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Title: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: deathsled on November 01, 2021, 12:07:27 AM
I know what you're thinking  Not another web channel by this guy.  Seriously?  No.  It's not.  I found this channel this evening.  Looks like he has sfm6s1523 according to his channel.  I find these things on youtube when I have nothing better to do.  And that happens a lot as of late.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-W4kYL_-n4

He may be on this site.  Don't know.
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: 6s1640 on November 02, 2021, 12:53:41 AM
Here is his second report out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_oez1I7sjY

Cory
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: Bob Gaines on November 02, 2021, 01:45:10 AM
I think it is a little amusing that he says a least a couple of times in the video when talking about mods that he was not going to do this or that because this is a "real Shelby" . He then goes on to talk about making modifications to every area of the suspension ,steering and drive train. Don't get me wrong it is his car and he can do as he wants but I think it is amusing that he is deluding himself into thinking that he is keeping the car original because it is a "real Shelby" as he says when if fact if he does everything he says he wants to the car will be in the category of highly modified when he is all done. I can't help but think he will live to regret some of the mods he plans on doing. Regardless I wish him only success in the project.
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: Greg on November 02, 2021, 08:41:58 AM
I realize it is his car and he can do what he wants but dang, this car is going to be high modified.  He is touching pretty much everything except the sheet metal and interior and obviously doesn't care about originality or value.
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: Chad on November 03, 2021, 10:09:23 AM
Man he is like watching paint dry!
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: 6S1523 on November 03, 2021, 11:41:01 AM
I don’t know when it happened, but early Shelby owner’s never used to be such judgmental pricks.  From what I can tell the older some of you get, the worse you’ve become though.  Perhaps you just feel safe saying whatever you like from the security you afford yourself by being behind your computer screen, a phenomenon that seems to be the new norm since social media has exposed how awful people, especially later life adults, really are.  It’s just odd, because I’m certain that face to face you’d keep your opinions to yourself because you’d be too afraid of the consequences that would come from showing your true self.

Not all of us want to spend thousands of hours to preserve washers and screws.  I’m not making any claims of performing a proper “restoration” in any authentic or concourse sense.  At the same time, there is a significant effort being made to preserve the integrity of the car so it can easily be returned to stock and restored to its correct original form if I ever desire that in the future.  Every original part from the car is being retained, and every effort has gone into acquiring missing parts for future restoration purposes.  The very limited modifications to the chassis are correctable with relative ease (I’ll need to weld up a small hole or two), but none of that matters if it doesn’t fit your opinion of what this car should be I’m sure.

Regardless, it’s my car, these are my choices, if you don’t like them, please: don’t watch the video content, and definitely don’t bother asking me about it here or in person if we cross paths at a regional event or a future convention. 

Enjoy the rest of your day.
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: Bob Gaines on November 03, 2021, 12:10:21 PM
I don’t know when it happened, but early Shelby owner’s never used to be such judgmental pricks.  From what I can tell the older some of you get, the worse you’ve become though.  Perhaps you just feel safe saying whatever you like from the security you afford yourself by being behind your computer screen, a phenomenon that seems to be the new norm since social media has exposed how awful people, especially later life adults, really are.  It’s just odd, because I’m certain that face to face you’d keep your opinions to yourself because you’d be too afraid of the consequences that would come from showing your true self.

Not all of us want to spend thousands of hours to preserve washers and screws.  I’m not making any claims of performing a proper “restoration” in any authentic or concourse sense.  At the same time, there is a significant effort being made to preserve the integrity of the car so it can easily be returned to stock and restored to its correct original form if I ever desire that in the future.  Every original part from the car is being retained, and every effort has gone into acquiring missing parts for future restoration purposes.  The very limited modifications to the chassis are correctable with relative ease (I’ll need to weld up a small hole or two), but none of that matters if it doesn’t fit your opinion of what this car should be I’m sure.

Regardless, it’s my car, these are my choices, if you don’t like them, please: don’t watch the video content, and definitely don’t bother asking me about it here or in person if we cross paths at a regional event or a future convention. 

Enjoy the rest of your day.
Wow ,I didn't know being supportive and wishing you success could be taken as such a bad thing. Geez after putting yourself on the internet for all to see and comment on you react to my least harsh yet supportive  commentary then I hope you don't do something very stupid when someone is truly critical.
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: CharlesTurner on November 03, 2021, 01:05:57 PM
It's interesting to watch the videos to see a different approach to an early car.  In stock form, the suspension/steering wasn't the greatest, so there is room for improvement.  The modifications suggested so far are nothing to be concerned about and a little welding in the future could easily reverse them.  Cataloging/saving the original parts is the right approach. 

When the owner posted about the car a while back, I made a suggestion that it would make better sense to restore big sections of the car instead of piecemealing.  It looks like a somewhat big-bang approach is in full swing now :-) 

If the owner is still reading here, one small bit of advice I would like to offer is don't go it alone.  There is a ton of experience here on the forum, lots of guys have done a lot of what you're doing and are almost always willing to share their experiences.  Parts selection is a difficult one, so that would be something I would highly suggest getting help on.  It's frustrating to buy parts, only to find out they aren't up to the task and have to buy again.  There are lots of reproduction parts that leave a lot to be desired.

Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: 6S1523 on November 03, 2021, 02:59:39 PM
Generally speaking, I’ve had similar issues with local Shelby club members (southern California area) trying to shame my vision of the finished car when discussing and planning the project and parts acquisition began in earnest in 2015-2018.  At one point I was so discouraged by the negative feedback that I was legitimately willing to sell the car, and then the insults came harder with offers of $15-45k for a rust-free well documented CA car, a few of the offers were from supposedly respectable buyers who I won’t mention, only because it’s not worth the drama that would ensue.  I took 2019 to think about what I wanted to do and in 2020, I set things in motion for the path I’m on now.

Bob,
Yours was not the only comment posted, my response was intentionally broad and not aimed at any one comment specifically.  If you have concerns over how your comment came across and feel the need to discuss it further we can do so privately.

Charles,
I appreciate the advice, it’s not that I’m not listening.  I have far more knowledge about the car, and what I’m doing with it than anyone would like to credit me with.  I’ve been around these cars my entire life, and I’ve been associated with this car since November 1987.  I’ve done substantial research on the parts I’m using and the path I’m taking.  It won’t please everyone, but the end results will please me, and I’m the only person who the end results matter to.  I have a substantial amount of work to do, far more than my initial inspection revealed.  Considering I want the car to be a driver and not a show car, I’m quite happy with the progress I’m making thus far.  As I said to Bob above, if the matter needs further discussion, reach out to me privately.

I don’t come on here often.  I avoid direct interaction with other enthusiasts in general because I’m rather sick of the BS that comes with interacting directly online.  Unfortunately, face to face interactions aren’t necessarily better with people being so disingenuous these days.  My choice to use YouTube and Instagram allows me to control the interactions and keep them relatively positive and constructive.  The content I’m posting is getting better continuously and becoming more interactive now that the project is seriously under way.  And that’s enough for me here for now.
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: deathsled on November 03, 2021, 03:50:22 PM
Well, it would appear that he IS in fact, on this forum as my first post suggested.  To the owner of 1523, I wasn't meaning to stir up any trouble for you.  I too have a day two car (6s843) and thought your channel was interesting for me.  (The guy is was referencing in my original posting was, in fact, myself because I post a lot of silly videos of me and my Hertz and/or my 2013 Boss 302 Laguna Seca and create YouTube channels some would think needlessly).  So coming across your channel was refreshing to see what someone else was doing with their Shelby, bringing it back to life again.  To me it was informative.  I am no expert and automotive technology and I am always willing to learn and hear another opinion on things like antifreeze and master cylinders and how they work and so on.  I thought your channel would be interesting to other Shelby guys, that's all.  And apparently it was, but not in the way intended perhaps.  Best of luck with your work on the car!

Richard E. 

As a further addendum, I am hoping you continue making your videos on your Shelby.  I enjoy them and hope you are not dissuaded.  I think I made a tactical error posting your video on this forum and started up a fire fight.  That was never my intention.  As a further addendum, never sell your car.  It has a lot of family memories tied up in the car.  Definitely a keeper.  Best wishes.
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: 6S1523 on January 08, 2022, 04:14:41 AM
I’m going to put on my fire suit for this one.  I did a far more thorough cleaning and inspection of the underside of 6S1523 and I found more than a dozen places the car has been improperly jacked up by the floor pan.  I was aware of three points previously, dating back to when my parents purchased the car, the most recent findings were less obvious and hidden to a large degree by road grime and copious amounts of undercoating.

Fortunately there is zero rust in the floor pan, but I would estimate 120+ hours total including disassembly, undercoating removal, cleaning, repairing the floor pan, preparing for paint, and reassembly with 40+ of those hours being by someone highly skilled at reworking sheet metal to return the current floor pan to the correct original shape. 

I will not be pursuing that level of restoration, and at the risk of needing nomex underpants on this forum, I’m going to “straighten the floor pan out” within reason, removing the undercoating, and then installing torque boxes and subframe connectors to stiffen up the soon to be 56 year old chassis.

There were some criticisms about my initial comments that I planned to keep the car fairly close to original.  Plans have changed slightly.  And since I have do intentions of selling the car in the next 20 years, I really don’t see an issue with my choices, the car will be a driver, not a show car, and I’m going to drive it like it’s meant to be driven.
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: Tired Sheep on January 08, 2022, 07:10:19 AM
Yet another example of shrinking violets.

There are more than a few here that are quick to criticize and accuse people. Unfortunately it always seems to be those who are armed with little or no real contributions. It seems to have spread to other areas where they can play their reindeer games.

Its too bad, the forum could be so much more and actually help people and promote the club and events. But instead there is this constant whining noise.

“Where’s my registry? why don’t you hide your vin numbers? Oh, you have a decal on your fan shroud!” 

Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: shelbydoug on January 08, 2022, 07:57:44 AM
You were the guys at the Bachelor Party who started the food fight before the stripper came out weren't you? As a result she quit. Couldn't you wait 15 minutes until she got naked?  ???
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: 427hunter on January 08, 2022, 10:39:02 AM
I don’t know when it happened, but early Shelby owner’s never used to be such judgmental pricks.  From what I can tell the older some of you get, the worse you’ve become though.  Perhaps you just feel safe saying whatever you like from the security you afford yourself by being behind your computer screen, a phenomenon that seems to be the new norm since social media has exposed how awful people, especially later life adults, really are.  It’s just odd, because I’m certain that face to face you’d keep your opinions to yourself because you’d be too afraid of the consequences that would come from showing your true self.

Not all of us want to spend thousands of hours to preserve washers and screws.  I’m not making any claims of performing a proper “restoration” in any authentic or concourse sense.  At the same time, there is a significant effort being made to preserve the integrity of the car so it can easily be returned to stock and restored to its correct original form if I ever desire that in the future.  Every original part from the car is being retained, and every effort has gone into acquiring missing parts for future restoration purposes.  The very limited modifications to the chassis are correctable with relative ease (I’ll need to weld up a small hole or two), but none of that matters if it doesn’t fit your opinion of what this car should be I’m sure.

Regardless, it’s my car, these are my choices, if you don’t like them, please: don’t watch the video content, and definitely don’t bother asking me about it here or in person if we cross paths at a regional event or a future convention. 

Enjoy the rest of your day.


Hi, you own a piece of history so that's why people cringe at mods. It's your car do as you will, but everything you change moves the car farther and farther from it's place in history - making it less interesting. Bob is one of the most knowledgeable guys on the forum and provided you a sound observation.   
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: FL SAAC on January 08, 2022, 11:41:14 AM
Love this guy !

Love his delivery and demeanor.  You (at least me) understand him clearly and he is not afraid to (should I say this? ) lean on his car.

Meant to be driven and enjoyed !
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: 427heaven on January 08, 2022, 12:31:01 PM
Maybe crack a smile or a joke to break up the seriousness of the clip, The IRON MAIDEN T shirt speaks volumes of his intensity, in cars and music. ;)
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: FL SAAC on January 08, 2022, 12:41:14 PM
Alright, alright, alright this is getting to tense. I'll break the ice by saying a few jokes that are appropriate for this crowd:

Two men broke into a drugstore and stole all the Viagra.

 The police put out an alert to be on the lookout for the two hardened criminals.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Give it to me! Give it to me!" she yelled. "I'm so wet, give it to me now!

She could scream all she wanted, but I was keeping the umbrella.





Maybe crack a smile or a joke to break up the seriousness of the clip, The IRON MAIDEN T shirt speaks volumes of his intensity, in cars and music. ;)
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: 427heaven on January 08, 2022, 12:45:06 PM
You scoundrel, you... Tony ;D
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: Harris Speedster on January 08, 2022, 01:40:34 PM
Guys
As always there is a final say.
There is a seat for every ass, and an ass for every seat.

Matter of opinion on a stock high value Shelby, or a modified Shelby worth less.
I myself like stock>>> the way Shelby built it.

Regardless, it’s my car, these are my choices, >>>>>>>>> so be it !

BTW, Bob wished you well, why the criticism for a respected senior Judge?
Just me 2 cents
Respectfully,
John

Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: deathsled on January 08, 2022, 03:02:28 PM
Alright, alright, alright this is getting to tense. I'll break the ice by saying a few jokes that are appropriate for this crowd:

Two men broke into a drugstore and stole all the Viagra.

 The police put out an alert to be on the lookout for the two hardened criminals.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Give it to me! Give it to me!" she yelled. "I'm so wet, give it to me now!

She could scream all she wanted, but I was keeping the umbrella.





Maybe crack a smile or a joke to break up the seriousness of the clip, The IRON MAIDEN T shirt speaks volumes of his intensity, in cars and music. ;)
Witty!
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: CharlesTurner on January 08, 2022, 03:58:27 PM
Has there ever been any data/tests that adding torque boxes to a 65-66 is going to make the car more stable/safe in normal driving conditions?  I can see that it may possibly be preferred for open track/racing.  If one of these early cars hasn't been wrecked/repaired or rusted out with a bunch of sheet metal replaced, they are usually pretty sound and the export brace/monte carlo bar gives them a very solid feeling.

If going through all this trouble, why not put a modern drive-train in the car, independent rear suspension? 

Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: 427hunter on January 08, 2022, 04:18:48 PM
Has there ever been any data/tests that adding torque boxes to a 65-66 is going to make the car more stable/safe in normal driving conditions?  I can see that it may possibly be preferred for open track/racing.  If one of these early cars hasn't been wrecked/repaired or rusted out with a bunch of sheet metal replaced, they are usually pretty sound and the export brace/monte carlo bar gives them a very solid feeling.

If going through all this trouble, why not put a modern drive-train in the car, independent rear suspension?


We used to call this "Super shop" syndrome - Sig, Mal, and holley ! 
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: Bob Gaines on January 08, 2022, 06:33:46 PM
Has there ever been any data/tests that adding torque boxes to a 65-66 is going to make the car more stable/safe in normal driving conditions?  I can see that it may possibly be preferred for open track/racing.  If one of these early cars hasn't been wrecked/repaired or rusted out with a bunch of sheet metal replaced, they are usually pretty sound and the export brace/monte carlo bar gives them a very solid feeling.

If going through all this trouble, why not put a modern drive-train in the car, independent rear suspension?
Full roll bar and stitch welding of the chassis are some other stiffing options the open track guys do.
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: S7MS427 on January 08, 2022, 09:06:44 PM
I’m going to put on my fire suit for this one.  I did a far more thorough cleaning and inspection of the underside of 6S1523 and I found more than a dozen places the car has been improperly jacked up by the floor pan.  I was aware of three points previously, dating back to when my parents purchased the car, the most recent findings were less obvious and hidden to a large degree by road grime and copious amounts of undercoating.

Fortunately there is zero rust in the floor pan, but I would estimate 120+ hours total including disassembly, undercoating removal, cleaning, repairing the floor pan, preparing for paint, and reassembly with 40+ of those hours being by someone highly skilled at reworking sheet metal to return the current floor pan to the correct original shape. 

I will not be pursuing that level of restoration, and at the risk of needing nomex underpants on this forum, I’m going to “straighten the floor pan out” within reason, removing the undercoating, and then installing torque boxes and subframe connectors to stiffen up the soon to be 56 year old chassis.

There were some criticisms about my initial comments that I planned to keep the car fairly close to original.  Plans have changed slightly.  And since I have do intentions of selling the car in the next 20 years, I really don’t see an issue with my choices, the car will be a driver, not a show car, and I’m going to drive it like it’s meant to be driven.

Walter (6S1523),

This is your car.  You can do anything you want with it and to it.  You can pursue whatever level of repair or restoration you wish.  Don't let others sway you with their opinions, do what you are comfortable with.  My plans for my GT350 are to leave it in a semi-survivor state.  Cheaper that way and the public seems to like seeing cars that have that 50 year old patina on it.  Best of luck with your project.
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: FL SAAC on January 08, 2022, 09:08:13 PM
+ 1

I’m going to put on my fire suit for this one.  I did a far more thorough cleaning and inspection of the underside of 6S1523 and I found more than a dozen places the car has been improperly jacked up by the floor pan.  I was aware of three points previously, dating back to when my parents purchased the car, the most recent findings were less obvious and hidden to a large degree by road grime and copious amounts of undercoating.

Fortunately there is zero rust in the floor pan, but I would estimate 120+ hours total including disassembly, undercoating removal, cleaning, repairing the floor pan, preparing for paint, and reassembly with 40+ of those hours being by someone highly skilled at reworking sheet metal to return the current floor pan to the correct original shape. 

I will not be pursuing that level of restoration, and at the risk of needing nomex underpants on this forum, I’m going to “straighten the floor pan out” within reason, removing the undercoating, and then installing torque boxes and subframe connectors to stiffen up the soon to be 56 year old chassis.

There were some criticisms about my initial comments that I planned to keep the car fairly close to original.  Plans have changed slightly.  And since I have do intentions of selling the car in the next 20 years, I really don’t see an issue with my choices, the car will be a driver, not a show car, and I’m going to drive it like it’s meant to be driven.

Walter (6S1523),

This is your car.  You can do anything you want with it and to it.  You can pursue whatever level of repair or restoration you wish.  Don't let others sway you with their opinions, do what you are comfortable with.  My plans for my GT350 are to leave it in a semi-survivor state.  Cheaper that way and the public seems to like seeing cars that have that 50 year old patina on it.  Best of luck with your project.
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: FL SAAC on January 08, 2022, 09:09:33 PM
Oh by the way you got one heluva car, enjoy !
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: 6S1523 on January 09, 2022, 05:25:30 PM

Hi, you own a piece of history so that's why people cringe at mods. It's your car do as you will, but everything you change moves the car farther and farther from it's place in history - making it less interesting. Bob is one of the most knowledgeable guys on the forum and provided you a sound observation.

In case you haven’t been alive the past 20 years, a later-66 GT350 isn’t worth crap these days relatively speaking.  Enthusiasm for these cars is being directed to “clones” costing as much as double the current price of the nice original drivers because a bunch of old guys got together and shamed everyone into feeling bad about actually enjoying these cars.  Visually speaking, a hood scoop, side scoops, quarter windows and some stripes make any fastback look like a ‘66 GT350.  So the clones are out there at $200K+ being enjoyed the way Carroll Shelby would have wanted us to do with the originals.

The “piece of history” thing is blown completely out of proportion, and those of us who want to drive the cars want more than the experience offered by polishing it before and after Cars & Coffee.  Facts about a correct stock ‘66 GT350 are that they are neither fast nor quick, they stop poorly, they turn poorly, they are uncomfortable, they are noisy, and a new 4-cylinder Mustang is better at everything you can ask them to do as a car.  All you have is a VIN tag and a specific look.  Beyond that, the cars are just old cars most enthusiasts under 50. 

More people will get excited by a loud and competent GT350 being driven with intent, than by a museum piece with a “Do Not Touch” sign showing from every angle.  If you want people to experience the history, and more importantly learn about it and keep it alive, put their ass in the passenger seat and show them.  It’s like the modern analogy of marrying a virgin supermodel and never sealing the deal to preserve her for her next husband.  First, if you know there is going to be a next husband you’re already in deep trouble.  Second why are you pouring your time and effort into something that you aren’t passionate about.  If you buy a real Shelby GT350 to enjoy it, you should enjoy it to the fullest, not just to spend money on it to look at it, and if you can improve it further without negative consequences, why wouldn’t you?
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: Side-Oilers on January 09, 2022, 05:50:33 PM
^^^^ 6S1523: 

As an owner myself of a Day 2 GT500KR with a 468-inch aluminum side-oiler, and a Kirkham Cobra with a 482-inch aluminum side-oiler, I agree.

I've also owned a handful of true low-mile concours cars over the past 40 years: Big-block Corvettes, a '66 Jaguar E Type, a '70 Dodge Charger R/T, a '57 GMC pickup, a '57 T-Bird E-model, '62 T-Bird, a '67 Eldorado and a '71 Imperial LeBaron. 

Of those, I enjoyed driving the last three on that list the most. I wasn't concerned about those cars losing value if they picked up a rock chip while being driven, or feeling like I had to watch over them with a shotgun when I left them in a parking lot. (BTW: I still have the Imperial and it's still one of my favs.)

Regarding classic muscle cars, I completely do appreciate seeing how they were when 100% stock. But, as we all know, many (most?) of those were put together shoddily at the factory. And (once I got to drive a few of them) didn't seem as quick/fast/awesome to me as my car-magazine-devouring former-adolescent self dreamed about.  So, thus my Day 2 personality.  Make them faster.

IMO, your last paragraph is spot-on with my perspective. The super-model virgin being saved for the next guy.  Very well put.
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: 427heaven on January 09, 2022, 06:23:08 PM
Van ... We are on the same page for most things, its a performance car, DRIVE IT LIKE ONE! There are two distinct groups here.... The drive em, work on em, race em, make em better and faster, enjoy the Hell out of it. On the other side of the fence is the... Im too old to race anymore, Drive fast anymore, I dont even know how to change the oil or put plugs in it, or worry about my investment, This group ALWAYS seems to POOPOO the others rides and inject their opinions about price - value usually. We have collectively as a group have become dug in on each others opinions of what others should be doing then worrying about their own rides. This has run off many a mild mannered SHELBY lover that would rather run solo then put up a fight every time they come on here to share about their pride and joy, Sad really, but true. While all the condemnation is going on in the cars values... ,Highly modified ELEANOR clones are bringing 350k to the dismay of the purists. People love Fast bitchen rides and are pulling their check books out to prove it. Lets all make 2022 the year that we all try a little harder to all get along. Hopefully the conventions will have more cars show up rather then less, time will tell before its too late! Happy 2022 to everyone.  ;)
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: 69mach351w on January 09, 2022, 06:51:46 PM

Hi, you own a piece of history so that's why people cringe at mods. It's your car do as you will, but everything you change moves the car farther and farther from it's place in history - making it less interesting. Bob is one of the most knowledgeable guys on the forum and provided you a sound observation.

In case you haven’t been alive the past 20 years, a later-66 GT350 isn’t worth crap these days relatively speaking.  Enthusiasm for these cars is being directed to “clones” costing as much as double the current price of the nice original drivers because a bunch of old guys got together and shamed everyone into feeling bad about actually enjoying these cars.  Visually speaking, a hood scoop, side scoops, quarter windows and some stripes make any fastback look like a ‘66 GT350.  So the clones are out there at $200K+ being enjoyed the way Carroll Shelby would have wanted us to do with the originals.

The “piece of history” thing is blown completely out of proportion, and those of us who want to drive the cars want more than the experience offered by polishing it before and after Cars & Coffee.  Facts about a correct stock ‘66 GT350 are that they are neither fast nor quick, they stop poorly, they turn poorly, they are uncomfortable, they are noisy, and a new 4-cylinder Mustang is better at everything you can ask them to do as a car.  All you have is a VIN tag and a specific look.  Beyond that, the cars are just old cars most enthusiasts under 50. 

More people will get excited by a loud and competent GT350 being driven with intent, than by a museum piece with a “Do Not Touch” sign showing from every angle.  If you want people to experience the history, and more importantly learn about it and keep it alive, put their ass in the passenger seat and show them.  It’s like the modern analogy of marrying a virgin supermodel and never sealing the deal to preserve her for her next husband.  First, if you know there is going to be a next husband you’re already in deep trouble.  Second why are you pouring your time and effort into something that you aren’t passionate about.  If you buy a real Shelby GT350 to enjoy it, you should enjoy it to the fullest, not just to spend money on it to look at it, and if you can improve it further without negative consequences, why wouldn’t you?
Obviously some here really don't finish reading the post or just don't understand what people write in their post.

@427Hunter.........
6S1523 plainly stated in Reply #5, 2nd paragraph.
"At the same time, there is a significant effort being made to preserve the integrity of the car so it can easily be returned to stock and restored to its correct original form"......
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: Side-Oilers on January 09, 2022, 07:35:42 PM
427Heaven:  You and I are definitely on the same side!   

I remember when I bought my KR, 40 years ago this year.  Back then, I was in my early 20s and didn't have even close to the $$ to actually buy it. And my parents wouldn't help.  I borrowed some money from my friends, wrangled a salary advance from my employer (Popular Hot Rodding Magazine) and got a few scheckles of donation from my dear old grandmother to make it happen. Oh yeah, and I even talked the KR's seller into floating me a short-term loan.  That's how much I wanted the car.  It was already a Day 2 car with a 427 side-oiler, headers and five-spoke wheels, but the rest was original: Paint, sheet-metal, interior, etc. 

Imagine my disappointment when I took it to my first local Shelby & Cobra get-together and literally no one walked over to look at my car. I'd been directed to park at the far end of the lot, with the couple of other orphan Shelbys...meaning anything '66 and later.  Back then, unless you had a '65 GT350, or a Cobra, you weren't shit.  I was crestfallen.  I'd may as well have parked on the other side of the dumpsters.

That type of scenario has, of course, changed for the better in recent decades. But as we all know, there's still some of the cognoscenti looking down upon us Day Two'ers. 

IMO, we all (well, perhaps only 99.4% of us) are here because we LOVE Shelbys.  That should make us a fraternity...a brotherhood of sorts. Sure, brothers argue and wrestle on the lawn occasionally...but let another clan try and mess with our "family" and there'll be trouble.

I respect everyone on here who is dedicated to their vision of their car. What they love.

As many have stated on this forum before: We need new Shelby enthusiasts to join our ranks. Please come here with genuine enthusiasm & thoughtful questions. But don't show up acting like too-cool hero bloggers, know-it-alls, outright liars/scammers, or rude/pompous jerks. 

I don't wish to start a range war with anyone. I'm just stating my opinions, and here's another one: When life's timeclock runs out on each of us, I hope we each can grin at the devil about having heart-pounding, adrenaline-pulsing, total wild fun with our Shelbys.  Whether that's racing it, street driving it, concours showing it, modifying it, or just making it all perfect & looking at it.   

Well...so long as the next owner doesn't Eleanor my car, or make it into a low rider, or put a BB Chevy in it  :P...   Then, I'm coming back to haunt you!  With a very pissed-off Carroll at my side!!
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on January 09, 2022, 08:29:22 PM
I don’t know when it happened, but early Shelby owner’s never used to be such judgmental pricks.  From what I can tell the older some of you get, the worse you’ve become though. 

Hey I'm one of those old guys and salute your efforts to build YOUR car. I'm a strong day 2 advocate and hate seeing a line of of early Shelbys where the only difference is the date codes on the sheetmetal and glass. I think a lot of people have been blinded by the value of Day 1 cars and let that sway their judgement. ALL Shelbys in their lifetime have a history and memories - a soul if you will. That gets erased for the most part when restored.
Imagine if you will your car parked at a show and some old guy comes up and says that was my car. See that hole there? I drilled that when I mounted XYZ ignition module it helped me get another 1/10 out of it at X track or beat that Vette in the impromptu street race. Everything that has been done to that car has a story.
BTW: I sold OP 843 and am proud that he is enjoying as it was designed and hasn't turned it into an inanimate piece of art.
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: deathsled on January 09, 2022, 08:50:34 PM
I don’t know when it happened, but early Shelby owner’s never used to be such judgmental pricks.  From what I can tell the older some of you get, the worse you’ve become though. 

Hey I'm one of those old guys and salute your efforts to build YOUR car. I'm a strong day 2 advocate and hate seeing a line of of early Shelbys where the only difference is the date codes on the sheetmetal and glass. I think a lot of people have been blinded by the value of Day 1 cars and let that sway their judgement. ALL Shelbys in their lifetime have a history and memories - a soul if you will. That gets erased for the most part when restored.
Imagine if you will your car parked at a show and some old guy comes up and says that was my car. See that hole there? I drilled that when I mounted XYZ ignition module it helped me get another 1/10 out of it at X track or beat that Vette in the impromptu street race. Everything that has been done to that car has a story.
BTW: I sold OP 843 and am proud that he is enjoying as it was designed and hasn't turned it into an inanimate piece of art.

You were saying?  Lol
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: Side-Oilers on January 09, 2022, 08:53:02 PM
^^^ But wait, Richard.  Isn't that photo actually a piece of art?    ;D
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: FL SAAC on January 09, 2022, 08:55:29 PM
You there ! Yes you, How dare you !
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: deathsled on January 09, 2022, 10:04:16 PM
^^^ But wait, Richard.  Isn't that photo actually a piece of art?    ;D

Oh yeah!  The painter did a magnificent job.  I wanted to be captured in my car before I got any older.  If I live long enough, I can look back with fondness upon these (relatively) earlier years.
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: 427hunter on January 11, 2022, 01:15:15 AM

Hi, you own a piece of history so that's why people cringe at mods. It's your car do as you will, but everything you change moves the car farther and farther from it's place in history - making it less interesting. Bob is one of the most knowledgeable guys on the forum and provided you a sound observation.

In case you haven’t been alive the past 20 years, a later-66 GT350 isn’t worth crap these days relatively speaking.  Enthusiasm for these cars is being directed to “clones” costing as much as double the current price of the nice original drivers because a bunch of old guys got together and shamed everyone into feeling bad about actually enjoying these cars.  Visually speaking, a hood scoop, side scoops, quarter windows and some stripes make any fastback look like a ‘66 GT350.  So the clones are out there at $200K+ being enjoyed the way Carroll Shelby would have wanted us to do with the originals.

The “piece of history” thing is blown completely out of proportion, and those of us who want to drive the cars want more than the experience offered by polishing it before and after Cars & Coffee.  Facts about a correct stock ‘66 GT350 are that they are neither fast nor quick, they stop poorly, they turn poorly, they are uncomfortable, they are noisy, and a new 4-cylinder Mustang is better at everything you can ask them to do as a car.  All you have is a VIN tag and a specific look.  Beyond that, the cars are just old cars most enthusiasts under 50. 

More people will get excited by a loud and competent GT350 being driven with intent, than by a museum piece with a “Do Not Touch” sign showing from every angle.  If you want people to experience the history, and more importantly learn about it and keep it alive, put their ass in the passenger seat and show them.  It’s like the modern analogy of marrying a virgin supermodel and never sealing the deal to preserve her for her next husband.  First, if you know there is going to be a next husband you’re already in deep trouble.  Second why are you pouring your time and effort into something that you aren’t passionate about.  If you buy a real Shelby GT350 to enjoy it, you should enjoy it to the fullest, not just to spend money on it to look at it, and if you can improve it further without negative consequences, why wouldn’t you?
Obviously some here really don't finish reading the post or just don't understand what people write in their post.

@427Hunter.........
6S1523 plainly stated in Reply #5, 2nd paragraph.
"At the same time, there is a significant effort being made to preserve the integrity of the car so it can easily be returned to stock and restored to its correct original form"......



He also said he's welding in subframe connectors... It's obvious some people here don't pay attention  ;D ha ha ha
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: 427hunter on January 11, 2022, 02:09:01 AM

Hi, you own a piece of history so that's why people cringe at mods. It's your car do as you will, but everything you change moves the car farther and farther from it's place in history - making it less interesting. Bob is one of the most knowledgeable guys on the forum and provided you a sound observation.

In case you haven’t been alive the past 20 years, a later-66 GT350 isn’t worth crap these days relatively speaking.  Enthusiasm for these cars is being directed to “clones” costing as much as double the current price of the nice original drivers because a bunch of old guys got together and shamed everyone into feeling bad about actually enjoying these cars.  Visually speaking, a hood scoop, side scoops, quarter windows and some stripes make any fastback look like a ‘66 GT350.  So the clones are out there at $200K+ being enjoyed the way Carroll Shelby would have wanted us to do with the originals.

The “piece of history” thing is blown completely out of proportion, and those of us who want to drive the cars want more than the experience offered by polishing it before and after Cars & Coffee.  Facts about a correct stock ‘66 GT350 are that they are neither fast nor quick, they stop poorly, they turn poorly, they are uncomfortable, they are noisy, and a new 4-cylinder Mustang is better at everything you can ask them to do as a car.  All you have is a VIN tag and a specific look.  Beyond that, the cars are just old cars most enthusiasts under 50. 

More people will get excited by a loud and competent GT350 being driven with intent, than by a museum piece with a “Do Not Touch” sign showing from every angle.  If you want people to experience the history, and more importantly learn about it and keep it alive, put their ass in the passenger seat and show them.  It’s like the modern analogy of marrying a virgin supermodel and never sealing the deal to preserve her for her next husband.  First, if you know there is going to be a next husband you’re already in deep trouble.  Second why are you pouring your time and effort into something that you aren’t passionate about.  If you buy a real Shelby GT350 to enjoy it, you should enjoy it to the fullest, not just to spend money on it to look at it, and if you can improve it further without negative consequences, why wouldn’t you?


I think you miss the entire point, I (like many other) like the way old cars drive because it's enjoyable, I don't want them to drive like a new car, I like the history and the way they were made. I have several cars in my fleet that I have restored over the years, my interest in hot-rodded shit-boxes went away years ago. My fuelie vette was a marvel of engineering back in 64, you ever delt with puddle fuel injection? Now in your world I would chuck that fuelie unit for a 3310 and a performer, no thanks I will stick with 1964. My ls3 ss camaro or my wife's challenger rt are daily drivers and they will run circles around just about anything with the ac on! but that's not the point is it? if performance is what your after you are barking up the wrong tree, get a new Shelby. I don't know if you can turn a wrench, but since you live in Utah and have all these grand plans, how do you plan on getting this brute performance out of a normally asperated 289 at elevation ?   
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: 6S1523 on January 11, 2022, 11:54:03 AM
I’m done.  This place is clearly for opinionated assholes who thrive on bullying people about their cars.  It’s sad, because SAAC used to be a really fantastic group of likeminded people, I know this because I’ve participated in the club and events dating back to SAAC 9.  I don’t need to come here to be belittled and berated by impotent keyboard warriors. 
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: FL SAAC on January 11, 2022, 12:02:05 PM
Listen dude, that's exactly what they want.

Don't leave,  stay , look , listen and post.

You leave it's:

Dude - 0
Them - 1
Winners by default



I’m done.  This place is clearly for opinionated assholes who thrive on bullying people about their cars.  It’s sad, because SAAC used to be a really fantastic group of likeminded people, I know this because I’ve participated in the club and events dating back to SAAC 9.  I don’t need to come here to be belittled and berated by impotent keyboard warriors.
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: FL SAAC on January 11, 2022, 12:18:34 PM
Thank you for triggering in me an epiphany

Quote from: link=topic=16769.msg141692#msg141692 date=1641656342



In case you haven’t been alive the past 20 years, a later-66 GT350 isn’t worth crap these days relatively speaking.  Enthusiasm for these cars is being directed to “clones” costing as much as double the current price of the nice original drivers because a bunch of old guys got together and shamed everyone into feeling bad about actually enjoying these cars.  Visually speaking, a hood scoop, side scoops, quarter windows and some stripes make any fastback look like a ‘66 GT350.  So the clones are out there at $200K+ being enjoyed the way Carroll Shelby would have wanted us to do with the originals.

The “piece of history” thing is blown completely out of proportion, and those of us who want to drive the cars want more than the experience offered by polishing it before and after Cars & Coffee.  Facts about a correct stock ‘66 GT350 are that they are neither fast nor quick, they stop poorly, they turn poorly, they are uncomfortable, they are noisy, and a new 4-cylinder Mustang is better at everything you can ask them to do as a car.  All you have is a VIN tag and a specific look.  Beyond that, the cars are just old cars most enthusiasts under 50. 

More people will get excited by a loud and competent GT350 being driven with intent, than by a museum piece with a “Do Not Touch” sign showing from every angle.  If you want people to experience the history, and more importantly learn about it and keep it alive, put their ass in the passenger seat and show them.  It’s like the modern analogy of marrying a virgin supermodel and never sealing the deal to preserve her for her next husband.  First, if you know there is going to be a next husband you’re already in deep trouble.  Second why are you pouring your time and effort into something that you aren’t passionate about.  If you buy a real Shelby GT350 to enjoy it, you should enjoy it to the fullest, not just to spend money on it to look at it, and if you can improve it further without negative consequences, why wouldn’t you?
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: FL SAAC on January 11, 2022, 01:42:03 PM
 took your qoute out completely, but the name fell on the outside of the qoute

It has been removed now
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: Greg on January 11, 2022, 02:03:47 PM
I watched some of the videos, since the car is pretty far from being original already it appeared the guy was going all in to make it what he wants.  Not my cup of tea but I really don't care as its not my car. 

As most know, it takes a considerable amount of effort and expense to identify, track down, purchase and restore correct parts which is obviously not his thing.  By his rude comments however, it also appears in his eyes, no one else can have an opinion unless you praise him for his efforts.  1523... get over it, just agree to disagree and do your thing instead acting like a spoiled child. 

What the SAAC and a lot of its members offer is incredible, the knowledge is tremendous but guess what, people have opinions and they might not agree with yours.  If you walk away it is your loss.
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: CharlesTurner on January 11, 2022, 02:10:34 PM
I watched some of the videos, since the car is pretty far from being original already it appeared the guy was going all in to make it what he wants.  Not my cup of tea but I really don't care as its not my car. 

As most know, it takes a considerable amount of effort and expense to identify, track down, purchase and restore correct parts which is obviously not his thing.  By his rude comments however, it also appears in his eyes, no one else can have an opinion unless you praise him for his efforts.  1523... get over it, just agree to disagree and do your thing instead acting like a spoiled child. 

What the SAAC and a lot of its members offer is incredible, the knowledge is tremendous but guess what, people have opinions and they might not agree with yours.  If you walk away it is your loss.

Totally agree.  Not sure what more anyone could have said here.
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: 69mach351w on January 11, 2022, 07:35:45 PM

Hi, you own a piece of history so that's why people cringe at mods. It's your car do as you will, but everything you change moves the car farther and farther from it's place in history - making it less interesting. Bob is one of the most knowledgeable guys on the forum and provided you a sound observation.

In case you haven’t been alive the past 20 years, a later-66 GT350 isn’t worth crap these days relatively speaking.  Enthusiasm for these cars is being directed to “clones” costing as much as double the current price of the nice original drivers because a bunch of old guys got together and shamed everyone into feeling bad about actually enjoying these cars.  Visually speaking, a hood scoop, side scoops, quarter windows and some stripes make any fastback look like a ‘66 GT350.  So the clones are out there at $200K+ being enjoyed the way Carroll Shelby would have wanted us to do with the originals.

The “piece of history” thing is blown completely out of proportion, and those of us who want to drive the cars want more than the experience offered by polishing it before and after Cars & Coffee.  Facts about a correct stock ‘66 GT350 are that they are neither fast nor quick, they stop poorly, they turn poorly, they are uncomfortable, they are noisy, and a new 4-cylinder Mustang is better at everything you can ask them to do as a car.  All you have is a VIN tag and a specific look.  Beyond that, the cars are just old cars most enthusiasts under 50. 

More people will get excited by a loud and competent GT350 being driven with intent, than by a museum piece with a “Do Not Touch” sign showing from every angle.  If you want people to experience the history, and more importantly learn about it and keep it alive, put their ass in the passenger seat and show them.  It’s like the modern analogy of marrying a virgin supermodel and never sealing the deal to preserve her for her next husband.  First, if you know there is going to be a next husband you’re already in deep trouble.  Second why are you pouring your time and effort into something that you aren’t passionate about.  If you buy a real Shelby GT350 to enjoy it, you should enjoy it to the fullest, not just to spend money on it to look at it, and if you can improve it further without negative consequences, why wouldn’t you?
Obviously some here really don't finish reading the post or just don't understand what people write in their post.

@427Hunter.........
6S1523 plainly stated in Reply #5, 2nd paragraph.
"At the same time, there is a significant effort being made to preserve the integrity of the car so it can easily be returned to stock and restored to its correct original form"......



He also said he's welding in subframe connectors... It's obvious some people here don't pay attention  ;D ha ha ha
Yea, but it can be reversed. Damn, you should know that ::)

Why don't all of you keep your comments to yourself and LET THE MAN DO WHAT THE HELL HE WANTS TO WITH IT.   

Beats all I've ever seen ::) 

GOOD GRIEF.
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: corbins on January 11, 2022, 07:48:51 PM
I don’t know when it happened, but early Shelby owner’s never used to be such judgmental pricks.  From what I can tell the older some of you get, the worse you’ve become though.  Perhaps you just feel safe saying whatever you like from the security you afford yourself by being behind your computer screen, a phenomenon that seems to be the new norm since social media has exposed how awful people, especially later life adults, really are.  It’s just odd, because I’m certain that face to face you’d keep your opinions to yourself because you’d be too afraid of the consequences that would come from showing your true self.

Not all of us want to spend thousands of hours to preserve washers and screws.  I’m not making any claims of performing a proper “restoration” in any authentic or concourse sense.  At the same time, there is a significant effort being made to preserve the integrity of the car so it can easily be returned to stock and restored to its correct original form if I ever desire that in the future.  Every original part from the car is being retained, and every effort has gone into acquiring missing parts for future restoration purposes.  The very limited modifications to the chassis are correctable with relative ease (I’ll need to weld up a small hole or two), but none of that matters if it doesn’t fit your opinion of what this car should be I’m sure.

Regardless, it’s my car, these are my choices, if you don’t like them, please: don’t watch the video content, and definitely don’t bother asking me about it here or in person if we cross paths at a regional event or a future convention. 

Enjoy the rest of your day.
Wow ,I didn't know being supportive and wishing you success could be taken as such a bad thing. Geez after putting yourself on the internet for all to see and comment on you react to my least harsh yet supportive  commentary then I hope you don't do something very stupid when someone is truly critical.
I guess your right, most of us are "older" , but I doubt any would be so scared of you as to not give their honest opinion when ask... and sometimes when not ask. Get over yourself youngen.
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: 69mach351w on January 12, 2022, 07:21:16 PM
I’m done.  This place is clearly for opinionated assholes who thrive on bullying people about their cars.  It’s sad, because SAAC used to be a really fantastic group of likeminded people, I know this because I’ve participated in the club and events dating back to SAAC 9.  I don’t need to come here to be belittled and berated by impotent keyboard warriors.
When I started here several years back, "some" accused me of taking their business from them just because I enjoyed selling "Anything" Mustang and Shelby. Had been doing it for many years before ever stepping foot into this room.

So, I just let it flow over my back and eventually had some of those "Accusers"  buying parts from me.  ;D
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: deathsled on January 12, 2022, 09:36:18 PM
I hope he continues making videos and visiting this site from time to time.  Perhaps he is a bit angry but I say that is a good thing because it is a sign of male health in all seriousness.  It means good levels of testosterone and men are meant to spare with each other from time to time.  Sparing between males is rife through the animal kingdom.  No one should really apologize for it.  It's in our nature.  These days we have a testosterone shortage in young men partly from chemicals in the foods and additives such as soy.  Why is there so much soy in our food stuffs?  It is one of the toughest substances to shop your way out of at the grocery store.  Look at some labels and you will see.  The labels don't tell you that soy is a phytoestrogen that mimics the female estrogen.  It is to be avoided in men at all costs.  It's in some other food stuffs but soy is the worst.
Yeah, somewhat off topic I know, but it sort of applies to explain the exchanges that occurred on this thread does it not?
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: CharlesTurner on January 13, 2022, 12:59:14 AM
Yeah, somewhat off topic I know, but it sort of applies to explain the exchanges that occurred on this thread does it not?

Put everyone in this conversation in a bar together, in person, talking car stuff and it would be a very different situation.

The only issue with the exchange that occurred here is a lack of effective communication skills.
Title: Re: The G.T. 350 Garage YouTube channel
Post by: FL SAAC on January 13, 2022, 09:25:37 AM
Good morning brother Charles

I know the intent is good,  but not a bar.  To much smoke,  liquor and possibly women of ill repute to contaminate our pure minds and bodies.

May I suggest a county fair,  a baseball game, a fishing excursion or just around the corner the MLK parade. There we can come together as one and share in the festivities.

May I also recommend that everyone follow our free postings under fighting negativity and also our pod cast under the same  name in order to achieve inner peace

Today's inspirational qoute:

"There is no path to happiness; happiness is the path."

Now back to the topic,  Shelby on YouTube




Yeah, somewhat off topic I know, but it sort of applies to explain the exchanges that occurred on this thread does it not?

Put everyone in this conversation in a bar together, in person, talking car stuff and it would be a very different situation.

The only issue with the exchange that occurred here is a lack of effective communication skills.