Today Ford pulled out of the SEMA show. (So did Honda but who cares).
What I see....... the ICE is dead at Ford
Ford has always passed out a few of their new Mustangs to modify and display by noted builders. Will that still happen or is the new "performance" Mustang as I predicted an Ecoboost V6 Hybrid?
Attendance was down last year but you still would not abandon the performance industry unless you were getting out of that business.
In an e-mail sent to Motor1.com, Ford explained the decision: "We are refining our approach to the annual SEMA Show to better reach and highlight how customers can personalize their Ford vehicles today and tomorrow.
Was the Mustang Lithium an omen?
Ford should change their name from 'Ford Motor Company' to 'Ford, we buy Chinese Made batteries Company'. This is another reason Challenger is out selling Mustang. Ford should also pull out of NASCRAP. Waste of time and money. Let Chevy and Toyota (why in the hell is a non US manufacturer there?) play boogity, boogity, boogity. No one cares anymore.
Too much unnecessary drama, Ford internal shows ICE through at least 2040
Bill
NASCRAP and F1 have been totally taken over by US media hacks. It's all about social statements and creating drama to get millennial viewers.
Indy was the first to tank with spec cars. Today NASCAR suits are making their money selling spec cars not hosting races. Compare a mid 80s Roush TransAm car to today's "stockcar". Tube frame, V8, Mustang, Camaro (soon to be Challenger?) body, center lock wheels (but smaller than TA). Yep the "new" NASCAR is only 40 years behind the times.
Let's see a video of this one against a new NASPILE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70zPSEjKgsU
This one has been updated to the 358" engine max (750+HP). Mine is a back marker today with its 310" 650HP but would probably still out run a current car.
Quote from: Bill on April 29, 2022, 02:37:05 PM
Too much unnecessary drama, Ford internal shows ICE through at least 2040
Yep they'll be building ICE for their big trucks a lot longer than for their cars and trucks under the F550. Ford will make the corporate decision to abandon small rural markets where people need ICE due to distances involved - after all they don't care if they PO their 3 dealers in Wyoming.
With all this nonsense going electric, Toyota says not so fast. Think about that. When a major manufacturer like Toyota says it will not abandon ICE, that says a lot. Ford and GM are fools...again. Caught with their pants down. When the next administration takes the White House in 2024, all this crap will end.
In my opinion, the trend towards electric is set and will happen. The only question is how fast and which companies want to be seen as market leaders or followers, or both depending on their fleet of vehicles and target markets. LOTS of people are buying into the transition especially with gas prices as they are now and in the end consumers will make choices and manufacturers will respond as they think they should. I highly doubt any political administration is going to significantly affect what happens going forward at this point unless they come out with massive rebates to accelerate the take up / make the switch more affordable.
Everyone has a budget, everyone has a credit limit even FOMOCO.
The current world situation has made everyone adjust , us, the oligarchs
small companies and even large corporations.
If you haven't realized it yet your / our dollar doesn't buy what it did a few years ago.
Take a look at fuels you purchased a gallon for about $2 . Today that same gallon will cost you $4.
Take a look at food, clothes, restaurant dining etc and you will find that your / our dollar doesn't stretch as much as it did.
Just imagine what other cost cutting "programs" internal/external FOMOCO (and all the other large corporations) has or will implement beside not participating at SEMA.
So Even FOMOCO has to adjust or it will be extinguished
And I know this is just a moment in time, a cycle but hang on tightly
Ford will just start going to the consumer electronics show in Vegas to bring out their new vehicles.
Roy
Quote from: TA Coupe on April 30, 2022, 06:47:33 AM
Ford will just start going to the consumer electronics show in Vegas to bring out their new vehicles.
Roy
They have already submitted an application and they will be placed by all the toasters and microwave section.....
Quote from: FL SAAC on April 30, 2022, 08:13:00 AM
Quote from: TA Coupe on April 30, 2022, 06:47:33 AM
Ford will just start going to the consumer electronics show in Vegas to bring out their new vehicles.
Roy
They have already submitted an application and they will be placed by all the toasters and microwave section.....
While @ CES, Ford will showcase its products along with the porno stars. Air bags and more air bags...lol
I think the answer is who at "Detroit" is reading the "market"?
My feeling is that the vast majority of the "real market" doesn't care about maintaining the previous existing status quo on ICE"s particularly if it's main benefit is the "support" of the oil and gas industry.
It should be pointed out that the US is an "energy exporter". The US has a surplus of energy, but it goes to an open "worldwide" commodity market where the value is determined.
It has been the emergence of China as an oil consumer that has pushed the price of oil up. Oil prices get driven up and the US has to pay more to buy it's own oil back.
The real danger here is that China is actually in recession and their need is down. Should they recover anytime soon, the demand will increase exponentially as will the price at the pump.
The market feeling is that oil production is near full production NOW.
Is "Detroit" really reading that all wrong? Aren't "consumers" driving the demand for EV's as a "good time" to switch away from this Russian Roulette game with oil?
Personally my economic situation is not likely to improve in increasing my spendable income. It is very close now to my limit at what I CAN pay at the pump.
As a result, I'm finding it difficult to not find a 1,000 hp EV not an attractive thought. I don't know the actually issues those are going to create? I don't think anyone can yet? You can only speculate. Can it be any worse then the prospect of the "Dodge Boys" doing doughnuts at intersections when the lights change or paying $7.50 a gallon for Regular?
Maybe the 1,000hp EV is going to be too quite for me and the temptation to fall asleep while driving it combined with the blood rushing out of my brain from the excessive G forces will be my final demise? On the other hand I certainly won't be forking over $100 for a fill up. Pluses and minuses.
Ah, bah humbug! Everybody go away and let me live in my fantasies. You're bumming everyone out.
Quote from: shelbydoug on May 01, 2022, 09:03:11 AM
I think the answer is who at "Detroit" is reading the "market"?
My feeling is that the vast majority of the "real market" doesn't care about maintaining the previous existing status quo on ICE"s particularly if it's main benefit is the "support" of the oil and gas industry.
It should be pointed out that the US is an "energy exporter". The US has a surplus of energy, but it goes to an open "worldwide" commodity market where the value is determined.
It has been the emergence of China as an oil consumer that has pushed the price of oil up. Oil prices get driven up and the US has to pay more to buy it's own oil back.
The real danger here is that China is actually in recession and their need is down. Should they recover anytime soon, the demand will increase exponentially as will the price at the pump.
The market feeling is that oil production is near full production NOW.
Is "Detroit" really reading that all wrong? Aren't "consumers" driving the demand for EV's as a "good time" to switch away from this Russian Roulette game with oil?
Personally my economic situation is not likely to improve in increasing my spendable income. It is very close now to my limit at what I CAN pay at the pump.
As a result, I'm finding it difficult to not find a 1,000 hp EV not an attractive thought. I don't know the actually issues those are going to create? I don't think anyone can yet? You can only speculate. Can it be any worse then the prospect of the "Dodge Boys" doing doughnuts at intersections when the lights change or paying $7.50 a gallon for Regular?
Maybe the 1,000hp EV is going to be too quite for me and the temptation to fall asleep while driving it combined with the blood rushing out of my brain from the excessive G forces will be my final demise? On the other hand I certainly won't be forking over $100 for a fill up. Pluses and minuses.
Ah, bah humbug! Everybody go away and let me live in my fantasies. You're bumming everyone out.
Sorry, no. Your statement that we are an oil exporter is incorrect. We are very restricted on drilling anymore (thanks to the current Donkey/ass party), while BOZO killed over 50K+ jobs with a swipe of his pen. WE used to be energy independent under Trump. Funny how liberals 'think' electric is the great saving grace. Ever wonder where electric comes from? The current electric grid can't keep up now...imagine all of these cars charging at 5pm...rolling blackouts for days. Want to drive across country, or simply drive from LA to Vegas on one charge..forget it. And lastly, your electric bill for charging your blessed EV will be in the thousands. Did you know these lithium batteries come from China, AND are more dirty in land fills? Doesn't so good now, does it?
Quote from: shelbydoug on May 01, 2022, 09:03:11 AM
I think the answer is who at "Detroit" is reading the "market"?
There is a big difference in being energy independent - making enough in your own county and having to go begging to OPEC to increase production.
We don't have enough energy to charge all those cars that are proposed.
You will be paying more to charge your car - plans are already in place for a road tax and home charging stations will be separate systems or have a surcharge for vehicle charging. They kicking around the idea of reverse charging - that is where when your car is plugged in they can draw energy from it to support the grid when supplies are low. In the end your price per mile will be the same for gas or electric. I have never seen them tout an electric car as the economical way to travel.
Your gas prices are high for only ONE reason - production is down and we're buying on the open market.
Kinda funny (not really, just a bunch of hypocrites) that all of these 'greenies' in the current BOZO administration that are screaming "Buy electric cars!" not one of them actually owns one.
More to excite the curious:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKOL3G8XKzQ
Must be fun on a polished concrete floor. 8)
Quote from: Don Johnston on May 01, 2022, 03:23:34 PM
More to excite the curious:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKOL3G8XKzQ
Must be fun on a polished concrete floor. 8)
Another worthless 100K dollar truck with ONLY (as stated in the video) 220 mile range on a single charge. PASS.
I seem to be stuck on my same rant - can any of the left-wing/greenies do any math?
I doubt it.
IF - we change all cars and trucks (not sure about planes, trains and ships?) to Battery Power...
PLUS - we eliminate coal & natural gas fired electricity generation (probably also need to get rid of those nasty nuclear power plants?)
HOW MUCH "green" energy generation will be needed? ... and how long is that going to take to get built?
(Yes, I want to see the Megawatt requirement calculation for all of this new usage)
oops, I almost forgot to include the extra MW to replace home usage of natural gas and propane... heater, stove, dryer, hot water...
I've been reading about the "FANTASTIC/SUPER/WONDERFUL" (etc) off-shore wind project that will be off the coast of Maryland for a few years. Maybe "soon" the approvals will be in place to actually start working on something. Seems like these things take a decade - or more - to make any progress, and who knows how long to make any electricity.
FWIW, the article in our local paper [from 4 years ago] stated that the above wind power will cost 2-1/2 times as much as current power ("wholesale price").
You can bet that all of this "green power" is gonna cost you some green $$ in the long run.
Seems like Ford and GM are betting on the left, and not on the math?
Hmmm... I seem to be a bit cynical ??? ::)
You are spot on. Those windmills that will power everything according to the left/greenies, I have a question for them. What about those windmills near Palm Springs that have been in disrepair for years? Why are most of them not working/broke? Hmmm...and when they were working, did it help/reduce the electric grid? Nope. Another waste of taxpayers dollars. Btw, where are all of these new 'green jobs' the JACKASS Party is talking about? Another lie.
Quote from: crossboss on May 01, 2022, 05:22:30 PM
You are spot on. Those windmills that will power everything according to the left/greenies, I have a question for them. What about those windmills near Palm Springs that have been in disrepair for years? Why are most of them not working/broke? Hmmm...and when they were working, did it help/reduce the electric grid? Nope. Another waste of taxpayers dollars. Btw, where are all of these new 'green jobs' the JACKASS Party is talking about? Another lie.
The windmills were the big gift from Carter to the rich investors. They got mega tax breaks for investing. The energy and pollution expended and produced to create a windmill exceeds all the energy it will produce in its lifetime.
I know a guy who made a lot of money designing the shape for the blades on these things. His patents on laminar flow and winglets are now used by all the big aircraft manufacturers.
I love driving along the 10 past the old oil well looking wind mills that have thrown a blade and ended up a twisted heap of scrap metal.
Looks like they are replacing them https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9132997,-116.59838,3a,20.4y,35.83h,95.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYBKhn-KMLHQ4yJSRXC-NVg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
The pole type don't seem to fail when they throw a blade https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9130453,-116.5979641,3a,15y,242.42h,93.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svuEKVeXLna6XRHGncVL-JA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
Not sure why our friends in the White House (or wherever his "set" is) feel the need to make a "free market" country push gas out the door...If electric cars are so good, they will get better and better and the free market will choose. I think there is a place for both, like gas heat vs electric heat. Elon Musk has even said, its time to start producing again, never mind the push for electric cars, Tesla will be fine, we need to get cheaper gas to the people.
BUT...
It is clear to see via our administration in the white house has bribed many companies, Ford, GM, GE, Coke, Disney, Gates, and any other big name you can think of.... Every company is told to get in line or pay. They all have chose to sell US out. They are burning up food plants, they shorted the companies for chips, and these companies are silent as to what is going on.
THIS IS A SCARY TIME...
We all are also to blame, we let a dishonest election slide right on in, we have been blocked on media, the truth is not getting out to the people, only a few know what has happened and the evidence is everywhere. We just let it happen, why? How many are married to a teacher, firefighter, police, and any other public job where at the end a nice big pension waits? Who would you vote for??? Someone who wants to reel in free stuff for the few? HA!
Many people just don't care what is going on as long as its all good in their neighborhood.
In conclusion...
Something is rotten in the USA...The enemy within.
I keep reading about how the media is important for the USA, they give us the real facts, etc.
Directly from that 2018 article:
'Maryland says that the additional burden on ratepayers is projected to be less than $1.40 per month for residential customers and less than 1.4% impact on the annual bills of businesses", according to the Maryland Public Service Commission'
What honest person could write that the cost is 2.5X and the rate increase will be 1.4%?
When someone says that "taxpayers" (or the government) will make up the difference - I always point out that the "ratepayer" and the "taxpayer" are the same guy at my house ::)
All I can say on this is make sure you vote for the right people, and the right party on this upcoming mid term. Don't let OUR country be ruined (again) with corrupt left wing nut jobs. There must be common sense and balance to it all.
Quote from: crossboss on May 01, 2022, 09:21:58 PM
All I can say on this is make sure you vote for the right people, and the right party on this upcoming mid term. Don't let OUR country be ruined (again) with corrupt left wing nut jobs. There must be common sense and balance to it all.
AMEN!
EVs disadvantages include finding charging stations, charging times, higher initial costs, limited driving range, and battery packs can be expensive to replace. Once the battery is out the environmental hazards they present to our environment.
Imagine losing the ability to pull over and gas up immediately is a hard fact for us to lose.
Having to live with the fear the battery will run out of charge before reaching your destination, or "range anxiety," fear of too few charging stations, long charge times etc.
We will be holding out until we can no longer purchase a fuels powered vehicle. Bycicles are a good alternative.