I was just wondering if any of the 65 carryover cars were made into Hertz cars? Thank You
I think one was the Hertz "prototype"
I was aware of this one...number 10? Raises another question for me, is it a " carryover" as well?
Hertz prototype where would i find more info?
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Quote from: Clone65 on November 30, 2020, 03:20:50 PM
I was aware of this one...number 10? Raises another question for me, is it a " carryover" as well?
Hertz prototype where would i find more info?
Not #10 but #1. See history in registry. I think it was the only one to get the interesting vinyl top treatment(thank God).
The ONLY carryover used for Hertz was THE prototype 6S048. Originally white "standard issue" carryover. Painted black , Cragars , 4speed , delivered to Hertz for testing. many pictures. "I" am not positive it was "put into service" . Greg Kolasa "might" know but there are discrepancies in his latest offerings. 048 is M.I.A. and has never been since seen as far as I know.
More info leads to more questions. Need me a copy of this Registry. Thanks
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Quote from: Clone65 on November 30, 2020, 03:20:50 PM
I was aware of this one...number 10? Raises another question for me, is it a " carryover" as well?
Hertz prototype where would i find more info?
That is 6S001 as Bob stated but it was not a "carry over" but instead a Mustang converted to a 66 Shelby - Carriers a
11966 Mustang Ford VIN rather than a 65 one like the "carry overs"
Wow that would make quite the story.
So only 1 carryover and it is THE prototype for Hertz and whereabouts no known.
How many prototypes in the 66 year?
Sorry as i do not have a Registry (yet).
2 for Hertz. The other later (66 chassis) was an automatic. The number is in the registry book
Quote from: J_Speegle on November 30, 2020, 04:04:51 PM
Quote from: Clone65 on November 30, 2020, 03:20:50 PM
I was aware of this one...number 10? Raises another question for me, is it a " carryover" as well?
Hertz prototype where would i find more info?
That is 6S001 as Bob stated but it was not a "carry over" but instead a Mustang converted to a 66 Shelby - Carriers a 11966 Mustang Ford VIN rather than a 65 one like the "carry overs"
Jeff,
If you're saying that 6S001 has a 1966 Ford VIN I'd appreciate some sort of explanation. Obviously without sharing the actual VIN.
I know that 6S001, as a prototype, was not acquired through the same ordering process as the other cars considered carryovers. But prototypes usually get built before production starts for the rest of the cars of a particular year model. If the other carryovers were built from 1965 chassis because the 1966 chassis were not available yet, how did the prototype (that proceeded them) get a 1966 chassis?
Based on everything I know 6S001 must have a 1965 Ford VIN. And therefore it fits the "general definition" of a carryover – a 1965 Mustang that was converted into a 1966 GT350. Hence the often quoted number of 252 carryovers.
But you have certainly piqued my interest. If you have information that contradicts what I've written here, please share. I'm always ready to learn something new. And this wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.
Thanks,
Steve
Not sure what I was thinking when I posted - must have been too much time spent online buying Christmas presents. 6S001 does have a 65 Mustang VIN (struck through comment in the reply above). Glad to be wrong on something so easy and quickly caught and corrected
Thanks for the catch - important to have the correct information out there
In the general context I would offer that any car could have been chosen (if time allowed and were available) to be the prototype just like any car on site (Mustangs) could have been picked to become the first production Shelby since the conversion on site by SA
Thanks, Jeff. I appreciate the speedy reply and correction. We all have one of "those days" every now and then.
I notice that you let stand your remark about 6S001 not being a carryover. I guess we'll agree to disagree on that point.
As the prototype, 6S001 does not share the exact same production history of the other 251 cars. But it does fit the generally accepted definition of a carryover – a car that started out as a 1965 Mustang and was built into a 1966 GT350. Phrased another way, it's a 1966 GT350 with a 1965 Ford VIN.
And, in a way, 6S001 is the father of the other 251 cars. An honored member of the carryover family in my mind. Yes, it's also the father of the full production, 1966 chassis GT350's, but they are a different branch of the family having come from the new, 1966, mother. Ha, ha!
I hope you understand that last paragraph is a combination play on words and a joke. I sometimes get misunderstood when I try to inject a little humor into my posts.
Steve
Sooo the other 66 prototype, 48, if that is the Hertz prototype? What number is the car that is shown somewhere with T Bird taillights and a spoiler? Was that #1 just reconfigured. If not would that be 3 protptypes?
048 The initial Hertz "demonstrator" was simply a color change to black and gold , not a "special build" so to speak.
Quote from: Clone65 on December 02, 2020, 12:18:14 PM
Sooo the other 66 prototype, 48, if that is the Hertz prototype? What number is the car that is shown somewhere with T Bird taillights and a spoiler? Was that #1 just reconfigured. If not would that be 3 protptypes?
I can't remember the number of the car, but I think they used a 1965 GT350 to test the taillight and spoiler variations.
Steve
010 IIRC
Quote from: gt350hr on December 02, 2020, 12:42:32 PM
048 The initial Hertz "demonstrator" was simply a color change to black and gold , not a "special build" so to speak.
Randy,
I've always heard 048 referred to as the first Hertz "prototype," but your use of the word "demonstrator" and the explanation you supplied deserve some consideration.
In general terms I think of a prototype as a car that has some of the most significant features of a new model, and is used to judge whether to continue, kill, or modify a design concept.
I think of a demonstrator as a car that has all (or most) of the significant features of a new model, and is used to demonstrate how the final product will appear and function. In particular, a car that you can drive to find out if you like a particular model.
Between those two, I think I'll stick with "prototype" to describe 048. But that's based on my personal perception of the meanings of those words. Dictionary definitions may lead to a different conclusion.
To check on that I went to Mirriam-Webster.com and came up with the following.
Prototype:
1: an original model on which something is patterned : ARCHETYPE
2: an individual that exhibits the essential features of a later type
3: a standard or typical example
4: a first full-scale and usually functional form of a new type or design of a construction (such as an airplane)
Demonstrator:
: one that demonstrates:
a: a product (such as an automobile) used to demonstrate performance or merits to prospective buyers
b: a person who engages in a public demonstration
Looking at those, it seems to me that 048 fits the definition of both prototype and demonstrator. I'm sticking with "prototype," but only because of personal preference. Obviously a good case can be made for either one.
What fun! Thank you for making me think about this.
Steve
^ That's it...one of the advanced prototypes 5010.
It's unique, but I've gotten accustomed to the stock t-lights on the 65-66's. I'm glad they didn't take that T-Bird route.
It would have been interesting if Ford changed them to individual lights in 1966 as a few Mustang Prototypes showed.
Steve call it what you like. I only "suggested" it's more like a demonstrater because the only change was the paint/stripe scheme. No change to anything else "on that car" for presentation to Hertz. "To me" prototype is more like a major change. I have called it the prototype forever and just recently looked at it differently. To"may"to or To"mah"to , All good.
Edited to correct my error , sorry Rich.
Quote from: Clone65 on December 02, 2020, 12:18:14 PM
Sooo the other 66 prototype, 48, if that is the Hertz prototype? What number is the car that is shown somewhere with T Bird taillights and a spoiler? Was that #1 just reconfigured. If not would that be 3 protptypes?
5S319 ??
that car had nothing to do with Hertz project, it proceeds that activity by some time, if I recall?
regards,
jim p
Whatever you all want to call 6S048, I just want to call it mine.
Now I just need to find it.
Brent
The last I saw of 0010, it was at Tony Conover's shop a half dozen years ago. Vinyl top, T-Bird lights. It was at SAAC 25 at Lime Rock as I remember.
Quote from: alexgt350h on December 03, 2020, 06:57:21 PM
Whatever you all want to call 6S048, I just want to call it mine.
Now I just need to find it.
Brent
+1 on that!!! My personal opinion ( sadly) is that eastern weather got to the body when the cars were low in value and it was scrapped. I have ZERO proof , it's just a hunch based on no one knowing anything about it for 40+ years. It sure as hell would look good in MY driveway!
Randy
Thanks to all of you who contributed to this question I asked, of course more arise. I hope all have learned as I did.
Yes where is 6s048????
Quote from: Cobrask8 on December 04, 2020, 07:43:25 AM
The last I saw of 0010, it was at Tony Conover's shop a half dozen years ago. Vinyl top, T-Bird lights. It was at SAAC 25 at Lime Rock as I remember.
Saw it back in the early 2000's at the Nor Cal SAAC BBQ - came out in an enclosed trailer for a brief showing.