SAAC Forum

The Cars => 1969-1970 Boss 302/429 => Topic started by: Richstang on August 17, 2021, 05:33:55 PM

Title: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: Richstang on August 17, 2021, 05:33:55 PM
Over the years a few 1970 Shelby fastbacks have appeared with a red interior, but I’ve never seen a 1969 with a red interior.
-Were any made?

The red interior seem to be limited to specific colors such as white, red, and maybe pastel gray
-Were there any other paint colors that had it?

-Were there any Shelby convertibles produced with red interiors?
   (My guess is no, since I’ve never seen or heard of any)

Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: Coralsnake on August 17, 2021, 05:40:07 PM
I will take the easy one

Yes, there are 1969 Shelbys with red interiors
Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: shelbymann1970 on August 17, 2021, 06:07:37 PM
Over the years a few 1970 Shelby fastbacks have appeared with a red interior, but I’ve never seen a 1969 with a red interior.
-Were any made?

The red interior seem to be limited to specific colors such as white, red, and maybe pastel gray
-Were there any other paint colors that had it?

-Were there any Shelby convertibles produced with red interiors?
   (My guess is no, since I’ve never seen or heard of any)
While not a white car fan I do like the white with blue stripes with red interior 69s.
Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: Richstang on August 17, 2021, 06:21:10 PM
I will take the easy one

Yes, there are 1969 Shelbys with red interiors

Thank you Pete!

Of course that make sense as the '70s were left overs and re-tagged.
I just was wondering if the red interiors were a later run that ended up as left overs.


I was able to confirm there were no red interiors in convertibles!

That leaves my last question...which paint colors on 69/70 Shelby's got the red interiors?
Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: J_Speegle on August 17, 2021, 07:22:54 PM
That leaves my last question...which paint colors on 69/70 Shelby's got the red interiors?

You could order any color exterior with a red interior but there were "recommended" combinations just like there were for Mustangs. So you can run across Mustangs with red interiors and green or blue exteriors for example.

Now for what was ordered and or built you will need a break down from the records and I'm not aware that anyone has cared enough to make a list or order the answer from Kevin Marti
Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: Coralsnake on August 17, 2021, 07:25:52 PM
I think Vin knows

He told me no yellow and red interior

I dont think you'll find grabber green either

But I guess we would have to look at the whole pallet
Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: Richstang on August 17, 2021, 08:24:25 PM
Thanks Jeff
Thanks Pete

A quick search of some Marti reports (sales ads) and it appears there were no Special Paint cars with a red interior.
The numbers built for both the white and the black interior cars combined are a match to the total built.

Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: Coralsnake on August 17, 2021, 08:27:35 PM
Hmmm, no red/red?
Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: J_Speegle on August 17, 2021, 08:34:41 PM
Hmmm, no red/red?

Oh there were :) but I think he's referring to, in his last post, only Special Order paint Shelby examples
Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: Richstang on August 17, 2021, 08:40:49 PM
Yes only special paint colors.

Marti seems to change how he reports 'Special Paint' cars over the years. Earlier reports only list the total sum of all the special paint colors.
His later reports appear to give a breakdown by color. I have not found any Comp Red report breakdowns, yet.

Last I heard, he wants a hefty $100+ per hour for any research work. I'm not inclined to line his pockets for that.
Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: J_Speegle on August 17, 2021, 09:41:27 PM
Marti seems to change how he reports 'Special Paint' cars over the years. Earlier reports only list the total sum of all the special paint colors.
His later reports appear to give a breakdown by color. I have not found any Comp Red report breakdowns, yet.

Must be referring to Shelby's only since he doesn't know what color the vast majority of special paint other Ford models were. Likely a cross reference to what he has gotten from other sources
Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: Richstang on August 17, 2021, 09:50:33 PM
Yes, these were specifically Shelby reports for 1969
Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: Richstang on August 17, 2021, 09:58:24 PM
The change in the reports from ALL Special Paint numbers to individual 'Special Paint' colors appears to happen...

after 2010 and before 2017.
Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: honker on August 18, 2021, 11:19:39 AM
interesting thread, found this, I don't know if it is at all relevant ? Is/was this person a member here ?
Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: Richstang on August 18, 2021, 12:39:24 PM
interesting thread, found this, I don't know if it is at all relevant ? Is/was this person a member here ?

Thanks Mike,
I would think the red interior registry is relevant to the 69-70 conversation here but might be dated from the distant past.
The letter you posted appears in an older auction by GAA Classcis, showing a white '69 GT500 FB (no Marti report shown)
https://www.gaaclassiccars.com/vehicles/25064/1969-shelby-gt500

Some of the other letters in the auction listing note Vinman as the registrar. Tony could be a SAAC member, but maybe not on the forum.
There is no email address in the letter for the red interior registry, suggesting to me this is a older letter.


Further digging and review of the Ford records (Marti reports) suggest the red is a very rare color interior with only a few dozen produced over the 2 years. It also appear that only white, pastel gray, and candy apple red were the paint colors that offered that interior color on a Shelby.


 
Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: Bob Gaines on August 18, 2021, 12:49:31 PM
Since rarity of red interiors was mentioned I think it is relevant to mention that rare does not always equate to desirable. In this case desirability most likely had something to do with way there were not more.
Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: Richstang on August 18, 2021, 07:04:24 PM
While I agree desirability and rarity don’t always go together, that is a separate question I’m not asking here.
(Just the facts Maam)

My only question left, still unanswered, is the specifics of which paint colors were produced on ’69 -’70 Shelby’s with red interiors.
It appears it is not a well known answer and the registrar might be the only one who knows for certain.

If we were talking ’69-’70 Mustangs, red interiors in a Wimbledon White car was the second most popular interior color produced…
yet in a Shelby, it seem to be in very limited numbers.
Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: Bob Gaines on August 18, 2021, 07:45:12 PM
While I agree desirability and rarity don’t always go together, that is a separate question I’m not asking here.
(Just the facts Maam)

My only question left, still unanswered, is the specifics of which paint colors were produced on ’69 -’70 Shelby’s with red interiors.
It appears it is not a well known answer and the registrar might be the only one who knows for certain.

If we were talking ’69-’70 Mustangs, red interiors in a Wimbledon White car was the second most popular interior color produced…
yet in a Shelby, it seem to be in very limited numbers.
I don't think that a white with blue stripe Shelby would clash with a red interior at all  ::) Vinnie Liska is the only one that I am aware that has access to the 69/70 Shelby records. If you ask anyone else the best you can expect is a educated guess based on what is known.
Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: Richstang on August 18, 2021, 08:15:05 PM
Any owner of the specific paint / interior color who has purchased a Marti report (Ford Records) might have part of the answer.
I’ve already determined there were over 30 white fastbacks built in one of these model years and single digits were produced for Candy-apple red cars in that same year...from sales ads with Marti reports included.

The info is out there. I just thought it was better known and shared 50+ years after production.
We know the metrics for the ’67 Shelby’s very well for all the paint / interior color combos.
Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: Coralsnake on August 18, 2021, 08:21:19 PM
Mr Gaines, surely you can think of others 🤔
Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: Bob Gaines on August 19, 2021, 03:19:53 AM
Mr Gaines, surely you can think of others 🤔
I suppose a good friend of the Vin man could gain access too. ;)
Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: shelbymann1970 on August 19, 2021, 05:02:55 AM
Any owner of the specific paint / interior color who has purchased a Marti report (Ford Records) might have part of the answer.
I’ve already determined there were over 30 white fastbacks built in one of these model years and single digits were produced for Candy-apple red cars in that same year...from sales ads with Marti reports included.

The info is out there. I just thought it was better known and shared 50+ years after production.
We know the metrics for the ’67 Shelby’s very well for all the paint / interior color combos.
A long long time ago Vinny gave me the break down of my vert. Right down to the number of 4 speed white top black interior red cars made so I would say Vinny has the exact number of them on file.
Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: Mongo on August 19, 2021, 09:01:08 AM
In one our previous Registries on page 34
"page 34 i think it shows percentage of interior colors!

1969-70 Shelbys

2095 built with black  interior  66.5%
982 built   white interior            31.1%
76 built    red interior                   2.4%"

Mongo/Vinman
Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: Mongo on August 19, 2021, 09:17:51 AM
2014 Registry page 34 Show percentages for 1968 & 1969-70'd.
Title: Re: 1969 - 70 Shelby interior and paint color questions
Post by: Richstang on August 19, 2021, 12:41:18 PM
2014 Registry page 34 Show percentages for 1968 & 1969-70'd.

Thank You Mongo!  :)

That registry page certainly helps to confirm red interiors were available in both '69 & '70...along with some metrics.
Ford records (Marti reports) from some sale ads are helping to fill in the details of other questions that I have.
Pastel gray paint appears to be the one color that is very hard to find any Marti for. I'll keep looking.