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Title: 69 shifter handle
Post by: kasearch@ix.netcom.com on November 15, 2021, 09:41:34 AM
Need some input please. I understand that there are reproductions A/T 69 shifter handles out there.  I have two options (pictures attached) and need to know if either is original, or which one you would use on a 69 500?  Thanks
Title: Re: 69 shifter handle
Post by: kasearch@ix.netcom.com on November 15, 2021, 09:42:13 AM
Need some input please. I understand that there are reproductions A/T 69 shifter handles out there.  I have two options (pictures attached) and need to know if either is original, or which one you would use on a 69 500?  Thanks
Title: Re: 69 shifter handle
Post by: shelbymann1970 on November 15, 2021, 10:47:21 AM
http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=9312.msg77317#msg77317

http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=15240.msg124646#msg124646
Title: Re: 69 shifter handle
Post by: Bob Gaines on November 15, 2021, 11:38:36 AM
Need some input please. I understand that there are reproductions A/T 69 shifter handles out there.  I have two options (pictures attached) and need to know if either is original, or which one you would use on a 69 500?  Thanks
The first pictured one is a repro or later service. The assemblyline versions have the wood cut out follow the contour of the snake more closely.
Title: Re: 69 shifter handle
Post by: Bob Gaines on January 17, 2022, 09:47:31 PM
I think this shifter knob is the 69-70 shelby 4-speed manual shifter knob.

Can anyone clarify?
Yes and that is what it looks like with all of the wood grain effect worn off.
Title: Re: 69 shifter handle
Post by: Bob Gaines on January 17, 2022, 10:41:07 PM
I think this shifter knob is the 69-70 shelby 4-speed manual shifter knob.

Can anyone clarify?
Yes and that is what it looks like with all of the wood grain effect worn off.
Lol, still not going to affect the functionality. Grab that knob and slam 2nd gear will feel like any other shift knob. ;)
Anyway, Thanks.
Your right works the same just looks nasty.
Title: 69 shifter handle
Post by: Bill Collins on January 18, 2022, 09:16:55 AM
It was also used on the '67 -'68 Cougar XR7. That is probably where Shelby Automotive sourced it.
Title: Re: 69 shifter handle
Post by: shelbymann1970 on January 18, 2022, 09:21:05 AM
It was also used on the '67 -'68 Cougar XR7. That is probably where Shelby Automotive sourced it.
It was installed  on  deluxe Cougars  in 1969.
Title: Re: 69 shifter handle
Post by: Krelboyne on January 18, 2022, 10:44:53 AM
There are actually two knobs used 1967-69 on Cougar XR-7's. They look the same, but the later version (mid / late 1968) has a groove around the barrel/fat part of the knob. Early versions do not have the groove at all. Very prone to wear, mint versions very seldom seen.
Title: Re: 69 shifter handle
Post by: Bob Gaines on January 18, 2022, 11:02:30 AM
I think this shifter knob is the 69-70 shelby 4-speed manual shifter knob.

Can anyone clarify?
Yes and that is what it looks like with all of the wood grain effect worn off.
Lol, still not going to affect the functionality. Grab that knob and slam 2nd gear will feel like any other shift knob. ;)
Anyway, Thanks.
Your right works the same just looks nasty.
Bob, you're relentless, that's for sure.  ;)
Thanks.I think? LOL
Title: Re: 69 shifter handle
Post by: shelbymann1970 on January 18, 2022, 12:04:55 PM
There are actually two knobs used 1967-69 on Cougar XR-7's. They look the same, but the later version (mid / late 1968) has a groove around the barrel/fat part of the knob. Early versions do not have the groove at all. Very prone to wear, mint versions very seldom seen.
Chris from Legendary motor car educated me on 68-69  4 speed shift knobs about 15 years ago. He had about 30 knobs(NOS?) from all iterations. He once showed me an early 68 Deluxe blue stripe knob with no ring around it. Then a ring(flat 3s) then into the 69 iterations(round 3s). Was it very early that the ring disappeared on the deluxe Cougar knob(assume the standard Cougars got the black knob like a Mustang?)?
Title: Re: 69 shifter handle
Post by: Krelboyne on January 18, 2022, 01:05:22 PM
Black knob on Standard model (non-XR7) Cougar with manual transmission. Faux woodgrain on the XR-7's with stick shift transmissions. They came 3 and 4 speed in the wood grain. The wood grain 4 speed version with the groove I think has a C8WY... part number.
Title: Re: 69 shifter handle
Post by: shelbymann1970 on January 18, 2022, 02:05:45 PM
67 shifter, 67 knob(early 68)
Title: Re: 69 shifter handle
Post by: Bob Gaines on January 18, 2022, 02:10:15 PM
Here's better photos. Cool vintage look.
Agree a cool look. So no one reading gets the wrong idea the 69 Mustang/Shelby shift lever does not have a reverse lock out cross bar . 65-67 Mustang /Shelby does .
Title: Re: 69 shifter handle
Post by: Bob Gaines on January 18, 2022, 08:37:23 PM
If all that has commented would read my Reply #4, I ask clarification for the knob,
Not the shifter.  ::)
Yes but you need to consider others reading who my be confused by posting a picture of a 67 shifter without giving it context as it relates to this 69 thread . No harm done but I thought it would be helpful to provide a explanation that's all. 
Title: Re: 69 shifter handle
Post by: shelbymann1970 on January 19, 2022, 09:39:56 AM
Here's better photos. Cool vintage look.
To be fair you might have started the topic asking to identify the shifter  knob. Which according to another poster would be a 67 to early 68 knob due to not having the ring around it. A common phrase for the shifter itself is "shifter Handle" as that is what I search ebay for and if you do one you will find shifter itself called a shifter handle. 1969 knobs have the ring/groove(repo below sold by SEMO)
Title: Re: 69 shifter handle
Post by: Bill Collins on January 19, 2022, 10:21:55 AM
Here's better photos. Cool vintage look.
Agree a cool look. So no one reading gets the wrong idea the 69 Mustang/Shelby shift lever does not have a reverse lock out cross bar . 65-67 Mustang /Shelby does .

I know this is slightly off topic, but just a caution to anyone looking for a '69 4 speed handle - the '69 three speed handle is very similar in appearance but as I recall, the attaching bolt spacing is different on the base so it will not work on a 4 speed controller.
Title: Re: 69 shifter handle
Post by: Special Ed on January 19, 2022, 10:26:11 AM
3 speed handle and knob are both smaller thread diameter.
Title: Re: 69 shifter handle
Post by: NukeGT on January 19, 2022, 05:33:19 PM
NOS 68 Cougar & 69 Cougar/Shelby 4spd shift knob I got way before the repros came. Looks darker with finer grain markings.

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Title: Re: 69 shifter handle
Post by: NukeGT on January 19, 2022, 05:38:30 PM
68 Cougar Deluxe 3Spd Shift knob since they were also mentioned but seldom seen. Earlier knob without the groove just a seam from mold.
Title: Re: 69 shifter handle
Post by: shelbymann1970 on January 21, 2022, 07:19:28 AM
Here's better photos. Cool vintage look.
To be fair you might have started the topic asking to identify the shifter  knob. Which according to another poster would be a 67 to early 68 knob due to not having the ring around it. A common phrase for the shifter itself is "shifter Handle" as that is what I search ebay for and if you do one you will find shifter itself called a shifter handle. 1969 knobs have the ring/groove(repo below sold by SEMO)
Read replies #4 and #18.....#4 is where I started.
+1. My mistake. Sorry.
Title: Re: 69 shifter handle
Post by: Tired Sheep on January 29, 2022, 09:58:03 AM
(http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16942.0;attach=78828;image)

This is what a knob with the grain completely worn off looks like. It really has very little value
Title: Re: 69 shifter handle
Post by: shelbymann1970 on January 29, 2022, 10:15:05 AM
(http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16942.0;attach=78828;image)

This is what a knob with the grain completely worn off looks like. It really has very little value
They can be restored. At one time Ed was getting Cougar knobs restored. I got one I want restored but also have an NOS one for my car.
Title: Re: 69 shifter handle
Post by: Tired Sheep on January 29, 2022, 11:07:25 AM
This is an open concours forum, not a critique of your for sale part and YOU ASKED !

You can try to sell a $30 knob for $500 all day, no one cares. You only embarrassed yourself. People might be interested in what’s correct in the concours section.

If you don’t like the reality feedback, post in the lounge with your friends. Why didn’t you attack Bob Gaines when he said the same thing? See reply 5

Regarding restoration, sure you can do it. Tell me how many cores you want at $500 each and I will send you a box full.