrecked and then crushed, ads in the LA times in Oct 3, 1971 indicate a 67 Shelby GT500 for sale bearing CA auto tag VRD 389, Morrison's tag. The ad stated the car had been stored a while. The staff of Autobiography traced the phone numbers to Ray Wolfe, formerly General manager of Carol Shelby's Hi-Performance Motors, Inc.

Part 3
Physical Condition Report Prior to restoration.

1)   When car 1888 was disassembled for restoration the following damage had been noted:
a.   The car had been hit hard on the right side behind the RH door.
b.   The RH inner wheel well had been pounded out and reused.
c.   The RH quarter panel and rear light panel had been replaced with genuine Ford
replacement parts from the day and had been braised on, a common technique.
in the late 60's.
d.   The car had apparently been jumped hard as the rear bump stops had pushed up the rear floor pan ,the torque boxes were badly damaged and the right one pulled apart and welded back together again.
e.   The roll bar behind the front seats was bent.
The above damage would be consistent with damage sustained by Morrison's car when it hit a light pole and his know habit of jumping the car according to Bret Brown an insurance accident reconstruction expert of Wichita, KS and former owner of All Angles Collision center.

2)   When the car was put on a rotisserie, 6- 357 bullets came out of the defroster vents. Bart Brown
of Wichita talked to Morrison body guard Tony Funchess who confirmed he carried a 357, but Morrison did not.

3)   When the radio was removed from the car it contained with fined desert sand such as in the Joshua Tree desert. I personally disassembled the radio and cleaned this fine sand out. afterwards the radio did work fine and was re-installed.

While the above is circumstantial it is interesting that circumstances surrounding Morrison's car, match damage that was found to car 1888.

According to Kevin Marti Car 1888:
Competed by Shelby American 05/16/1967
Date Order Received: 05/31/1967
Shelby American Invoice Date: 06/01/1967

In summation, Nuckolls has never said his car is Morrison's, but with the narration presented to him by past owners and the damage to 1888 consistent with what is said to have happened to Morrison's he would like to see documentation to prove it's not and to finally put the matter to rest. If the unredacted CA registration card owned by Bret Mattison were presented with the true VIN number or other documents with Morrison's name on it, the matter could be put to rest.

The Producers of Auto Biography advised us on 9/3/2020 they talked to Brett who advised them Morrison's Car was 939. They asked him to send an unredacted copy of the Morrison CA Registration card showing the VIN number which they claim he agreed to but never did.  Then he quit returning their calls.

Frankly, we all know if car 939 is truly Morrison's we would already know the Shelby VIN number so why hide the VIN on the registration card? What's the big secret?

Respectfully,
Kansas

If a copy of the original owners card were posted without the redaction are you and the owner going to publicly apologize and retract your statements?

Are you and the owner of 1888 going to acknowledge Brett's foresight for securing the document?

Are you going to stop spreading the maybe/could-be story?

Even if I had not seen the original document, the interior is telling to me. 1888 was produced with a black interior. No ambiguity there. Deal breaker, not it.

I wonder if all this is leading up to a April Fools in the making

Kansas to clarify more because it is obvious you are not aware or understand that the "A" in the  67400F2 "A" 01888 Shelby vin code stands for black interior. "U" stands for parchment interior . As has been previously mentioned - Deal Breaker! because the Morrison car had parchment. That interior code would have been the first clue for anyone doing serious investigation but has been overlooked because of incompetence or on purpose agenda.  FYI The Ford vin that goes with 939 is known to the 67 Shelby registrar . He also has the Ford vin for car 1888. The Ford vin is typically discouraged to be shared between owners and the public at large.  The registrar has the Ford records which correlate what Ford vin with each Shelby VIN. The registrar will not share those numbers for security of the owners and integrity of the marque as a whole and only confirms or denies a relationship between numbers for specific cars.

I can understand they want to believe the story and can see why they believe what they do.

Unfortunately, a basic understanding of decoding the Shelby VIN disproves all the circumstantial evidence.

If people are serious about finding the truth, they are going to have to explain this discrepancy.

My 68 Dearborn 428 CJ GT  has screens on the defroster vents to prevent anything from falling into them. The holes are too small for a 22 caliber bullet to fall through let alone a 357. I'm assuming 67 San Jose cars have the same screens?

Quote from: Coralsnake on March 02, 2021, 10:08:50 AM
If a copy of the original owners card were posted without the redaction are you and the owner going to publicly apologize and retract your statements?

Are you and the owner of 1888 going to acknowledge Brett's foresight for securing the document?

Are you going to stop spreading the maybe/could-be story?

Even if I had not seen the original document, the interior is telling to me. 1888 was produced with a black interior. No ambiguity there. Deal breaker, not it.

+ 1

Quote from: Bob Gaines on March 02, 2021, 11:12:32 AM
Kansas to clarify more because it is obvious you are not aware or understand that the "A" in the  67400F2 "A" 01888 Shelby vin code stands for black interior. "U" stands for parchment interior . As has been previously mentioned - Deal Breaker! because the Morrison car had parchment. That interior code would have been the first clue for anyone doing serious investigation but has been overlooked because of incompetence or on purpose agenda.  FYI The Ford vin that goes with 939 is known to the 67 Shelby registrar . He also has the Ford vin for car 1888. The Ford vin is typically discouraged to be shared between owners and the public at large.  The registrar has the Ford records which correlate what Ford vin with each Shelby VIN. The registrar will not share those numbers for security of the owners and integrity of the marque as a whole and only confirms or denies a relationship between numbers for specific cars.

+ 1.

Quote from: Coralsnake on March 02, 2021, 11:42:31 AM
I can understand they want to believe the story and can see why they believe what they do.

Unfortunately, a basic understanding of decoding the Shelby VIN disproves all the circumstantial evidence.

If people are serious about finding the truth, they are going to have to explain this discrepancy.

It's all about the BENJAMIN'S,  making a $100K car into a 1 million dollar car

Quote from: 683760 on March 02, 2021, 10:29:54 AM
I wonder if all this is leading up to a April Fools in the making

LMAO great point, I love the drama and suspense.....acting !!!!

"Rick Nuckolls is about as honest a fellow as they come."

But he changes the interior of his car after being told Morrison's car doesn't have a black interior??

Quote from: Kansas on March 02, 2021, 09:57:32 AM
Rick Nuckolls is the current owner of Car 1888. Not all of his story was able to be told in the Auto-Biography Program. He asked me to respectfully share the following information to tell his side of the story.

I am a friend of the owner. I also briefly appeared in the Autobiography Program and am trying to help the owner document this car. We are still in this process. Old information is hard to get.

Rick Nuckolls is about as honest a fellow as they come. The producers of the program contacted him and asked to have his car in the program. We were all in hopes this might help the documented truth to come out. He has never said 1888 is Morrison's car, but has been told by 4 previous owners it is and the car has a lot of circumstantial physical evidence that it could have been based upon stories of damage to Morrison's car. When he bought 1888 in 2009, he was just looking for a Shelby GT500 that he could afford and bring back to life.

1888 came to Kansas under bill of sale had been stored in Attica KS for about 10 years in a building there with the idea the owner Larry Casperson would bring to back to life. He ended up selling the car by Bill of Sale to Ron Pinkston who has a body shop in Wichita who in turn sold the car on Bill of Sale with a   title from NM from Richard Kreischer of NM to Rick Nuckolls.

Car 1888 is listed in the registry and by Kevin Marti and yes it does have a Ford VIN too as was asked by someone on this forum. All Nuckolls has asked from the beginning was the truth and documented proof that 1888 is or isn't the car and that 939 is as many claim.  Instead of being helpful the registry and Brett Mattison have been rather rude and dismissive to Nuckolls as to documentation and told him, Its not the car. He would be grateful to get such documented proof and to put the matter to rest. He is in the middle of 4 past owners who say it is and the SAAC Registry and others who say it's not. Wouldn't you want documented proof one way or the other if it was yours, just to know for sure?

Part 2
How the Morrison 1888 potential connection came about. The New Mexico Connection.
1)   The car in basket case condition was delivered to Nuckolls with a half parchment and half black interior. When questioning the delivery person they about this advised it use to be a rock stars car. He advised, "The Doors" Morrison when questioned by Nuckolls.

2)   Nuckolls contacted Brett Mattison about this claim after reading an article he had authored.
He called late at night leaving a voice mail. Brett called him back in just a few minutes saying
to him at least 2 times times; "You bought car 1888?"  "From Ron Pinkston? Brett advised
Nuckolls that he was supposed to be buying that car from Pinkston. Nuckolls claims he ask him 3 times to sell the car to him during the conversation. Nuckolls declined having just purchased
his dream car.

3)   An article came out in Mustang Monthly about Morrison's GT500 mentioning car 1888 which was at All Angles Collision Center in Wichita, KS. According to former All Angles owner Bart Brown, Mattison called him wanting details on the car and wanted to come to Kansas and see it. Brown advised that he declined to give him the locations but did answer some questions.

4)   In contacting past owners Nuckolls reached Gary Spear of Albuquerque, NM who had sold 1888 to Ron Pinkston in about 1997. Gary is a car dealer and devoted Ford man. He advises his wife use to work at Richardson Ford in Albuquerque and confirmed through his research with Richardson Ford that 1888 it was Morrison's. Spear interviewed former Richardson Ford General Manager Larry Poole who remembered the car. He verified through micro-fish that the car had been sold to Morrison he told Speer. No copy was ever made. The fish no longer exist.

5)   Nuckolls ask Gary Spear why Electra Records would purchase a GT500 from Richardson Ford in Albuquerque, NM, Spear relied " Ill tell you why" "Morrisons' lived in Albuquerque when Jim was young and after the Light My Fire Album was out Jim would visit Albuquerque seeing his sister and friends and had been seen admiring car 1888 in the showroom at Richardson Ford.

6)   Spear purchased the car from Richard Kreischer, a friend of Spears, also of the Albuquerque area. He owned 1888 from 1987 to 1997. They both bought and sold Ford cars in the Southwest. When Nuckolls contacted Kreischer by phone he told him, "I have been waiting for this call for 25 years. He told Nuckolls unprompted, "You know your car has prominence." "Nuckolls said I've heard that tell me what you know." He then advised that Nuckolls car had been Morrison's. Nuckolls asked both about the interior color question and they advised it had been changed out at the dealership.

7)   While Tony Funchess told reporters and Bart Brown, formerly of All Angles collision center in Wichita that Morrison's car had been wrecked and then crushed, ads in the LA times in Oct 3, 1971 indicate a 67 Shelby GT500 for sale bearing CA auto tag VRD 389, Morrison's tag. The ad stated the car had been stored a while. The staff of Autobiography traced the phone numbers to Ray Wolfe, formerly General manager of Carol Shelby's Hi-Performance Motors, Inc.

Part 3
Physical Condition Report Prior to restoration.

1)   When car 1888 was disassembled for restoration the following damage had been noted:
a.   The car had been hit hard on the right side behind the RH door.
b.   The RH inner wheel well had been pounded out and reused.
c.   The RH quarter panel and rear light panel had been replaced with genuine Ford
replacement parts from the day and had been braised on, a common technique.
in the late 60's.
d.   The car had apparently been jumped hard as the rear bump stops had pushed up the rear floor pan ,the torque boxes were badly damaged and the right one pulled apart and welded back together again.
e.   The roll bar behind the front seats was bent.
The above damage would be consistent with damage sustained by Morrison's car when it hit a light pole and his know habit of jumping the car according to Bret Brown an insurance accident reconstruction expert of Wichita, KS and former owner of All Angles Collision center.

2)   When the car was put on a rotisserie, 6- 357 bullets came out of the defroster vents. Bart Brown
of Wichita talked to Morrison body guard Tony Funchess who confirmed he carried a 357, but Morrison did not.

3)   When the radio was removed from the car it contained with fined desert sand such as in the Joshua Tree desert. I personally disassembled the radio and cleaned this fine sand out. afterwards the radio did work fine and was re-installed.

While the above is circumstantial it is interesting that circumstances surrounding Morrison's car, match damage that was found to car 1888.

According to Kevin Marti Car 1888:
Competed by Shelby American 05/16/1967
Date Order Received: 05/31/1967
Shelby American Invoice Date: 06/01/1967

In summation, Nuckolls has never said his car is Morrison's, but with the narration presented to him by past owners and the damage to 1888 consistent with what is said to have happened to Morrison's he would like to see documentation to prove it's not and to finally put the matter to rest. If the unredacted CA registration card owned by Bret Mattison were presented with the true VIN number or other documents with Morrison's name on it, the matter could be put to rest.

The Producers of Auto Biography advised us on 9/3/2020 they talked to Brett who advised them Morrison's Car was 939. They asked him to send an unredacted copy of the Morrison CA Registration card showing the VIN number which they claim he agreed to but never did.  Then he quit returning their calls.

Frankly, we all know if car 939 is truly Morrison's we would already know the Shelby VIN number so why hide the VIN on the registration card? What's the big secret?

Respectfully,
Kansas

Kansas, as an automotive journalist, I would have thought you would have done your research prior to writing something filled with so many inaccuracies. For starters why didn't you contact the 1967 Shelby Registrar or bother to look in the 2011 Shelby Registry and read about Morrison's car. It's all there in clear print including the Vin. number of the Morrison car and where it was sold new. You also didn't visit Brett's web site and view the original registration for Morrison's car which has been shown there for years. The printed Registry information now 10 years old and the original registration is more than enough documented proof that Rick's car is not the Morrison car. The decoded Vin. number has characteristics that Rick's car doesn't have. Rick is a nice guy and has said for years that his car is the Morrison car but being a nice guy doesn't make it so. Facts and documentation make it so. Ford Vin. numbers and being built to the original Ford characteristics make it so.
Maybe the Auto-Biography Program was so inaccurate because they were depending on you and your research for an accurate picture, the research you forgot to do.  Maybe your enthusiasm for this inaccurate ferry tail is preventing Rick from seeing the truth.

Quote from: Kansas on March 02, 2021, 09:57:32 AM
According to Kevin Marti Car 1888:
Competed by Shelby American 05/16/1967
Date Order Received: 05/31/1967
Shelby American Invoice Date: 06/01/1967

Completed after Ford Motor Company took over Shelby American. This accounts for the Z stamped on 1888s VIN tag. 939 was completed and sold prior to Ford assuming the assets of SA so it does not have the Z.

The Doors recorded their first album in 1966. It was released 1-4-67. Morrison probably bought 939 before 1888 was even sent down Ford's San Jose assembly line.

Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 02, 2021, 05:36:05 PM

Quote from: Kansas on March 02, 2021, 09:57:32 AM
According to Kevin Marti Car 1888:
Competed by Shelby American 05/16/1967
Date Order Received: 05/31/1967
Shelby American Invoice Date: 06/01/1967

Completed after Ford Motor Company took over Shelby American. This accounts for the Z stamped on 1888s VIN tag. 939 was completed and sold prior to Ford assuming the assets of SA so it does not have the Z.

The Doors recorded their first album in 1966. It was released 1-4-67. Morrison probably bought 939 before 1888 was even sent down Ford's San Jose assembly line.

Is this new information about the Z? I never heard this before. :o

It's only a theory as I understand it.  :P

Quote from: shelbydoug on March 02, 2021, 06:01:23 PM
Is this new information about the Z? I never heard this before. :o

Doug,

Check the the 1967 Shelby Research Group (www.1967ShelbyResearch.com) about this.  They've been looking into theories to explain the "Z".  One of the working theories is that the "Z" was a way to differentiate the cars built by SA versus Ford.

Quote from: S7MS427 on March 02, 2021, 06:18:08 PM

Quote from: shelbydoug on March 02, 2021, 06:01:23 PM
Is this new information about the Z? I never heard this before. :o

Doug,

Check the the 1967 Shelby Research Group (www.1967ShelbyResearch.com) about this.  They've been looking into theories to explain the "Z".  One of the working theories is that the "Z" was a way to differentiate the cars built by SA versus Ford.

Theory, not fact. OK. I thought the Zorro theory was as good as any.

Quote from: S7MS427 on March 02, 2021, 06:18:08 PM
Check the the 1967 Shelby Research Group (www.1967ShelbyResearch.com) about this.  They've been looking into theories to explain the "Z".  One of the working theories is that the "Z" was a way to differentiate the cars built by SA versus Ford.

So far, it seems to be a pretty well fleshed out explanation with quite a bit of documentation that supports the timing of the entire process.

Personally, I like it a lot better than the "don't rob parts off this car cause it's finished explanation". Truth is it is likely no explanation will be proven beyond a doubt.

To Kansas; I don't see the registrar's job as including the responsibility of disproving unsubstantiated claims.

Quote from: 2112 on March 03, 2021, 02:22:43 AM

Quote from: S7MS427 on March 02, 2021, 06:18:08 PM
Check the the 1967 Shelby Research Group (www.1967ShelbyResearch.com) about this.  They've been looking into theories to explain the "Z".  One of the working theories is that the "Z" was a way to differentiate the cars built by SA versus Ford.

So far, it seems to be a pretty well fleshed out explanation with quite a bit of documentation that supports the timing of the entire process.

Personally, I like it a lot better than the "don't rob parts off this car cause it's finished explanation". Truth is it is likely no explanation will be proven beyond a doubt.

To Kansas; I don't see the registrar's job as including the responsibility of disproving unsubstantiated claims.

Sounds like another conspiracy theory that so many are willing to believe to me.

Why is it necessary for anyone to know who was in charge when the car was built? Ford was always paying the bills.

Quote from: shelbydoug on March 03, 2021, 07:37:02 AM

Quote from: 2112 on March 03, 2021, 02:22:43 AM

Quote from: S7MS427 on March 02, 2021, 06:18:08 PM
Check the the 1967 Shelby Research Group (www.1967ShelbyResearch.com) about this.  They've been looking into theories to explain the "Z".  One of the working theories is that the "Z" was a way to differentiate the cars built by SA versus Ford.

So far, it seems to be a pretty well fleshed out explanation with quite a bit of documentation that supports the timing of the entire process.

Personally, I like it a lot better than the "don't rob parts off this car cause it's finished explanation". Truth is it is likely no explanation will be proven beyond a doubt.

To Kansas; I don't see the registrar's job as including the responsibility of disproving unsubstantiated claims.

Sounds like another conspiracy theory that so many are willing to believe to me.

Why is it necessary for anyone to know who was in charge when the car was built? Ford was always paying the bills.

                              Z .... the special edition

Quote from: shelbydoug on March 03, 2021, 07:37:02 AM

Quote from: 2112 on March 03, 2021, 02:22:43 AM

Quote from: S7MS427 on March 02, 2021, 06:18:08 PM
Check the the 1967 Shelby Research Group (www.1967ShelbyResearch.com) about this.  They've been looking into theories to explain the "Z".  One of the working theories is that the "Z" was a way to differentiate the cars built by SA versus Ford.

So far, it seems to be a pretty well fleshed out explanation with quite a bit of documentation that supports the timing of the entire process.

Personally, I like it a lot better than the "don't rob parts off this car cause it's finished explanation". Truth is it is likely no explanation will be proven beyond a doubt.

To Kansas; I don't see the registrar's job as including the responsibility of disproving unsubstantiated claims.

Sounds like another conspiracy theory that so many are willing to believe to me.

Why is it necessary for anyone to know who was in charge when the car was built? Ford was always paying the bills.

Warranty billing was a big thing. Ford accounting is broken into many accounts and budgets need to be kept track of. The Z would mean warranty costs would be charged to Ford and no Z meant that warranty would be expensed to the Shelby American account. They were their own company separate from Ford until around April 67 when Shelby's 1962 startup loan from Ford came due and he couldn't pay. That is when Shelby American became a race contractor to Ford. You'll notice on the '68 TA cars it says "Shelby Racing Co" on the fender.
Now if we could only find a service writer, dealer or FMC accountant  from back in the day who could tell us for sure where the charges went.

Quote from: FL SAAC on March 03, 2021, 10:14:20 AM

Quote from: shelbydoug on March 03, 2021, 07:37:02 AM

Quote from: 2112 on March 03, 2021, 02:22:43 AM

Quote from: S7MS427 on March 02, 2021, 06:18:08 PM
Check the the 1967 Shelby Research Group (www.1967ShelbyResearch.com) about this.  They've been looking into theories to explain the "Z".  One of the working theories is that the "Z" was a way to differentiate the cars built by SA versus Ford.

So far, it seems to be a pretty well fleshed out explanation with quite a bit of documentation that supports the timing of the entire process.

Personally, I like it a lot better than the "don't rob parts off this car cause it's finished explanation". Truth is it is likely no explanation will be proven beyond a doubt.

To Kansas; I don't see the registrar's job as including the responsibility of disproving unsubstantiated claims.

Sounds like another conspiracy theory that so many are willing to believe to me.

Why is it necessary for anyone to know who was in charge when the car was built? Ford was always paying the bills.

                              Z .... the special edition

I saw a dude dressed just like this running around in the shadows on Wilshire one night after midnight.

Just an observation

Mr Kansas posted, then didnt come back to the forum to refute any of the challenges to his version of events

or explain why 1888 does not match the Morrison car build or its original configuration

Quote from: Coralsnake on March 03, 2021, 01:37:40 PM
Just an observation

Mr Kansas posted, then didnt come back to the forum to refute any of the challenges to his version oc events

or explain why 1888 does match the Morrison car build or its original configuration

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Quote from: Coralsnake on March 03, 2021, 01:37:40 PM
Just an observation

Mr Kansas posted, then didnt come back to the forum to refute any of the challenges to his version of a events

or explain why 1888 does match the Morrison car build or its original configuration

My guess is that they are waiting for the results of the silica tests comparing the sand in the cowl vents to the sand where Jim was doing donuts in the desert area.  Rumor has it that it will be 99% match.

As my Grandmother would say "you can't make sense out of nonsense"

I hope this topic/car never comes up again - unless the actual car is found and proven before anything is posted!

Quote from: Coralsnake on March 03, 2021, 01:37:40 PM
Just an observation

Mr Kansas posted, then didnt come back to the forum to refute any of the challenges to his version of events

or explain why 1888 does not match the Morrison car build or its original configuration

I watched a documentary on Netflix last night "Made You Look."  It's about the $80 million in forged paintings sold thru a noted NYC gallery.

The paintings had all kinds of supposed provenance, documents, appraisals, and professional inspections from some of the top art museums, and all were determined to be authentic (and amazingly previously unknown) works. 

All were sold to the gallery by an anonymous "Mister X" . Really, that's the guy's name used.  An intermediary broker (a woman no one in the art world had ever heard of) did the face-to-face deals with the gallery.

The gallery contracted with Sotheby's, who then auctioned most of these, at $millions each.

Many of the top art collectors excitedly bought them. Some others went on-display at art museums.

But, these paintings were eventually found out to ALL be forgeries, painted in 2000 and later.  The FBI got involved.

The Chinese guy who painted them all could be a master-painter himself, but he got involved with the scam, and that's that.

How does this apply to Shelbys and other collectible cars?  Hmmmmmm.

Side-Oilers post reminded me of a story that has very little to do with Jim Morrison's 1967 Shelby GT500 Mustang - but what the hell.

There was a successful illustrator that lived in the same artist community and was friends with Normal Rockwell.

Rockwell gave this guy one of his illustrations as a gift.

This illustrator passed away and his sons inherited the Rockwell painting and they loaned it out to a Norman Rockwell retrospective show.

A painting expert looked at it, and thought it didn't look right. On closer inspection this expert concluded that it was not painted by Norman Rockwell, but was a well done forgery.

The gallery and the sons were flabbergasted. This "Norman Rockwell" painting had an ironclad provenance. But the "expert" stood by his claim.

A short time later, when the family house was being readied for sale, the sons began the process of emptying out their home. When they were cleaning out the room in the house that the father used as his studio for years, they discovered a false wall in his studio, and to there amazement, hidden in that false wall was the Normal Rockwell painting that had been given to their father.

They speculated that, when their parent's (who were divorced) split looked imminent, their father, who was very talented and successful in his own right, did a painstaking copy of the Rockwell and then hid the original, fearing that he might lose the painting in the divorce.

Now the two paintings are often displayed side-by-side.

- Phillip

Quote from: Side-Oilers on March 03, 2021, 05:53:07 PM

Quote from: Coralsnake on March 03, 2021, 01:37:40 PM
Just an observation

Mr Kansas posted, then didnt come back to the forum to refute any of the challenges to his version of events

or explain why 1888 does not match the Morrison car build or its original configuration

I watched a documentary on Netflix last night "Made You Look."  It's about the $80 million in forged paintings sold thru a noted NYC gallery.

The paintings had all kinds of supposed provenance, documents, appraisals, and professional inspections from some of the top art museums, and all were determined to be authentic (and amazingly previously unknown) works. 

All were sold to the gallery by an anonymous "Mister X" . Really, that's the guy's name used.  An intermediary broker (a woman no one in the art world had ever heard of) did the face-to-face deals with the gallery.

The gallery contracted with Sotheby's, who then auctioned most of these, at $millions each.

Many of the top art collectors excitedly bought them. Some others went on-display at art museums.

But, these paintings were eventually found out to ALL be forgeries, painted in 2000 and later.  The FBI got involved.

The Chinese guy who painted them all could be a master-painter himself, but he got involved with the scam, and that's that.

How does this apply to Shelbys and other collectible cars?  Hmmmmmm.

Sounds like some Cobra deals - I know of at least one where the cops took the $250,000 Cobra he paid for and handed him back a $40,000 special construction car with a CA VIN. That was after he pleaded with them not to crush it. The only reason he got the car back was he was also a victim and the seller like the IMF denied all knowledge. When you hand someone a bag of cash you take your chances.

Well, let's hear it for the experts.

For the registrars that volunteer their time to maintain the integrity of our hobby and as a thank you take a lot of crap I'm sure.

Wish we still had the beer mug emoji...

- Phillip

Quote from: propayne on March 03, 2021, 08:21:47 PM
Well, let's hear it for the experts.

For the registrars that volunteer their time to maintain the integrity of our hobby and as a thank you take a lot of crap I'm sure.

Wish we still had the beer mug emoji...

- Phillip

+1

Quote from: propayne on March 03, 2021, 06:21:36 PM
Side-Oilers post reminded me of a story that has very little to do with Jim Morrison's 1967 Shelby GT500 Mustang - but what the hell.

There was a successful illustrator that lived in the same artist community and was friends with Normal Rockwell.

Rockwell gave this guy one of his illustrations as a gift.

This illustrator passed away and his sons inherited the Rockwell painting and they loaned it out to a Norman Rockwell retrospective show.

A painting expert looked at it, and thought it didn't look right. On closer inspection this expert concluded that it was not painted by Norman Rockwell, but was a well done forgery.

The gallery and the sons were flabbergasted. This "Norman Rockwell" painting had an ironclad provenance. But the "expert" stood by his claim.

A short time later, when the family house was being readied for sale, the sons began the process of emptying out their home. When they were cleaning out the room in the house that the father used as his studio for years, they discovered a false wall in his studio, and to there amazement, hidden in that false wall was the Normal Rockwell painting that had been given to their father.

They speculated that, when their parent's (who were divorced) split looked imminent, their father, who was very talented and successful in his own right, did a painstaking copy of the Rockwell and then hid the original, fearing that he might lose the painting in the divorce.

Now the two paintings are often displayed side-by-side.

- Phillip

I watched that, it was a good show.

Quote from: propayne on March 03, 2021, 06:21:36 PM
Side-Oilers post reminded me of a story that has very little to do with Jim Morrison's 1967 Shelby GT500 Mustang - but what the hell.

There was a successful illustrator that lived in the same artist community and was friends with Normal Rockwell.

Rockwell gave this guy one of his illustrations as a gift.

This illustrator passed away and his sons inherited the Rockwell painting and they loaned it out to a Norman Rockwell retrospective show.

A painting expert looked at it, and thought it didn't look right. On closer inspection this expert concluded that it was not painted by Norman Rockwell, but was a well done forgery.

The gallery and the sons were flabbergasted. This "Norman Rockwell" painting had an ironclad provenance. But the "expert" stood by his claim.

A short time later, when the family house was being readied for sale, the sons began the process of emptying out their home. When they were cleaning out the room in the house that the father used as his studio for years, they discovered a false wall in his studio, and to there amazement, hidden in that false wall was the Normal Rockwell painting that had been given to their father.

They speculated that, when their parent's (who were divorced) split looked imminent, their father, who was very talented and successful in his own right, did a painstaking copy of the Rockwell and then hid the original, fearing that he might lose the painting in the divorce.

Now the two paintings are often displayed side-by-side.

- Phillip

All I can say is "good job" to the dad.