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Title: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: deathsled on July 23, 2021, 07:23:30 PM
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2022-ac-cobra-revealed-in-electric-form-first-deliveries-coming-soon-165843.html
I report you decide. (I've already decided incidentally.)
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: PrettyMuchAShelbyGuy on July 23, 2021, 09:34:37 PM
That's funny...
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: FL SAAC on July 23, 2021, 10:03:00 PM
gives new meaning to the S. S. designation

Super Snake to Silent Snake
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: Don Johnston on July 24, 2021, 01:11:17 AM
Shouldn't it be called a D.C. Cobra, not A.C.? ;D
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: FL SAAC on July 24, 2021, 07:49:14 AM
Shouldn't it be called a D.C. Cobra, not A.C.? ;D

I once new a person like that,  now let's not get off topic

Silent cobra
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: deathsled on July 24, 2021, 08:31:08 AM
The comments are priceless. Very creative, gentlemen.
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: trotrof1 on July 24, 2021, 08:35:25 AM
Well you just need to hire Mel Blanc to make cobra sounds while you drive.
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: gt350shelb on July 24, 2021, 09:14:47 AM
last time this was done the cars were converted to 427s   :)
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: csxsfm on July 24, 2021, 10:05:33 AM
I just bought a wrecked Tesla in case AOC makes me have to make the drive train conversion.  I'll get a millennial to help me program Road America into the auto pilot. 
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: DC-DD on July 24, 2021, 02:03:47 PM
I just bought a wrecked Tesla in case AOC makes me have to make the drive train conversion.  I'll get a millennial to help me program Road America into the auto pilot.


A  AGAINST
O  OUR
C   COUNTRY
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: 67 GT350 on July 24, 2021, 04:02:04 PM
I just bought a wrecked Tesla in case AOC makes me have to make the drive train conversion.  I'll get a millennial to help me program Road America into the auto pilot.


A  AGAINST
O  OUR
C   COUNTRY

+many
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: PrettyMuchAShelbyGuy on July 24, 2021, 04:19:22 PM
Well you just need to hire Mel Blanc to make cobra sounds while you drive.

Well, they appear to have already done it for Ferrari...  Enjoy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjqhmhObCMo
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on October 27, 2021, 03:53:47 PM
The suggested retail price of an example is GBP 138,000 ($189,573), plus on-the-road charges.

Somehow I think the orders will not flood in.

Will they put T-5 on it to sell it in the US? Ford owns the name and has licensed it to SA for their use on 2 seat sports cars.
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: 427heaven on October 27, 2021, 04:01:11 PM
Sacrilegious Snake... or Super Stupid, The list is long! :-[
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: gt350hr on October 27, 2021, 05:08:21 PM
 I smell a lawsuit coming on this one OR a healthy license fee.
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: shelbydoug on October 27, 2021, 05:23:48 PM
The suggested retail price of an example is GBP 138,000 ($189,573), plus on-the-road charges.

Somehow I think the orders will not flood in.

Will they put T-5 on it to sell it in the US? Ford owns the name and has licensed it to SA for their use on 2 seat sports cars.

Is there such a thing as a manual shift EV?  ???
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on October 27, 2021, 05:36:12 PM
The suggested retail price of an example is GBP 138,000 ($189,573), plus on-the-road charges.

Somehow I think the orders will not flood in.

Will they put T-5 on it to sell it in the US? Ford owns the name and has licensed it to SA for their use on 2 seat sports cars.

Is there such a thing as a manual shift EV?  ???

I was referring to the copyright problem Ford had selling Mustangs in Germany: https://www.hagerty.com/media/car-profiles/german-for-mustang/
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: 67 GT350 on October 27, 2021, 05:50:26 PM
That is a crazy story, about those people waring masks!!! LOL
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: 557 on October 27, 2021, 07:19:05 PM
Honestly,kinda slow for an electric…..which makes it even sadder…. :'(
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: FL SAAC on October 27, 2021, 07:52:11 PM


I was referring to the copyright problem Ford had selling Mustangs in Germany: https://www.hagerty.com/media/car-profiles/german-for-mustang/


The infamous T5
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: shelbydoug on October 27, 2021, 08:39:01 PM
Is the manual transmission still a T5? I thought it's a 6 now? It's made in Germany?
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: 67 GT350 on October 27, 2021, 10:06:06 PM
There is a way to fix all this you know.
1. Anyone who does not pay tax or are a net tax drain does not get the right to vote.
2. If you are not a property owner, you do not get the right to vote and by property meaning a minimum of a car that you maintain and pay gas to run.
3. If you are not required to sign up for selective service (I did when I moved here and had no issues with it) to defend the country you do not get the right to vote.
4. If you do not know how to balance a "checkbook" you do not get the right to vote.
5. If your constant siren song is equality of outcome, you do not get the right to vote.
6. Administration of an IQ test before allowing you to vote and having a minimum baseline.
7. Also a civics test before voting and maybe a pole tax of a few dollars to cast a ballot would not hurt either.

Once this deadwood and detritus is cleared away, let the best candidate and/ or party run and win (whoever that might be and I think we already know the answer to that question.)

THEN, we can work on bringing business back to the USA and rebuilding the backbone of this country.

These are just random thoughts I submit.  Not saying these are my thoughts.  Not saying these are not my thoughts.  Just throwing some ideas out there.  Not all of you will agree and hey, I never said all of my ideas were good.

I like your thoughts
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: deathsled on October 27, 2021, 10:48:39 PM
There is a way to fix all this you know.
1. Anyone who does not pay tax or are a net tax drain does not get the right to vote.
2. If you are not a property owner, you do not get the right to vote and by property meaning a minimum of a car that you maintain and pay gas to run.
3. If you are not required to sign up for selective service (I did when I moved here and had no issues with it) to defend the country you do not get the right to vote.
4. If you do not know how to balance a "checkbook" you do not get the right to vote.
5. If your constant siren song is equality of outcome, you do not get the right to vote.
6. Administration of an IQ test before allowing you to vote and having a minimum baseline.
7. Also a civics test before voting and maybe a pole tax of a few dollars to cast a ballot would not hurt either.

Once this deadwood and detritus is cleared away, let the best candidate and/ or party run and win (whoever that might be and I think we already know the answer to that question.)

THEN, we can work on bringing business back to the USA and rebuilding the backbone of this country.

These are just random thoughts I submit.  Not saying these are my thoughts.  Not saying these are not my thoughts.  Just throwing some ideas out there.  Not all of you will agree and hey, I never said all of my ideas were good.

I like your thoughts
Too harsh?  You should have seen me during my University of Toronto days in the 1980s.  I wasn't exactly popular particularly given my area of study was political science.  My colleagues and professors thought I was from another time and another place, if not another planet.
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: tesgt350 on October 28, 2021, 07:18:51 AM
With all the Technology out there, why is it that all these new Companies now building Electric Cars only make it where their Cars only go 100 to 150 Miles per Charge instead of the 350 to 450 Miles per Charge like the bigger Companies are doing.  For what they charge for the Car you would think it would go 450 Miles.
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: deathsled on October 28, 2021, 08:00:36 AM
Yes, you're right, Shelbydoug. I retract my former statement.
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: deathsled on October 28, 2021, 08:07:01 AM
Yes, you're right, Shelbydoug. Political beliefs have a certain genetic component to them such as certain beliefs are the result of a larger amygdala, right? No one can help that or change it.  Therefore, I retract my former statement.
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: deathsled on October 28, 2021, 08:42:55 AM
You're not burning any bridges with me Shelbydoug. I happen to like you.
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: shelbydoug on October 28, 2021, 08:44:46 AM
Others here aren't so open minded.
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: S7MS427 on October 28, 2021, 09:10:32 AM
This seems to be an invitation or maybe a challenge to discuss or debate political philosophies here? I thought it was clear that was not to be permitted on this Forum?

Now personally I do realize that there is a lot of frustration out there and to some, there is no other place to express it then here. So I recently I've tried to give a lot of space to others to blow off steam, but are you serious? You want to debate here?
I don't think that is a wise decision.

Personally I'm trying to let this go but I can't guaranty it will remain that way. YOU are opening a major can of worms here.

A very big +1.  This forum is about cars not politics.
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: deathsled on October 28, 2021, 09:29:15 AM
I retracted my former statement. Going to see if I can delete it
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: deathsled on October 28, 2021, 09:31:24 AM
I removed it however, I am unable to remove the statement from your quote.
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: shelbydoug on October 28, 2021, 09:45:29 AM
I will delete mine but it is quoted in others replies as well. I wouldn't hold out hope that they will do the same, including your own reply.  ;)

Sorry if I caused any grief. That is not my intention.
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: deathsled on October 28, 2021, 09:58:03 AM
No grief at all Shelbydoug. We're cool. You are a complex thinker. I always enjoy your insights and observations.
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: PrettyMuchAShelbyGuy on October 28, 2021, 10:08:48 AM
Wish there was a 'like' button for some of these posts.  Great thread gents.
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: deathsled on October 28, 2021, 10:13:37 AM
I know I can be a $#@& disturber sometimes.  Things sometimes fly out of my head and onto paper or a screen in a stream of consciousness sometimes. I should exercise better restraint.  That is the failing on my part.
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: shelbydoug on October 28, 2021, 10:19:14 AM
No grief at all Shelbydoug. We're cool. You are a complex thinker. I always enjoy your insights and observations.

A complex thinker? That's complex? I suppose it could be a reason that no one knows, WTF I'm talking about? Frankly, sometimes I don't even care what I think, i.e., what my opinion is. Certainly no one else does.  ;)

On my own thoughts, sometimes I'm the first one to think, "what an effin as shole", but I can't shut up my mouth. It goes in rebellion against ANY common sense just to be a contrary.

I blame my parents. They were the ones to mix up the genetic code.

One of the GREAT philosophers of our time said, "life is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you'll get." Thank you Forest.


I think it would be appropriate at this moment to remind you that a good attorney never asks a question that he doesn't already have the answer to (supposedly)? Don't ask questions as you did, you will just start a riot that you can't stop.  8)

...and not that you intended but playing Devil's Advocate can get you burned at the stake as a witch.

I MIGHT be able to save you from the stake but; "How do you tell a witch? Simple. Throw them in the water. If they float, they are a witch - BURN THE WITCH! If they drown...they WEREN'T a witch."  ;)

Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: deathsled on October 28, 2021, 12:02:46 PM
No grief at all Shelbydoug. We're cool. You are a complex thinker. I always enjoy your insights and observations.

A complex thinker? That's complex? I suppose it could be a reason that no one knows, WTF I'm talking about? Frankly, sometimes I don't even care what I think, i.e., what my opinion is. Certainly no one else does.  ;)

On my own thoughts, sometimes I'm the first one to think, "what an effin as shole", but I can't shut up my mouth. It goes in rebellion against ANY common sense just to be a contrary.

I blame my parents. They were the ones to mix up the genetic code.

One of the GREAT philosophers of our time said, "life is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you'll get." Thank you Forest.


I think it would be appropriate at this moment to remind you that a good attorney never asks a question that he doesn't already have the answer to (supposedly)? Don't ask questions as you did, you will just start a riot that you can't stop.  8)

...and not that you intended but playing Devil's Advocate can get you burned at the stake as a witch.

I MIGHT be able to save you from the stake but; "How do you tell a witch? Simple. Throw them in the water. If they float, they are a witch - BURN THE WITCH! If they drown...they WEREN'T a witch."  ;)
I know all about witches.  I was married to a couple of them.  But that's my own fault for not doing my due diligence.  Young and stupid, I was.  Now I'm just old and stupid, but not stupid in that way anymore.
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: deathsled on October 28, 2021, 12:08:58 PM
Going to reply to myself here. Stop hijacking threads. In this instance I hijacked my own. That said, electric Cobra. Not so much.
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: mark p on October 28, 2021, 01:23:23 PM
"Electric Cobra"
.... does that qualify as an oxymoron? ??? ::) :-\ :o
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: shelbydoug on October 28, 2021, 01:36:43 PM
"Electric Cobra"
.... does that qualify as an oxymoron? ??? ::) :-\ :o

Not in the true sense but the new owner is somewhat?


As far as the thread being hijacked, sometimes the unexpected side trip is the most fun?
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: Don Johnston on October 28, 2021, 02:18:20 PM
"Electric Cobra"
.... does that qualify as an oxymoron? ??? ::) :-\ :o

Absolutely shocking!
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: shelbydoug on October 28, 2021, 05:32:59 PM
"Electric Cobra"
.... does that qualify as an oxymoron? ??? ::) :-\ :o

Absolutely shocking!

ZZZT ZZZT! Kind of an automotive version of the Frankenstein Monster? Or is that Frankenstien?
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: FL SAAC on October 28, 2021, 05:47:18 PM
I personally find this topic electrifying and somewhat illuminating

Going to reply to myself here. Stop hijacking threads. In this instance I hijacked my own. That said, electric Cobra. Not so much.
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: stingray230sx on January 07, 2022, 03:33:44 PM
With all the Technology out there, why is it that all these new Companies now building Electric Cars only make it where their Cars only go 100 to 150 Miles per Charge instead of the 350 to 450 Miles per Charge like the bigger Companies are doing.  For what they charge for the Car you would think it would go 450 Miles.

best question ever !!!!   A friend just posted that oft repeated meme during snowstorms, you know the one that shows a giant snarl of stuck cars and indicating electric cars would be even worse as they would kill their batteries trying to keep warm, and then be dead in the road blocking traffic and even generator towing saves couldn't get to them.........it was fact checked with that "there is no evidence electric cars fair worse during snow storms....jeezuz i would like to choke the fact checker that wrote that bull chit
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: gt350hr on January 07, 2022, 03:43:15 PM
    So they use less fossil fuel but SUCK UP electrical power and will still have those TOXIC batteries to deal with. THIS IS PROGRESS!!!!
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: Bob Gaines on January 07, 2022, 05:00:15 PM
    So they use less fossil fuel but SUCK UP electrical power and will still have those TOXIC batteries to deal with. THIS IS PROGRESS!!!!
The electric power typically comes from a coal or gas fired power grid so there is that. I am not sure the relationship with how many miles a electric car can travel vs the amount of gas or coal it takes to run it that far and a comparison with the same using gasoline. The toxic battery disposal and the toxic process to manufacture the batteries are being down played IMO.
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: mark p on January 07, 2022, 05:48:02 PM
    So they use less fossil fuel but SUCK UP electrical power and will still have those TOXIC batteries to deal with. THIS IS PROGRESS!!!!
The electric power typically comes from a coal or gas fired power grid so there is that. I am not sure the relationship with how many miles a electric car can travel vs the amount of gas or coal it takes to run it that far and a comparison with the same using gasoline. The toxic battery disposal and the toxic process to mine the component minerals and manufacture the batteries are being down played IMO.

Bob, +1, but I added one thought - hope that is OK.

Also, I keep wondering if anyone who supports the "Green New Deal" and this "total change" to B.E.V.s can do any math?  :o I doubt it.
IF - we change all cars and trucks (not sure about trains and ships?) to Battery Power...
PLUS - we eliminate coal & natural gas fired electricity generation (probably also need to get rid of those nasty nuclear power plants)
HOW MUCH "green" energy generation will be needed? ... and how long is that going to take to get built?
(Yes, I want to see the Megawatt requirement calculation for all of those vehicles)
oops, I almost forgot to include the extra MW to replace home usage of natural gas and propane... heater, stove, dryer, hot water...

Hmmm... I seem to be a bit cynical  ??? ::)
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: Side-Oilers on January 07, 2022, 06:03:49 PM
^^^ A friend who writes for Forbes Business has been thoroughly researching exactly these questions, and is going to post his in-depth article very soon.  I will post the link here, when it's live.

I have continually reviewed/critiqued/asked more questions about his article, as it was being researched.   Rest assured, this author is extremely thorough, professional, and pulls no punches. 

He has worked at the future product development level at Ford, and has deep contacts there, and at other major car companies.  He's interviewed scientists and other actual experts.  He calls out the BS claims and fear mongering of media and politicians.   It's an enlightening read.

Stay tuned...


Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: deathsled on January 07, 2022, 06:38:00 PM
You guys (I mean people lol) are making way too much sense.  We can't have that in 2022.  Sorry.  No critical thinking allowed.  Okay?
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: 68countrysedan on January 07, 2022, 07:19:31 PM
Quote
Hmmm... I seem to be a bit cynical  ??? ::)

Maybe not cynical enough.

In the recent I95/ Washington DC snow closure, it occurred to me, that if a gas powered car ran out, pour in 2 gallons and you're on your way.

If a EV is dead on the road, then you. . .? Plus when someone stops at a charging station, say traveling to Las Vegas when it's a 100 or 35 out, are you just going to sit in your car texting for 10-15 minutes sweating or bundled up?

As for companies switching to sell only EVs (which apparently Chrysler is planning) will they no longer sell cars in central/ south America / Africa / middle east? Because I don't see any of those nations remotley equipped with an electrical grid (save maybe the middle east) that could handle mass EV charging, let alone having the funds to revamp grids to begin with.

PS: Don't even get started on solar and wind power.   
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: 5s386 on January 08, 2022, 04:49:14 PM
I wonder if they have options like: Heated seats, GPS, electric side curtains, cruise control, cigarette lighter, and so on.

  My biggest concern is: How much is a tune up. And, can I do the tune up myself.
   ;D

Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: Drew Pojedinec on January 08, 2022, 06:56:46 PM
Eh.
You guys are thinking way too much about this whole thing.
There is an ass for every seat.

Me?  I’m into cars because I just like machinery. I’m not overly fond of wires, so no interest.
I’m sure there is some dude out there with $200k who is just dying to buy this thing.

I view them the same way as the guy that buys fuel injection for a big FE stroker….
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on January 08, 2022, 07:17:51 PM
AC Cars have decided to offer the Series 1 of the Cobra Electric in just four colors, and all of them have electric in their name. Blue is the first on the list, as you can observe in the photo gallery, but customers can also opt for black, white, or green.

Electric Blue - I have visions of a large electrical arc burning it down
Electric Green - The eco model as fast as a golf cart but with great mileage
Electric White - For the OCD owner no dirty grease/oil/or gas
Electric Black - Built with Lucas electrics - you'll have to have it towed everywhere.
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: gt350hr on January 10, 2022, 11:24:12 AM
     Bob ,
     Out here in the wild west , most of our power is hydro electric or solar. , not coal or gas. A charge is usually good for 240-300 miles. So you go that far and if you use gas you refill in 5-10 minutes. With electricity it HOURS , WHEN you find a charging station. Add that to your travel time. Still waiting to see the electric airplane.
   Randy
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: Bob Gaines on January 10, 2022, 12:39:36 PM
     Bob ,
     Out here in the wild west , most of our power is hydro electric or solar. , not coal or gas. A charge is usually good for 240-300 miles. So you go that far and if you use gas you refill in 5-10 minutes. With electricity it HOURS , WHEN you find a charging station. Add that to your travel time. Still waiting to see the electric airplane.
   Randy
Randy ,CA yes hydro and solar but the country as a whole uses more gas and coal. That is why I used "typically". The brown outs last summer because of where most of CA's power comes from was a big problem at the usage level in today's world. Think about what would happen if the all of the CA cars and trucks had to charge off of the power grid as well . I hope smarter heads can come up with answers to our country's electrical grid problems .
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: mark p on January 10, 2022, 12:40:30 PM
     Bob ,
     Out here in the wild west , most of our power is hydro electric or solar. , not coal or gas. A charge is usually good for 240-300 miles. So you go that far and if you use gas you refill in 5-10 minutes. With electricity it HOURS , WHEN you find a charging station. Add that to your travel time. Still waiting to see the electric airplane.
   Randy

^^^ oops, I neglected the jetfuel in the calculations.
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on January 10, 2022, 01:24:12 PM
Out here in the wild west , most of our power is hydro electric or solar. , not coal or gas.

That's what they want you to think. Here is SoCal Edison's numbers from 2020 - Solar 15.1%, Wind 9.4%, Hydro 3.3%. for a total of 27.8%  . Far from most.

LADWP has the clean record for SoCal and their total is still less than 1/3 at 30.7%.

Edison lists over 45% "Unspecified Power" they buy from sources where they don't know how it was generated - it would be easy to sort out but they don't want you to know it's more than likely coal and oil not natural gas.

LADWP only has 0.1% as Unspecified Power and they list 43.9% from Gas/Coal.
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: gt350hr on January 11, 2022, 10:48:48 AM
  Yes Bob , I FULLY agree!!! It's just like removing heavy polluting manufacturing from the US. Yipeee we're clean. BUT the WORLD still needs the products and shifting that manufacturing to China ( where pollution is horrific) STILL affects US because of the "fish bowl" planet we live on. Shifting from fossil fuel to electric WILL reduce tail pipe emissions for sure BUT will crash the power grid doing it. The tree huggers will rejoice because of all the "NEW JOBS" created as we scramble to expand the grid to keep up. A different group of people will get rich off of the transition and everyone will call it "prosperity".  Gasoline will not go away in my lifetime thank God.
    Randy
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: Chad on January 11, 2022, 01:15:17 PM
I do not think this is the way God intended A Cobra to be!!
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: gt350hr on January 11, 2022, 03:46:28 PM
 +1
Title: Re: Sacrilege or a step in the right direction
Post by: Benny on January 26, 2022, 03:41:41 AM
Yes, yes now see it, a car for the latte sipping, cappuccino drinking, gender pandering, virtual signalling self indulgent weiner, give me a break. You would have to be a wankersarus to buy one of those.