Lots of photos here. Just use the search feature.
https://www.thehenryford.org/collections-and-research/digital-collections
Very kool site
Thanks for posting
Very interesting - great link!
I found the photo of Carroll Shelby taking a catnap on the rear deck of a 1964 Falcon Sprint to be very interesting. Looking at the car it has a roll cage and aftermarket wheels / tires. Sure would like to know more about that one!
Great link ! thanks !
Interesting pic (second one down in the link) of a '67 GT350 w LAX terminal in the background, one for Szabo to give the exact
location.
Mike
https://www.thehenryford.org/explore/blog/the-shelby-mustang-gt350r-the-pony-car-goes-racing/
Royce, I couldn't find the photo you are talking about, but is it this one that I have in my files ? I "believe" ? ? this is the chassis
test mule for the GT350, was talked about here before, maybe on forum 1. I have more pics of it.
Mike
(photo: Dave friedman)
Quote from: honker on December 14, 2020, 12:21:37 PM
Great link ! thanks !
Interesting pic (second one down in the link) of a '67 GT350 w LAX terminal in the background, one for Szabo to give the exact
location.
Mike
https://www.thehenryford.org/explore/blog/the-shelby-mustang-gt350r-the-pony-car-goes-racing/
I've been looking at this LAX photo for a while..it's an early '67 with a slanted grille, no emblem, and large letter Goodyear tires.
We can see something is attached inside of the right vent window (with suction cups?).
There is a rear view of this same car in the same location.
Just recently a small thumbnail view was shown in one of the German websites magazine archives...
If we're lucky Stephan/Szabo can retrieve it and hopefully there is some info with it too. (fingers crossed)
Quote from: honker on December 14, 2020, 12:43:23 PM
Royce, I couldn't find the photo you are talking about, but is it this one that I have in my files ? I "believe" ? ? this is the chassis
test mule for the GT350, was talked about here before, maybe on forum 1. I have more pics of it.
Mike
(photo: Dave friedman)
Sure that's CS? This man looks stockier than Carroll. And I wouldn't think CS would ever wear clod-hopper shoes like that.
Side-Oilers, when I posted that photo I wondered if it was the old man myself, that might not be the photo that Royce is talking
about ?
Mike
Quote from: Side-Oilers on December 14, 2020, 01:17:22 PM
Quote from: honker on December 14, 2020, 12:43:23 PM
Royce, I couldn't find the photo you are talking about, but is it this one that I have in my files ? I "believe" ? ? this is the chassis
test mule for the GT350, was talked about here before, maybe on forum 1. I have more pics of it.
Mike
(photo: Dave friedman)
Sure that's CS? This man looks stockier than Carroll. And I wouldn't think CS would ever wear clod-hopper shoes like that.
I don't think that is CS either. And not exactly napping, or was just woken up (he's flipping someone off....)
Quote from: Richstang on December 14, 2020, 01:12:30 PM
Quote from: honker on December 14, 2020, 12:21:37 PM
Great link ! thanks !
Interesting pic (second one down in the link) of a '67 GT350 w LAX terminal in the background, one for Szabo to give the exact
location.
Mike
https://www.thehenryford.org/explore/blog/the-shelby-mustang-gt350r-the-pony-car-goes-racing/
I've been looking at this LAX photo for a while..it's an early '67 with a slanted grille, no emblem, and large letter Goodyear tires.
We can see something is attached inside of the right vent window (with suction cups?).
There is a rear view of this same car in the same location.
Just recently a small thumbnail view was shown in one of the German websites magazine archives...
If we're lucky Stephan/Szabo can retrieve it and hopefully there is some info with it too. (fingers crossed)
Hello you two,
Thank you for inviting me to the party, I hope I can help a little.
Unfortunately there is no aerial photo of SAI on LAX where you can see the
two hangars AND the theme building together.
So I got the current Google Air View Pic and added a few lines
(https://abload.de/img/laxwiththemebuildingmiksy.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=laxwiththemebuildingmiksy.png)
The theme building was a very popular photo motif in the background, the fence between the car
and building was only permeable in two places to the actual runway for aircraft.
(Purple line with two passes)
If you see the theme building and the terminal building in one line on a motif,
the vehicle is at the upper exit (right side on the picture)
if it is offset from one another, it is at the lower entrance (left side on the picture)
Most of the "prototypes/early Production" have been photographed at the lower entrance,
not far from Hangar 9 where prototypes were built.
see the other 67 GT500 Pic and the 5s003 1965 GT350
(https://abload.de/img/adad9eae-97f2-4998-8asgkh1.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=adad9eae-97f2-4998-8asgkh1.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/5fwkjw.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=5fwkjw.jpg)
the other example is from 67 Production where you can see both building standing in one line behind each other.
(https://abload.de/img/27056351439_2802033aargj6i.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=27056351439_2802033aargj6i.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/screenshot_2020-11-09i7jy3.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=screenshot_2020-11-09i7jy3.png)
The overview pic with the fence, the gates and the linies (red/yellow) from current Air view Pic and the Cars all together...
(https://abload.de/img/160kg1.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=160kg1.jpg)
There were 20 white GT 350's that had a scoop light. One of those was a hub cap equipped car. So, we're down to 19. Likley the "press car". Don't recall the number of that one.
Quote from: roddster on December 14, 2020, 04:34:55 PM
There were 20 white GT 350's that had a scoop light. One of those was a hub cap equipped car. So, we're down to 19. Likley the "press car". Don't recall the number of that one.
It appears there were slightly less than 20 white painted GT350s built with the upper scoop lights.
Cars such as VIN #0025 were not completed until June 1967 (according to SAI documents). The #0025 owner has confirmed it didn't have the scoop lights.
Another white car was also reported (2011 registry) without the scoop lights. It too was confirmed the previous owner not to have them.
The first white car completed, a GT350, was #0018.
It was equipped with the MagStar wheels (per the SAI PO) as were all of the first ~400 Shelby GT's built and shipped out of Ford's San Jose factory.
#0018 was noted to be displayed at the 1966 LA auto show (Oct 27-Nov 6, 1966) according to Chris Brown and the 2017 Mecum Kissimmee auction listing.
The white car with 'hubcaps' (wheel covers) is only known because of the photo in the Canadian 'Track and Traffic' January 1967 magazine.
It is believed to be #0018. #0018 was sent to Michigan as Ray Geddes company car.
While in Michigan it likely became the test bed for the 15" steel rims fitted with the Thunderbird wheel covers (Shelby center caps inserts).
Geddes (or Shelby) was looking for ways to reduce unit costs with a standard base wheel.
Once approved, production cars were shipped with steel rims as an alternative to the upgraded customer (Shelby American) supplied wheels.
#0050, another white GT350, was also used for PR purposes and first appeared in the 'Popular Hot Rodding' February 1967 magazine.
It was not completed by SAI until ~3 weeks after #0018.
That's the photo I was talking about. Very cool Falcon especially if it has that sort of history. I wonder if it still exists?
Quote from: honker on December 14, 2020, 12:43:23 PM
Royce, I couldn't find the photo you are talking about, but is it this one that I have in my files ? I "believe" ? ? this is the chassis
test mule for the GT350, was talked about here before, maybe on forum 1. I have more pics of it.
Mike
(photo: Dave friedman)
Quote from: rhjanes on December 14, 2020, 02:00:57 PM
I don't think that is CS either. And not exactly napping, or was just woken up (he's flipping someone off....)
Sure is! Exactly how I feel today.
Quote from: Royce Peterson on December 14, 2020, 06:49:05 PM
That's the photo I was talking about. Very cool Falcon especially if it has that sort of history. I wonder if it still exists?
Amazing photo and what a cool car if it still exists.
Stephan / Szabo, Thanks for pulling this rear view photo from the German magazine archive website :)
After some further review, I do NOT believe this car is #0018.
#0018 and #0003, the first '67 GT350's completed by SAI, are believed to have the a different placement of the fender emblems.
This white '67 GT350, in these LAX photos, has the emblem in the normal production location.
Hi to all 67 fans,
I am looking at this white car and think it is #0050 which was used plenty by magazines as a P.R. car. Details that help are trunk lid fit esp left side to end cap....
It would be much easier if someone would be able to date this picture...without a date we will still be guessing. The theme was a very interesting design and I think that is why people used it as a backdrop for photos. Still cool after all these years to see this stuff show up!! Thanks for sharing.
Regards R.R.
Quote from: Road Reptile on December 15, 2020, 05:36:25 PM
Hi to all 67 fans,
I am looking at this white car and think it is #0050 which was used plenty by magazines as a P.R. car. Details that help are trunk lid fit esp left side to end cap....
It would be much easier if someone would be able to date this picture...without a date we will still be guessing. The theme was a very interesting design and I think that is why people used it as a backdrop for photos. Still cool after all these years to see this stuff show up!! Thanks for sharing.
Regards R.R.
Anthony, I agree with your thinking on this - for what that's worth = 0
The Henry Ford Archiv dated the Front View Pic for 1965
the rear view pic has no data information ...
You Guys noticed the "Sensor" on the front right triangular window ?
Hello Everyone,
I am trying to post the photos that I reference below, but this message keeps coming up: The upload folder is full. Please try a smaller file and/or contact an administrator.
I have made the photos as small as possible. Anyway, take my word regarding what I say below.
I do not believe this is car 0050. Here is why. In the first photo of the "unknown" car, look at the nose attachment hardware in the upper grille opening; there are 3 bolts/screws. Now look at the second photo of car 0050 which was taken by Sports Car Graphic on 12/13/66; there are 4 bolts/screws in the upper grille opening. Thoughts?
Also, there is no way that 1965 date on the LAX photo is correct, right?
Thanks,
Eric
Captions and descriptions seem to not to be exact or correct in all cases. Likely a worker (this is allot of work) copy and pasting as well as basing some of the details on similar or shared pictures from the same source
Quote from: J_Speegle on December 15, 2020, 06:44:34 PM
Captions and descriptions seem to not to be exact or correct in all cases. Likely a worker (this is allot of work) copy and pasting as well as basing some of the details on similar or shared pictures from the same source
yes
Quote from: 67411F--0100-ENG. on December 15, 2020, 06:37:52 PM
Hello Everyone,
I am trying to post the photos that I reference below, but this message keeps coming up: The upload folder is full. Please try a smaller file and/or contact an administrator.
I have made the photos as small as possible. Anyway, take my word regarding what I say below.
I do not believe this is car 0050. Here is why. In the first photo of the "unknown" car, look at the nose attachment hardware in the upper grille opening; there are 3 bolts/screws. Now look at the second photo of car 0050 which was taken by Sports Car Graphic on 12/13/66; there are 4 bolts/screws in the upper grille opening. Thoughts?
Also, there is no way that 1965 date on the LAX photo is correct, right?
Thanks,
Eric
Eric you're right, didn't look closely enough.
Here are the two cars; upper grill openings and the 3 vs 4 fasteners
Yes I get the same "upload Folder" message will post later...
Quote from: honker on December 14, 2020, 12:43:23 PM
Royce, I couldn't find the photo you are talking about, but is it this one that I have in my files ? I "believe" ? ? this is the chassis
test mule for the GT350, was talked about here before, maybe on forum 1. I have more pics of it.
Mike
(photo: Dave friedman)
Back to the Falcon. What a cool picture. More Falcon history.
As a preproduction car, Ford tested this Falcon extensively with different tweaks and components, like the Monroe adjustable race-inspired shock absorbers the car retains today. The Falcon was also fitted with lightweight fiberglass doors, (with roll-up windows) front fenders, hood and deck lidFalcon was prepped for Trans-Am racing to SCCA FIA-GT homologation standards in 1967 and piloted by Shelby hired gun Bob Johnson. By this time, Johnson was no stranger to road racing Fords and had plenty of seat time in Cobras and Shelby Mustangs. He and his crew chief Tom Greatorex, snagged all the speed parts they could from Shelby's R-model program for the Falcon, including the HiPo 289 and the rest of the driveline, steering and suspension components, and a Smiths speedometer from a Cobra. The car wore Johnson's signature No. 33 on the doors and raced at Sebring, Mid-Ohio and national events throughout the Midwest. After the 1967 Trans-Am race, Carroll Shelby called Johnson to his office and proclaimed, "We're trying to sell Mustangs, not Falcons! Get rid of that car or you can find another team to drive for!"https://www.rcnmag.com/blog/bob-johnson-ford-falcon-races-again-after-30-years
^^^ thanks for the link and rest of the story.
From the article:
"By the early 1970s, the Falcon had gone through one collector and was onto the next. Paul Michelsen purchased the car for $1,800 in 1975 and flat-towed it from Michigan to Illinois behind a '66 Shelby GT350."
Would hope that there is a photo of that somewhere or us to see. 8)
Quote from: Don Johnston on December 16, 2020, 10:13:54 PM
From the article:
"By the early 1970s, the Falcon had gone through one collector and was onto the next. Paul Michelsen purchased the car for $1,800 in 1975 and flat-towed it from Michigan to Illinois behind a '66 Shelby GT350."
Would hope that there is a photo of that somewhere or us to see. 8)
There was this, looks to be a white Mustang (Shelby?) towing the Falcon...
(Also was able to post the two front-end images in reply #20 above)
Quote from: honker on December 14, 2020, 12:43:23 PM
Royce, I couldn't find the photo you are talking about, but is it this one that I have in my files ? I "believe" ? ? this is the chassis
test mule for the GT350, was talked about here before, maybe on forum 1. I have more pics of it.
Mike
(photo: Dave friedman)
Is this possibly the Falcon that was fitted with IRS as part of the evaluation of leaf spring suspension vs IRS?
I was under the impression besides the Tour de France red HiPo notchback (Alan Mann) car that was retrofitted with IRS there was also a Falcon with "Cragar" style AL wheels??
I know the original intent was Ford was considering releasing the fastback body with IRS or at least a RPO IRS,
but the testing done by Miles / SAI at Riverside showed they could accomplish nearly the same track performance with production leaf spring suspension.
just looking for clarity on various different story threads
jim p
Very interesting thank you!
Quote from: Rodster-500 on December 16, 2020, 08:33:29 PM
Quote from: honker on December 14, 2020, 12:43:23 PM
Royce, I couldn't find the photo you are talking about, but is it this one that I have in my files ? I "believe" ? ? this is the chassis
test mule for the GT350, was talked about here before, maybe on forum 1. I have more pics of it.
Mike
(photo: Dave friedman)
Back to the Falcon. What a cool picture. More Falcon history.
As a preproduction car, Ford tested this Falcon extensively with different tweaks and components, like the Monroe adjustable race-inspired shock absorbers the car retains today. The Falcon was also fitted with lightweight fiberglass doors, (with roll-up windows) front fenders, hood and deck lid
Falcon was prepped for Trans-Am racing to SCCA FIA-GT homologation standards in 1967 and piloted by Shelby hired gun Bob Johnson. By this time, Johnson was no stranger to road racing Fords and had plenty of seat time in Cobras and Shelby Mustangs. He and his crew chief Tom Greatorex, snagged all the speed parts they could from Shelby's R-model program for the Falcon, including the HiPo 289 and the rest of the driveline, steering and suspension components, and a Smiths speedometer from a Cobra. The car wore Johnson's signature No. 33 on the doors and raced at Sebring, Mid-Ohio and national events throughout the Midwest. After the 1967 Trans-Am race, Carroll Shelby called Johnson to his office and proclaimed, "We're trying to sell Mustangs, not Falcons! Get rid of that car or you can find another team to drive for!"
https://www.rcnmag.com/blog/bob-johnson-ford-falcon-races-again-after-30-years
Quote from: 6R07mi on December 17, 2020, 09:15:33 AM
Quote from: honker on December 14, 2020, 12:43:23 PM
Royce, I couldn't find the photo you are talking about, but is it this one that I have in my files ? I "believe" ? ? this is the chassis
test mule for the GT350, was talked about here before, maybe on forum 1. I have more pics of it.
Mike
(photo: Dave friedman)
Is this possibly the Falcon that was fitted with IRS as part of the evaluation of leaf spring suspension vs IRS?
I was under the impression besides the Tour de France red HiPo notchback (Alan Mann) car that was retrofitted with IRS there was also a Falcon with "Cragar" style AL wheels??
I know the original intent was Ford was considering releasing the fastback body with IRS or at least a RPO IRS,
but the testing done by Miles / SAI at Riverside showed they could accomplish nearly the same track performance with production leaf spring suspension.
just looking for clarity on various different story threads
jim p
That would be some interesting info to discover.
The wheels on the original Falcon picture caught my attention.
Here are some other photos I have of that Falcon at Riverside, I think these were up on forum 1 ?
Is that Bondurant ? in the chair, and is that the same guy in his lap as on the trunk in my first image of the Falcon in the thread.
If it is Bondurant maybe he can answer the question about the rear suspension ?
I don't know if you can tell from the shot of the car on track anything about the rear suspension, some is visible ?
Is that Miles in the King Cobra in the colour shot ?
Mike
(photos: Dave Friedman I think)
Are these the same wheels as on the Falcon in this shot of Comstock Mustang at Mosport in 1966
Mike
(photo:Friedman)
We are getting away from Road Reptiles original question that started the thread ::)
Optional Studebaker magnesium wheels on both the Comstock R-model and the Falcon. I think your date is incorrect on the Mosport 1966 photo....Comstock racing only had those "Studebaker wheels" (15x6) on for an event or two in early 1965 and switched to the standard American Racing magnesium wheels (15x7) from then on. The same "Studebaker wheels" were run on the Comstock Notchback for only a few races also.
The Falcon had the IRS rear suspension and was a prototype used for testing only....an idea that was being kicked around as something to be done to the Shelby GT350 since the platform between both cars was similar, but the expense/costs and lap times proved otherwise to the accountants back at Ford. Also, as an educated guess....I don't think this IRS Falcon had anything to do with the Bob Johnson Falcon that he ran in 1967....the extra expense to convert it back to stock rear fenders (IRS Falcon has cut rear fenders for easy wheel replacement) and a standard straight axle rear end, which would make it legal for Sedan racing....?
Yes on Ken Miles in the Cooper Cobra.
No on Bob Bondurant in the chair, etc.
Quote from: honker on December 21, 2020, 10:08:20 PM
Are these the same wheels as on the Falcon in this shot of Comstock Mustang at Mosport in 1966
Mike
(photo:Friedman)
We are getting away from Road Reptiles original question that started the thread ::)
Not to worry Mike...RR's post was is from page 2. The OP posted a link to the photo collection with no questions, just for our information.
I also have your same photo of 5r096 off the road course, from a different source (Ford Images), along with one or two other photos from the same race event/weekend.
My files have these date as June 3, 1966.
Quote from: kranky on December 22, 2020, 12:22:33 PM
Optional Studebaker magnesium wheels on both the Comstock R-model and the Falcon. I think your date is incorrect on the Mosport 1966 photo....Comstock racing only had those "Studebaker wheels" (15x6) on for an event or two in early 1965 and switched to the standard American Racing magnesium wheels (15x7) from then on. The same "Studebaker wheels" were run on the Comstock Notchback for only a few races also.
The Falcon had the IRS rear suspension and was a prototype used for testing only....an idea that was being kicked around as something to be done to the Shelby GT350 since the platform between both cars was similar, but the expense/costs and lap times proved otherwise to the accountants back at Ford. Also, as an educated guess....I don't think this IRS Falcon had anything to do with the Bob Johnson Falcon that he ran in 1967....the extra expense to convert it back to stock rear fenders (IRS Falcon has cut rear fenders for easy wheel replacement) and a standard straight axle rear end, which would make it legal for Sedan racing....?
Yes on Ken Miles in the Cooper Cobra.
No on Bob Bondurant in the chair, etc.
Kranky, as noted in my reply to Honker/Mike I have the same GT350 photo noted at the Mosport Players 200 back in June 1966.
I also show one magazine photo noted from spring 1965 at St Jovite, but the same photo was found elsewhere noting it from September 19, 1965...both with those unique rims.
My confidence is not high on the 5r096 history/info with these dated conflicts, but the majority of 1965 photos show the typical R model rims.
I'm not very familiar with the Falcon being discussed.
Quote from: honker on December 21, 2020, 10:02:57 PM
Here are some other photos I have of that Falcon at Riverside, I think these were up on forum 1 ?
Is that Bondurant ? in the chair, and is that the same guy in his lap as on the trunk in my first image of the Falcon in the thread.
If it is Bondurant maybe he can answer the question about the rear suspension ?
I don't know if you can tell from the shot of the car on track anything about the rear suspension, some is visible ?
Is that Miles in the King Cobra in the colour shot ?
Mike
(photos: Dave Friedman I think)
Great stuff!
Love the Falcon. Side exhaust, air intakes under the front bumper, and big a$$ antenna and a go pro on the windshield. :)
I'd say the same guy is on the lap and on the falcon.
As the OP, just a source of photos, discuss what you want. No rules here...
My mistake, I was thinking of a different race.
In Richstang's photo....it appears to be George Eaton's 427 Cobra fender with a sticker on the headlight parked next to the Comstock R-model?
Quote from: kranky on December 23, 2020, 10:48:28 AM
My mistake, I was thinking of a different race.
In Richstang's photo....it appears to be George Eaton's 427 Cobra fender with a sticker on the headlight parked next to the Comstock R-model?
Yes, I believe that is csx3017 with 5r096.
Here's another photo on the hauler from an unknown date / location.
Good stuff! 8)