What is the scoop?
This is one car that I myself and other 67 guys posted on.
Dennis Collins>> cb jeep, bought it. youtube video.
They sellers sure talked a lot
The trans number shown, has value to the Shelby it came from.
Seems the same basic story was aired, seems the sellers blow the club off?
Looks like they bought a lot of parts to make the story better>
John
Link to the video: https://youtu.be/aIj4-HGI6Zk (https://youtu.be/aIj4-HGI6Zk)
At one point this car was on the forum. Either the old forum or this new one, I don't remember. - Found it: http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=6303.0 (http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=6303.0)
Cool car
Maybe even a Shelby, but at best it's half a Shelby now
Lost me at "Shelby took out the engines and transmissions and didn't really care what care what cars they went in"
Stop trying so hard to justify what you found and let the car speak for itself
after over 45 years of owning Shelbys, glad to learn that Shelby took the transmissions out of 67's at his place.
Never to late to learn >> huh ?
#1444, I think that's what they said.
Filling in a blank spot of a unknown car ?
What say the experts?
If it has early car features why is it a later number?
I just listened to the "infomercial" as it seemed. Without seeing it for myself ,I will grant the "back half" seems to be real. Good forensics led them to 1444 . My question is Does the back half constitute the car? IF they had a title in the name of the PO that we give it credence, I am no stranger to building tube chassis racecars but when I used a portion of a street car as the main body I kept the vin tag and one of the serial number pieces with it simply to prove it's origin.
If the"front end" is replaced and it has the correct numbers on it , it's FELONY time!!!!!! Even CS himself got into trouble that way.
Quote from: Harris Speedster on January 07, 2022, 03:17:55 PM
after over 45 years of owning Shelbys, glad to learn that Shelby took the transmissions out of 67's at his place.
Huh ???
SA didn't pull transmissions on typical production cars during the process of converting them
Quote from: Harris Speedster on January 07, 2022, 03:17:55 PM
after over 45 years of owning Shelbys, glad to learn that Shelby took the transmissions out of 67's at his place.
Never to late to learn >> huh ?
#1444, I think that's what they said.
Filling in a blank spot of a unknown car ?
What say the experts?
I remember the thread. It may be a rear clip of a original Shelby but extremely doubtful it was modified by SA or Ford like they are trying to make a case for. It seems like that if you spout off a bunch of misinformation concerning parts used in different phases of 67 Shelby production along with flawed logic and and say it with matter of fact confidence that the uninformed will believe it. The YouTube video was a entertaining view. I wish whoever ends up with the car the best.
I wonder how the k code vin on the trans compares to the car found? If it was a Shelby?
They did seem to imply it was a factory build, but never really came out and said it
+1 No reason to pull either trans or engine. Lot's of "justification" for "gathered" parts shown.
Another fine example of amateurs believing they can be professionals 😉
Clipped Shelby at best.Interesting how they tried to "backfill" a history to fit their narrative."I've talked to old timers that saw it run"....sure...Cool car,I like it,but I hope they got it for a reasonable(non Shelby)price.unlikely...
I've seen it asked about in a number of places over the years to try and prove and or make its case. Its possible it was a Shelby but its just as possible that someone added enough parts to fit a story to convince people a regular mustang was a Shelby. I never got the vibe in past posts but in this video it just seemed like they were trying to create a narrative around the car but things didn't seem to line up with the timeline presented. Also, when you start to freshen up a car like they have and start replacing parts you lose the story the take-off parts may have told (versus the replacements you added to maybe or maybe not tell a different story). Who knows, maybe someone will step forward and have original paperwork, tags and pictures and add a fairy tail ending to the story. Regardless of what it is today it does have a Bad-A.. look and the clip on side scoops were cool.
As Bob Gaines sez, that car was here before, I saved 4 images to my files, here's two.
Mike
Do love the Hilborns :D
Lets not take anything away from the car, it's definitely a neat piece.
Unfortunately, like many before, owners like to pick and choose their facts to mold their stories and sprinkle in down right inaccuracies
More experienced people who notice these inconsistencies are just nay sayers or snobs.
By now, Dennis must have several warehouses of project cars. His show is entertaining if nothing else.
Wow,
The car sure has changed in the past few years. Here, let's look in the Registry and pick a number.
Total BS.
Dave
Numbers matter....
Very cool, but I agree this was a pre sale ad. Cool old race car and I believe it was a shelby, but using a bunch of old speed parts (that they admit they added) and B.S. about "Shelby removing transmissions" etc is just to create hype.
Typical scripted reality TV. Opening scene they tell you they may have found and by the end of the show with a lot of BS and still no proof they tell you it's now a proven fact.
Some simple debunking questions
Why would SA build it? The handwriting was on the wall CS was out of the GT350/500 business that was moving east under Ford control. And, in typical Ford fashion they were polishing up the rough and tumble image by making the GT350/500s into a plush personal luxury pony car.
Why would Ford build it? They were having great success with the Mustang it wouldn't make any sense to confuse the issue with a Mustang and a GT350
Did SA build it? SA didn't even build their own drag 65 GT350s. That task was contracted out to Les Richey and Performance Associates in Glendora CA.
Did Ford build it? They would have farmed the work out to Kar Kraft or Holman and Moody and the build quality of this car does not reflect their work.
SA in this time period was under orders from Ford to concentrate on the Ford GTs and winning LeMans. They had even taken the Coupes from his control in 1965. The 66 TransAm Mustang was a fluke that CS was called on at the last minute to prep a car quick and help Ford win the new TA series championship at the last race. That led him to start fielding Ford Mustang race cars not GT350/500 ones.
NHRA vs IHRA - NHRA was the show - big names, big crowds, big money and TV - IHRA was the local boys having some weekend fun on a small budget - like using the standard 67 main hoop as the basis of your roll bar.
I offer the back half is indeed real but unprovable (maybe date codes on the sheet metal can narrow production range). A serial number on a trans is zero proof since we've all seen many VIN marked engine and transmissions and swap meets everywhere. It was either a total with a destroyed front clip or stolen - another popular method to get cheap racecar parts. There was a running joke in the SoCal SCCA pits when one Vette racer "Andy" crashed his car he'd just go steal another and swap the parts.
Where are all the "early" 1967 guys?
They said early deck-lid and wiring for running lights ( which are not there )
It sounds like a four point roll bar is described?
I don't think those features would be on a February built car would they?
🤔
Quote from: Coralsnake on January 08, 2022, 08:02:49 PM
Where are all the "early" 1967 guys?
They said early deck-lid and wiring for running lights ( which are not there )
It sounds like a four point roll bar is described?
I don't think those features would be on a February built car would they?
🤔
If you read my post "if you spout off a bunch of misinformation concerning parts used in different phases of 67 Shelby production along with flawed logic and and say it with matter of fact confidence that the uninformed will believe it. " what you mention is what I was refering to. A little knowledge can be dangerous in the case of the script writer.
After reading the comments on YouTube, there are a good number of uninformed
Thank you Mr Gaines. I was getting worried 😧
They picked a number out of the Registry in order to sell it. The number they picked has a San Jose date of 3/15/67 and a Shelby completion date of 4/5/67. The characteristics of the rear clip do not match these dates. It was definitely the wrong number.. Unfortunately the buyer did not check with the 67 Registrar. All is not lost if he can find racing history for it. We are hopeful he is successful at finding that history.
Dave
I watch Collins videos, but I was scratching my head after this one.
"I have been around these my whole life"
"Date codes on wiring harnesses"
"Lights in scoops of export cars"
🤔
Here's one for you Dennis, I passed on buying it because it has no numbers. This one does have an extensive race history. Not a Shelby, but equally as cool.
http://www.thecoralsnake.com/Boggus
Quote from: GT350DAVE on January 08, 2022, 09:36:16 PMUnfortunately the buyer did not check with the 67 Registrar.
What could he tell them without a "real" number?
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on January 08, 2022, 11:30:42 PM
What could he tell them without a "real" number?
Features, findings, dates from panels, modifications (non-drag differences from a regular Mustang) made to the body and other details in hopes that Dave could help narrow down the possibilities or to see if the registry had records of a similar or same drag car that someone had taken pictures of or share info on in the past.
Been involved with a fair share of similar claims and discoveries
Time to also dig or search out all the local Drag News or publications from the period in hopes that someone took a picture of such a car or a 67 Shelby posted in the class winners for any drag strip in the area
I also have done this type of research. It is very time consuming. It will make there basic education look like an advanced college course in physics.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
It is up to the current owner to prove that the remains of this particular Mustang are the ones of a specific Shelby and that they just don't resemble one.
Talk is cheap. Put up or shut up.
It is his problem and it is going to be difficult on his part if not impossible, but the answer for us is really rather simple.
For a future buyer it would be well advised to have the 67 Registrar verify anything.
It may be the Registry doesn't know enough but no one knows more. Period. End of story. ;)
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on January 08, 2022, 11:30:42 PM
Quote from: GT350DAVE on January 08, 2022, 09:36:16 PMUnfortunately the buyer did not check with the 67 Registrar.
What could he tell them without a "real" number?
A lot. For one thing an honest assessment of the car when it was first found, including photographs. It has changed significantly since then. Content of discussions with previous owners, claims and research done on the car.
So after viewing the video production and reading all the comments, the only vin number is on a transmission?
If that is so, we can summarize this find in one sentence :
There is truly no way to authenticate this car.
Once it was clipped any chance of it being DEFINITIVELY authenticated as a specific car went out the window.You could "narrow it down",but.....
Quote from: FL SAAC on January 09, 2022, 09:53:08 AM
So after viewing the video production and reading all the comments, the only vin number is on a transmission?
If that is so, we can summarize this find in one sentence :
There is truly no way to authenticate this car.
+1
Not only that but presuming someone wanted to "restore it", the way that the laws are currently written, even if you knew the complete serial number, unless you are a car manufacturer, you are prohibited from applying the number.
I would think that this car was "clipped" in the front and that no one would do this to a good solid car to begin with?
Who said that the transmission goes with this car originally?
Horsepower+biasply tires=many "clipped"cars back in the day ;)
Back in 2019 when we first talked about the car - http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=6303.0 (http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=6303.0)
Looking at the old post I was struck by the amount rust and heavily pitted parts. It's a 67 and converted only 1-2 years later that is too much rust. A parts receipt from 1969 and the car goes into storage in 70 - time line isn't adding up.
Quote from: silverton_ford on January 10, 2022, 11:19:29 AM
Back in 2019 when we first talked about the car - http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=6303.0 (http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=6303.0)
Wasn't this the first line of the spiel to sell Air Cobras too? "Unfortunately the previous owner was a hoarder of sorts and had passed away by the time I found the car so the history is non-existent at this point."
In post 88 of the old thread the OP admits it's not the right VIN.
Update:
I WAS able to locate a
VIN on the transmission. While it was in fact a 1967 Shelby GT350 transmission, unfortunately it
wasn't from this car....Bummer. This particular car is an early build from all indicators, but the transmission is from a much later build date and from a different color car....
Read OP's own words in message 88 - http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=6303.75
Cool car & video no matter the outcome thanks for posting
What I find shocking is how they transformed it with bogus aging of added parts and spotting in paint. Good job but kind of crooked the way they presented it in the video, if the 2019 thread did not exist you would think barn find rather then what it really is.
Can ANYONE tell me what a FF?X class is in NHRA/IHRA. Small block, tube chassis, extreme engine set back Small block only? All I can find is video game crap. Interested if that was/is a real class in which this car ran?
Quote from: 427heaven on January 11, 2022, 08:42:26 PM
Can ANYONE tell me what a FF?X class is in NHRA/IHRA. Small block, tube chassis, extreme engine set back Small block only? All I can find is video game crap. Interested if that was/is a real class in which this car ran?
Don't have a rule book from the period any but don't believe there was a national class with that identification. Think Randy made reference to that also in a post on another site on the subject
Thanks Jeff- Never heard of that designation before, but there are things I have not heard of. A class racer would not have electrical tape number designation on the windshield usually, but they were focused on that class designation. Just want to know why the focus on FF/X. Guessing each one of the 7-8 friends sitting around bought parts and pieces off ebay to add to the cars history, like the date coded radiator. I didnt just fall off the turnip truck yesterday, but maybe like 45 years ago when my racing began. Real race cars didnt need radiators to run a few seconds on the strip. Engine blocks are filled with rock block or similar for these race applications. If someone typically was going to build a tube chassis car with a flip nose the small block engine was typically left at home under the work bench. Someone will know more of its history.
427Heaven,
You are correct , the class NEVER existed in NHRA . The F/X class stopped at C F/X where the smaller engine , heavier cars were. SEVERAL problems with the way the car is presented and they are all associated by "someone" guessing . As I mentioned on the first go around , these are the issues that keep this from being a "period" F/X car. Fuel injection, straight axles , fiberglass "tilt" front ends and no front brakes were ONLY allowed in "A" F/X , NOT the lower classes. This car would have HAD to be in a GAS class as it was modified too much even for ''modified production" . Likely D/Gas because of the cubic inches.
One benefit of being old is that you were "there" to experience this stuff instead of "read about it"
Randy
Thanks Randy- Didnt think so... Was waiting for you to chime in!
Quote from: gt350hr on January 12, 2022, 10:35:07 AM
427Heaven,
You are correct , the class NEVER existed in NHRA . The F/X class stopped at C F/X where the smaller engine , heavier cars were. SEVERAL problems with the way the car is presented and they are all associated by "someone" guessing . As I mentioned on the first go around , these are the issues that keep this from being a "period" F/X car. Fuel injection, straight axles , fiberglass "tilt" front ends and no front brakes were ONLY allowed in "A" F/X , NOT the lower classes. This car would have HAD to be in a GAS class as it was modified too much even for ''modified production" . Likely D/Gas because of the cubic inches.
One benefit of being old is that you were "there" to experience this stuff instead of "read about it"
Randy
Randy, once again you are an awesome source of drag racing knowledge! Age & experience has its benefits.
My old car pal, actor Robert Stack, once told me: "There's no advantage to being old, except you know a lot of stuff."
Ill say it and say it again, you da man !
Quote from: gt350hr on January 12, 2022, 10:35:07 AM
427Heaven,
You are correct , the class NEVER existed in NHRA . The F/X class stopped at C F/X where the smaller engine , heavier cars were. SEVERAL problems with the way the car is presented and they are all associated by "someone" guessing . As I mentioned on the first go around , these are the issues that keep this from being a "period" F/X car. Fuel injection, straight axles , fiberglass "tilt" front ends and no front brakes were ONLY allowed in "A" F/X , NOT the lower classes. This car would have HAD to be in a GAS class as it was modified too much even for ''modified production" . Likely D/Gas because of the cubic inches.
One benefit of being old is that you were "there" to experience this stuff instead of "read about it"
Randy
Naw I'm just an old man that doesn't accept "creative history" or assumptions when I know better.
The more the knowledgeable people look at this the less likely it becomes.
The more the less knowledgeable people look it the more plausible it becomes.
And then there seems to be the endless supply of "automotive journalists"
Where did he get that production information?
We really do live in clown world
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/mysterious-1967-shelby-mustang-gt350-surfaces-in-chicago-it-s-been-sitting-for-53-years-178823.html
More lies than a politician
But this GT350 that was recently uncovered in Chicago might just be the rarest of them all. Simply because it is unique. This Shelby has been sitting in storage since 1969 and, because it doesn't have a VIN, no one has been able to identify it so far. Not confirmed as a GTanything.
The info that's been uncovered so far suggests that this modified muscle car is a 1967 Shelby GT350. There's no VIN to confirm it, but the big amount of original parts that are still on the car hint that it was built by Shelby in 1967. Should read parts that have now been added to the car. Original photos show many missing parts that have now mysteriously appeared
But here's the interesting bit. This GT350 was converted into a drag racer. And not just any run-of-the-mill, late 1960s dragster, but some sort of experimental vehicle with the engine pushed farther back than usual. Farther than the regulations allowed at the time, which might explain why it was retired into storage in 1969. "Experimental" did they have a setback rule? The set back looks pretty normal for the 60s. Retired at 2 years old - with all that rust?
Yup. this car was never completely finished and never raced. But it was close to hitting the quarter-mile with loads of high-end racing parts and an authentic Shelby roll bar. Was it an experimental drag car put together by Carroll himself? If never ran why is a number on it? A new hook for the fish to bite on - I'm certain in true Gas Monkey garage verbage this will be called a Shelby race car from here on as is Rawlings "Shelby" convertible he built.
Not very likely, but that's something Dennis Collins, who recently purchased the GT350, is looking to find out. But the guys who sold it to him suspect that this Shelby might be the GT350 no. 1444, a car that's been missing since 1967, shortly after it was produced. They KNOW it's not 1444 and have admitted to that fact in their postings on this forum. The sheetmetal dates and trans VIN don't agree - I also suspect the color of 1444 was not white. They also called the past owner a hoarder who had lots of parts from many cars. We know the trans was never installed in this shell in 67 why should we think the roll bar is anything more than a loose part that was lying around - I bought one for $20 and stuck in a 65 Fastback I built.
All valid points.
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on January 12, 2022, 06:25:01 PM
More lies than a politician
But this GT350 that was recently uncovered in Chicago might just be the rarest of them all. Simply because it is unique. This Shelby has been sitting in storage since 1969 and, because it doesn't have a VIN, no one has been able to identify it so far. Not confirmed as a GTanything.
The info that's been uncovered so far suggests that this modified muscle car is a 1967 Shelby GT350. There's no VIN to confirm it, but the big amount of original parts that are still on the car hint that it was built by Shelby in 1967. Should read parts that have now been added to the car. Original photos show many missing parts that have now mysteriously appeared
But here's the interesting bit. This GT350 was converted into a drag racer. And not just any run-of-the-mill, late 1960s dragster, but some sort of experimental vehicle with the engine pushed farther back than usual. Farther than the regulations allowed at the time, which might explain why it was retired into storage in 1969. "Experimental" did they have a setback rule? The set back looks pretty normal for the 60s. Retired at 2 years old - with all that rust?
Yup. this car was never completely finished and never raced. But it was close to hitting the quarter-mile with loads of high-end racing parts and an authentic Shelby roll bar. Was it an experimental drag car put together by Carroll himself? If never ran why is a number on it? A new hook for the fish to bite on - I'm certain in true Gas Monkey garage verbage this will be called a Shelby race car from here on as is Rawlings "Shelby" convertible he built.
Not very likely, but that's something Dennis Collins, who recently purchased the GT350, is looking to find out. But the guys who sold it to him suspect that this Shelby might be the GT350 no. 1444, a car that's been missing since 1967, shortly after it was produced. They KNOW it's not 1444 and have admitted to that fact in their postings on this forum. The sheetmetal dates and trans VIN don't agree - I also suspect the color of 1444 was not white. They also called the past owner a hoarder who had lots of parts from many cars. We know the trans was never installed in this shell in 67 why should we think the roll bar is anything more than a loose part that was lying around - I bought one for $20 and stuck in a 65 Fastback I built.
The level of detective work needed on these cars can be aggravating, but it can also be fun in a way. Great summation using inductive reasoning.
He's got a nice, customized Mustang there.
Quote from: roddster on January 12, 2022, 07:29:02 PM
He's got a nice, customized Mustang there.
. Half of one.... ;)
It's 18 degrees here so I'm looking for stuff to do inside. What's your excuse?
Quote from: Coralsnake on January 12, 2022, 06:04:08 PM
And then there seems to be the endless supply of "automotive journalists"
All it takes is a phone camera, a goofy expression, the demeanor of a three-year-old, and there's today's typical "car expert/journalist."
"Never completely finished and never raced" That is some valuable history there. All this to try and increase the value of this modified wreck.
Mr R
Like we previously stated:
So after viewing the video production and reading all the comments, the only vin number is on a transmission?
If that is so, we can summarize this find in one sentence :
There is truly no way to authenticate this car.
Quote from: gt350hr on January 13, 2022, 10:38:53 AM
"Never completely finished and never raced" That is some valuable history there. All this to try and increase the value of this modified wreck.
100% Randy.
Quote from: FL SAAC on January 13, 2022, 10:41:31 AM
Like we previously stated:
So after viewing the video production and reading all the comments, the only vin number is on a transmission?
If that is so, we can summarize this find in one sentence :
There is truly no way to authenticate this car.
Only the trans is verifiable - and he indicates in his earlier posts that the 67 Registrar has told him it's out of a later built car than this shell and that the car it is from was not white.
So it's got a genuine Ford Q code vin on the tranny,but it's not the right vin for the car they are claiming this is?So presumingly the ONLY vin on the entire car isn't for THIS car?!?! :oMy head hurts....
No it's a K code , Q is a 500 trans.
Right,forgot it was a small block...
Being that this society has gotten soooo progressive, maybe this car identifies as a shelby when it's certainly not
Food for thought
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on January 13, 2022, 01:12:55 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC on January 13, 2022, 10:41:31 AM
Like we previously stated:
So after viewing the video production and reading all the comments, the only vin number is on a transmission?
If that is so, we can summarize this find in one sentence :
There is truly no way to authenticate this car.
Only the trans is verifiable - and he indicates in his earlier posts that the 67 Registrar has told him it's out of a later built car than this shell and that the car it is from was not white.
I often wonder why old men want to argue and fight over things they love? Possibly social seclusion, senility, lack of testosterone, and a host of other reasons. Its a great beginning of a Hot Street car or race car ,thats all. Everything else is the FULL PINNOCHIO a real whopper... the oldies would say! :-[
It's all about the money.
Quote from: gt350hr on January 14, 2022, 10:28:07 AM
It's all about the money.
And in 2-3 years when this thread is a distant memory that car will cross the block as 1444 and all these "maybe and coulda" comments will be listed in the description as facts. It only takes 2 suckers to accept them as facts and then argue the value out with their wallets.
My group refers now to that car, as the PHONY PONY... I hope some solid info shows up to confirm things, but NOTHING seems to fit.
Especially after the front end is fixed LOL
Well, He's getting Traction........
https://www.yahoo.com/autos/man-solved-mystery-missing-1444-223000574.html
Funniest line in the whole article - the only PROVEN part is the trans. Green side vents point more to being pieced together from the hoarders parts pile than rolling out of Shelby American
Every part of this car can trace roots back to Shelby, right down to little details such as the side vents that came off of a green GT350 and other small body panels.
There is some truth in the end - but why was 1444 "famous"? And why did the guy he bought it from already debunk that it was 1444? # on trans was not from 1444. I wonder if 1444 was green? Maybe then the scoops and trans are from the same car.
It is worth pointing out that a lot of this is simply speculation, and the guys don't have a bulletproof way of proving that the car is what they think it is, but one significant guess might shock you. It is believed that this is the famous #1444 car that went missing in 1967, which would make it one of the coolest finds ever to be discovered.
Quote from: tesgt350 on January 14, 2022, 10:33:03 PM
Well, He's getting Traction........
https://www.yahoo.com/autos/man-solved-mystery-missing-1444-223000574.html
When will it end ::)
Love this bit - must be an expert
"Under the car, you won't find very much rubber, so it is doubtful that this car ran down the drag strip,
but we do know that it was featured in the IHRA(International Hot Rod Association). On the windshield, you'll find a sticker that classifies the car as an FF/X racer, which helps trace the car back to its roots in motorsport. Speaking of the windshield, this is one piece of the car that we can say is not stock as the Lexan glass that initially came in the car was broken clean in half for one reason or another. This clear window contrasted the blue back window and made for a
relaxed aesthetic."
Must have missed the IRHA documents and not sure what "featured" means in the context of 60's racing if it never ran. Maybe I missed something in print on one of the other dozen writers who have grabbed on to the story on the web
RELAXING AESTHETIC!! Hope the the writer was trying to be witty or just silly. Know that when my family and friends built drag cars "relaxing" and "aesthetics" were very important :o Yea right!
Quote from: J_Speegle on January 14, 2022, 11:05:18 PM
"Under the car, you won't find very much rubber, so it is doubtful that this car ran down the drag strip, but we do know that it was featured in the IHRA(International Hot Rod Association). On the windshield, you'll find a sticker that classifies the car as an FF/X racer, which helps trace the car back to its roots in motorsport. Speaking of the windshield, this is one piece of the car that we can say is not stock as the Lexan glass that initially came in the car was broken clean in half for one reason or another. This clear window contrasted the blue back window and made for a relaxed aesthetic."
The owner said it NEVER raced due to rules changes - built 69 stored in 70. Proof "it's roots in motorsports" are just some tape numbers added to a recently installed windshield.
I notice now they have attributed it to a builder because it looks like something he'd build. I saw a lot of guys duplicate what they saw on winning cars but couldn't afford the pro shop to get it done.
Hotrod Hoarder take on this car.
https://youtu.be/lT6sL_d8S20
Looking at the previous owners statement # 101 from 2019, he purchased the decklid, hoses, scoops, etc. There is the clue... that SHELBY parts were added by him. I dont see any pop rivet holes in the side scoop location, should of had them from factory. No reason to put hood pins in side scoops.. No reason to access this area. He states the rear end has the 67 Shelby rearend with the plug? All 67 s have the plug. Did 350s get the spec third member?
Quote from: 427heaven on January 15, 2022, 11:46:51 AM
Looking at the previous owners statement # 101 from 2019, he purchased the decklid, hoses, scoops, etc. There is the clue... that SHELBY parts were added by him. I dont see any pop rivet holes in the side scoop location, should of had them from factory. No reason to put hood pins in side scoops.. No reason to access this area. He states the rear end has the 67 Shelby rearend with the plug? All 67 s have the plug. Did 350s get the spec third member?
67 lower side scoops were not put on with pop rivets that was 66. The plug in the 9 inch housing was a early later 67 production transitional thing . Your correct the plug is not Shelby unique and was on all Mustang nine inch housings of the time frame.The plug went away sometime in may/june 67 plus or minus time frame according to factory documents. Not to say it is a absolute but the 67 GT350 did not typically get a spec case .
i love fords and shelby's, always have. i saw the youtube video(dont care to comment on that) but it did get me to wondering is #1444 different then the other shelbys? why is everyone looking for it? thanks for indulging an old man's curiosity.
Quote from: svt on January 15, 2022, 03:53:25 PM
i love fords and shelby's, always have. i saw the youtube video(dont care to comment on that) but it did get me to wondering is #1444 different then the other shelbys? why is everyone looking for it? thanks for indulging an old man's curiosity.
When trying to create history - pick a car that has been missing a loooong time. 1444 has been a no show since 67 so there is zero history known, good or bad. Less chance of it showing up. A major problem with this car it seems that 1444 was not white and it was built far after the date codes on the sheet metal of this car.
Quote from: svt on January 15, 2022, 03:53:25 PM
i love fords and shelby's, always have. i saw the youtube video(dont care to comment on that) but it did get me to wondering is #1444 different then the other shelbys? why is everyone looking for it? thanks for indulging an old man's curiosity.
No one is particularly looking for it . There is nothing out of the ordinary about that numbered Shelby however in the registry 1444 is listed as "owner and present location unknown" . That makes it convenient for those who want to make up a story to use it as a "eureka" we found it moment . Many numb nuts out there think they are the first ones to think of that angle . ::) This is not the first time a car with a Shelby VIN listed that way turns up as "found" and most likely not be the last. The valuable work of the SAAC 67 Registrar in this case and astute forum members sharing details have disproved many a sellers story. No good deed goes unpunished because many times some of those same people are labeled mean, jealous, nosey or picky for pointing out the BS .
My new 1967 Registry says that it was white?
Quote from: Coralsnake on January 15, 2022, 04:24:31 PM
My new 1967 Registry says that it was white?
In the earlier discussion the owner related the VIN on the trans was checked with the Registrar and found not to have been from a white car and that the registrar would not share additional information about the car or SA VIN beyond that it was produced later than the sheet metal dates of the mystery car.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 15, 2022, 04:12:25 PM
Quote from: svt on January 15, 2022, 03:53:25 PM
i love fords and shelby's, always have. i saw the youtube video(dont care to comment on that) but it did get me to wondering is #1444 different then the other shelbys? why is everyone looking for it? thanks for indulging an old man's curiosity.
No one is particularly looking for it . There is nothing out of the ordinary about that numbered Shelby however in the registry 1444 is listed as "owner and present location unknown" . That makes it convenient for those who want to make up a story to use it as a "eureka" we found it moment . Many numb nuts out there think they are the first ones to think of that angle . ::) This is not the first time a car with a Shelby VIN listed that way turns up as "found" and most likely not be the last. The valuable work of the SAAC 67 Registrar in this case and astute forum members sharing details have disproved many a sellers story. No good deed goes unpunished because many times some of those same people are labeled mean, jealous, nosey or picky for pointing out the BS .
Some of what Bob said made me laugh out loud. Thank you.
And of course,..thnx to Dave Mathews and all the other knowledgeable sleuths!
Debunked
A different YouTuber has a sensible discussion on this car from general drag racing knowledge perspective.
https://youtu.be/lT6sL_d8S20
Read reply #42 on page three , it reads like the video you linked above. The major difference is I was THERE in the day and know what was legal and not legal back then. I am also well versed in AHRA as I ran one of my Shelbys in AHRA.
Very diplomatic, but seems very honest fellow. No vin, no tags, just a mustang. Keeps mentioning 67 car and that's a good assumption, not Shelby but mustang type car.
Shows picture of car in 2019 (black) and how it transform itself to the current image (white)
This takes you to another step beyond bamboozlement
Quote from: NukeGT on January 18, 2022, 01:38:36 PM
A different YouTuber has a sensible discussion on this car from general drag racing knowledge perspective.
https://youtu.be/lT6sL_d8S20
BTW that front wheel was from '70 IIRC , not '69. Spindle mount American magnesium.
Have always loved shelby's. There is no better car than this beauty. Tbh, I've been dreaming of buying it since I was a kid. I hope my dream is about to come true soon. My friend from JDMbuysell (https://www.jdmbuysell.com/jdm-importing-tips/how-to-import-a-car-from-japan/) has found a reliable dealer who's gonna sell me that beauty. I can hardly wait for the day I'll take a ride. Btw, do any of you own a shelby? How do you like it? I'd be really grateful if you shared some pics with us. I'm curious to see what you've got. So, waiting for your replies, folks. Best wishes!
Good luck! Hopefully you get it for half price ;D
Quote from: Coralsnake on September 13, 2022, 07:45:13 PM
Good luck! Hopefully you get it for half price ;D
How much is half of nothing worth?
Quote from: 427hunter on September 13, 2022, 09:51:55 PM
Quote from: Coralsnake on September 13, 2022, 07:45:13 PM
Good luck! Hopefully you get it for half price ;D
How much is half of nothing worth?
Elementary my dear Watson:
"The Zero Property of Division states that the quotient of zero divided by any number is zero"