A smaller version of this photo was posted in the "Shelby American History" section.
It was in the "Shelby American; transporters and support vehicles" thread with no added info.
Looking for more info I came across this photo without any captions or notes.
Can anyone confirm the location and or date (possible LAX 1966) or ID either of the two cars?
The CA plate number of the '66 GT350 is "SQG 576" Thanks for any help?
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Really nice photo an great post!
I was just going to say, that does look like LAX in the day—which Day—I don't know—perhaps there is a plane aficionado who can identify the make, model and year of the jet in the background.
I wonder if it's a publicity photo by Shelby?
Tin
I should have looked into the plane. It matches the R&T cover photo, so it appears to be at LAX to the northwest of the two hangers.
(Thanks to SFM66H for the scanned photo)
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-230318113401.jpeg)
Quote from: Tinface on March 23, 2018, 11:20:40 AM
Really nice photo an great post!
I was just going to say, that does look like LAX in the day—which Day—I don't know—perhaps there is a plane aficionado who can identify the make, model and year of the jet in the background.
I wonder if it's a publicity photo by Shelby?
Tin
If you are referring to the jet shown way in the background just above the rear window of the Shelby, it's a Boeing 727. Probably a 727-100 model which first entered service in February of 1963. It was a favorite of medium haul airlines for over 20 years, finally being retired in 1984.
Spent some time on a few of them. You didn't want to sit near the back, as the triple engines were directly attached to the back end of the main airframe as opposed to being mounted on the wings (two aside the fuselage, one built into the tail). This arrangement made it VERY noisy back there!
Does look like LAX with United Airlines terminal in background which was across the field from SA.
I'd say that the Cobra is CSX2085, the Bob Gage Cobra....as to what #? the black 1966 Shelby GT350 is....the Registry has no mention of Bob as an owner (maybe it was a loaner?). The prop plane looks to Shelby's own if you notice the CS logo up by the nose in the Lime Green Road and Track photo.
Kranky
Also note the car has no roof stripes ( eliminating a Hertz) and a right side Rotunda mirror. That should really narrow down the possibilities. "I" have never seen a black Hertz car without roof stripes ( back in the day).
Quote from: gt350hr on March 23, 2018, 05:47:30 PM
Also note the car has no roof stripes ( eliminating a Hertz) and a right side Rotunda mirror. That should really narrow down the possibilities. "I" have never seen a black Hertz car without roof stripes ( back in the day).
I would have thought the White side stripes would have eliminated it as a Hertz ?
But then again, looking at some other B+W photos of Hertz cars it is hard to tell Gold from white.
Also no H on the side stripe.
Awesome photo. Thanks for Sharing
I think it's safe to say the plane is Shelby's and the '66 GT350 is not a Hertz.
The GT350 paint color could be Ivy Green (246) or Raven Black (89) in non Hertz cars. I'm guessing it is black.
Kranky,
Thanks for noting your thoughts on the Cobra being csx2085.
Without a MFG plate on the GT350, it's hard to believe it is a loaner. Maybe a friends car, if not Bob's.
Quote from: Richstang on March 23, 2018, 06:47:19 PM
I think it's safe to say the plane is Shelby's and the '66 GT350 is not a Hertz.
The GT350 paint color could be Ivy Green (246) or Raven Black (89) in non Hertz cars. I'm guessing it is black.
Kranky,
Thanks for noting your thoughts on the Cobra being csx2085.
Without a MFG plate on the GT350, it's hard to believe it is a loaner. Maybe a friends car, if not Bob's.
Hi Rich, +1 on it being black car white side stripes non Hertz car.
also that should read 29 not 89
And take out the black cars with over the top stripes and your down to 20 odd ?
Would a company car like 6S2020 have worn MFG plates or regular lic plates?
And if regular plates were worn at SAI, would new regular plates been fitted when car sold after they closed down LAX operation?
Quote from: 6s2020 on March 23, 2018, 07:03:07 PM
Quote from: Richstang on March 23, 2018, 06:47:19 PM
I think it's safe to say the plane is Shelby's and the '66 GT350 is not a Hertz.
The GT350 paint color could be Ivy Green (246) or Raven Black (89) in non Hertz cars. I'm guessing it is black.
Kranky,
Thanks for noting your thoughts on the Cobra being csx2085.
Without a MFG plate on the GT350, it's hard to believe it is a loaner. Maybe a friends car, if not Bob's.
Hi Rich, +1 on it being black car white side stripes non Hertz car.
also that should read 29 not 89
And take out the black cars with over the top stripes and your down to 20 odd ?
Would a company car like 6S2020 have worn MFG plates or regular lic plates?
And if regular plates were worn at SAI, would new regular plates been fitted when car sold after they closed down LAX operation?
Thank you for the correction Darryll. I guess 89 was a registry typo?
Looking at my LAX photos I think you may be right. It seems there were company cars with standard issue CA plates. As far as I know, whenever a car is sold in the US, the new registered owner typically gets new plates issued. However I have heard of CA black plates getting transferred to the next owner. Maybe a California resident can confirm.
The GT350 also looks to have a Cobra emblem in the grille in place of the typical horse...
According to our License Plate Records the plate SQG 576 was assigned to GT350 is 6S1809 - CHARLES C. GREEN LEASE 8/12/66. This information was provided to me by Howard.
Dennis
Which means the Cobra is CSX2526, black/red interior. The same airport picture is in the latest SAAC registry for 6S1809 (black), with all the info. What a sight that sharp pair of cars would have been to have seen!
Thanks Dennis...Thanks "427 Cobra"
Looking in the '66 footnotes the GT350 was leased for only 4 months?!?
4/13/66 - 8/12/66
:o
Rich,
These are the notes that I have on this car on my license plate records:
"CHARLES C. GREEN LEASE 8/12/66 (4/13/66 - 8/12/66) - My records show this car going to Detroit, MI"
The first comments came from Howard and I added to comment about the car going to Detroit.
Dennis
Great photo
Re: DC3 aircraft
Has there ever been any investigation on Shelby's DC3 company plane? How long was it used? Was it replaced by another corporate aircraft? Is it still around? What is the ID number? Unlike cars, aircraft ID numbers are closely tracked.
68countrysedan,
Good questions. Hope someone can provide answers.
In reference, to the picture, of the Cobra and Shelby, parked next to what, was probably
Shelby's DC-3.
This spot, is located, to the east, of the North American hangers, that Shelby, occupied.
Directly across the 24 runways, you can see Continental Airlines terminal. You can make
out the "Meatballs" on the tails, part of Continental's livery, for their 727's.
Additionally, Directly above the Cobra, you can just make out a TWA 707 taxiing out, for
take-off. TWA's all white livery, is hard to see, but the red arrow from the nose to the tail
is quite visible.
I worked for TWA, at LAX, during this period and I was fortunate, to see, row after row of
Cobras and Shelby's lined up, outside the SA hangers. And occasionally, at night, if the
hanger doors were open, you would get a look, at the GT40's inside.
It was those memories, from back then, that interested me, later, in acquiring, a copy of
the painting, " Shelby LAX " by David Snyder.
Doug
An airplanes tail number stays with the plane throughout its existence, unless maybe it is transferred out of the country. The Shelby liveried DC3 / C47 should be traceable by its tail number. I was able to locate my Grandfathers WACO F2, bought new by my Great Grandmother in 1931 to its present owner, it still carried the same tail number even though it started on the east coast and ended up on the west coast.
68countrysedan, interesting about the Shelby planes, I have a photo which I posted on the old forum of a Lear jet landing, or taking off, maybe just making a low pass, but the gear is down, as are the wing flaps ??? on what looks to be the track :o at Kent in 1967, might have been for the last Trans Am race that year. the info I had with that image said Carroll was on board ? the regi for that Lear (s/n 24-126) was N653LJ, and it was owned by Friedkin Ent. at the time. I never had any solid information regarding that episode ?
Mike
I am always a sucker for vintage photos of cars on trailers like this, thanks for sharing!
What does the GT350 say on the fender? I tried to blow it up but too blurry. Looks like it may be the early Cobra Owners Club of America decal on the fender and windshield.
Couldn't upload: http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/5728
(http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/data/500/10262cocoa_decal.jpg)
Coming back to the Shelby DC-3 for a moment, if someone knows the tail # you might start here. all that depends on if the plane was registered to Shelby American, or some other name ? there are hundreds of them here.
http://www.dc3history.org/locateadc3bynumber.html
Mike
Hello,
because i am on this photo analyse thing in my own thread ;) i try to located on this bird view pic from LAX
(https://abload.de/img/sai_moved_into_this_foqjwp.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=sai_moved_into_this_foqjwp.jpg)
is this right ?
I think so because the curve style is only here to find, i am shocked how distorted Buildings an so look on photos.
Stephan / Steve
Looks pretty accurate of a location to me. Of course, the wide angle lens will make the edges of the photo curved a bit.
I wonder what year that photo was taken? I'd guess it's after Shelby's time there, due to what looks like a vast number of oil/grease spots on the concrete this side of the blast wall.
Also, it looks like the area for the North Runway had already been mostly cleared of houses. I lived just about where the top of the magazine you laid over the photo would be. That runway clearing project began around 1964 and went through about 1968-69, IIRC.
Other thoughts?
I cant say ist exactly, sometimes i only copy and paste pics from internet,
without the exact source...
in the subtitle of the pics are standing
SAI_moved_into_this_facility_at_LAX_in_May_1965
But I agree with you that it is made after the Shelby American because it is very clear and the oil spots of one hangar ...
Did the DC-3 go up for auction "recently"?? (Seem to remember a posting listing it, I did a quick search but didn't find anything)