Lets start with the basic appearance....
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The wheel should have four slots around the rim (white arrow)
The wheel should have four nubs in the center face (yellow arrow)
If you have anything else it is not a 1968 Shelby model year steel wheel
Center hole on rim face should be round
Approximate Dimensions:
These are actual dimensions of the 15 x 6 inch steel wheel:
Diameter: 16 1/8 inches
Center hole should be round and just under 2 1/2 inches. There are some Ford wheels that have a larger center hole, but they are not correct
Height: 7 inches
Backspacing: 4 1/4 inches
Measurements are approximate
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Other Information:
The rim and the face were stamped at different times and may have different date codes. There are two different formats for the dates on the face of the wheel
1) The wheel may have numbers like "7" "67" between the lug holes. July of 1967 is the earliest wheel dates I have seen and they were not used on very many cars. "12" "67" would be more common for an early production Shelby.
2) Face date code may also be in the "K" format. These date codes usually have a larger "K" (for Kelsey) with two numbers one over the other. Example K2/8 is Kelsey wheel / "2" = Plant Code / "8" = Year (1968)
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Dates on the rim:
The rim or outer hoop usually has a date code by the valve stem. Some early 1968 wheels do not have dates on the outer rim. Some late 1967 production wheels actually have dates that overlap into the 1968 production, but they are not correct for a 1968 Shelby.
Typical rim date code is in a format similar to "K2/8 2 12 6"
These date codes usually have a "K" (for Kelsey) with two numbers one over the other, similar to the face code. Example: K2/8 "K" = Kelsey wheel / Plant Code / Year (1968), in this example the "2 12" is February 12. The last "6" is wheel width (6 inches)
Date codes on the rim and face are usually pretty close in time. The outer hoop may expose an actual "C8" engineering number once the tire is removed. Most 1968 Shelby Kelsey / Hayes wheels were made in Canada.
These were on the cars when they arrived at AO Smith (put on in NJ Assy).
Grumpy old man disclaimer: Stop whinning about not being able to post pictures on the forum (I just did) and NO I don't know where you can find some of these wheels for your car. Get off my lawn!
;)
I might also add these wheels are made for disc brake cars. While they were used on some other Fords during 1968, they are somewhat rare.
I have tried to post photos of these wheels twice now. No luck. Used paint to resize once at 1000 pix. Second time at 800. Still will not post.
Rodney
Looking good!
I added some photos to the Gallery. Some of a 67 dated wheel and some of a 68 dated wheel . Most wheels have two info stamping on the outer hoop, tire side. One partial & one complete( see photos ). Also note the L is missing from the KELSEY on the one wheel.
Rodney
Quote from: Coralsnake on April 12, 2018, 11:32:02 AM
While they were used on some other Fords during 1968, they are somewhat rare.
With 4,500 '68 Shelby's made, that's almost 25,000 wheels... you'd think they wouldn't be so rare considering a high percentage of '68 Shelby's have 10 spokes now. :) :)
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March 26, 1968
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Dec 1967
Thanks Rodney...a good addition
Rod's wheel images:
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There at least one more image of the 67 dated wheel in the gallery. I haven't figured out how to get them over here yet. Thanks Pete & JD for moving the rest of them.
Rodney
Here is a late 67 date code on a 1968 wheel.
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Pete, Good Stuff!!
Quote from: 69mach351w on April 13, 2018, 07:05:50 AM
Pete, Good Stuff!!
The first group of photos & description are Pete's the rest are mine from the Gallery, thank you.
Rodney Harrold
Quote from: KR500 on April 13, 2018, 08:41:10 AM
Quote from: 69mach351w on April 13, 2018, 07:05:50 AM
Pete, Good Stuff!!
The first group of photos & description are Pete's the rest are mine from the Gallery, thank you.
Rodney Harrold
Thx RH, invaluable info ;)
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12 67 wheel for very early 1968
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This one is for Charles, I will let you figure out who is hoarding the wheels!
Quote from: Coralsnake on April 13, 2018, 10:11:56 AM
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12 67 wheel for very early 1968
I still have the original set of steel wheels from my 5/1/1967 assembled 1967 GT 350. Four of the wheels are dated 1967 and one wheel is dated 1966.
Dave
Anyone noticed pink sprayed on the inside of the rim or on the backside or both? The one rim I have has a lot of pink sprayed on the back and a pink stripe sprayed on the inside.
The 1968 wheel should have a white daub on the back. I would say pink is atypical.
Rodney's pictures show the back side, center hub was typically left unpainted.
One of the great advisors to this forum wanted me to warn everyone not take this into the weeds.
The purpose of the thread was to provide some basic information for everyone, not discuss all the potential weirdness.
I think Charles mentioned there were 20,000 plus wheels, surely they were not all identical.
:D
Quote from: Coralsnake on April 13, 2018, 10:26:45 AM
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This one is for Charles, I will let you figure out who is hoarding the wheels!
Believe it or not I just used 10 for 2 cars last week before that picture. It may seem like hoarding but if you count those and divide by 5 and I currently have 5 more cars that need wheels you'll see I'm short. Don't get me started on hupcaps
Quote from: Coralsnake on April 13, 2018, 10:26:45 AM
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This one is for Charles, I will let you figure out who is hoarding the wheels!
Pete, is the speaker on the wall for your music OR, a loud speaker to tell others to "keep your hands off my wheels"?!! ;D
Those are not my wheels, but I do like the speaker idea.
:o
Inquiring minds want to know why the Ford books show a different part number for lug nuts for 67/68 Shelby's? It shows a S7MS-1012-C for use with the C8AZ-1007-B painted rim.
I several sets of wheels and there are 2 styles of paint codes used on the rear of the rims, a single white paint dob near the outer edge of the rim and the thin band of paint on the outer rear rim. I use the term white but the color is an odd mix between pure white and off white.
Quote from: TXShelbyman on April 14, 2018, 10:02:54 PM
Inquiring minds want to know why the Ford books show a different part number for lug nuts for 67/68 Shelby's? It shows a S7MS-1012-C for use with the C8AZ-1007-B painted rim.
Ask and ye shall receive . The S7MS-C lug is still a 13/16 chrome sharp tip lug but it doesn't have the small aligning tip that the S7MS-D has . The lug body on the steel wheel lug S7MS-C is taller and on the 67 wheel covers it protrudes further through the wheel cover than the S7MS-D which is the proper lug for the 10 spokes in 67/68. The longer chrome S7MS-C lugs help align the 68 wheel cover for the valve stem . Thats the only reason I can see them using them as they aren't visible/
Quote from: acman63 on April 15, 2018, 02:03:46 PM
Quote from: TXShelbyman on April 14, 2018, 10:02:54 PM
Inquiring minds want to know why the Ford books show a different part number for lug nuts for 67/68 Shelby's? It shows a S7MS-1012-C for use with the C8AZ-1007-B painted rim.
Ask and ye shall receive . The S7MS-C lug is still a 13/16 chrome sharp tip lug but it doesn't have the small aligning tip that the S7MS-D has . The lug body on the steel wheel lug S7MS-C is taller and on the 67 wheel covers it protrudes further through the wheel cover than the S7MS-D which is the proper lug for the 10 spokes in 67/68. The longer chrome S7MS-C lugs help align the 68 wheel cover for the valve stem . Thats the only reason I can see them using them as they aren't visible/
Have others seen the tall S7MS-C lug nuts ever used on original 68 cars? I have only seen them used on 67 hubcap cars where they are meant to and actually protrude through the cover. FYI thankfully Jim C has reproduced the special S7MS-C lugnut typically seen on 67 hubcap cars.
Will those lugs even tightened down with the steel wheel?
Quote from: Coralsnake on April 15, 2018, 06:56:55 PM
Will those lugs even tightened down with the steel wheel?
Yes ,the S7MS-C lugnuts have the same base as the steel nuts. They are different then the tenspoke lugnuts . They are taller and have a different base.
Never seen anything but Standard Ford run of the mill Lugnuts used on 68 Shelby
The two lug nuts discussed in above post(s)...
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Thanks for the schooling on lug nuts! I've never seen those before, learn something new every day.
Quote from: Shally on April 15, 2018, 01:20:24 PM
I several sets of wheels and there are 2 styles of paint codes used on the rear of the rims, a single white paint dob near the outer edge of the rim and the thin band of paint on the outer rear rim. I use the term white but the color is an odd mix between pure white and off white.
Mike
I have wheels with the thin band of paint also. Also most of the other wheels I have have two paint marks on them, (see reply #10) not one. I have seen wheels with just the one paint mark also.
Rodney
Thanks, the ten spoke is much thicker than the steel wheel. I think if you try tightening the chrome lug, it will bottom out. I think I tried this once and the results were not good. But, they may have been the -D style.
Regardless, the book is not correct
Quote from: TLea on April 15, 2018, 08:53:46 PM
Never seen anything but Standard Ford run of the mill Lugnuts used on 68 Shelby
+1
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This weekend I found a couple 15" wheels at a swap meet. I bought them hoping they were correct, after reviewing this thread they are not, they are 1969 wheels. They were cheap, so it wasn't too much of a loss. This started a conversation with a friend. He went home and searched through all of his wheels.
He came up with three wheels that are similar, but we are not sure if they will work. Will they?
Dates starting with:
#1: K-1-8
#2: K-2-8 but 5 1/2" wide
#3: K-2-8 but 6 1/2" wide.
Will these work? Does the plant code have to be 2?
Thank you for this thread! A lot of great information here. :-)
I heard that the Shelby 1968 wheels are the C8AZ-1007-B part number and the wheels were marked with a C8AA number, is that true because I have never seen them with this number
Quote from: Kent on February 19, 2020, 01:48:37 PM
I heard that the Shelby 1968 wheels are the C8AZ-1007-B part number and the wheels were marked with a C8AA number, is that true because I have never seen them with this number
That is because as you suspect the number was not stamped into the metal.
Its always good to have your nuts in order ;D... Thanks for the lesson.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1960-S-1964-1965-1966-KELSEY-HAYES-STEEL-RIM-WHEEL-15-FORD-MERCURY-THUNDERBIRD/223921974059?item=223921974059&pageci=e0cd7311-28c1-4252-9df1-6892c527d5b6&redirect=mobile
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 22, 2020, 08:49:08 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1960-S-1964-1965-1966-KELSEY-HAYES-STEEL-RIM-WHEEL-15-FORD-MERCURY-THUNDERBIRD/223921974059?item=223921974059&pageci=e0cd7311-28c1-4252-9df1-6892c527d5b6&redirect=mobile
Interesting wheel, looks to be a k2/8, this wheel is a 15 X 6.5
Quote from: KDunne on February 23, 2020, 09:29:50 AM
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 22, 2020, 08:49:08 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1960-S-1964-1965-1966-KELSEY-HAYES-STEEL-RIM-WHEEL-15-FORD-MERCURY-THUNDERBIRD/223921974059?item=223921974059&pageci=e0cd7311-28c1-4252-9df1-6892c527d5b6&redirect=mobile
Interesting wheel, looks to be a k2/8, this wheel is a 15 X 6.5
It has the larger center opening also...
Quote from: CharlesTurner on February 23, 2020, 11:36:16 AM
Quote from: KDunne on February 23, 2020, 09:29:50 AM
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 22, 2020, 08:49:08 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1960-S-1964-1965-1966-KELSEY-HAYES-STEEL-RIM-WHEEL-15-FORD-MERCURY-THUNDERBIRD/223921974059?item=223921974059&pageci=e0cd7311-28c1-4252-9df1-6892c527d5b6&redirect=mobile
Interesting wheel, looks to be a k2/8, this wheel is a 15 X 6.5
It has the larger center opening also...
if that is the case then maybe it isnt a k2/8...maybe a 9