https://m.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Mustang-SHELBY-GT-350/292543299132?hash=item441cf07e3c:g:d-sAAOSw5m1a5jIn
Original paint "yard find" !! :o
Man.....That is heart breaking, I bet it was one of those, "I'm going to fix it one day" stories.
Great fixer upper for somebody talented.
I used to own a nice Silver Jade Fastback with 351W that would have bee perfect for a Re-Body........
I like the "Behind the Barn Find" tag line.
Personally, it's really had for me to see cars that have been EXTREMELY neglected, but being sold as "Barn Finds". Or, in this case, behind the barn...complete with cancerous rust, etc. ::)
I haven't seen a Marti report like that one before.
It is the Standard Marti Report. That is the least expensive of the reports available at Marti.
Deluxe and Elite Marti reports are more comprehensive and cost a little more as you go along.
Stubee
Bid to 20k....Really....I just don't get it......
Crazy money bid and crazy money to restore. My bet is some one will rebody. The roof looks caved in as well
I agree on the rebody. Any serious buyer should require before, progress pictures (showing it is still the original car they are working on) and after to prove the car wasn't rebodied. Even then, there will hardly be anything left of the original car.
Those are some nice wheel dollies!
I too am surprised it's bid that high.
I couldn't believe the oil pan!
Quote from: gt350cs on April 30, 2018, 10:57:05 AM
I couldn't believe the oil pan!
SeaSalt brand motor oil.
Quote from: azdriver on April 30, 2018, 07:21:39 AM
Bid to 20k....Really....I just don't get it......
+1
Oil pan looks like it sat down in the mud for quite some time while in the car.
Its a private listing bidder which is probably a shill bid as I can't see anyone paying $20K for it.
Quote from: gt350cs on April 30, 2018, 10:57:05 AM
I couldn't believe the oil pan!
Don't quite understand the rusted out oil pan. Car must've been sitting on the ground and the oil pan was as well to have rot all the way through.
I still don't understand these kind of people! Either they're stupid as H3LL and can't read or even knew back in the 70's-80's that these Shelbys were highly collectible because of their nameplate, and they were so different than a regular FB. Even the door data plate says "Special Performance Vehicle". Just don't understand.....
In the 1970s, these cars were at the bottom of their depreciation cycle. A wrecked car was not worth repairing. It was not until the late 1980s people started resurrecting these wrecks. It's not hard to believe some remain unrestored. I know some about this car and the person selling the car has been chasing it for many years.
Yard art
it was obviously wrecked when it was parted, not worth much back then, not intended to fix (parts pulled wrecking yard style) I parted many of these in the old days. phred
Did all 69 Shelbys have the addition wrap on the shock towers?
I think those doors are usable. With a little work....
Quote from: azdriver on April 30, 2018, 08:30:46 PM
Did all 69 Shelbys have the addition wrap on the shock towers?
I think those doors are usable. With a little work....
Yes typically even the GT350.
Certainly gives new meaning to the phrase "put away wet"
;D
Some people do not follow car values like some don't follow stocks, RE, coins, etc. Also, some are not motivated to sell. I've been after a 69 GT 500 in a barn (yes, really) for 25 years an have offered fair money. The car's value is past it's peak and is now depreciating as it continues to deteriorate. Some day, they will decide to sell, but they will end up with less money in the pocket, and for what? Plus, they would have more hay storage area...
GUILTY, THE CAR IS MINE. KNOWN OF THIS 69 ALONG WITH TWO 68 GT500 4 SPEED FASTBACKS THAT SAT ON THIS FARM SINCE THE MID SEVENTIES. ONLY LIVE ABOUT 8 MILES FROM THEM. THE MOTHER OWNED THE BLACK 68 #00730 AND WAS ON HER WAY TO WORK ON A FOGGY MORNING, IN 1974, TURNED IN FRONT OF A CAR AND WAS HIT HARD IN THE RIGHT REAR QUARTER. THIS WAS TOWED BACK TO THE FARM. THIS CAR HAS BEEN RESTORED AND NOW RESIDES IN THE CLEVELAND OHIO AREA. THE SON OWNED THE RED 68 #00801, IN 1972 IT WAS PARKED AT A SERVICE STATION WHERE HE WORKED, SOMEONE LIT THE INTERIOR ON FIRE AND THE CAR WAS DESTROYED. IT TOO WAS TOWED BACK TO THE FARM, THE ENGINE WAS PULLED AND WHAT WAS LEFT OF THE BODY PLACED IN THE FIELD. AS A REPLACMENT CAR, THE SON PURCHASED THIS 69 350 IN CLEVELAND ON SEPT 17, 1973. AFTER THE ACCIDENT THIS CAR WAS TOWED BACK TO THE FARM AND RESTED " BESIDE THE BARN". BACK IN MARCH OF 1989 I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO CATCH THE FATHER IN A SELLING MOOD AND WAS ABLE TO PURCHASE THE TWO 68s. THE BLACK 500 WAS WRECKED BUT COMPLETE. THE RED 500 WAS JUST A RUSTED HULK WITHOUT THE ENGINE OR TRANSMISSION. HE WOULD NOT SELL THE 69. MIGHT FIX IT UP ONE DAY. FAST FORWARD 29 YEARS, IN MARCH I RECEIVED A CALL FROM THE SONS NEPHEW SAYING THAT WITH BOTH GRANDPARENTS GONE THE FARM IS GOING TO BE SOLD. HE SAID THAT HIS UNCLE WAS READY TO PART WITH THE LAST SHELBY AND THE 428 ENGINE FROM #OO801 AND WAS WONDERING IF I WAS INTERESTED. A DEAL WAS MADE AND ON APRIL 11TH WE RECOVERED IT. WORKING AT FORD MOTOR COMPANY MOST OF MY CAREER AND BEING A CAR GUY ALL MY LIFE, MY HOPE IS THAT THIS SHELBY WILL GO TO A GOOD HOME THAT IT SO MUCH DESERVES AND WILL NEVER HAVE TO SPEND ANOTHER DAY OUTSIDE OTHER THAN AT A CAR SHOW.
Wurd
FOMOCO1,
I appreciate the backstory. Interesting history.
FOMOCO1 - Leonard (owner) and his brother called me two months ago and asked me the value of the car along with the 428PI motor and an Indian motorcycle - He told me I would have first shot at it but he needed a value first - I told him I charge for my professional consultation services and he said I will end up with the car and motors so waive my fee - I fell for it - I looked at pixs and told him value anywhere between 5k and 15k for car & engines and I valued the motorcycle seperatly and he said great and he would get back to me - He showed me pixs of a charred 68 Shelby center console as well - He (unexpectedly) texted me the night before you came over & a day before i was to send truck to pick up car and motors and said he sold you car and engines for 10k - I was shocked - I asked him what happened with his first right of refusal offer and he just shrugged it off - I should send him a bill for my services - SGB
FOMOCO- what happened to the red 68 hulk?
WOW Stephen .... what a way to do business. Sorry to see that you were taken advantage of in this matter.
Quote from: stephen_becker on May 02, 2018, 12:10:18 PM
FOMOCO1 - Leonard (owner) and his brother called me two months ago and asked me the value of the car along with the 428PI motor and an Indian motorcycle - He told me I would have first shot at it but he needed a value first - I told him I charge for my professional consultation services and he said I will end up with the car and motors so waive my fee - I fell for it - I looked at pixs and told him value anywhere between 5k and 15k for car & engines and I valued the motorcycle seperatly and he said great and he would get back to me - He showed me pixs of a charred 68 Shelby center console as well - He (unexpectedly) texted me the night before you came over & a day before i was to send truck to pick up car and motors and said he sold you car and engines for 10k - I was shocked - I asked him what happened with his first right of refusal offer and he just shrugged it off - I should send him a bill for my services - SGB
That's an unfortunate situation but why would you tell the world what this guy paid for his pot of Gold?
That doesn't seem fair to him.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE RED HULK? IN APRIL OF 1989 I WAS GETTING ESTIMATES FROM SEVERAL LOCAL RESTORATION SHOPS TO RESTORE THE BLACK 68, WHILE A DISTANT MUSTANG ONLY RESTORATION SHOP CAME TO GIVE US AN ESTIMATE THEY SAW THE RED CAR AND INQUIRED ABOUT IT. WE AGREED ON A PRICE, LOADED ON A ROLLBACK AND OFF IT WENT. THEN IN SUMMER OF 2011 WAS BROWSING 68 SHELBYS ON EBAY AND A RED 68 FASTBACK RESTOMOD WAS LISTED WITH A MARTI REPORT. REMEMBERING THE CAR SOLD NEW AT MARSHALL FORD IN MAYFIELD HEIGHTS, OHIO I CHECKED THE SHELBY VIN AND MY RECORDS AND IT TURNED OUT IT WAS #00801. THE LAST I WAS TOLD IT SOLD BUT DID NOT HAVE RECORD OF WHERE IT WENT.
Ok, I'll do it..... ahem.... "That will buff right out!"
SGB, sorry that happened to you.
I'm sure many of us have been treated that way before. Sad to say a verbal agreement doesn't mean
much to some these days. Similar thing happened to me just this past weekend.
Ive purchased some rough cars in my time but none this bad. Is there anyone on here that would pay $20K and put this car back together? This is easliy 1500-2000 hours worth or work.
I thought 20k was nuts.... almost 29 now...😞
Quote from: azdriver on May 04, 2018, 05:04:22 PM
I thought 20k was nuts.... almost 29 now...😞
This has got the smell of "rebody" all over it. I hope the 70 registry folks copy the photos for its file so the next owner knows the history.
looks like the car sold for nearly $29K :o
I had to chuckle at the "shill" comment in a previous post-hard to say for sure but given the condition and early bid history it's a real possibility and more to the point a real problem w/ EBay. Maybe an out of country sale-if again, a sale at all. Hard to say what the best and most practical/economic plan would be. A re-body wreaks of potential/future fraud and thus the # should be noted/tracked by the Registry. I would save every possible scrap, collect the missing limbs and make it a driver. At the very least, you would have saved what's left of the original car-blemishes and all. That aside, 29k is nuts.
Actually...
I think the car was fairly priced...
Where else are you going to find a original Shelby with it's original engine for under 30K in any condition?
I see numerous 69 GT 350's priced close to 100K ...(Priced)
It's not a bad starting point for someone with a limited budget and can do some of the work himself...
Just my .02
I think to many people fall into the trap that value - restoration costs equals current market value.
Shelbys do not follow that rule.
Seldomly do you see cars under $50,000, when you do they usually have some major issues, like being burnt or the numbers stripped off them.
So, now we need to refocus the thread to how much can be replaced before its not the original car? That should get things going.....
Quote from: Coralsnake on May 07, 2018, 06:37:27 PM
I think to many people fall into the trap that value - restoration costs equals current market value.
Shelbys do not follow that rule.
Seldomly do you see cars under $50,000, when you do they usually have some major issues, like being burnt or the numbers stripped off them.
So, now we need to refocus the thread to how much can be replaced before its not the original car? That should get things going.....
I'll take the bait :)
I live in an area where rust is common. Many times I see cars that have been restored and the owner thinks they have an original car but when you ask the owner has replaced
floors
rockers
torque boxes
trunk floor drop offs
tail light panel
outer wheel houses
quarter panels
doors
fenders
passenger engine bay apron (battery rust)
four common rust holes on aprons beside shock towers
I think to myself.......there is no way that car has proper structural integrity. There is so much engineering that goes into the manufacturing process with crumple zones in the metal....the amount of spot welds that would hold areas together, etc.
If you took all of the panels off the car that were replaced I don't know how a car can't be called a rebody. The content of replaced panels exceeds what is original.
One thing is for sure......I wouldn't want to be involved in an accident in one of these cars.
But when a car is a Shelby guys simply don't want to let go of the car. They will buy something affordable and attempt to ressurect the car on a budget. It could also be argued that it would be cheaper to restore a Shelby than a four door Maverick. You can buy a multitude of reproduction parts for a Shelby, Maverick parts are hard to find, new or used.
When does a car cease to exist?
Seller hit the lotto for sure...... Living in the Southwest, I have a hard time accepting that anyone would want a car that rusty. It is always much worse than it looks in pictures. Unless it is some super rare model I don't see the point. Just my opinion, most people don't seem to care too much for it anyway......
This has got the smell of "rebody" all over it. I hope the 70 registry folks copy the photos for its file so the next owner knows the history.
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Liska had pixs and info before current seller even bought the car - It is well documents with lots of pixs & info - Car was on jack-stands for a few decades and then taken off jackstands and laid to waist on the ground for a few decades
Would everybody be more content knowing that the car was parted out and scrapped as an alternative? My guess is that this crowd would rather see this car on the street again someday. Doesn't matter if it's a full rebody, or a Dynacorn hybrid, Or repaired from an OEM donor, as long as it is presented down the road as such, it's fine with me. I don't see enough of these cars out and about, so crusher is not an option in my opinion.
I think its safe to assume, some of those nsysayers have an agenda
Quote from: OldMil on May 08, 2018, 04:31:14 PM
Would everybody be more content knowing that the car was parted out and scrapped as an alternative? .......
Can't and would not speak for others but I for one would rather part out (using the original parts for other surviving cars) then scrapping. And no I would rather not see them around where they can and do get resold to others without full disclosure.
And yes that is what I've chosen to do with a few that I felt were more problem than they were worth or too far gone. Normally I don't end up getting cars in such conditions to make those choices in the first place. Just me :)
Quote from: J_Speegle on May 08, 2018, 08:34:04 PM
Quote from: OldMil on May 08, 2018, 04:31:14 PM
Would everybody be more content knowing that the car was parted out and scrapped as an alternative? .......
Can't and would not speak for others but I for one would rather part out (using the original parts for other surviving cars) then scrapping. And no I would rather not see them around where they can and do get resold to others without full disclosure.
And yes that is what I've chosen to do with a few that I felt were more problem than they were worth or too far gone. Normally I don't end up getting cars in such conditions to make those choices in the first place. Just me :)
+1
So if you'd walk behind someone's barn and there's a 65 Shelby parked near a 289 Cobra you'd part it out if they were in poor condition....?
I don't think so
My 02.
Quote from: capecodmustang.com on May 09, 2018, 01:54:56 PM
So if you'd walk behind someone's barn and there's a 65 Shelby parked near a 289 Cobra you'd part it out if they were in poor condition....?
I don't think so
My 02.
Okay, I'll bite :)... If you had a never restored 289 cobra and a 65 Shelby with impeccable history for sale and then right beside them there was a 289 Cobra and 65 Shelby with no history priced the same, which would you buy? I think I know ;) and not a single person on here would do otherwise.
The point IMO is, be careful, as this car and any basket case could wind up being re-bodied and we need to watch out for this and help each other or anyone wanting to purchase one of these amazing cars . Fakes are produced all the time and I bet there are more than a few cobra's and shelby's (just like any other high end car) that are only Vin's of their original self. I for one don't want to lay down my hard earned cash only to realize the car I purchased wasn't what I thought it was.
Then you say, thats why you pay an expert, to look at it before you buy. Okay what if the expert is wrong, trust me they can be and they walk away saying, man that was a great fake.
re body is to much work. why not just steal one and change the tags, quick flip, not your name on anything, the buy a legit car with the cash? JUST JOKING! the hulk is a pile. rebody, driver. phred
Quote from: papa scoops on May 09, 2018, 03:48:57 PM
re body is to much work. why not just steal one and change the tags, quick flip, not your name on anything, the buy a legit car with the cash? JUST JOKING! the hulk is a pile. rebody, driver. phred
Sounds like a great plan except for the prison time :o
Quote from: capecodmustang.com on May 09, 2018, 01:54:56 PM
So if you'd walk behind someone's barn and there's a 65 Shelby parked near a 289 Cobra you'd part it out if they were in poor condition....?
I don't think so
Was faced with about half that scenario recently (not going into any details on purpose) and my suggestion was a bit more creative than that but the car wasn't even a candidate for a decent parts car. And yes the proper registrar was notified of the situation
Now everyone don't contact me since I won't talk about the car, owner, location......... :)
As with all of these cars. No two cars are in the exact same condition or situation so we can only deal with possibilities at this point.
Didn't sell. It is back online.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Shelby-Cobra-GT350/292570600155?hash=item441e9112db:g:sd0AAOSwrU1bAHvp (https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Shelby-Cobra-GT350/292570600155?hash=item441e9112db:g:sd0AAOSwrU1bAHvp)
Add description:
****DUE TO MALICIOUS BIDDING ON THE PREVIOUS AUCTION, WE ARE OFFERING THE 1969 SHELBY AS A BUY IT NOW TO THE CONTINENTAL U.S. ONLY!!-A NON REFUNDABLE $500 DEPOSIT WILL BE REQUIRED THROUGH PAYPAL AND PICK UP/FULL PAYMENT WITHIN 7 DAYS OF PURCHASE-SELLING AS-IS!****
1969 SHELBY GT 350 FASTBACK IN SILVER JADE OVER BLACK CLARION KNIT/VINYL HI BACK BUCKET SEAT INTERIOR. DOCUMENTED IN THE SHELBY REGISTRY 1 OF 12 GT 350'S IN THIS PAINT/TRIM/ENGINE/TRANSMISSION COMBINATION.
CAR WAS ORDERED WITH THE OPTIONS INCLUDING:
- 4-SPEED CLOSE RATIO MANUAL TRANSMISSION
- 3:25 TRACTION LOCK REAR AXLE
- POWER FRONT DISC BRAKES
- SPORT DECK REAR SEAT
- POWER STEERING
- AM RADIO
-DELUXE SEAT BELTS/WARNING LIGHT
-TACHOMETER AND TRIP ODOMETER
ON FEBRUARY 20, 1969 THIS SHELBY WAS BUILT AT DEARBORN ASSEMBLY AND SENT TO A.O. SMITH IN IONIA, MICHIGAN FOR FINAL ASSEMBLY. FROM THERE IT WAS SHIPPED TO SOUTH WEST FORD SALES, INC. IN PARMA HEIGHTS, OHIO.
DOCUMENTS SHOW THERE WERE TWO PREVIOUS OWNERS FROM THE CLEVELAND AREA UNTIL BEING PURCHASED BY THE THIRD OWNER FROM A SMALL RURAL COMMUNITY IN NORTH CENTRAL OHIO ON SEPTEMBER 17, 1973.
SHORTLY AFTER TAKING OWNERSHIP, LESS THAN A MILE FROM HOME, THE SHELBY WAS INVOLVED IN A FRONT END COLLISION. BEING TOWED BACK TO THE FAMILY FARM, THE CAR WAS PUT TO REST IN A FIELD BESIDE THE BARN FOR A 45 YEAR SLUMBER.
TODAY THE CAR IS BEING OFFERED FOR SALE FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 1973 AND COMES WITH THE ORIGINAL NUMBERS MATCHING 351W 4V ENGINE INCLUDING BLOCK, HEADS, EXHAUST AND SHELBY ALUMINUM INTAKE MANIFOLD, COBRA VALVE COVERS, AIR CLEANER, NUMBERS MATCHING DATE CODED 7.35 X 14 SPACE SAVER SPARE AND MATCHING JACK.
NO TRANSMISSION, CARB OR DISTRIBUTOR.
ENGINE WAS REMOVED FROM CAR DECADES AGO AND STORED INSIDE. ENGINE TURNS OVER AND REMAINS INTACT! CAR HAS EXTENSIVE RUST AND FRONT END DAMAGE BUT IS AN ORIGINAL 68,076 MILE WELL DOCUMENTED SHELBY WITH A CLEAN TITLE IN HAND! SALE INCLUDES CAR, ENGINE AND PICTURED PARTS.
PICK UP ONLY! BUYER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PICK-UP AND SHIPPING!! CASH OR BANK CASHIERS CHECK ONLY!!!
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BE SURE TO REVIEW THE PHOTOS CAREFULLY AS THEY ARE PART OF THE DESCRIPTION.
Shill bidding..... He is probably going to keep this one for a while.
Quote from: silverton_ford on May 23, 2018, 12:59:03 AM
FROM THERE IT WAS SHIPPED TO SOUTH WEST FORD SALES, INC. IN PARMA HEIGHTS, OHIO.
Small world! I've spent lots of money at Southwest over the years. One of my Ford clubs started there in 1969 and is still called the Southwest Mustang & Ford Performance club.
See what just 4 years of Cleveland salt will do to a car! ;D
Quote from: Greg on May 23, 2018, 07:21:18 AM
Shill bidding..... He is probably going to keep this one for a while.
It's "Buy It Now" at $22,995
Personally, I dont understand the anomosity. I see it on both ends of the spectrum...the high end cars get the same treatment.
To accuse someone of shill bidding is irresponsible, unless you have some history with them.
I stopped commenting on prices, even though its very tempting. If its too high the seller will figure it out. If someone is willing to pay the stupid price, then so be it...
"REBODY"!
I do not agree with this term as being an accurate description of the supposed process in a restoration of this type of vehicle, but rather only attempting to add validity to the end result. ::)
If one has, lets say a Rolls Royce Phantom III, and it had been "re-bodied" (as opposed to being bodied) by say Sedanca or Murphy, post its' original production, although this may or may not change the value with in the eyes of the market, at least the description is accurate, as it has been "re-bodied". A different body has been fastened to the frame and drive train from what it was originally outfitted but generally the rest of the car is as produced by R.R. with original identification numbers intact. And this was not an uncommon occurrence.
In the more modern unit-construction Mustang - Shelby, what constitutes the proper application the the term "REBODY"? Taking a Mustang model vehicle, removing its' drive train, suspension, trim and perhaps even interior components installing substitutes from a found derelict vehicle of enhanced value, and finally swapping V.I.N. plates, tags and even re-stamping numbers, at this point a probable crime? :o
I'm O.K. with one taking the "good stuff" off the derelict for the purpose of restoration of a legitimate vehicle, perhaps even enhancing with non-original options, or for the purpose of building a "clone" and announced as such; but please, stop identifying these illegitimate "FAKES" as only a "rebody" as one is providing validity to the practice. AND THIS IS BULL $#1T! >:(
And that's my rant.............
Scott.
Quote from: Coralsnake on May 24, 2018, 09:18:54 AM
Personally, I dont understand the anomosity. I see it on both ends of the spectrum...the high end cars get the same treatment.
To accuse someone of shill bidding is irresponsible, unless you have some history with them.
I stopped commenting on prices, even though its very tempting. If its too high the seller will figure it out. If someone is willing to pay the stupid price, then so be it...
I agree. Take someone with a back yard pole barn body shop. Has the talent. Is an enthusiast. Has the time. Wants a Shelby. While some will say a guy like that paid stupid money well he had to out bid someone and he knows pretty much what his end cost would be and is OK with it. I'm sure he would make $$$ on the car when done.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on May 24, 2018, 02:33:42 PM
Quote from: Coralsnake on May 24, 2018, 09:18:54 AM
Personally, I dont understand the anomosity. I see it on both ends of the spectrum...the high end cars get the same treatment.
To accuse someone of shill bidding is irresponsible, unless you have some history with them.
I stopped commenting on prices, even though its very tempting. If its too high the seller will figure it out. If someone is willing to pay the stupid price, then so be it...
I agree. Take someone with a back yard pole barn body shop. Has the talent. Is an enthusiast. Has the time. Wants a Shelby. While some will say a guy like that paid stupid money well he had to out bid someone and he knows pretty much what his end cost would be and is OK with it. I'm sure he would make $$$ on the car when done.
What do you think it would cost a back yard enthusiast to bring this car to a super nice level?
Quote from: Greg on May 24, 2018, 08:17:52 PM
What do you think it would cost a back yard enthusiast to bring this car to a super nice level?
For parts you would have to decide on buying assemblyline, NOS, good used original or go the repro route. Big difference in cost.
gentlemen, we can rebuild it
we have the technology
we have the capability to make it better than it was.
this shelby will be that shelby.
better, stronger, faster.....
qoute from the six million dollar man, i mean car.....
Thank you Steve Austin
Haters gonna hate.
Quote from: Ldouble619 on May 25, 2018, 11:36:23 AM
Haters gonna hate.
Actually, that's: "Haters gonna Hate Hate Hate"...........