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The Cars => Replicas and Tribute => Topic started by: cbrown on December 21, 2020, 08:28:07 PM

Title: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: cbrown on December 21, 2020, 08:28:07 PM
Can anyone tell me what the Vin numbers looked like or started out with from the cars that unique performance completed?   I have a client that is hell-bent on getting one and I think he’s getting caught up in smoke and mirrors on eBay with a car that is being claimed to be an original unique performance car but has a vin assigned from a specific state like a highway patrol vin

Chris
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: Coralsnake on December 21, 2020, 09:01:04 PM
Steer him towards the one for $298,000.

Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: roddster on December 22, 2020, 10:24:30 AM
  Oh, so now those Unique Performance ones are hyper-collectable?
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: cbrown on December 22, 2020, 10:44:08 AM
Steer him towards the one for $298,000.

YA Pete.   Fake cars binging more than real ones!!!

chris
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: cbrown on December 22, 2020, 10:45:55 AM
SO, does anyone know what vin looks like on one they actually sold?   

chris
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: 557 on December 22, 2020, 11:44:38 AM
Could be several vins..... ::)
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: Royce Peterson on December 22, 2020, 11:56:37 AM
They used whatever used and abused Mustang fastbacks they could buy to make these clones. Often combining parts of various unit bodies to make one complete unit body. That's one of the things they got in trouble with the police over.......

There is no pattern to what the VIN's were. The owners of Unique didn't care so long as a buyer was willing to pay.

More info: http://67mustangblog.com/unique-performance-bankrupt/ (http://67mustangblog.com/unique-performance-bankrupt/)

And: https://jalopnik.com/oh-no-eleanor-unique-performance-accused-of-title-wash-319267 (https://jalopnik.com/oh-no-eleanor-unique-performance-accused-of-title-wash-319267)


SO, does anyone know what vin looks like on one they actually sold?   

chris
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: Coralsnake on December 22, 2020, 12:01:47 PM
He wants to see the tag. Theoretically you could prove you have a Unique Performance car, by looking at the tag.

Gee, if you have a clone of a clone is it still a clone?

Dont get distracted by the girl. She does find her shoes and figures out the corset.

https://www.carvideos.tv/muscle-cars/868/beauty-the-beast-shelby-gt-500-eleanor
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: 557 on December 22, 2020, 12:13:42 PM
Better consult the Unique Performance “registry”.That should “clear things up “right quick..... 8) :o
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: Coralsnake on December 22, 2020, 12:26:15 PM
Actually there is an Eleanor registry 😔
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on December 22, 2020, 12:32:54 PM
I don't think they got an ID # other than whatever VIN the car they used had. A VIN assigned by a state just means that the car they started with had no VIN. Rust damage, crash damage, Dynacorn body etc. There is an Eleanor licensing group that also issues a tag but not a production number. Google eleanor tag and you'll find several variations. None specific to Unique. Is the state issued VIN from where Unique was shutdown? I remember there were several cars seized without VINs.
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: Coralsnake on December 22, 2020, 12:42:54 PM
They did get another VIN. That was the issue

Its hard to find examples of Unique VIN tags because many were destroyed and reissued after the case was closed.

Most planned cars were never built

There was a forum member here that took it in the shorts for a substantial amount and never got a car.
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: cbrown on December 22, 2020, 01:05:34 PM
I ended up with 3 of the cars 2 fastbacks and 1 supersnake convert.  and parts from the auction and parts.  I remember walking thru all the stuff and there was a cabinet with blank  vin tags very similar to 67 shelby tag.    The car my customer is looking at has a FLA. state assigned vin which i dont think is correct.  I is like  a slavage  car vin when you do a rebuildable car.  I thought a reme ber back that SAAC was recognizing them and putting a spot in the registry for them.

chris
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: Coralsnake on December 22, 2020, 01:12:26 PM
SAAC never tracked the cars or had them in a Registry.

They are not Shelbys. Unique used the “registry” claim as a sales technique. It was going to give the cars credibility in some people’s minds. But, Shelby never had control over the SAAC information. Thats another story...

Most cars ended up with state issued VINs, because of the VIN fraud. Only a handful of cars went out the door before the investigations and before the destruction of the Unique VINs being issued.

The video shows an “original” tag
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: cbrown on December 22, 2020, 01:29:23 PM
OK,, i will watch video later.. gota get Back to work!!!

thanks chris
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 22, 2020, 01:36:32 PM
Chris ,I think you are confusing SAAC with Shelby American in Vegas recognizing the cars in their registry of cars.
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: Coralsnake on December 22, 2020, 01:47:11 PM
Why dont you just build one and make some coin? It will be every bit as “real”

Just dont change the VIN
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: cbrown on December 22, 2020, 02:19:59 PM
NO your thinking Pete!   Thats what i told him last week and we can build to his specs.  I told him Van was first though.... ;)


chris
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: Coralsnake on December 22, 2020, 02:51:53 PM
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-221220145047.png)
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: Side-Oilers on December 22, 2020, 03:26:00 PM
NO your thinking Pete!   Thats what i told him last week and we can build to his specs.  I told him Van was first though.... ;)


chris


HAHAHAHAHA!!!  I'll take a baker's dozen of 'em.   Maybe get a Mach-e as well, to complete the series of unfortunate "e" names.   
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: cbrown on December 22, 2020, 07:49:21 PM
Chris ,I think you are confusing SAAC with Shelby American in Vegas recognizing the cars in their registry of cars.

Bob,  So does Shelby American have a registry of these cars.  Do you or anyone know many  they actually completed?

chris
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: Don Johnston on December 22, 2020, 08:02:32 PM
Shelby American only keeps an unpublished record of the cars manufactured at their shop i Las Vegas or one of their approved and licensed assembly locations.  They will verify as to whether a Shelby named vehicle is one of theirs if the Ford VIN, not CSX  They did not produce any "Eleanor" GT500E models.   number, is known.  They also keep records of vehicles that have come in for upgrades or custom work.  CS Licensing also lost the law suit regarding the use of Shelby name with the Eleanor model, so I do not believe that they kept any records for them from Unique Performance. 8)
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on December 22, 2020, 08:13:22 PM
Current license holder https://www.fusionmotorco.com/eleanor-legacy

I wonder if I'd feel confident in having a company build me a car when they can't even get the VIN right on the original car. They list the engine code as 5 not S.
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on December 22, 2020, 08:30:47 PM
Shelby American only keeps an unpublished record of the cars manufactured at their shop i Las Vegas or one of their approved and licensed assembly locations.  They will verify as to whether a Shelby named vehicle is one of theirs if the Ford VIN, not CSX  They did not produce any "Eleanor" GT500E models.   number, is known.  They also keep records of vehicles that have come in for upgrades or custom work.  CS Licensing also lost the law suit regarding the use of Shelby name with the Eleanor model, so I do not believe that they kept any records for them from Unique Performance. 8)
I thought they also kept track of the continuation CSX numbers.
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: Don Johnston on December 22, 2020, 08:42:56 PM
My bad, I meant the CSM for the later model (Las Vegas) production.  Yes, they also have the CSX numbers recorded.
Title: Re: 67 gt500e unique performance
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 22, 2020, 08:52:45 PM
Chris ,I think you are confusing SAAC with Shelby American in Vegas recognizing the cars in their registry of cars.

Bob,  So does Shelby American have a registry of these cars.  Do you or anyone know many  they actually completed?

chris
They have something . Probably like the late model cars they have produced. It is not available to the public like a SAAC registry . You have to call them for any info and hope that they are in a good mood when asking for particular info I have heard. I lost contact with them after the 90's. Everyone I know has ether retired ,fired or died. That is except Gary Patterson who is the only one I know from the old guard. At least we were told as Cobra dealers back then that the cars would be in their registry of cars when the Unique project was just getting off the ground . They wanted us to get a huge deposit down for unique cars. It seemed like a ponzi scam.  None of the dealers fell for it so they had to do it themselves.As it turns out it was like a ponzi scheme  I know one guy who had put down 250 K deposit in the convertible you bought at the bankruptcy auction . That large amount promised him to jump to the front of the build line. Yeah right. I heard of others that were given the same promise as long as they paid in full . That was just one aspect of the scamy deals the Unique bunch were doing. The guy who had put the deposit down on the convert was very aggravated that you bought it out from under him (his words) at the bankruptcy auction. I know that was not the case and told him so. He just didn't want to bid high enough .  I told him he was lucky because he would just be throwing good money after bad given that if he bought it he would have to then find someone to build it for him.