Hello all,
hope you can and want to help me a little bit.
I am looking for time correct Pics of the "Super Daytona Coupe"
i have found a few on my own search but i am not sure, when the Shoot was,
for sure the Car stands on LAX
Above all, I'm looking for a larger or better resolution of this photo
(https://abload.de/img/p1110567hgjm6.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1110567hgjm6.jpg)
other Pics i have
(https://abload.de/img/p1110154btki0.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1110154btki0.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/53515d9ad16ee5954_67ojf4.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=53515d9ad16ee5954_67ojf4.jpg)
This Pic says "JUNE 65" in the title
(https://abload.de/img/cox-shop-talk-type65-10j47.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=cox-shop-talk-type65-10j47.jpg)
not sure if this pic is time correct, what do you think ?
(https://abload.de/img/20180615_daytona_cobybjvt.jpeg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20180615_daytona_cobybjvt.jpeg)
Thanks for all
Greets from Germany
Stephan
I remember that car when George Stauffer owned it.
Pictures should only be from 3 places. AC cars where the chassis was built Radford who built the body and Shelby's LAX facility where after the drivetrain was installed it languished unfinished (sidelined by the GT40 program) until it was sold when SA was liquidated in late 1967. It was gone before the move to Torrance in Nov 67. It was finally finished sometime in the early 80s.
If it ever did any testing those pics would be Willow Springs or Riverside both of which are easy to tell.
In case you haven't seen it, there is a short chapter in Mike Shoen's "The Cobra-Ferrari Wars" on the Super Coupe. It has 3 photos, including the last one in your first post, and a blueprint.
I noticed in the picture of Pete Brock discussing the wheel/tire combination with the two guys, it appears a spare tire may be rolling straight for the front fender and headlight of the Cobra parked behind the Coupe.
Sorry not a photograph ..... a blueprint drawing or sketch for your reference.
Rick (aka Engineer)
What ever happened to the Car?
Quote from: tesgt350 on April 19, 2022, 09:24:16 AM
What ever happened to the Car?
http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=12686.msg106135#msg106135 (http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=12686.msg106135#msg106135)
Quote from: silverton_ford on April 19, 2022, 10:19:15 AM
Quote from: tesgt350 on April 19, 2022, 09:24:16 AM
What ever happened to the Car?
http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=12686.msg106135#msg106135 (http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=12686.msg106135#msg106135)
Thanks, very cool Cars.
Quote from: Engineer on April 19, 2022, 08:59:41 AM
Sorry not a photograph ..... a blueprint drawing or sketch for your reference.
Rick (aka Engineer)
Cool piece, that's basically the one in Shoen's book....but cooler! 8)
https://youtu.be/hPGG_0CO0dE
Driving at Riverside Raceway
Quote from: NukeGT on April 20, 2022, 01:05:36 PM
https://youtu.be/hPGG_0CO0dE
Driving at Riverside Raceway
Firestones?????
Take a look at the pics in Silverton Fords post here - http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=12686.msg106135#msg106135
At 0:17 of video provides a great reference photo the original post may help. Firestones also look newly installed for the build completion. The Goodyears look perfect for the collection display.
Thanks for all your replys
@98SVT - was 06GT
i agree and of course i mostly interested in Pic from LAX
@s2ms
can you show the 3 Pics from the Book ???
@all
i like the Video and the Blueprints, thank you very much
if the Pic at 0,17 Minute was from LAX fresh paint, i dont know but it could be possible
Greets from Germany
Stephan
Quote from: NukeGT on April 20, 2022, 03:45:37 PM
At 0:17 of video provides a great reference photo the original post may help. Firestones also look newly installed for the build completion. The Goodyears look perfect for the collection display.
I was just pointing out how wrong Firestones look on a SA product. Some history for the kids. Prior to building the first Cobra at Dean Moon's shop Shelby had rented space there for his new GoodYear race tire distributorship. A problem arose when Firestone and GoodYear discovered their race tires were coming from the same address - Dean Moon had the Firestone distributorship. Bottom line they made Shelby move out. It was that GoodYear contract that kept Shelby afloat through many of his other failed ventures.
And don't forget it was Firestones mounted on cheater 9" rear wheels that cost Mark Donahue a championship in a GT350. The rear springs rubbed through the sidewalls while flexing on the banking. PS - he would not have won anyway CS had a protest ready to go for the "out of spec" wheels.
From everything I've ever seen or read the car left SA unpainted. Of course painted in period makes it sound like it was moments from winning it's first race rather than being a dead project. But without history you need a good story to sell a car.
I think the boldest "as raced" claim is attached to the first Coupe. When CS sold the car to Jim Russell it had a fresh HiPo street long block with all the race parts mounted on it. Russell took the car and had it turned into a show piece with flawless bodywork and fresh paint along with a Tony Nancy interior. He used it to hype his RussKit slot cars and then sold it off to Phil Specter. After 40+ years in un-climate controlled storage - presto as raced patina.
(https://i.imgur.com/WPYEoBol.jpg)
Stephan, thanks for this thread, and your images
(credit: two photos, and write up, and schematic, are from the Cobra-Ferrari Wars 1963-1965, by Michael L. Shoen)
my copy published 1990, American edition.
First the schematic from the book, better resolution than what Dave posted, but is Dave's in post 3 an original ? and this one a later
drawing by L. Honneger ?
I can post a larger scan if you guys want it.
Here are two photos of the cars at Radford in the U.K. the first (wooden buck) I think is the one that was eight inches too wide, as
mentioned by Brock in the text. the next one with body partially on the chassis is I believe correct dimensions.
The third photo in the book is the same right rear 3/4 view that Stephan posted in his first set of photos.
Here's the text from piece in the Shoen book.
Here's the second part of the text.
Mike
Hello Mike,
many thanks for the Pics and the text ... fun to read and go deeper in the rabbit hole for the Super Daytona Coupe
The schematic (drawing / blueprint) I posted appears to be the same as that sold at Mecum Indy 2020 (part of the John Atzbach collection). I believe it to be a period drawing.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/RM0520-429824/shelby-american-cobra-daytona-coupe-blueprints/
The one I have is old. The paper is original blueprinting paper (type exposed to high intensity light to copy and then blued using ammonia). It has degraded somewhat. It was pinned up (tack rust stained) and exposed to light - sunlight for some time.
Respect to the one from the book, I believe it was recompiled from a better copy than the one I have.
Rick (aka Engineer)