I've recreated the Bud Moore Engineering Cougars liveries - both the 1967 Trans-Am and 1968 Grand American versions.
There is also this outfit :
http://www.racelinedigital.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6_148
They claim their's is the most accurate but I see a couple of things I would take issue with - but they are probably the most cost effective.
Don't think I've ever seen pics of the TA Cougars running Minilites in '67.
PM me if you are interested.
And thanks for building a Cougar - can't wait to see it when you are done!
- Phillip
Hi Phillip- Thank you for the note. I'll get a hold of you when I am a bit closer on that piece of the project. I think I saw you comment on some forum that you did them for one of the original cars when it was restored... You are correct on the Minilites... I believe it was either Magstars or steel wheels in 67. But, I've always wanted to do a car w/Minilites... Also, I really wanted to buy, not build, but there are zero out there...that really surprises me.
Looking forward to this too.
Do you already have a Cougar? Consider a 1968, they have passenger side torque boxes, and better strut rods. You would not want to use 1967 articulated Cougar strut rods.
Big Ford, 12 inch K/H four piston front disc brakes?
I also am interested in the FI conversion. Looking forward to suggestions.
From watching various youtuber, results yield greater drivability, and MPG's.
Scott- I wanted a 67 (again, my OCD!), but I did end up with a 68 (just have to get it here now!). Spot-on on regarding the 2 Torque Boxes vs 1 only on the driver side. I just found that out about 2 months ago. Plus, I understand the 67's did not have a collapsable steering column... So, that's a plus ( I am sure Ralph Nader would be pleased too!). We may need to do a separate thread on the FI... Last car I did I was able to get a really nice 715...for $350. Now, they are more than the 600HP FI kits. SMH. Thank you for the support & kind words guy's. I'm trying to help re-cycle parts vs. getting all new, help clean out some shelves or garages and get you guy's (and gals) some pocket change in the process.
QuoteAnd thanks for building a Cougar - can't wait to see it when you are done!
No part info, but if I may be permitted to interject a comment:
Ditto about building a Courgar. IMHO one of the most beautifuly styled cars to come out of Detroit and even stands up in comparison to super car styling (think Ferrari) in Europe during that era.
As for build, I would opt for 289/302 to maintain the car's race DNA.
EFI is ok but would go with a throttle body applicantion and not port style. Once again, DNA
Important thing is to build it and then drive it. And I mean a lot.
Great point... Initially, I was looking at doing...yet another 289/302 stroker, but I may refrain and go with a well built 289 and aluminum heads (weight) more than anything...Agree on the DNA aspect. I did a 66 Carry Over car in the late 90's and it was super accurate with a lot of real (read that as EXPEN$IVE!) parts on it. I let it go way to cheap, but that's life. I am going with a WR top loader on this one... I considered another Tremec. So, I hear you...if I could find some nicely done 289 heads on the cheap, I may do them instead of aluminum. Appreciate the critical input. Always good to hear. it helps keep me between the guardrails...
When you are ready for a drive shaft go to Drive Shaft King and have them make one for you. They will have the U - joints but not the forward yoke. Near I-30 and I-35E in Dallas. They will balance it and make it as heavy duty as you want. Reasonable prices, great work and fast.
I have a very healthy 331 in mine, what a strong motor! I run the FITECH throttle body EFI, with my own external fuel system. Hidden under the air cleaner, almost invisible.
Here is a nice color pic that I scanned from one of my vintage magazines - an in-house publication from Mercury I think.
Don't believe I've posted it here before.
It is from Sebring, early in the 1967 TA season when the Cougars ran the Magstars and still had fairly stock looking bodywork including fiberglass bumpers.
The is Dan Gurney BTW.
- Phillip
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-250421202115.jpeg)
When you say "Doing it right" do you mean period correct? A lot of items on your list are not something you would find on a period car.
Thank you Phillip! Love the period photo's! I had no idea that the headlights had Autolite stickers on them. I've always seen tape.
Cobrask8, interesting on the FiTech. I had high hopes for that one. Sounds like you've got good experience with it. I've run a 331 & a 347. Both VERY strong!
1109RWHP, yes. Not all period, but want to make it easy/fun to drive. Will be a street car, even though it's a race car today. I have to have AC!
Shouldn't the induction on the engine be the C60E dual Holley 4bbl carb set up?
Great picture Phil - is that Green Valley?
Quote from: propayne on April 25, 2021, 08:27:37 PM
Here is a nice color pic that I scanned from one of my vintage magazines - an in-house publication from Mercury I think.
Don't believe I've posted it here before.
It is from Sebring, early in the 1967 TA season when the Cougars ran the Magstars and still had fairly stock looking bodywork including fiberglass bumpers.
The is Dan Gurney BTW.
- Phillip
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-250421202115.jpeg)
My guess is Sebring, since it looks like Gurney's Cougar has the Magstar wheels.
But I am not familiar with the look of Sebring and I would need to double check to make 100% sure.
As you well know, by the end of the season the BME Cougars shed quite a bit of their front ends!
- Phillip
Phillip ,
Am I looking at a "drooped front end" on Gurney's car?
Doug , Yes all BME's were dual four according to my original engine build papers from BME
Quote from: gt350hr on April 26, 2021, 02:09:32 PM
Phillip ,
Am I looking at a "drooped front end" on Gurney's car?
Doug , Yes all BME's were dual four according to my original engine build papers from BME
Did he make his own manifold or was he runnin' the Ford C6 T/A?
He was quite some character. I talked to him twice. If I'm a too fast talkin" NY'er, I don't know what he could be classified as? It was like talking to an electric typewriter going 140 words a minute.
He wouldn't sell me a box intake for my Cleveland. "You ain't nobody "boy"! You can't have one of these! NO SA!" Yikes! ::)
"What a piece of work "man" is! ;D
Yes he ran the T/A dual four, well one of the three different part numbered ones. He did you a favor by not selling you a box manifold for a 351C, they are losers. The D1ZX FA ran circles around it except when it raced in circles.
Bud( rip) didn't care much for "fast talkin' city slickers", you are right about that.
Quote from: gt350hr on April 26, 2021, 03:06:05 PM
Yes he ran the T/A dual four, well one of the three different part numbered ones. He did you a favor by not selling you a box manifold for a 351C, they are losers. The D1ZX FA ran circles around it except when it raced in circles.
Bud( rip) didn't care much for "fast talkin' city slickers", you are right about that.
It wasn't so much that I was fast talkin', he just couldn't pronounce my name and couldn't spell W.
I have no idea what Sebring looked like back then. But it sure looks like the pit area at Green Valley back then with the cones laid out to make a road course using the drag strip as a straightaway.
Quote from: propayne on April 26, 2021, 12:52:31 PM
My guess is Sebring, since it looks like Gurney's Cougar has the Magstar wheels.
But I am not familiar with the look of Sebring and I would need to double check to make 100% sure.
As you well know, by the end of the season the BME Cougars shed quite a bit of their front ends!
- Phillip
Looking at online photos it appears the TA Cougars had Torque Thrust D wheels at Green valley and Gurney was in the #98 Cougar for the win so that is not it. The photo looks more like Lime Rock Connecticut to me where Gurney was driving the #16 car with the early Mag Star wheels.
According to my sources, Gurney and Parnelli went to Indianapolis to run the 500 during the 1967 Lime Rock TA race.
Bud Moore put Peter Revson and Ed Leslie in the Cougars and Revson won with a two-lap victory over Donohue's Camaro and Titus' Mustang.
And yes Randy, the drop from the base of the Cougar's windshield to the grill looks pretty steep!
And you can see how Bud had the Cougar's wheel wells cut and pounded out to fit the wheels and tires.
- Phillip
Correct, the BME Cougars ran 2 - 4bbl Holley's (390 CFM each if memory serves)
@GT350hr, do you mean dropped? They took their's down over an inch if I understood correctly.. Shelby did 1", BME did like 1.75 I believe.
Looking at the pics, I see Phillips point, but the body line looks straight. If the grille was cut down, the body line would be off.... Maybe I'm not following?
@Phillip If you haven't seen it, here's a great 3 part series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epz2Ari5SEM
Go to 1:31 on the 2nd video for Green Valley video. I just re-watched. Looks like Torque Thrusts to me on the GV video.
Another good one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOajM9PRP88
@ShelbyDoug, you need a Cleveland 'box' intake still? I know who has one.
@GT350hr, correct! They are "wall art" IMO...
@Royce, yes. Sebring did not (does not) have trees like that. Right on the Torque Thrusts. Guessing Lime Rock as you say.
Quote from: PrettyMuchAShelbyGuy on April 26, 2021, 10:38:48 PM
Correct, the BME Cougars ran 2 - 4bbl Holley's (390 CFM each if memory serves)
@GT350hr, do you mean dropped? They took their's down over an inch if I understood correctly.. Shelby did 1", BME did like 1.75 I believe.
Looking at the pics, I see Phillips point, but the body line looks straight. If the grille was cut down, the body line would be off.... Maybe I'm not following?
@Phillip If you haven't seen it, here's a great 3 part series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epz2Ari5SEM
Go to 1:31 on the 2nd video for Green Valley video. I just re-watched. Looks like Torque Thrusts to me on the GV video.
Another good one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOajM9PRP88
@ShelbyDoug, you need a Cleveland 'box' intake still? I know who has one.
@GT350hr, correct! They are "wall art" IMO...
@Royce, yes. Sebring did not (does not) have trees like that. Right on the Torque Thrusts. Guessing Lime Rock as you say.
A BME box, no. That was settled long ago. In fact it might have been a 2-4 I was looking for and was making the rounds of who might have still had one? That was '77-78 or around there.
I was actually hoping that H-M had made thier own along the lines of the 289 T/A since they made a lot of "experimental" stuff and were credited with things like the Detomaso Pantera Weber manifold but no dice. The time of the 2-4 had passed.
No, that's my Pantera. It's settled. A3 heads with matching Weber manifold, 48 ida's and 180 headers. Done 600hp. 450 torque. That's enough. Too expensive to break the ZF.
I personally went with a 1.5" drop with ball joint wedges. Smooth as silk with great stability. 1-1/8" front bar. No bar in the rear, one big leaf added.
I noticed that one on several R models, post SA. No Konis's in the rear. Cure-rides with the big pistons. Smooth.
Big Ford front disc's. Lincoln Veralles rear discs and banjo. Looks stock except a little low in the front. No tech's around except Randy waving black flags at the drag strip. Some people? >:(
I don't see 390's for carbs but BME was a bit of a lone wolf radical so maybe? I'm still playing the carbs game but 3300 and 3301 work really well but 1850's aren't bad either.
A pair of 600dp's might be the way to go on a comp car doing away with the progressive linkage but are too much for the street.
The 2-4 FoMoCo isn't bad port matched, but won't take the 700's. The C6 will. That's what I see the difference as. Randy calls it the turd but that must be box stock? Why worry about tech inspection now? Is there someone who is going to do an engine volume test on you? KEEP Randy away from the car. ;)
Give him a plate of home made brownies. By the time he finishes them, he'll forget what he was doing. ;)
He and others from down around hickory holler, had a saying that I hold near and dear, just because we talk slow dont mean we think slow. That speaks volumes . ;D
Quote from: 427heaven on April 27, 2021, 08:35:03 AM
He and others from down around hickory holler, had a saying that I hold near and dear, just because we talk slow dont mean we think slow. That speaks volumes . ;D
Talk slow? No, no. He was like a human buzz saw. Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. You needed high performance ears to follow him.
Hmmm, is that not the "Webster Turns" at Sebring?
That is the only race that; 3 BME Cougars raced at the same time, the Cougars ran Magstar wheels and that Gurney's Cougar was configured like that.
Here are a couple of pics from the fantastic book "Trans-Am, the Pony Car Wars 1966-1972" by Dave Friedman.
Looks like Dick Thompson's number 11 Shelby Mustang is in the same corner.
- Phillip
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-270421084154.jpeg)
Quote from: Royce Peterson on April 26, 2021, 06:57:13 PM
Looking at online photos it appears the TA Cougars had Torque Thrust D wheels at Green valley and Gurney was in the #98 Cougar for the win so that is not it. The photo looks more like Lime Rock Connecticut to me where Gurney was driving the #16 car with the early Mag Star wheels.
Those Torque Thrust D's would have been these: (see pics) this set ended up on the late Walt Boeningers (RIP) NorCal Shelby's 67 SAI built (#23 of 26 Group II) TA Mustang Coupes aka KodeKey Electronics livery car.
Look closely at the center reads: "Team Cougar" 67 F8.
These were the magnesium TA wheels. There also happens to be a set for sale on eBay #333816912400 currently running that have the correct spoke profile. They are 15x8 and 15x9's (not my auction) expensive at $7K.
You mentioned you like to "do it right".
You'll also need something like these. a Jones Tach drive and distributor. Good luck on finding a BME/Jones version like the one in the photo. (These ARE mine).
Cheers,
~Earl J
For a street driven car the magnesium wheels wouldn't be wise especially 50 year old+ wheels. A set of PS Engineering (Phil Schmidt's) TA wheels in a 15x8 provided you can pry a set away from someone would be ideal.
Here's a closer peek at that JONES tach.
Cheers,
~Earl J
You mentioned you like to "do it right".
Is that a political statement?
Even so, kinda' pricey to do these days and open to interpretation?
Earl, that tach must be noisy with that cable drive, no?
The coolness factor is thru the roof, the only saving grace is the initial cost of the car. ;)
@427Heaven... Yes... Thank you... I thought so too on the price of the car.. Not so much. I've been looking for 2 years now... Lotta Cougar 'junk' (literally) out there..
Quote from: shelbydoug on April 27, 2021, 09:32:23 AM
You mentioned you like to "do it right".
Is that a political statement?
Even so, kinda' pricey to do these days and open to interpretation?
Earl, that tach must be noisy with that cable drive, no?
Doug, naaa you can't hear it because the whine from the Jerico is louder. It even drowns out the SW 240A.
I know he knew how to spell "W" ....dub-b-ya
In just two days from now, tomorrow will be yesterday. He will soon have an out-of-money experience.
Cheers
~Earl J
@Earl j... Thank you for all the pic's. Had forgotten about the cable drive tach's. Think I know who may have one locally. I'll ask... Want the Minilites (or Minilite look), but still undecided.. May come down to what lands in my lap at the right time size & $-wise. My dad used to call them all "upside down gold-mines".. He was in the industry, but never got the enjoyment.
As for doing it right... I want to try.. Some stuff is just sky high, and not right to do when/if a real car may need that part.. I have to consider since it will be street driven a fair amount (I have to have AC in Texas), I'd like to have some level of drivability (Would love another 715 CP carb, but at 1,200+?) may have to try the FiTech or similar route. Aluminum heads vs. cast just for weight & drivability. Headers? Gut says go E-Z w/TriY, but am open...So maybe doing it right in this case leaves a little "wiggle room" for comfort. @ 60, that's worth something to me. The cars were apparently in a number of different configs over the years, so some poetic license to be taken perhaps...
Let me ask the group... Is there any definitive book/publication on the BME Cougars? I've read everything on Shelby over the years... Haven't seen much at all on the TA Cougars
Quote from: 427heaven on April 27, 2021, 09:50:16 AM
The coolness factor is thru the roof, the only saving grace is the initial cost of the car. ;)
Yea, my sons keep staring at me wondering why I think I'm so cool and I'm the only one who knows why? Others here likely suffer or will suffer the same fate? ::)
Quote from: propayne on April 27, 2021, 08:50:17 AM
Hmmm, is that not the "Webster Turns" at Sebring?
That is the only race that; 3 BME Cougars raced at the same time, the Cougars ran Magstar wheels and that Gurney's Cougar was configured like that.
Here are a couple of pics from the fantastic book "Trans-Am, the Pony Car Wars 1966-1972" by Dave Friedman.
Looks like Dick Thompson's number 11 Shelby Mustang is in the same corner.
- Phillip
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-270421084154.jpeg)
" Let me ask the group... Is there any definitive book/publication on the BME Cougars? I've read everything on Shelby over the years... Haven't seen much at all on the TA Cougars"
You should try to reach out and contact Rich Rodeck, he would be the guru on the BME Cougars these days. He's here in the SF Bay Area, Ca.
Cheers,
~Earl J
Quote from: SFM5S000 on April 27, 2021, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on April 27, 2021, 09:32:23 AM
You mentioned you like to "do it right".
Is that a political statement?
Even so, kinda' pricey to do these days and open to interpretation?
Earl, that tach must be noisy with that cable drive, no?
Doug, naaa you can't hear it because the whine from the Jerico is louder. It even drowns out the SW 240A.
I know he knew how to spell "W" ....dub-b-ya
In just two days from now, tomorrow will be yesterday. He will soon have an out-of-money experience.
Cheers
~Earl J
Is THAT what he was sayin'? Dam chewin' tobacco!
Quote from: PrettyMuchAShelbyGuy on April 27, 2021, 10:14:58 AM
@Earl j... Thank you for all the pic's. Had forgotten about the cable drive tach's. Think I know who may have one locally. I'll ask... Want the Minilites (or Minilite look), but still undecided.. May come down to what lands in my lap at the right time size & $-wise. My dad used to call them all "upside down gold-mines".. He was in the industry, but never got the enjoyment.
As for doing it right... I want to try.. Some stuff is just sky high, and not right to do when/if a real car may need that part.. I have to consider since it will be street driven a fair amount (I have to have AC in Texas), I'd like to have some level of drivability (Would love another 715 CP carb, but at 1,200+?) may have to try the FiTech or similar route. Aluminum heads vs. cast just for weight & drivability. Headers? Gut says go E-Z w/TriY, but am open...So maybe doing it right in this case leaves a little "wiggle room" for comfort. @ 60, that's worth something to me. The cars were apparently in a number of different configs over the years, so some poetic license to be taken perhaps...
Let me ask the group... Is there any definitive book/publication on the BME Cougars? I've read everything on Shelby over the years... Haven't seen much at all on the TA Cougars
The carburetors used "initially" were BJ-BK 600 cfm carbs. "390's" were never used nor were C6OF-AA,ABs .There are period photos of the Titus car with these in "stock" form. Later in the year pictures show the switch to "mechanical secondaries" but still a single accelerator discharge nozzle in the front. Later yet in the year , the mechanical secondary "center squirter" design was developed/ used. I have many of these "SK" carburetors in various CFM ratings.
The distributors in Earl's photos were made by ACCEL , not Ford. The "correct" distributor was made by Ford/Autolite Division and has an "XF" number cast onto it. These were also used in ( and created for) the GT40. They are very rare these days . I have two that are NOT for sale as I still use them. The cable attachment is the same as the early Thunderbird/ FT series Ford trucks. I have all of the BME engine build sheets for the Cougar engines.
Quote from: gt350hr on April 27, 2021, 11:49:32 AM
Quote from: PrettyMuchAShelbyGuy on April 27, 2021, 10:14:58 AM
@Earl j... Thank you for all the pic's. Had forgotten about the cable drive tach's. Think I know who may have one locally. I'll ask... Want the Minilites (or Minilite look), but still undecided.. May come down to what lands in my lap at the right time size & $-wise. My dad used to call them all "upside down gold-mines".. He was in the industry, but never got the enjoyment.
As for doing it right... I want to try.. Some stuff is just sky high, and not right to do when/if a real car may need that part.. I have to consider since it will be street driven a fair amount (I have to have AC in Texas), I'd like to have some level of drivability (Would love another 715 CP carb, but at 1,200+?) may have to try the FiTech or similar route. Aluminum heads vs. cast just for weight & drivability. Headers? Gut says go E-Z w/TriY, but am open...So maybe doing it right in this case leaves a little "wiggle room" for comfort. @ 60, that's worth something to me. The cars were apparently in a number of different configs over the years, so some poetic license to be taken perhaps...
Let me ask the group... Is there any definitive book/publication on the BME Cougars? I've read everything on Shelby over the years... Haven't seen much at all on the TA Cougars
The carburetors used "initially" were BJ-BK 600 cfm carbs. "390's" were never used nor were C6OF-AA,ABs .There are period photos of the Titus car with these in "stock" form. Later in the year pictures show the switch to "mechanical secondaries" but still a single accelerator discharge nozzle in the front. Later yet in the year , the mechanical secondary "center squirter" design was developed/ used. I have many of these "SK" carburetors in various CFM ratings.
The distributors in Earl's photos were made by ACCEL , not Ford. The "correct" distributor was made by Ford/Autolite Division and has an "XF" number cast onto it. These were also used in ( and created for) the GT40. They are very rare these days . I have two that are NOT for sale as I still use them. The cable attachment is the same as the early Thunderbird/ FT series Ford trucks. I have all of the BME engine build sheets for the Cougar engines.
Was the XF distributor commonly used by the Shelby and BME cars?
Doug ,
There are pictures of the Titus car with one and the John McComb '67 had/has one. The '67 SAI T/A coupe a friend bought from the original owner , did not have one. There are pictures of the BME Cougar engines without them. The engine build sheets I have do not specify the distributor used.
Randy is correct, those tach drive distributors are made by ACCEL I believe 37201T's or 39201T's. Funny one of them has a FoMoCo stamp on the body. Anyway I was originally referring to the JONES tach.
The XF tach drives Randy refers to I've seen only once, and have never seen one available ever.
If not for the ACCEL's I have, I'd try an find a more modern Ford Motorsport M-12127-A304 with tach drive which I believe were made by MSD who so happened to had one as well.
The only source for the Ford Motorsport piece was Nelson Specialties last time I looked. Make sure you're sitting down when you hear the price they quote you.
Cheers,
~Earl J
I have a used tach drive Accel marked 30201T for a small block and a NOS tach drive distributor for a FE marked 37200T. I bought them years ago for a open track project that came and went. PM if interested.
So the GT40's would all use a mechanical tach? Interesting piece. Thanks for the info gentlemen.
Bob does/did your T/A car have one?
Earl ,
I'll show you one in July! Maybe even the offset T/A 302 version. BTW Nelson retired according to Jay Cushman , who bought out the Ford inventory. The Motorsport 304 dist is almost as scarce as the original XF dist.
Quote from: gt350hr on April 27, 2021, 04:46:58 PM
Earl ,
I'll show you one in July! Maybe even the offset T/A 302 version. BTW Nelson retired according to Jay Cushman , who bought out the Ford inventory. The Motorsport 304 dist is almost as scarce as the original XF dist.
You should start your own museum.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on April 27, 2021, 02:03:30 PM
I have a used tach drive Accel and a new in the box tach drive Accel both for sale if anyone needs one. I forgot about them until this subject came up. 30201T is on the used one and the NOS one is marked 37200T. I bought them years ago for a open track project that came and went. PM if interested.
Is the 37200T for an FE motor?
Quote from: 1109RWHP on April 27, 2021, 07:23:43 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on April 27, 2021, 02:03:30 PM
I have a used tach drive Accel and a new in the box tach drive Accel both for sale if anyone needs one. I forgot about them until this subject came up. 30201T is on the used one and the NOS one is marked 37200T. I bought them years ago for a open track project that came and went. PM if interested.
Is the 37200T for an FE motor?
Yes I double checked and it is for a FE.
I would post the small block one on the BOSS forum because I believe someone was looking for 1 A month or so ago and you should be able sell it fairly quickly. How much are you asking for it?
Roy
Quote from: shelbydoug on April 27, 2021, 04:31:57 PM
So the GT40's would all use a mechanical tach? Interesting piece. Thanks for the info gentlemen.
Bob does/did your T/A car have one?
Yes .Here is a picture of Titus in his 68 TA car at Mid Ohio in 68. You can see the tach drive cable coming off of the distributor.
Quote from: TA Coupe on April 27, 2021, 09:56:06 PM
I would post the small block one on the BOSS forum because I believe someone was looking for 1 A month or so ago and you should be able sell it fairly quickly. How much are you asking for it?
Roy
I will do. 250.00 with tach drive cable and SW tach drive tach.
Look at all that Aeroquip! How sacrilegious. Shelby must have been away in Africa? ;)
Bob as an FYI the dist in your picture is the electronic version used with the Galaxie/ Tbird/ Truck transistorized ignition module. The orange silicone stainless steel core wire was also used with that system. "Some" of the distributors were point style. By "my" serial number tracking , "around" 400 were made.
Quote from: gt350hr on April 28, 2021, 10:52:59 AM
Bob as an FYI the dist in your picture is the electronic version used with the Galaxie/ Tbird/ Truck transistorized ignition module. The orange silicone stainless steel core wire was also used with that system. "Some" of the distributors were point style. By "my" serial number tracking , "around" 400 were made.
Randy, I figure the orange solid core wire was the same wire typically seen used on many 60's competition engines. Interesting to note that the solid core wire plays havoc with electronic ignitions because of the unshielded electrical interference it puts out. I know they are not supposed to be used with any modern ignition systems for that reason. I am surprised it didn't effect the transistorized ignitions of the day in a negative way ether.
Quote from: shelbydoug on April 28, 2021, 07:08:41 AM
Look at all that Aeroquip! How sacrilegious. Shelby must have been away in Africa? ;)
It seems that racers SA and otherwise seemed to start using the anodized different color AN fittings more and more from around 66 on up . At least it appears that way from vintage photos. Does that jive with what you have seen?
I never saw a T/A car in the day with the hood up or for that matter a GT40 that anyone could get that close to.
The first time I remember seeing braided metallic hoses at all were on the 427 Cobra oil coolers and then that started a debate that it wasn't original, that the crimped steel hose ends and matching hoses were.
I'd speculate that it was the independents that started to use it once they started replacing hoses?
In SA's case, the location at the airport just opened doors to them in sort of a progressive way and it took some time to start discovering and considering it probably first for fuel lines.
Having said that, I don't ever remember seeing it on factory Comp roadster or even a coupe. Those were all auto part store rubber fuel hose with worm clamps even on the Webers.
It does open the door to T/A cars particularly those raced by independents, which really is the majority of them. So now, if you want to be "period correct" maybe "Aeroquip", which was the most readily available brand then, IS correct?
Not to denigrate Shel, but he was a cheapskate on many things as well and I can't see him spending $3.50 a foot for fuel hose PLUS the fittings vs. $.50 a foot as a popular thought to run by him.
He probably would have thrown a wrench at Phil Remington if he suggested that? ;D
I CAN envision a scenario in which he would need it for Lemans and let the "Deuce" pay for it then. Yes. That I could see.
Bob ,
Solid wires do not bother "true" transistorized ignitions. They do wreak havoc with "capacitive discharge" designs like "most" modern aftermarket electronic ignitions are.
Randy
You can get a really good set of orange wires from Firecore.
(https://i.imgur.com/kp0T9g1h.jpg)
https://www.customwiresets.com/home.php
I am running one of the Motorsport/MSD units.
(https://i.imgur.com/YHzKa9uh.jpg)
Very Nice distributor. That's the M-12127-A304 I believe. I'd prefer that or the MSD labeled one. Are the orange Firecore wires readily available?
Thanks,
~Earl J
Yes, they use them to make all the Super Stock Hemi wire sets.
https://www.customwiresets.com/home.php
Wow. What a great thread this has been. No doubt I've learned a lot. So, I guess now I need these cool orange wires? I'll add them to the list... Where do I get the fan belts? They need to be on the car too... Appreciate all the help & education on this.
I'd like to have that Autolite decal on the distributor.
You can have your very own. Just need a scissors.
https://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/70-SHOCK-TOWER-DECAL-P810.aspx
Quote from: 1109RWHP on April 28, 2021, 09:15:04 PM
You can have your very own. Just need a scissors.
https://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/70-SHOCK-TOWER-DECAL-P810.aspx
Scissors? Where do you get those?
You are not allowed to have them are you?
Quote from: 1109RWHP on April 28, 2021, 09:35:26 PM
You are not allowed to have them are you?
They hide my keys on me too. >:(