Possibly the 7.3 liter "Godzilla" engine.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/41971/v8-ford-gt-this-test-mule-could-pack-a-twin-turbo-7-3l-engine
Now that would make it the "The King"
Rumors have a certain nugget of truth about them. A 7.3 liter engine with twin turbos would be an absolute monster in that car. It already is a beast.
I would suspect there might be some "cosmetic" changes to the current platform to go along with this power plant. Think further aerodynamic enhancements.
Quote from: deathsled on August 13, 2021, 03:15:43 PM
Rumors have a certain nugget of truth about them. A 7.3 liter engine with twin turbos would be an absolute monster in that car. It already is a beast.
But one must keep their feet firmly on the ground, all of this at what greater cost ?
C8
Materiam superabat opus.
I wonder if the are working with the GT90 concept? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_GT90
Quote from: FL SAAC on August 13, 2021, 03:32:20 PM
Quote from: deathsled on August 13, 2021, 03:15:43 PM
Rumors have a certain nugget of truth about them. A 7.3 liter engine with twin turbos would be an absolute monster in that car. It already is a beast.
But one must keep their feet firmly on the ground, all of this at what greater cost ?
C8
Materiam superabat opus.
"Whatever the asking price, mister, it's not enough." Arnie Cunningham-Christine
Quote from: deathsled on August 13, 2021, 06:33:18 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC on August 13, 2021, 03:32:20 PM
Quote from: deathsled on August 13, 2021, 03:15:43 PM
Rumors have a certain nugget of truth about them. A 7.3 liter engine with twin turbos would be an absolute monster in that car. It already is a beast.
But one must keep their feet firmly on the ground, all of this at what greater cost ?
C8
Materiam superabat opus.
"Whatever the asking price, mister, it's not enough." Arnie Cunningham-Christine
hombre, you now how to say GT90 in Latin? I do : pertransiri non possint
Of course the Ford GT should have a V8, although the EcoBoost V6 powered GT is very,very good.
To us mortals this is just an academic exercise.
Let's just now talk about cost as infinity to the power of infinity?
Machismo isn't a complimentary term?
Ford IS showing it's true colors and it's kinda' ugly.
What mortals are going to be worthy of these? Aren't they already past the abilities of the "Captains of Industry"?
+ 1
Well said
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 11, 2021, 07:58:14 AM
To us mortals this is just an academic exercise.
Let's just now talk about cost as infinity to the power of infinity?
Machismo isn't a complimentary term?
Ford IS showing it's true colors and it's kinda' ugly.
What mortals are going to be worthy of these? Aren't they already past the abilities of the "Captains of Industry"?
Quote from: FL SAAC on November 11, 2021, 08:11:48 AM
+ 1
Well said
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 11, 2021, 07:58:14 AM
To us mortals this is just an academic exercise.
Let's just now talk about cost as infinity to the power of infinity?
Machismo isn't a complimentary term?
Ford IS showing it's true colors and it's kinda' ugly.
What mortals are going to be worthy of these? Aren't they already past the abilities of the "Captains of Industry"?
Speaking truth to Power is, has and always will be a delicate subject. Truth can seem harsh.
Speaking to the choir, back to the topic at hand Ford GT at a stratospheric price unattainable to normal humans (unless you own your own rocket company)
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 11, 2021, 08:21:58 AM
Quote from: FL SAAC on November 11, 2021, 08:11:48 AM
+ 1
Well said
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 11, 2021, 07:58:14 AM
To us mortals this is just an academic exercise.
Let's just now talk about cost as infinity to the power of infinity?
Machismo isn't a complimentary term?
Ford IS showing it's true colors and it's kinda' ugly.
What mortals are going to be worthy of these? Aren't they already past the abilities of the "Captains of Industry"?
Speaking truth to Power is, has and always will be a delicate subject. Truth can seem harsh.
I can see Ford's idea of using the EcoBoostV6 for "class racing @Lemans" . BUT this is good old USA horsepower racing! Ford needs to stomp on the now rear engine Corvette with a mega V8. The Ford GT has proven it will sell out regardless of "retail price". Just give it POWER.
Quote from: gt350hr on November 11, 2021, 11:20:16 AMThe Ford GT has proven it will sell out regardless of "retail price". Just give it POWER.
It's easy for a name company to sell a half million dollar car when you hype it with influencers and limit production. You can tell the real fans of the marque they are the ones willing to put a million dollar profit into the pockets of some millenial who held the car for 2 years.
There are also rumors they are working on the current Ford GT as a hybrid and that a detuned hybrid package with the Ford GT engine will be the top power package in the next gen Mustang.
I suspect we seeing the last of the GT500 - Ford is now offering the GT500 engine as a crate motor which tells me they are overstocked for their production and warranty needs. I wonder if Shelby American will offer a 1000 hp upgrade.
As long as the next generation is not a Ford GT-EV, I am okay with whatever Ford develops. 8)
QuoteAs long as the next generation is not a Ford GT-EV, I am okay with whatever Ford develops
100% Amen.
Quote from: Don Johnston on November 11, 2021, 01:02:55 PM
As long as the next generation is not a Ford GT-EV, I am okay with whatever Ford develops. 8)
They are currently working on where to put the batteries. Didn't you know?
Dodge is hammering out monster V8's in the Challenger and Demon and Chevy's got a world class V8 Corvette. And lets not forget all the other's out there building silly little V10's, V12's and V16's. Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, Bugatti, Audi and on and on.
For f#ck sakes, why doesn't Ford give us all what we really want? A V8 in the Raptor and a V8 in the FGT! Maybe they're too busy tripping over their skirts and shoving all the pennies they've saved up their a$$es to make it happen. >:(
They can take one of the grossly overpriced V8 Raptors or V8 Ford GT's that they'll sell me and build 10 electric vehicles to offset my carbon footprint OR, JUST MAYBE, my next purchase should be a Challenger, a Ferrari, a Lamborghini, a Mclearen, an Audi or god forbid....... a gawd damn Corvette!!!! :o
QSS
PS. I cant afford a Bugatti otherwise I would have included it in my "next purchase" rant. :P
Here's the thing. For the most part, US vehicle production is still the big three. Ford, GM and Chrysler.
GM and Chrysler have decided to make their "ultra-products" relatively affordable to the American general population.
Ford on the other hand has decided on exclusivity taking theirs out of reach.
Now you may want to point out that Shelby American (Las Vegas) is still in business and that their vehicles are in the "relatively affordable" catagory (the upper end) and that they are "Fords" not Chevys but that's not what we are really talking about here.
We are talking about Ford's decision to compete with the Euro exclusivity of Lamborghini, Ferrari, Aston Martin, etc.
Now if I think about it, going way back in my lifetime, this has been the trend from "the Deuce" all along. He always wanted a Ferrari type offering and played with that on more then one occasion.
Certainly Shelby himself enters into this equation with bad mouthing Ferrari and battling with Cobra offerings.
At this point you COULD introduce the GT350 as an argument but it was never really intended by anyone as a Ferrari fighter. It also probably would never have existed if Iococca didn't "commission" Shelby to put more "pizzaz" in the Mustang.
So anyway, enter the GT40. ANOTHER Ioccoca conception of battling Ferrari in Europe with the desirable effect of making the Ford domestic offerings more "sexy".
Now what's my point? There isn't anyone that can argue that the GT40 was intended to be a domestic Corvette market fighter ever. It was in Ford's eyes, a Euro racer, but at some point someone suggested exclusivity to Leddo and they offered 15 Mark III's.
Hum? Now wait a minute. Shelby thinks that sure, I want to beat Ferrari into the pavement with the Cobra. I can offer it to the US public for around 1/2 of the cost of a Ferrari? It SHOULD sell like hot cakes here right?
Not according to the total build data we now know. So eventually Shelby comes around to the thinking of exclusivity with the Cobra.
Why think of them as "Secretaries cars" like the initial reaction to the Mustang was at $2,300 starting prices?
I don't think that was the initial thought of CS but I do think that he changed his thinking eventually and felt vilafied when used Cobra prices escalated like a Saturn 5 at liftoff.
It became a thing that he didn't want the guys in the mail room owning and driving around LA in 427 Cobras. He wanted "Captains of Industry" exclusively owning them. Stands to reason, that sure satisfied his ego.
Now the nature of Corporate people like Ioccoca is to be multifaceted and set the table for future posibilities where the Corporation could steer in with new self images of what it is or could be? That's really why they command astronomical remuneration well beyond what normal pay would be.
They are there to ENVISION possibilities and influence others into that thinking of discovery.
Lee had that effect at Ford and at Chrysler as well. At one point under his leadership Chrysler bought Lamborghini. Remember him introducing the Diablo with the Chrysler VIN tags in '91?
This present thinking at Ford of exclusivity is just a continuation of this thought process. The "office of the Ford GT" is just an almost independent arm of Ford commissioned to experiment with a bit of creative thinking, seeing where this will all lead to. That's all well and good for the Corp and with their current profit levels is affordable even though if they look at the Ford GT's in any form on a cost per unit basis, a major financial loss.
The sticker price on those things was initially set arbitrarily at $250,000.
Do you think that GM and Chrysler don't watch what the other guy is doing? Of course not.
Previous to the Ford GT, Chrysler had decided on offering the Viper. In all fairness to Chrysler, they never could find a design theme or designers to offer anything that didn't look like some sort of a Hemi taxi cab. A Checker cab of sorts with a Hemi and automatic transmission with push buttons on the dash.
Ok. I guess they knew their market but the Viper is hardly a Ferrari beater so back to the taxi cab theory of putting monster engines in four doors. Just leave off the push button transmissions?
900hp Demons? Sure BUT they are offered to the general public to commit mass suicide in if desired.
Now GM's idea is a better point and maybe just because they are in a better position of having established product identity in the Corvette? They can take their product development in the Corvette (AND HAVE), eventually apply it to all GM products in one form or another and marginally offer it to the general public without Italian supercar exclusivity prices.
This has the added benefit of rubbing the noses of the Exec's at Ford and Chrysler in the dog do-do amongst other things.
As a just everyday pion at some point in the near future I MIGHT be able to afford the C8 Z06. It is a possibility. It is certainly more attractive to my Walter Mitty-ism then spending $75,000 on a new F150. That simply doesn't cut it.
And (never start a sentence with an And) although the leather in the new Shelby's is intoxicating, somehow, someway along the lines I have lost the desire for those skiny red Penticostal Lemans stripes and street pimp 21" wheels? Those simply aren't going to get me laid anymore! All those 19 year old cashiers at Trader Joes simply don't dig me any more.
So that's the thing. The C8 Corvette is affordable with the same wow factor as the Ford GT at something like 1/4 the price of the Ford GT. That's reality. MY REALITY and even if I had a Ford GT, I couldn't park it in the lot in front of Trader Joes. The Corvette I probably could get away with putting it way in the back.
In addition, ANYONE SUGGESTING that it was Ford who made their exclusive racing parts available to ANYONE across the counter is simply incorrect AND WASN'T there.
Us OLD GUYS were.
GT40 289 heads '60s XE blocks were simply for the 'Friends of the Program. Whereas I could walk into Byrne Brothers Chevy Parts Department in White Plains and buy across the counter absolutely any high performance part that I could come up with the part number on.
Z28 short blocks for $350 for instance, so stop the crap about Ford making their racing parts available. You absolutely, positively DON'T KNOW WTF (in street racing vernacular) you are talking about! I fought those wars. I'll show you the scars. Make up some other stories that sound good.
Ford simply now won't take up the challenge of making their wares available. Chevy is. Where's this all going? It kinda' all looks predictable based upon past history but maybe Ford will surprize us but I wouldn't count on it and I might add, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN AN EV MUSTANG SUV! Get real FoMoCo.
I guess I'm just not one of their Peeps anymore. It's sad. It's like thinking of an old girl friend. Yea you're right. So what? She's pretty old by now. ::)
Shelbydoug, I've worked at GM for 36 plus years now. Now with the Vette I believe we have come a long way since I got hired in 1985. Last summer driving our no air conditioned GT350 vert in 90 plus sunny weather at the Woodward dream cruise while parked at M1 Concourse next to other Shelbys and my friend's 67 390 FB my wife looked at my friend's other car he was driving for the weekend- A dark blue 2014 GT500 tastefully modified(Super snake hood and 50 annv SS wheels)parked across the track. She asked how much for a late model cruiser with air and amenities? I know she is receptive to add a late model but I want it to be a C8-specifically a Z06 after watching our 1/2 hour commercial on it. She thinks they are too low and that bothers her. I have no desire to own a late model Shelby at this time. Hopefully I can get her into a C8 or C6-7 and maybe change her mind. Then I'd have to buy a lift and do some other garage work for it to fit. Gary
Quote from: gt350hr on November 11, 2021, 11:20:16 AM
I can see Ford's idea of using the EcoBoostV6 for "class racing @Lemans" . BUT this is good old USA horsepower racing! Ford needs to stomp on the now rear engine Corvette with a mega V8. The Ford GT has proven it will sell out regardless of "retail price". Just give it POWER.
Randy would it be really fair to compare a V8 GT to a Vette considering the GT would be at least 4 times as expensive? I'm sure a Vette owner could upgrade his Vette, still have a few hundred grand in his pocket and stomp the next gen Ford GT. But GM is also working on electric from drive along with the rear drive for future Vettes so it would make it all interesting. Gary
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 12, 2021, 09:20:26 AM
Shelbydoug, I've worked at GM for 36 plus years now. Now with the Vette I believe we have come a long way since I got hired in 1985. Last summer driving our no air conditioned GT350 vert in 90 plus sunny weather at the Woodward dream cruise while parked at M1 Concourse next to other Shelbys and my friend's 67 390 FB my wife looked at my friend's other car he was driving for the weekend- A dark blue 2014 GT500 tastefully modified(Super snake hood and 50 annv SS wheels)parked across the track. She asked how much for a late model cruiser with air and amenities? I know she is receptive to add a late model but I want it to be a C8-specifically a Z06 after watching our 1/2 hour commercial on it. She thinks they are too low and that bothers her. I have no desire to own a late model Shelby at this time. Hopefully I can get her into a C8 or C6-7 and maybe change her mind. Then I'd have to buy a lift and do some other garage work for it to fit. Gary
Desperate times require desperate measures!
I'm even thinking of selling one of my "Ford's"! But which one?
Hey. Join the club! I need a lift now just to polish out my wheels!
Here's the plan! I can raise the garage roof or the carports to get the lift in...but then I'd wind up stacking the cars and it would defeat the purpose.
Oh what to do, what to do? "Discipline 007...discipline!"
Gentlemen this is pretty simple, the GT is a much superior engineered vehicle end of conversion.
But at $500,000 + plus price, the vetting process that is ridiculous, very exclusive and restricts your freedom to market/sell your vehicle.....versus a world class competitor the C8 starting at $60k.
Well you decide and it is easy to decide to purchase a Ford GT if you own your own rocket company and have all the funding in the world (and beyond)you purchase the C8.
Us normal pheasants will settle for the world class C8
But remember this always:
Apparently GM noticed as I did that Ford wanted to offer exclusivity over anything to just a few and at a price only a few could afford.
This is one heck of an answer as to what they can cook up. Great job GM.
Not only has GM "knocked it our of the park", they've redefined the game and shaming Ford is definitely part of the plan.
Pow. Ball is in your court now Ford. Let's see you beat this C8 Corvette. That I want to see. I want to see you make me want the Ford.
I want to see how you word the Shelby vs. the world, Jack the Giant Killer that you sold us in the '60s and convince me that the Ford GT is just that. A world beater for the working class. That would indeed be black magic.
To say that the Ford is much superior I don't agree with. YOU would need to show me bolt for bolt why. Can you do that?
Yes. The issue is exclusivity. If I think about it, Ford has backed itself into a corner.
Even if it relented and made it's car as available and competitive as the Corvette is price wise, it would get hit with law suites seeking damages for the cars drop in values that it has already sold.
All that glitters isn't gold. This issue of exclusivity has created a perception of greater cost equals greater quality. I say that is a critical flaw of your perception.
However this is a battle of the "Giants", not us mere mortals. We can only hope that GM's actions will create trickle down effects for us here on the ground. Not for those merely up in the clouds?
To get back on topic, I rember seeing the first GT, i said what a work of art.
Then i viewed the engine and said oh noooooooo !
The Ford representative noticed my dismay and came back it's very fast.
I just kept saying over and over in my head oh nooooooo!
My opinion, if it does get a V8 it will then return to the mans world of cars.
As stated previously by other's :
"And lets not forget all the other's out there building silly little V10's, V12's and V16's. Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, Bugatti, Audi and on and on."
Gary,
"IF" the Ford GT was a "production vehicle" ( instead of limited production) made in similar quantities as the Corvette , I'm positive the price would be more in line with the Vette. We are looking at 10+ times the volume. FORD seriously needs to pay attention to what it's customers want. As I mentioned , I understand the "rules" built turbo V-6 thing but LeMans was won as they targeted to do , so to return to the real Supercar world , they need to up their game. When a commonly available Challenger has more HP, it's hard to look at the GT as a "supercar".Expensive cars MUST have features that draw customers to them as there are more choices than ever. If the Ford GT out performs a Bugatti , Lambo , McLaren etc , people will buy them If it has a 600 HP ( or so) V6 instead of a 1,000 HP V8 , sales will suffer for sure. People with that kind of disposable income don't care about another fifty grand , they just want the ultimate.
Randy
Quote from: FL SAAC on November 12, 2021, 10:39:58 AM
To get back on topic, I rember seeing the first GT, i said what a work of art.
Then i viewed the engine and said oh noooooooo !
The Ford representative noticed my dismay and came back it's very fast.
I just kept saying over and over in my head oh nooooooo!
My opinion, if it does get a V8 it will then return to the mans world of cars.
As stated previously by other's :
"And lets not forget all the other's out there building silly little V10's, V12's and V16's. Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, Bugatti, Audi and on and on."
What changes with the V8? It's just as crippling of concept as the V6. It's only catering to someone else concept. It isn't going to change the exclusivity of the car or create a greater market.
The free thinking on the part of Ford was the turbo V6. They knew it would take criticism but by doing so they were making a statement that they didn't care what the "peanut gallery" wanted or conceived of because it was their concept. Take it or leave it and that didn't matter because they were only going to build ten or eleven of them? Well maybe twelve?
No. If they change it to a V8, it's for other reasons. Not because that's what we want.
Well here's an additional thought.
What would it take for Ford to start up a Corvette type production line and volume?
Could they justify a reduction in price of the Ford GT to Corvette Z06 competitiveness by installing a V8 and claiming that it reduced the cost dramatically?
Did they initially dismiss the thought of competing with the Corvette because the "Corvette market" was impenetrable and maybe are now wavering at a try?
Is Ford way ahead of you on this Doug? Sorry I talk to myself often. Why? I'm the only one that listens. ;D
I'm actually a little pissed about all of this. We kick this stuff around for free and the Exec's get paid BIG money to do this for a job? >:(
They probably regularly insult each other and throw spitballs behind each others backs...just like here! I could be good at that for money? 8)
YOU hit it the nail right on its head !
they are catering to people with huge disposable incomes, asking them to go to big events and post ALL the fun they are having on social media with their trailered GTs that roll off the ramps unto the red carpet
See, see, see they do drive them.....LMAO !
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 10:51:40 AM
Quote from: FL SAAC on November 12, 2021, 10:39:58 AM
To get back on topic, I rember seeing the first GT, i said what a work of art.
Then i viewed the engine and said oh noooooooo !
The Ford representative noticed my dismay and came back it's very fast.
I just kept saying over and over in my head oh nooooooo!
My opinion, if it does get a V8 it will then return to the mans world of cars.
As stated previously by other's :
"And lets not forget all the other's out there building silly little V10's, V12's and V16's. Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, Bugatti, Audi and on and on."
What changes with the V8? It's just as crippling of concept as the V6. It's only catering to someone else concept. It isn't going to change the exclusivity of the car or create a greater market.
The free thinking on the part of Ford was the turbo V6. They knew it would take criticism but by doing so they were making a statement that they didn't care what the "peanut gallery" wanted or conceived of because it was their concept. Take it or leave it and that didn't matter because they were only going to build ten or eleven of them? Well maybe twelve?
No. If they change it to a V8, it's for other reasons. Not because that's what we want.
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 09:30:53 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 12, 2021, 09:20:26 AM
Shelbydoug, I've worked at GM for 36 plus years now. Now with the Vette I believe we have come a long way since I got hired in 1985. Last summer driving our no air conditioned GT350 vert in 90 plus sunny weather at the Woodward dream cruise while parked at M1 Concourse next to other Shelbys and my friend's 67 390 FB my wife looked at my friend's other car he was driving for the weekend- A dark blue 2014 GT500 tastefully modified(Super snake hood and 50 annv SS wheels)parked across the track. She asked how much for a late model cruiser with air and amenities? I know she is receptive to add a late model but I want it to be a C8-specifically a Z06 after watching our 1/2 hour commercial on it. She thinks they are too low and that bothers her. I have no desire to own a late model Shelby at this time. Hopefully I can get her into a C8 or C6-7 and maybe change her mind. Then I'd have to buy a lift and do some other garage work for it to fit. Gary
Desperate times require desperate measures!
I'm even thinking of selling one of my "Ford's"! But which one?
Hey. Join the club! I need a lift now just to polish out my wheels!
Here's the plan! I can raise the garage roof or the carports to get the lift in...but then I'd wind up stacking the cars and it would defeat the purpose.
Oh what to do, what to do? "Discipline 007...discipline!"
I have always had garage problems(1st pic 1990). Lift seems like the answer compared to one sitting outside all the time.
The answer is plain and simple, NO they will not !
Why should they do this if they have an exclusive club catering to people who for the large portion are not car enthusiasts that drive their vehicle as intended ?
Just keep raking in the money
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 11:08:01 AM
Well here's an additional thought.
What would it take for Ford to start up a Corvette type production line and volume?
Could they justify a reduction in price of the Ford GT to Corvette Z06 competitiveness by installing a V8 and claiming that it reduced the cost dramatically?
Did they initially dismiss the thought of competing with the Corvette because the "Corvette market" was impenetrable and maybe are now wavering at a try?
Is Ford way ahead of you on this Doug? Sorry I talk to myself often. Why? I'm the only one that listens. ;D
I'm actually a little pissed about all of this. We kick this stuff around for free and the Exec's get paid BIG money to do this for a job? >:(
They probably regularly insult each other and throw spitballs behind each others backs...just like here! I could be good at that for money? 8)
Quote from: FL SAAC on November 12, 2021, 11:38:00 AM
YOU hit it the nail right on its head !
they are catering to people with huge disposable incomes, asking them to go to big events and post ALL the fun they are having on social media with their trailered GTs that roll off the ramps unto the red carpet
See, see, see they do drive them.....LMAO !
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 10:51:40 AM
Quote from: FL SAAC on November 12, 2021, 10:39:58 AM
To get back on topic, I rember seeing the first GT, i said what a work of art.
Then i viewed the engine and said oh noooooooo !
The Ford representative noticed my dismay and came back it's very fast.
I just kept saying over and over in my head oh nooooooo!
My opinion, if it does get a V8 it will then return to the mans world of cars.
As stated previously by other's :
"And lets not forget all the other's out there building silly little V10's, V12's and V16's. Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, Bugatti, Audi and on and on."
What changes with the V8? It's just as crippling of concept as the V6. It's only catering to someone else concept. It isn't going to change the exclusivity of the car or create a greater market.
The free thinking on the part of Ford was the turbo V6. They knew it would take criticism but by doing so they were making a statement that they didn't care what the "peanut gallery" wanted or conceived of because it was their concept. Take it or leave it and that didn't matter because they were only going to build ten or eleven of them? Well maybe twelve?
No. If they change it to a V8, it's for other reasons. Not because that's what we want.
Why are they catering to anyone? I don't agree with that since a V8 isn't going to create a Corvette type of demand UNLESS they are prying to see if it could?
They will sell the same number of limited cars regardless of what engine they put it to it.
The question I raised is simply if this is a feeler to see if there possibly be that kind of a market? After all, the development costs are already paid for and baked into the cake.
It COULD even make an interesting anti-Prius EV IF they can find a place to put all of the batteries? 8,000 AA's take up some room?
Quote from: FL SAAC on November 12, 2021, 11:49:56 AM
The answer is plain and simple, NO they will not !
Why should they do this if they have an exclusive club catering to people who for the large portion are not car enthusiasts that drive their vehicle as intended ?
Just keep raking in the money
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 11:08:01 AM
Well here's an additional thought.
What would it take for Ford to start up a Corvette type production line and volume?
Could they justify a reduction in price of the Ford GT to Corvette Z06 competitiveness by installing a V8 and claiming that it reduced the cost dramatically?
Did they initially dismiss the thought of competing with the Corvette because the "Corvette market" was impenetrable and maybe are now wavering at a try?
Is Ford way ahead of you on this Doug? Sorry I talk to myself often. Why? I'm the only one that listens. ;D
I'm actually a little pissed about all of this. We kick this stuff around for free and the Exec's get paid BIG money to do this for a job? >:(
They probably regularly insult each other and throw spitballs behind each others backs...just like here! I could be good at that for money? 8)
Because they build cars to sell cars. "That's what they do Bulldog". The more that you sell, the more money that you make.
They are not in the business of making one of a kind Picasso's. I'm sure that in Executive meetings AT Ford, this subject has been brought up? If they didn't they should because the success of the new C8 proves there is a market out there for this kind of vehicle.
They won at Lemans and eventually had a nice series of successes. But just as in any sport, winning is just about glory.
The best speech I ever heard about that is the post log in the film Patton. "ALL GLORY IS FLEETING". You don't build cars for glory. You build them for profits and just let the private market either bury them or makes them martyrs.
That becomes the power of the eye of the beholder. Not the builders.
Quote from: FL SAAC on November 12, 2021, 11:49:56 AM
The answer is plain and simple, NO they will not !
Why should they do this if they have an exclusive club catering to people who for the large portion are not car enthusiasts that drive their vehicle as intended ?
Just keep raking in the money
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 11:08:01 AM
Well here's an additional thought.
What would it take for Ford to start up a Corvette type production line and volume?
Could they justify a reduction in price of the Ford GT to Corvette Z06 competitiveness by installing a V8 and claiming that it reduced the cost dramatically?
Did they initially dismiss the thought of competing with the Corvette because the "Corvette market" was impenetrable and maybe are now wavering at a try?
Is Ford way ahead of you on this Doug? Sorry I talk to myself often. Why? I'm the only one that listens. ;D
I'm actually a little pissed about all of this. We kick this stuff around for free and the Exec's get paid BIG money to do this for a job? >:(
They probably regularly insult each other and throw spitballs behind each others backs...just like here! I could be good at that for money? 8)
If you drive your Shelby(s) on I95 during the day and especially rush hour you are a brave soul.
Why thank you not only 95 but 595, 736, 826, I75, A1A and our glorious turnpike many a times to an event, show, meet or repairs.
Question I always ask the wife : insurance is all paid up ?
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 12, 2021, 12:05:44 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC on November 12, 2021, 11:49:56 AM
The answer is plain and simple, NO they will not !
Why should they do this if they have an exclusive club catering to people who for the large portion are not car enthusiasts that drive their vehicle as intended ?
Just keep raking in the money
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 11:08:01 AM
Well here's an additional thought.
What would it take for Ford to start up a Corvette type production line and volume?
Could they justify a reduction in price of the Ford GT to Corvette Z06 competitiveness by installing a V8 and claiming that it reduced the cost dramatically?
Did they initially dismiss the thought of competing with the Corvette because the "Corvette market" was impenetrable and maybe are now wavering at a try?
Is Ford way ahead of you on this Doug? Sorry I talk to myself often. Why? I'm the only one that listens. ;D
I'm actually a little pissed about all of this. We kick this stuff around for free and the Exec's get paid BIG money to do this for a job? >:(
They probably regularly insult each other and throw spitballs behind each others backs...just like here! I could be good at that for money? 8)
If you drive your Shelby(s) on I95 during the day and especially rush hour you are a brave soul.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 12, 2021, 12:05:44 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC on November 12, 2021, 11:49:56 AM
The answer is plain and simple, NO they will not !
Why should they do this if they have an exclusive club catering to people who for the large portion are not car enthusiasts that drive their vehicle as intended ?
Just keep raking in the money
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 11:08:01 AM
Well here's an additional thought.
What would it take for Ford to start up a Corvette type production line and volume?
Could they justify a reduction in price of the Ford GT to Corvette Z06 competitiveness by installing a V8 and claiming that it reduced the cost dramatically?
Did they initially dismiss the thought of competing with the Corvette because the "Corvette market" was impenetrable and maybe are now wavering at a try?
Is Ford way ahead of you on this Doug? Sorry I talk to myself often. Why? I'm the only one that listens. ;D
I'm actually a little pissed about all of this. We kick this stuff around for free and the Exec's get paid BIG money to do this for a job? >:(
They probably regularly insult each other and throw spitballs behind each others backs...just like here! I could be good at that for money? 8)
If you drive your Shelby(s) on I95 during the day and especially rush hour you are a brave soul.
95 is to be avoided at all costs. It's misery stretches the entire east coast. The problem is that all of my "secret driving roads" have been discovered by developers and put suburban blight everywhere.
It's getting so that the ONLY place that you can drive them is at a SAAC high speed event.
I'm not going to bend fenders at the Corvette or BMW events where the generation x geeks think that they know how to drive. They may be able to operate a vehicle but can they drive? Simple answer. No way. They learned on a computer game. That's where they learned the feel of the brakes, the tires, the cornering g-force. Sure. Right. ;)
I just love three lanes of bumper to bumper at 85mph? Ever race a Ply-mouth mini van at 95? That's as fast as they go you know?
Love it !
Back to the topic GT may get V8...lovely !
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 12:13:35 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 12, 2021, 12:05:44 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC on November 12, 2021, 11:49:56 AM
The answer is plain and simple, NO they will not !
Why should they do this if they have an exclusive club catering to people who for the large portion are not car enthusiasts that drive their vehicle as intended ?
Just keep raking in the money
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 11:08:01 AM
Well here's an additional thought.
What would it take for Ford to start up a Corvette type production line and volume?
Could they justify a reduction in price of the Ford GT to Corvette Z06 competitiveness by installing a V8 and claiming that it reduced the cost dramatically?
Did they initially dismiss the thought of competing with the Corvette because the "Corvette market" was impenetrable and maybe are now wavering at a try?
Is Ford way ahead of you on this Doug? Sorry I talk to myself often. Why? I'm the only one that listens. ;D
I'm actually a little pissed about all of this. We kick this stuff around for free and the Exec's get paid BIG money to do this for a job? >:(
They probably regularly insult each other and throw spitballs behind each others backs...just like here! I could be good at that for money? 8)
If you drive your Shelby(s) on I95 during the day and especially rush hour you are a brave soul.
95 is to be avoided at all costs. It's misery stretches the entire east coast. The problem is that all of my "secret driving roads" have been discovered by developers and put suburban blight everywhere.
It's getting so that the ONLY place that you can drive them is at a SAAC high speed event.
I'm not going to bend fenders at the Corvette or BMW events where the generation x geeks think that they know how to drive. Then may be able to operate a vehicle but can the drive? Simple answer. No way. They learned on a computer game. That's where they learned the feel of the brakes, the tires, the cornering g-force. Sure. Right. ;)
Quote from: FL SAAC on November 12, 2021, 12:16:47 PM
Love it !
Back to the topic GT may get V8...lovely !
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 12:13:35 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 12, 2021, 12:05:44 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC on November 12, 2021, 11:49:56 AM
The answer is plain and simple, NO they will not !
Why should they do this if they have an exclusive club catering to people who for the large portion are not car enthusiasts that drive their vehicle as intended ?
Just keep raking in the money
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 11:08:01 AM
Well here's an additional thought.
What would it take for Ford to start up a Corvette type production line and volume?
Could they justify a reduction in price of the Ford GT to Corvette Z06 competitiveness by installing a V8 and claiming that it reduced the cost dramatically?
Did they initially dismiss the thought of competing with the Corvette because the "Corvette market" was impenetrable and maybe are now wavering at a try?
Is Ford way ahead of you on this Doug? Sorry I talk to myself often. Why? I'm the only one that listens. ;D
I'm actually a little pissed about all of this. We kick this stuff around for free and the Exec's get paid BIG money to do this for a job? >:(
They probably regularly insult each other and throw spitballs behind each others backs...just like here! I could be good at that for money? 8)
If you drive your Shelby(s) on I95 during the day and especially rush hour you are a brave soul.
95 is to be avoided at all costs. It's misery stretches the entire east coast. The problem is that all of my "secret driving roads" have been discovered by developers and put suburban blight everywhere.
It's getting so that the ONLY place that you can drive them is at a SAAC high speed event.
I'm not going to bend fenders at the Corvette or BMW events where the generation x geeks think that they know how to drive. Then may be able to operate a vehicle but can the drive? Simple answer. No way. They learned on a computer game. That's where they learned the feel of the brakes, the tires, the cornering g-force. Sure. Right. ;)
Tony. 95 ISN'T the worst road in the Continental US. The LIE west bound is. At one point it goes a full eight lanes wide.
I swear that I've been passed repeatedly there at over 120mph? The NYS pursuit cars are out numbered and the speeders know it.
Bumper to bumper at over 100? Simple answer is yes.
You need to wear competition seat belts because if you don't your ass sweats so much after 20 miles of this, you could slip out of the seat.
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 08:41:47 AMWe are talking about Ford's decision to compete with the Euro exclusivity of Lamborghini, Ferrari, Aston Martin, etc.
Now if I think about it, going way back in my lifetime, this has been the trend from "the Deuce" all along. He always wanted a Ferrari type offering and played with that on more then one occasion.
A lot of Henry going Euro had to do with social standing and his wanting to impress the new inlaws - Maria Cristina Vettore Austin was an Italian socialite who became better known as Cristina Ford or Mrs. Henry Ford II,
At this point you COULD introduce the GT350 as an argument but it was never really intended by anyone as a Ferrari fighter. It also probably would never have existed if Iococca didn't "commission" Shelby to put more "pizzaz" in the Mustang.
The Mustang was a successful secretary car - a sexy Falcon that Iococca wanted to broaden the market for - he needed the car to grow a pair.
Now what's my point? There isn't anyone that can argue that the GT40 was intended to be a domestic Corvette market fighter ever. It was in Ford's eyes, a Euro racer, but at some point someone suggested exclusivity to Leddo and they offered 15 Mark III's.
It was never intended to be a Vette fighter - 15 MK III at $18,500 (most expensive car Ford had ever sold) Nearly 4 times the price of a loaded 63 split window Vette ($4,037) - interesting the price ratio is the same today with the C8 vs GT40
Hum? Now wait a minute. Shelby thinks that sure, I want to beat Ferrari into the pavement with the Cobra. I can offer it to the US public for around 1/2 of the cost of a Ferrari? It SHOULD sell like hot cakes here right?
Shelby knew the Cobra he was selling was not going to beat Ferrari. But the sale of street cars allowed him to build a 1 off areo body that nearly won LeMans overall in 64. Ford made CS dump the Coupe race program and when it won the World Championship they were entered by Ford and campaigned by Allen Mann
I don't think that was the initial thought of CS but I do think that he changed his thinking eventually and felt vilafied when used Cobra prices escalated like a Saturn 5 at liftoff.
Most people didn't want rough/tough Cobras in the period - they were very rare but not appealing to most drivers. Which is why so many of them sat unsold on dealer lots - the Cobra was not an elitist sporty car for the weekend gentleman SCCA racer - it took a very skilled driver to wield it on track. Shelby was upset people were making more money on reselling his cars than he made when they were new. Hence his continuation cars.
Lee had that effect at Ford and at Chrysler as well. At one point under his leadership Chrysler bought Lamborghini. Remember him introducing the Diablo with the Chrysler VIN tags in '91?
That is where they got their 10 cylinder engine. Mopar was never a road race company (their Renault Alliance Cup and Neon series proves that). NASCAR and drag racing was where their customers went.
This present thinking at Ford of exclusivity is just a continuation of this thought process. The "office of the Ford GT" is just an almost independent arm of Ford commissioned to experiment with a bit of creative thinking, seeing where this will all lead to. That's all well and good for the Corp and with their current profit levels is affordable even though if they look at the Ford GT's in any form on a cost per unit basis, a major financial loss.
These are called HALO products - designed to show off the best you can produce using new materials and methods. They also secure free pr by being talked about.
Do you think that GM and Chrysler don't watch what the other guy is doing? Of course not.
I can assure you GM owns at least one of the latest Ford GT - purchased under the table from some influencer. I know of one buyer who presold his. He took delivery and paid for it with OPM and took his profit upfront. The title has already been signed over and post dated by 2 years.
Previous to the Ford GT, Chrysler had decided on offering the Viper. In all fairness to Chrysler, they never could find a design theme or designers to offer anything that didn't look like some sort of a Hemi taxi cab. A Checker cab of sorts with a Hemi and automatic transmission with push buttons on the dash.
This was the HALO platform for the 10 cyl Lambo engine - and a test bed to try new materials and manufacturing methods
900hp Demons? Sure BUT they are offered to the general public to commit mass suicide in if desired.
Back to their drag racing roots. In VERY limited numbers. - When I was in high school I worked at a Chevy dealer (auto shop work experience) and crewed on a BB Chevy powered Fuel Altered. The cars driver worked across the street as a mechanic at Russ Davis Ford - I was there a lot being a fly on the wall listening to he and Gas Ronda talk about racing. When it came time for my first new car it was a 70 Road Runner - why? Best drag race performance for the $$. Yeah the fact that I as a 19 year old got affordable insurance in a mid-size rather than a Mustang/Camaro/etc played into it. My sister was of course insurable in her 68 Mustang GT-CS since she was 20 and boys were uninsurable until 25.
Now GM's idea is a better point and maybe just because they are in a better position of having established product identity in the Corvette? They can take their product development in the Corvette (AND HAVE), eventually apply it to all GM products in one form or another and marginally offer it to the general public without Italian supercar exclusivity prices.
GM has been able to turn their HALO product into a profit center - something Ford wasn't ever able to do with their GT40 or 2 seat Tbirds.
As a just everyday pion at some point in the near future I MIGHT be able to afford the C8 Z06. It is a possibility. It is certainly more attractive to my Walter Mitty-ism then spending $75,000 on a new F150. That simply doesn't cut it.
Apples and oranges - even when comparing the performance vehicles of both Mustang/Vette the Vette still wins unless you need a back seat for a 5 year old.
So that's the thing. The C8 Corvette is affordable with the same wow factor as the Ford GT at something like 1/4 the price of the Ford GT. That's reality. MY REALITY and even if I had a Ford GT, I couldn't park it in the lot in front of Trader Joes. The Corvette I probably could get away with putting it way in the back.
The best improvement to the "new" Ford GT was giving it doors you could open in a parking spot. In my neighborhood people drive everything and park as close to the front door as possible. If a grocery bag will fit they'll take it shopping
In addition, ANYONE SUGGESTING that it was Ford who made their exclusive racing parts available to ANYONE across the counter is simply incorrect AND WASN'T there. Us OLD GUYS were.
Kinda true you had to know the part number and then you just got a part not the knowledge of how to massage it. Of course some parts were "out of stock" when you tried to order them. PS - I'm an old guy
GT40 289 heads '60s XE blocks were simply for the 'Friends of the Program. Whereas I could walk into Byrne Brothers Chevy Parts Department in White Plains and buy across the counter absolutely any high performance part that I could come up with the part number on.
Z28 short blocks for $350 for instance, so stop the crap about Ford making their racing parts available. You absolutely, positively DON'T KNOW WTF (in street racing vernacular) you are talking about! I fought those wars. I'll show you the scars. Make up some other stories that sound good.
Z28 short block was a production engine. You could also walk into Ford and buy a Boss 302 Block ($125) or complete engine. Like you mention "any high performance part that I could come up with the part number on" Same deal at Henry. ALL the performance parts first went to their "friends" but if they make 1,000 of a part and only give away 500 they still have 500 to sell to those fans of their engineering. A lot of Ford stuff would show as D99 when they only made enough for "internal use" or they ran out and wouldn't be making anymore. GM was not always willing to sell you what you wanted. A friend came up with the part number for a 70 Firebird body in white - The dealers couldn't order it for him - he had to be approved by the GM gods.
I guess I'm just not one of their Peeps anymore. It's sad. It's like thinking of an old girl friend. Yea you're right. So what? She's pretty old by now. ::)
Yeah if your not a woke PC milennial wearing pencil jeans you are no longer Ford's customer.
BTW: Ford has realized the error of it ways by cancelling car production in favor of truck/SUV/Mustang only. They will be building the Mondeo sedan - too bad you'll have to live in China to get one.
The rumor is the Fusion is coming back to the states (Mondeo by another name)
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 12:30:10 PM
Tony. 95 ISN'T the worst road in the Continental US. The LIE west bound is. At one point it goes a full eight lanes wide.
I swear that I've been passed repeatedly there at over 120mph? The NYS pursuit cars are out numbered and the speeders know it.
Bumper to bumper at over 100? Simple answer is yes.
You need to wear competition seat belts because if you don't your ass sweats so much after 20 miles of this, you could slip out of the seat.
Every once in a while I drive the LIE while going out to a funeral or some such (in fact that was the case the last five times I drove it). Now that road absolutely scares me to death. Don't think I've ever seen such insanity on a highway in my life, day or night.
How much will the car have to change? Doubtful the Godzilla would fit in the same space as the V6. Nobody wants an NA supercar. Will it be turbo or supercharged? Both have different packaging problems. While we're (ok me) on the space problem the next gen Mustang is being built on the Explorer platform - you know the one the biggest engine fitted is a V6. With current .gov pressure and gas prices I'm pretty sure we are at the close of the V8 Mustang. Maybe they will call it Probe.
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on November 12, 2021, 01:16:42 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 08:41:47 AMWe are talking about Ford's decision to compete with the Euro exclusivity of Lamborghini, Ferrari, Aston Martin, etc.
Now if I think about it, going way back in my lifetime, this has been the trend from "the Deuce" all along. He always wanted a Ferrari type offering and played with that on more then one occasion.
A lot of Henry going Euro had to do with social standing and his wanting to impress the new inlaws - Maria Cristina Vettore Austin was an Italian socialite who became better known as Cristina Ford or Mrs. Henry Ford II,
At this point you COULD introduce the GT350 as an argument but it was never really intended by anyone as a Ferrari fighter. It also probably would never have existed if Iococca didn't "commission" Shelby to put more "pizzaz" in the Mustang.
The Mustang was a successful secretary car - a sexy Falcon that Iococca wanted to broaden the market for - he needed the car to grow a pair.
Now what's my point? There isn't anyone that can argue that the GT40 was intended to be a domestic Corvette market fighter ever. It was in Ford's eyes, a Euro racer, but at some point someone suggested exclusivity to Leddo and they offered 15 Mark III's.
It was never intended to be a Vette fighter - 15 MK III at $18,500 (most expensive car Ford had ever sold) Nearly 4 times the price of a loaded 63 split window Vette ($4,037) - interesting the price ratio is the same today with the C8 vs GT40
Hum? Now wait a minute. Shelby thinks that sure, I want to beat Ferrari into the pavement with the Cobra. I can offer it to the US public for around 1/2 of the cost of a Ferrari? It SHOULD sell like hot cakes here right?
Shelby knew the Cobra he was selling was not going to beat Ferrari. But the sale of street cars allowed him to build a 1 off areo body that nearly won LeMans overall in 64. Ford made CS dump the Coupe race program and when it won the World Championship they were entered by Ford and campaigned by Allen Mann
I don't think that was the initial thought of CS but I do think that he changed his thinking eventually and felt vilafied when used Cobra prices escalated like a Saturn 5 at liftoff.
Most people didn't want rough/tough Cobras in the period - they were very rare but not appealing to most drivers. Which is why so many of them sat unsold on dealer lots - the Cobra was not an elitist sporty car for the weekend gentleman SCCA racer - it took a very skilled driver to wield it on track. Shelby was upset people were making more money on reselling his cars than he made when they were new. Hence his continuation cars.
Lee had that effect at Ford and at Chrysler as well. At one point under his leadership Chrysler bought Lamborghini. Remember him introducing the Diablo with the Chrysler VIN tags in '91?
That is where they got their 10 cylinder engine. Mopar was never a road race company (their Renault Alliance Cup and Neon series proves that). NASCAR and drag racing was where their customers went.
This present thinking at Ford of exclusivity is just a continuation of this thought process. The "office of the Ford GT" is just an almost independent arm of Ford commissioned to experiment with a bit of creative thinking, seeing where this will all lead to. That's all well and good for the Corp and with their current profit levels is affordable even though if they look at the Ford GT's in any form on a cost per unit basis, a major financial loss.
These are called HALO products - designed to show off the best you can produce using new materials and methods. They also secure free pr by being talked about.
Do you think that GM and Chrysler don't watch what the other guy is doing? Of course not.
I can assure you GM owns at least one of the latest Ford GT - purchased under the table from some influencer. I know of one buyer who presold his. He took delivery and paid for it with OPM and took his profit upfront. The title has already been signed over and post dated by 2 years.
Previous to the Ford GT, Chrysler had decided on offering the Viper. In all fairness to Chrysler, they never could find a design theme or designers to offer anything that didn't look like some sort of a Hemi taxi cab. A Checker cab of sorts with a Hemi and automatic transmission with push buttons on the dash.
This was the HALO platform for the 10 cyl Lambo engine - and a test bed to try new materials and manufacturing methods
900hp Demons? Sure BUT they are offered to the general public to commit mass suicide in if desired.
Back to their drag racing roots. In VERY limited numbers. - When I was in high school I worked at a Chevy dealer (auto shop work experience) and crewed on a BB Chevy powered Fuel Altered. The cars driver worked across the street as a mechanic at Russ Davis Ford - I was there a lot being a fly on the wall listening to he and Gas Ronda talk about racing. When it came time for my first new car it was a 70 Road Runner - why? Best drag race performance for the $$. Yeah the fact that I as a 19 year old got affordable insurance in a mid-size rather than a Mustang/Camaro/etc played into it. My sister was of course insurable in her 68 Mustang GT-CS since she was 20 and boys were uninsurable until 25.
Now GM's idea is a better point and maybe just because they are in a better position of having established product identity in the Corvette? They can take their product development in the Corvette (AND HAVE), eventually apply it to all GM products in one form or another and marginally offer it to the general public without Italian supercar exclusivity prices.
GM has been able to turn their HALO product into a profit center - something Ford wasn't ever able to do with their GT40 or 2 seat Tbirds.
As a just everyday pion at some point in the near future I MIGHT be able to afford the C8 Z06. It is a possibility. It is certainly more attractive to my Walter Mitty-ism then spending $75,000 on a new F150. That simply doesn't cut it.
Apples and oranges - even when comparing the performance vehicles of both Mustang/Vette the Vette still wins unless you need a back seat for a 5 year old.
So that's the thing. The C8 Corvette is affordable with the same wow factor as the Ford GT at something like 1/4 the price of the Ford GT. That's reality. MY REALITY and even if I had a Ford GT, I couldn't park it in the lot in front of Trader Joes. The Corvette I probably could get away with putting it way in the back.
The best improvement to the "new" Ford GT was giving it doors you could open in a parking spot. In my neighborhood people drive everything and park as close to the front door as possible. If a grocery bag will fit they'll take it shopping
In addition, ANYONE SUGGESTING that it was Ford who made their exclusive racing parts available to ANYONE across the counter is simply incorrect AND WASN'T there. Us OLD GUYS were.
Kinda true you had to know the part number and then you just got a part not the knowledge of how to massage it. Of course some parts were "out of stock" when you tried to order them. PS - I'm an old guy
GT40 289 heads '60s XE blocks were simply for the 'Friends of the Program. Whereas I could walk into Byrne Brothers Chevy Parts Department in White Plains and buy across the counter absolutely any high performance part that I could come up with the part number on.
Z28 short blocks for $350 for instance, so stop the crap about Ford making their racing parts available. You absolutely, positively DON'T KNOW WTF (in street racing vernacular) you are talking about! I fought those wars. I'll show you the scars. Make up some other stories that sound good.
Z28 short block was a production engine. You could also walk into Ford and buy a Boss 302 Block ($125) or complete engine. Like you mention "any high performance part that I could come up with the part number on" Same deal at Henry. ALL the performance parts first went to their "friends" but if they make 1,000 of a part and only give away 500 they still have 500 to sell to those fans of their engineering. A lot of Ford stuff would show as D99 when they only made enough for "internal use" or they ran out and wouldn't be making anymore. GM was not always willing to sell you what you wanted. A friend came up with the part number for a 70 Firebird body in white - The dealers couldn't order it for him - he had to be approved by the GM gods.
I guess I'm just not one of their Peeps anymore. It's sad. It's like thinking of an old girl friend. Yea you're right. So what? She's pretty old by now. ::)
Yeah if your not a woke PC milennial wearing pencil jeans you are no longer Ford's customer.
BTW: Ford has realized the error of it ways by cancelling car production in favor of truck/SUV/Mustang only. They will be building the Mondeo sedan - too bad you'll have to live in China to get one.
The Boss 302 short block was a PRODUCTION BLOCK, not a SK secret, only in a GT40 block. ;)
The FIRST sk block available over the counter was the 351c "Australian" SK block in '76 or so. Something like $775 or so.
The phrase that applied to MOST Ford racing parts was "it's made out of unobtainium.
D99 became my middle name. DD also. You can imagine what for I suppose? ;D
I tried those pencil leg pants and I can't understand how I just don't fit into them any more?
...and oh yea? I'll bet I'm older then you so just watch it Buddy! ;D
Just like Sam said, lots of changes coming
Watch "Sam Cooke - A Change Is Gonna Come (Official Lyric Video)" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/wEBlaMOmKV4
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on November 12, 2021, 01:41:50 PM
How much will the car have to change? Doubtful the Godzilla would fit in the same space as the V6. Nobody wants an NA supercar. Will it be turbo or supercharged? Both have different packaging problems. While we're (ok me) on the space problem the next gen Mustang is being built on the Explorer platform - you know the one the biggest engine fitted is a V6. With current .gov pressure and gas prices I'm pretty sure we are at the close of the V8 Mustang. Maybe they will call it Probe.
Quote from: S7MS427 on November 12, 2021, 01:40:09 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 12:30:10 PM
Tony. 95 ISN'T the worst road in the Continental US. The LIE west bound is. At one point it goes a full eight lanes wide.
I swear that I've been passed repeatedly there at over 120mph? The NYS pursuit cars are out numbered and the speeders know it.
Bumper to bumper at over 100? Simple answer is yes.
You need to wear competition seat belts because if you don't your ass sweats so much after 20 miles of this, you could slip out of the seat.
Every once in a while I drive the LIE while going out to a funeral or some such (in fact that was the case the last five times I drove it). Now that road absolutely scares me to death. Don't think I've ever seen such insanity on a highway in my life, day or night.
You actually have to see and experience it to believe it. Thanks for corroborating. The only way to enforce down there would be with stationing a military DIVISION possibly with a missile defense system and certainly intercept capability.
IT IS COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL! Don't talk to me about going to the "Island" for a meet. I don't want to hear it.
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 01:43:32 PM
The FIRST sk block available over the counter was the 351c "Australian" SK block in '76 or so. Something like $775 or so.
The phrase that applied to MOST Ford racing parts was "it's made out of unobtainium.
...and oh yea? I'll bet I'm older then you so just watch it Buddy! ;D
The ones Motorsport sold were generally called NASCAR blocks (since Bud Moore was using US cast ones as early as 1972). Mine is a 1982 XE number pillow block. "Australian" seems to refer to later private imports trying to ride on the coat tails of the Aussie cast but Motorsport sold ones. Some of those were found to have core shift and were finished for use as 2 bolt 2 bbl engines used in Aussie street cars. As the price has jumped they have been dug out of junkyards, machined for 4 bolt mains and exported to unsuspecting buyers in the states. Billet main caps are a good indication that you are probably getting a sub par remachined block.
We used the phrase "it's made out of unobtainium" because it seemed they were trying to fund their whole race program by gouging on OTC parts.
July 1950 - do I need to call you dad?
March, 1949. I wasn't walking yet so I don't think I was a threat and the probability of being Dad is unlikely?
I do remember "helping" my Dad push my uncles car around on the turntable in the "carriage house" though while he was taking care of it while Uncle was away in Korea. That was probably 1951.
I'm also a few months older then Billy Joel, Bruce Springstein, Jeff Bridges amongst the '49er guys. The girls I won't mention. They are more sensitive about their ages being revealed.
Yes. I am aware of the short comings of the XE block. There was just a brand new one that still had cosmolene on it here. The seller was firm at $3500 but still didn't know what it was until I told him.
He did have it sonic tested and actually I was on the shocked side of what the walls tested out at?
At that price I'd rather go a few bucks more for a Tim Meyer block BUT so far I haven't blown up my 4 bolt D2AE-CA block in my Pantera, but I'm still trying.
I am running A3 heads off of a local circle track racer that upgraded at the time to C3's. Weber 48 IDAs on a Hall high port manifold. 180° headers with 2" primaries made by Stan at FPA. Compcams, .605 solid lifter cam.
My '67 GT500 is still just a 428 but with a Compcams .578 lift solid lifter. 3300/3301. Hooker headers. I wanted to keep it sort of stockish? ;D
My 68 GT350 is a 347 on the original block. Induction is on a C60A 2x4 Holley T/A w/1850's. Solid lifter Compcam. JBA's. AFR 1388's. Doug Nash 4+1.
So I would say that you do not need to salute me as a senior even though if it were HS I would be, but consider me as a contemporary or maybe just a pier? But I'm like Rodney Dangerfield. I get no respect so I'm used to that.
Do I have lots of grey hair? Not as grey as Randy but lots of hair yes and lots of scars from scraped knuckles. Bumps on my head that SHOULD have become bumps on knowledge but the mistakes just seem to repeat themselves as proof that I am older but not necessarily wiser? ;D
You and I just have different experiences from being in different places. I'm sure though that there is some sort of a common denominator?
Great banter. Love it.
I don't think anyone's yet mentioned that a major reason for the V6 in the GT is for the halo effect of a boosted V6 to the rest of the Ford products.
Such as: Navigator (I own one, 450 hp) F-Series pickups, Explorer cop vehicles, etc.
That's a concept as old as anything in the car biz.
And yes, I think the Corvette is a screaming bargain. Yes, there's ridiculous dealer gouging on them. The Z06 should be fantastic, and priced right...gouging excepted. Or, maybe even with it.
In this day of $100,000 American SUVs, a killer Vette for under that price is indeed a great thing. Except that it can't tow. :P
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 04:08:57 PMA3 heads off of a local circle track racer
So I would say .... a contemporary
You and I just have different experiences from being in different places. I'm sure though that there is some sort of a common denominator?
My engine is a Huffaker prepped destroked to 310" TransAm one. It was back there around 83/4 and the owner couldn't cover the bill so the guy who built my car bought it. They've spent a lot of time in the engine even to the point of cutting and rewelding the pushrod guides for better alignment on the A3 heads.
Bottom line car guys is car guys
How come we had to get 4 pages of posts before someone mentioned Ford's real mid engine sportscar for the masses - the Pantera? It is it's 50th anniversary this year - and only the 1st one for the middy Vette.
Quote from: Side-Oilers on November 12, 2021, 04:32:04 PM
Great banter. Love it.
I don't think anyone's yet mentioned that a major reason for the V6 in the GT is for the halo effect of a boosted V6 to the rest of the Ford products.
Such as: Navigator (I own one, 450 hp) F-Series pickups, Explorer cop vehicles, etc.
That's a concept as old as anything in the car biz.
And yes, I think the Corvette is a screaming bargain. Yes, there's ridiculous dealer gouging on them. The Z06 should be fantastic, and priced right...gouging excepted. Or, maybe even with it.
In this day of $100,000 American SUVs, a killer Vette for under that price is indeed a great thing. Except that it can't tow. :P
I need to get roof racks on it to carry my ladders and scaffolding. What do you think the odds are of that? I can hold out hope right?
Quote from: Side-Oilers on November 12, 2021, 04:32:04 PM
.....a killer Vette for under that price is indeed a great thing. Except that it can't tow.
Why not? Plenty of power - just weld up a frame hitch and use a load leveler. I'd say you'd be fine up to around 6,000 pounds. Look what they used to tow with in the 50s. People didn't vacation in their uncomfortable trucks and even towed their "park model" trailers around the country.
That's Lucy and Desi in "Long, Long Trailer." Fun movie.
Agreed that vintage trailering was often unsafe at any speed.
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on November 12, 2021, 04:35:00 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 04:08:57 PMA3 heads off of a local circle track racer
So I would say .... a contemporary
You and I just have different experiences from being in different places. I'm sure though that there is some sort of a common denominator?
My engine is a Huffaker prepped destroked to 310" TransAm one. It was back there around 83/4 and the owner couldn't cover the bill so the guy who built my car bought it. They've spent a lot of time in the engine even to the point of cutting and rewelding the pushrod guides for better alignment on the A3 heads.
Bottom line car guys is car guys
How come we had to get 4 pages of posts before someone mentioned Ford's real mid engine sportscar for the masses - the Pantera? It is it's 50th anniversary this year - and only the 1st one for the middy Vette.
Mentioning non-Shelby related cars around here has fallen out of favor. It's a different crowd now. Some improvements. Some detriments.
The A3 heads were prepped for me by Joe Lapine at Danbury Competition. I'm not a racer, maybe just a lunatic street guy? I don't know. People keep their distance from me and don't turn their backs?
Even the car thief that was in the driveway at midnight threw up his hands saying "please don't do anything...I'm going" and ran down the driveway, jumped into a running car and drove off.
People tell me that I make faces at them? Maybe I watched too many John Wayne movies as a kid and shouldn't wear that black Rooster Codburn eye patch? Dun' no'? I don't think it is the Colt in the side holster? Do you? ;D
I actually had the guide plate issue on the AFR's. It caused me to bend a few push
rods. I've got that ironed out now. The A3's have been problem free...knock on wood as he punches his head.
I had a set of B351's which had smaller ports and I absolutely hated.
The Pantera SEEMS to be just right with a 351. You've gotta worry that you don't hurt the ZF. A 383 would be nice with a thick XE or Meyer block but is likely over the torque limit of that silly thing?
As I recall (correctly or not) the ZF was tried in the MkII's and promptly destroyed itself? So a very limited budget keeps me from going there.
Leave it alone is my motto at this point.
By the same token a 8,500 +rpm something small block is going to need a lot of maintenance with some now very expensive parts. Titanium valves alone are gonna' put a big crimp in your happy.
We are car guys. That's the common denominator. Probably with an unreasonable twist towards Shelby and even the corporate antics of FoMoCo? There is no reasonable explanation of that. My shrink has no opinion on that. I think that she's afraid of me?
As I said. Speaking truth to power has always been an iffy thing?
"Mentioning non-Shelby related cars around here has fallen out of favor. It's a different crowd now. Some improvements. Some detriments.
We are car guys. That's the common denominator. Probably with an unreasonable twist towards Shelby and even the corporate antics of FoMoCo? There is no reasonable explanation of that."
^^^Agreed ^^^
Keep the car discussions coming, guys. Maybe more in The Lounge for non-Shelby thingys?
Just throwing this gem out there for you guys wanting a C8 "R Model" - https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/11/chevy-announces-new-2024-corvette-z06-gt3-r-race-car/
Yes Pantera transaxle was a problem. I remember going to Stroppe's on Signal Hill and he had a whole room full of Pantera warranty transaxles. They belonged to Ford and I don't know if they finally went back for rebuild or just got scrapped.
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on November 12, 2021, 05:01:31 PM
Just throwing this gem out there for you guys wanting a C8 "R Model" - https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/11/chevy-announces-new-2024-corvette-z06-gt3-r-race-car/
Yes Pantera transaxle was a problem. I remember going to Stroppe's on Signal Hill and he had a whole room full of Pantera warranty transaxles. They belonged to Ford and I don't know if they finally went back for rebuild or just got scrapped.
One of the Ford guys showed up and commented that the "warranty division" was panicked about what was reported by one of the engineers reviewing the Pantera as undependable.
He said that he remembered Ford requiring Pantera dealers to keep IN STOCK at least three ZF's for warranty claims that they expected.
It is a strange device but at the time was very high tech and was the cutting edge. The problem now with it is it's going to cost you a minimum of $9,000 to go through it and you'll have to wait about a year to get it back.
Mostly it is synchro issues as they are compressed powdered iron, but only for the Pantera. Who's bright idea that was, I don't know? The GT40 versions were brass.
You CAN rebuild them yourself. There isn't anything tricky or radical with them. Just the parts are ridiculously expensive now.
Also the limited slip discs are small and you need to have the rear tires within .2 inches in circumference or burn them up. Those Goodyear Arriva's had to be matched at the factory in pairs.
Do you think that your local Goodyear tire dealer knew about that?
Hey! I grew up as Corvette wannabe and only stumbled into Shelby's by accident.
As a result of becoming essentially a Shelby cult member, I've looked at Corvettes as sort of the unfriendly opposition all of these years. With the introduction of the C8 I can feel myself slipping into the dark side but I'm waiting for a manual transmission which I fear will be the final Garden of Eden apple?
I can just feel this happening. Is there anyone that can help me overcome this? I need someone to talk me out of it? Help...please!
I hate the C8 designers. They are positively evil! :o
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 05:19:57 PM
Hey! I grew up as Corvette wannabe and only stumbled into Shelby's by accident.
With the introduction of the C8 I can feel myself slipping into the dark side ....I can just feel this happening. Is there anyone that can help me overcome this? I need someone to talk me out of it? Help...please!
First new car I asked my dad to take me to see was the 63 Vette. Fell in love with the black with red interior split window they had on the floor.
First Shelby I saw was a 65 parked by the snackbar in the esses at Riverside. A great car but not sporty.
In college I bought my first Vette a 54 $600. Swapped it for a 2 year old VW bug when the trans died - I had to get to school. Later got a 63 Roadster and a 66 BB Coupe (the only one I miss). A 85 with under 30,000 garage stored miles fell in my lap a couple years ago for 3 grand. What a POS sold it to a guy in New Zealand for $6000 so in the end I was happy with it. A C6 might be the best bet right now. C8 are hard to get and C7 are being snapped up by the people who think it's the last real Vette.
SAAC had a resident psych who wrote under the name of Dr. Shelby but he passed away - https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/pe/name/frank-zizzo-obituary?id=8733664
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on November 12, 2021, 06:02:56 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 05:19:57 PM
Hey! I grew up as Corvette wannabe and only stumbled into Shelby's by accident.
With the introduction of the C8 I can feel myself slipping into the dark side ....I can just feel this happening. Is there anyone that can help me overcome this? I need someone to talk me out of it? Help...please!
First new car I asked my dad to take me to see was the 63 Vette. Fell in love with the black with red interior split window they had on the floor.
First Shelby I saw was a 65 parked by the snackbar in the esses at Riverside. A great car but not sporty.
In college I bought my first Vette a 54 $600. Swapped it for a 2 year old VW bug when the trans died - I had to get to school. Later got a 63 Roadster and a 66 BB Coupe (the only one I miss). A 85 with under 30,000 garage stored miles fell in my lap a couple years ago for 3 grand. What a POS sold it to a guy in New Zealand for $6000 so in the end I was happy with it. A C6 might be the best bet right now. C8 are hard to get and C7 are being snapped up by the people who think it's the last real Vette.
SAAC had a resident psych who wrote under the name of Dr. Shelby but he passed away - https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/pe/name/frank-zizzo-obituary?id=8733664
Maybe I could try to contact his spirit? It could be a case of haunting though? Maybe a seance is in order?
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 07:53:34 PM
Maybe I could try to contact his spirit? It could be a case of haunting though? Maybe a seance is in order?
Might be worth a try. Last time we saw Frank & his wife was at the Mission Inn in Riverside for dinner. He had just purchased a B Sedan Pinto similar to the one I owned at the time.
My grandmother grew up riding ponies as a daily rider. I grew up (debatable term) riding Ford ponies. My grand children will probably have electric ponies (not like the ones I rode or a nickel in front of the grocery store). 8)
Quote from: Don Johnston on November 12, 2021, 10:00:30 PM
My grandmother grew up riding ponies as a daily rider. I grew up (debatable term) riding Ford ponies. My grand children will probably have electric ponies (not like the ones I rode or a nickel in front of the grocery store). 8)
Incoming.......memes
Agreed a tremendous package at an affordable price !
Can't tow? no problem
C8 Corvette Gets Hitched in Venice, Florida - Corvette: Sales, News & Lifestyle
https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2019/08/01/spied-c8-corvette-gets-hitched-in-venice-florida/
Quote from: Side-Oilers on November 12, 2021, 04:32:04 PM
Great banter. Love it.
I don't think anyone's yet mentioned that a major reason for the V6 in the GT is for the halo effect of a boosted V6 to the rest of the Ford products.
Such as: Navigator (I own one, 450 hp) F-Series pickups, Explorer cop vehicles, etc.
That's a concept as old as anything in the car biz.
And yes, I think the Corvette is a screaming bargain. Yes, there's ridiculous dealer gouging on them. The Z06 should be fantastic, and priced right...gouging excepted. Or, maybe even with it.
In this day of $100,000 American SUVs, a killer Vette for under that price is indeed a great thing. Except that it can't tow. :P
+ 100%
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on November 12, 2021, 04:35:00 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 04:08:57 PMA3 heads off of a local circle track racer
So I would say .... a contemporary
You and I just have different experiences from being in different places. I'm sure though that there is some sort of a common denominator?
My engine is a Huffaker prepped destroked to 310" TransAm one. It was back there around 83/4 and the owner couldn't cover the bill so the guy who built my car bought it. They've spent a lot of time in the engine even to the point of cutting and rewelding the pushrod guides for better alignment on the A3 heads.
Bottom line car guys is car guys
How come we had to get 4 pages of posts before someone mentioned Ford's real mid engine sportscar for the masses - the Pantera? It is it's 50th anniversary this year - and only the 1st one for the middy Vette.
Quote from: FL SAAC on November 12, 2021, 12:09:53 PM
Why thank you not only 95 but 595, 736, 826, I75, A1A and our glorious turnpike many a times to an event, show, meet or repairs.
Question I always ask the wife : insurance is all paid up ?
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 12, 2021, 12:05:44 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC on November 12, 2021, 11:49:56 AM
The answer is plain and simple, NO they will not !
Why should they do this if they have an exclusive club catering to people who for the large portion are not car enthusiasts that drive their vehicle as intended ?
Just keep raking in the money
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 11:08:01 AM
Well here's an additional thought.
What would it take for Ford to start up a Corvette type production line and volume?
Could they justify a reduction in price of the Ford GT to Corvette Z06 competitiveness by installing a V8 and claiming that it reduced the cost dramatically?
Did they initially dismiss the thought of competing with the Corvette because the "Corvette market" was impenetrable and maybe are now wavering at a try?
Is Ford way ahead of you on this Doug? Sorry I talk to myself often. Why? I'm the only one that listens. ;D
I'm actually a little pissed about all of this. We kick this stuff around for free and the Exec's get paid BIG money to do this for a job? >:(
They probably regularly insult each other and throw spitballs behind each others backs...just like here! I could be good at that for money? 8)
If you drive your Shelby(s) on I95 during the day and especially rush hour you are a brave soul.
My experiences over the years is the stuff I have seen driving 95 from FLL to Stuart Florida(Jensen Beach).
Gotcha
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 04:53:07 PM
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on November 12, 2021, 04:35:00 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 12, 2021, 04:08:57 PMA3 heads off of a local circle track racer
So I would say .... a contemporary
You and I just have different experiences from being in different places. I'm sure though that there is some sort of a common denominator?
My engine is a Huffaker prepped destroked to 310" TransAm one. It was back there around 83/4 and the owner couldn't cover the bill so the guy who built my car bought it. They've spent a lot of time in the engine even to the point of cutting and rewelding the pushrod guides for better alignment on the A3 heads.
Bottom line car guys is car guys
How come we had to get 4 pages of posts before someone mentioned Ford's real mid engine sportscar for the masses - the Pantera? It is it's 50th anniversary this year - and only the 1st one for the middy Vette.
Mentioning non-Shelby related cars around here has fallen out of favor. It's a different crowd now. Some improvements. Some detriments.
The A3 heads were prepped for me by Joe Lapine at Danbury Competition. I'm not a racer, maybe just a lunatic street guy? I don't know. People keep their distance from me and don't turn their backs?
Even the car thief that was in the driveway at midnight threw up his hands saying "please don't do anything...I'm going" and ran down the driveway, jumped into a running car and drove off.
People tell me that I make faces at them? Maybe I watched too many John Wayne movies as a kid and shouldn't wear that black Rooster Codburn eye patch? Dun' no'? I don't think it is the Colt in the side holster? Do you? ;D
I actually had the guide plate issue on the AFR's. It caused me to bend a few push
rods. I've got that ironed out now. The A3's have been problem free...knock on wood as he punches his head.
I had a set of B351's which had smaller ports and I absolutely hated.
The Pantera SEEMS to be just right with a 351. You've gotta worry that you don't hurt the ZF. A 383 would be nice with a thick XE or Meyer block but is likely over the torque limit of that silly thing?
As I recall (correctly or not) the ZF was tried in the MkII's and promptly destroyed itself? So a very limited budget keeps me from going there.
Leave it alone is my motto at this point.
By the same token a 8,000rpm something small block is going to need a lot of maintenance with some now very expensive parts. Titanium valves alone are gonna' put a big crimp in your happy.
We are car guys. That's the common denominator. Probably with an unreasonable twist towards Shelby and even the corporate antics of FoMoCo? There is no reasonable explanation of that. My shrink has no opinion on that. I think that she's afraid of me?
As I said. Speaking truth to power has always been an iffy thing?
Quote from: FL SAAC on November 13, 2021, 05:55:27 AM
Agreed a tremendous package at an affordable price !
Can't tow? no problem
C8 Corvette Gets Hitched in Venice, Florida - Corvette: Sales, News & Lifestyle
https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2019/08/01/spied-c8-corvette-gets-hitched-in-venice-florida/
Quote from: Side-Oilers on November 12, 2021, 04:32:04 PM
Great banter. Love it.
I don't think anyone's yet mentioned that a major reason for the V6 in the GT is for the halo effect of a boosted V6 to the rest of the Ford products.
Such as: Navigator (I own one, 450 hp) F-Series pickups, Explorer cop vehicles, etc.
That's a concept as old as anything in the car biz.
And yes, I think the Corvette is a screaming bargain. Yes, there's ridiculous dealer gouging on them. The Z06 should be fantastic, and priced right...gouging excepted. Or, maybe even with it.
In this day of $100,000 American SUVs, a killer Vette for under that price is indeed a great thing. Except that it can't tow. :P
Problemo. Looks like there is no possibility of putting my roof racks on?
At least on the Pantera, you can use it as a mini-pick up.
I have screens over the Webers so they can't suck in any of the hay bails.
Well, well, well
Quote from: Don Johnston on November 12, 2021, 10:00:30 PM
My grandmother grew up riding ponies as a daily rider. I grew up (debatable term) riding Ford ponies. My grand children will probably have electric ponies (not like the ones I rode or a nickel in front of the grocery store). 8)
Quote from: FL SAAC on November 13, 2021, 06:28:13 AM
Well, well, well
Quote from: Don Johnston on November 12, 2021, 10:00:30 PM
My grandmother grew up riding ponies as a daily rider. I grew up (debatable term) riding Ford ponies. My grand children will probably have electric ponies (not like the ones I rode or a nickel in front of the grocery store). 8)
"Mustang Sally, you better slow your Mustang down!" - Wilson Pickett
That must be her?
Another granny
Not a granny
Back to ttye topic:
Don't think Ford will put a V8 in the GT will drive the current exorbitant price even higher.
Oh wait, those that buy these vehicles are recession proof, pass the gray poupon !
Quote from: FL SAAC on November 13, 2021, 09:27:44 AM
Not a granny
Back to ttye topic:
Don't think Ford will put a V8 in the GT will drive the current exorbitant price even higher.
Oh wait, those that buy these vehicles are recession proof, pass the gray poupon !
Is that her name?
I've heard of some women being refereed to as Viagra but never Grey Poupon? That sounds perverse.
It must be the Presidential blue that's the attraction? Wimbledon White doesn't affect them?
I'm too tall. I would have missed that perspective. Thank God for the little guys.
Quote from: FL SAAC on November 13, 2021, 09:27:44 AM
Not a granny
Back to ttye topic:
Don't think Ford will put a V8 in the GT will drive the current exorbitant price even higher.
Oh wait, those that buy these vehicles are recession proof, pass the gray poupon !
She looks like plastic in that photo. A little bit too perfect. A thing not normally seen in the wild. (At least the wild of the Midwest.)
She's a young one looking for the electric motor making such a loud noise when she fires up the car.
Can't tow? no problem
C8 Corvette Gets Hitched in Venice, Florida - Corvette: Sales, News & Lifestyle
https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2019/08/01/spied-c8-corvette-gets-hitched-in-venice-florida/
I highly doubt there'll ever be a "tow package" on a new Corvette. The trailer hitch on the camo'ed car was 99% probability (my number) used to tow a small trailer that's part of the engineering gear. They can be calibrated to simulate grades, etc. They run them 24/7 on vehicles at most proving grounds. I've been on every domestic PG, and a lot of German, Japanese, British, Swedish and Italian proving grounds, too.
98 SVT can probably add to this.
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on November 12, 2021, 05:01:31 PM
Just throwing this gem out there for you guys wanting a C8 "R Model" - https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/11/chevy-announces-new-2024-corvette-z06-gt3-r-race-car/
Yes Pantera transaxle was a problem. I remember going to Stroppe's on Signal Hill and he had a whole room full of Pantera warranty transaxles. They belonged to Ford and I don't know if they finally went back for rebuild or just got scrapped.
I did look at this and was interested to see what transmission was going to be offered.
I saw no mention of a transmission? Are they intending to race this car strictly as an automatic?
The lack of talk of offering a manual transmission as an option has me doubting that this is the car for me.
Does anyone here know if it's a manual or auto?
Quote from: Side-Oilers on November 13, 2021, 03:03:52 PM
Can't tow? no problem
C8 Corvette Gets Hitched in Venice, Florida - Corvette: Sales, News & Lifestyle
https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2019/08/01/spied-c8-corvette-gets-hitched-in-venice-florida/
I highly doubt there'll ever be a "tow package" on a new Corvette. The trailer hitch on the camo'ed car was 99% probability (my number) used to tow a small trailer that's part of the engineering gear. They can be calibrated to simulate grades, etc. They run them 24/7 on vehicles at most proving grounds. I've been on every domestic PG, and a lot of German, Japanese, British, Swedish and Italian proving grounds, too.
98 SVT can probably add to this.
I agree. I have seen Vettes over the years towing cars just like I saw a 68 Shelby at a SAAC convention towing another 68 Shelby on a trailer. https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2021/07/14/c4-corvette-with-a-gooseneck-hitch-is-a-perfect-rig-for-towing-a-c4-drift-car-to-the-track/
I like the way this guy got innovative on his C7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiabqjRIfck
Yes, I too have seen guys in older Vettes, back in the day, towing small sailboats or other very light trailers. Not the best choice in a tow car, but if it's your only vehicle, I get it.
However, the factory (AFAIK) has never "tow rated" a Vette, probably mostly due to liability reasons. Also, it's so they don't have to add weight by having some acceptable structure for a hitch.
Shelbymann1970 this is Wayne Curry sometime in the 80's I think. 4 speed KR towing GT-500. Both cars are still local to me, Wayne passed away in 99. He also towed CSX3201 to LA with same car!
I am assuming these were the cars you saw.
Wondering if the GT will come with a complementary coupon for white NB shoes?
^^^ That's a goofy uniform, compared to the requisite "Old Shelby Guy" Hawaiian shirt, Dockers shorts and flip-flops.
Quote from: Side-Oilers on November 17, 2021, 10:57:10 PM
^^^ That's a goofy uniform, compared to the requisite "Old Shelby Guy" Hawaiian shirt, Dockers shorts and flip-flops.
Hey, hey, hey! Got the requisite uniform in daily use. But I live where it is an established dress code. That alternate uniform show in the photos is saved for SAAC conventions. 8)
Quote from: Side-Oilers on November 17, 2021, 10:57:10 PM
^^^ That's a goofy uniform, compared to the requisite "Old Shelby Guy" Hawaiian shirt, Dockers shorts and flip-flops.
I'm an "old Shelby guy" and I don't wear Hawaiian shirts, dockers or flip flops. I wear various footwear(NB, Fila, Sketchers and Nike currently, and never jean shorts. Usually cargo shorts. Mostly printed T-shirts. So when I get a new Vette should I only wear my NB shoes? In Tony's pics above the last showing long blue Jeans and NB tennis shoes I want to ask: Tony, why are you taking pictures of my feet? Weird. ;D ;D
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 18, 2021, 08:06:16 AM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on November 17, 2021, 10:57:10 PM
^^^ That's a goofy uniform, compared to the requisite "Old Shelby Guy" Hawaiian shirt, Dockers shorts and flip-flops.
I'm an "old Shelby guy" and I don't wear Hawaiian shirts, dockers or flip flops. I wear various footwear(NB, Fila, Sketchers and Nike currently, and never jean shorts. Usually cargo shorts. Mostly printed T-shirts. So when I get a new Vette should I only wear my NB shoes? In Tony's pics above the last showing long blue Jeans and NB tennis shoes I want to ask: Tony, why are you taking pictures of my feet? Weird. ;D ;D
Do you paint your toenails? If not, you don't have anything to worry about. ;)
NB for me and I don't know how my Shelby t-shirts are going to come across. Maybe there will be a Shelby version of the C8? The Fords seem to be discontinued?
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 18, 2021, 08:17:26 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 18, 2021, 08:06:16 AM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on November 17, 2021, 10:57:10 PM
^^^ That's a goofy uniform, compared to the requisite "Old Shelby Guy" Hawaiian shirt, Dockers shorts and flip-flops.
I'm an "old Shelby guy" and I don't wear Hawaiian shirts, dockers or flip flops. I wear various footwear(NB, Fila, Sketchers and Nike currently, and never jean shorts. Usually cargo shorts. Mostly printed T-shirts. So when I get a new Vette should I only wear my NB shoes? In Tony's pics above the last showing long blue Jeans and NB tennis shoes I want to ask: Tony, why are you taking pictures of my feet? Weird. ;D ;D
Do you paint your toenails? If not, you don't have anything to worry about. ;)
NB for me and I don't know how my Shelby t-shirts are going to come across. Maybe there will be a Shelby version of the C8? The Fords seem to be discontinued?
LOL no, I do not paint them . I try to wear good supporting shoes everywhere I go as I still run on a good week 5 days a week at lunch and I'll be 62 in another 2 weeks. I still got good knees and feet. Since I run around downtown Flint I need to be in shape just in case..... ;D ;D
"They" said that "he" was clinically insane and should be institutionalized
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 18, 2021, 08:06:16 AM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on November 17, 2021, 10:57:10 PM
^^^ That's a goofy uniform, compared to the requisite "Old Shelby Guy" Hawaiian shirt, Dockers shorts and flip-flops.
I'm an "old Shelby guy" and I don't wear Hawaiian shirts, dockers or flip flops. I wear various footwear(NB, Fila, Sketchers and Nike currently, and never jean shorts. Usually cargo shorts. Mostly printed T-shirts. So when I get a new Vette should I only wear my NB shoes? In Tony's pics above the last showing long blue Jeans and NB tennis shoes I want to ask: Tony, why are you taking pictures of my feet? Weird. ;D ;D
Happy Birthday to You, cha, cha, cha.
Happy Birthday to You, cha, cha, cha.
Happy Birthday Dear Shelbyman
Happy Birthday to You, cha, cha, cha.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 18, 2021, 10:56:36 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 18, 2021, 08:17:26 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 18, 2021, 08:06:16 AM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on November 17, 2021, 10:57:10 PM
^^^ That's a goofy uniform, compared to the requisite "Old Shelby Guy" Hawaiian shirt, Dockers shorts and flip-flops.
I'm an "old Shelby guy" and I don't wear Hawaiian shirts, dockers or flip flops. I wear various footwear(NB, Fila, Sketchers and Nike currently, and never jean shorts. Usually cargo shorts. Mostly printed T-shirts. So when I get a new Vette should I only wear my NB shoes? In Tony's pics above the last showing long blue Jeans and NB tennis shoes I want to ask: Tony, why are you taking pictures of my feet? Weird. ;D ;D
Do you paint your toenails? If not, you don't have anything to worry about. ;)
NB for me and I don't know how my Shelby t-shirts are going to come across. Maybe there will be a Shelby version of the C8? The Fords seem to be discontinued?
LOL no, I do not paint them . I try to wear good supporting shoes everywhere I go as I still run on a good week 5 days a week at lunch and I'll be 62 in another 2 weeks. I still got good knees and feet. Since I run around downtown Flint I need to be in shape just in case..... ;D ;D
Quote from: FL SAAC on November 18, 2021, 01:10:24 PM
Happy Birthday to You, cha, cha, cha.
Happy Birthday to You, cha, cha, cha.
Happy Birthday Dear Shelbyman
Happy Birthday to You, cha, cha, cha.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 18, 2021, 10:56:36 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 18, 2021, 08:17:26 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 18, 2021, 08:06:16 AM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on November 17, 2021, 10:57:10 PM
^^^ That's a goofy uniform, compared to the requisite "Old Shelby Guy" Hawaiian shirt, Dockers shorts and flip-flops.
I'm an "old Shelby guy" and I don't wear Hawaiian shirts, dockers or flip flops. I wear various footwear(NB, Fila, Sketchers and Nike currently, and never jean shorts. Usually cargo shorts. Mostly printed T-shirts. So when I get a new Vette should I only wear my NB shoes? In Tony's pics above the last showing long blue Jeans and NB tennis shoes I want to ask: Tony, why are you taking pictures of my feet? Weird. ;D ;D
Do you paint your toenails? If not, you don't have anything to worry about. ;)
NB for me and I don't know how my Shelby t-shirts are going to come across. Maybe there will be a Shelby version of the C8? The Fords seem to be discontinued?
LOL no, I do not paint them . I try to wear good supporting shoes everywhere I go as I still run on a good week 5 days a week at lunch and I'll be 62 in another 2 weeks. I still got good knees and feet. Since I run around downtown Flint I need to be in shape just in case..... ;D ;D
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Happy Birthday to you.
Now you're 62.
You need a new shoe...
I'm working on the rest... check back later! ;D
Gentlemen, I am truly overwhelmed with the talent that is exhibited on this forum. With that we would like to present a trophy to all of you. ( please disregard that spelling B bullsh#t on trophy ) Everyone here is a winner !
Keeping to the topic, NO that overpriced toy will not get a V8, it will keep sounding like angry bumble bees
Does it really sound like angry bees? bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz?
Recycling is good but at least you could make a new label with your P-touch label maker?
Kinda sorta, this is what it sounds like upon hard acceleration
www.coolbiz.com/wav/jetson3.wav
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 18, 2021, 08:32:43 PM
Does it really sound like angry bees? bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz?
Recycling is good but at least you could make a new label with your P-touch label maker?
That's George Jetson. What about his boy Elroy?