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Title: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on August 05, 2022, 11:43:49 AM
Get rid of the dealers and sell cars online

https://fordauthority.com/2022/06/ford-ceo-jim-farley-wants-100-percent-digital-sales-fixed-prices/

Yeah I'm sure the 3100 Ford dealers in the US alone will be happy delivering your car and rotating tires.

Oh and you might as well lay off 8,000 people that make the ICE cars

https://fordauthority.com/2022/07/ford-ceo-jim-farley-says-company-has-too-many-people/

He's also said people will have to get used to the new look of Fords - how ugly are Henry's Mc Cars going to be? They have a whole line of pure EVs that are being kept under wraps until their expected mass debut in 2023.




Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: crossboss on August 05, 2022, 12:04:29 PM
...And speaking of a POS, I just saw the new Maverick truck. Yep, a POS. And a real ugly POS at that.
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: Grumpy on August 05, 2022, 12:24:07 PM
I don't understand whats keeping the dealers open now ? Service carrying the whole load of the dealership ? I have been looking for 2 new cars an dealers don't have squat. What a mess !  :(
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: TOBKOB on August 05, 2022, 12:50:40 PM
I started looking for a new or gently used F250 over 2 yrs ago and soon gave up on gently used because they were pretty much the same price as new minus the warranty. Given I'm picky and the inventory at the dealers (I looked at dealers in several states) dried up I decided to wait and order a new one after everything gets better. Luckily My '99 F250 7.3 still runs and looks good so I'm patiently waiting. We did buy a new Lincoln for my wife in Feb. and surprisingly we found what we were looking for at several dealers. I guess used cars and service are paying the bills.

TOB
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on August 05, 2022, 01:00:02 PM
I don't understand whats keeping the dealers open now ? Service carrying the whole load of the dealership ? I have been looking for 2 new cars an dealers don't have squat. What a mess !  :(

Part of Farley's pitch is that dealers have been marking up cars and charging premiums on low supply cars. Well guess what Jim - you already sold that car and walked away telling the guy here's your truckload of cars give us a check and good luck with the sales. Their store, their cars, their business, you going to sell that old Cobra for sticker? It takes X amount of money to keep the doors open. If you are getting 1/2 the cars you need to make twice as much one each one just to stay even. Lots of dealers were down to 25-30% allocation.
I know a guy who works at a dealer. They got called on the carpet by Ford for markup. During the great shortage last year they were buying cars from small dealers in flyover country for sticker price, paying to have them transported to their dealership and then marking them up to cover their costs. One woman didn't like that a F150 was $5,000 over sticker and took a picture to send to Ford. The dealer documented $2,300 of the $5000 was direct cost and they would only make $2,700 on the truck. He also sold his low mileage F350 back to the dealer for $3000 over sticker - which he didn't pay in the first place. Marking up a Bronco to $100,000 is good business in my opinion. If some guy is willing to pay the freight to be the first on his block that's fine. Like my dad always said a fool and his money will soon be parted.
And yes service is really helping right now. With the shortage people are thinking maybe I better take care of what I have since I just can't dump it and get a new one.
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: crossboss on August 05, 2022, 01:55:31 PM
My worthless two cents...
Don't buy new. Why? Overpriced, too much on sales/taxes, ripoff fees, aka doc, smog/emissions, and just the DMV fees alone. Buy a nice, low milage used vehicle. I am right now doing just that. A 2010-2012 Escape XLT or a Limited. These are great, reliable (can last up to over 250K miles), safe, with excellent gas mileage, stylish cars/trucks (actually called 'cross-overs') with all the bling you can want. Prices are in the 7,500-10K range. You'll save on insurance, and the daily cost is cheap. Why buy new anymore?
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: 68stangcjfb on August 05, 2022, 05:42:13 PM
A Men! I have never bought a new car, truck or motorcycle. And I never will!
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: Lincoln tech on August 05, 2022, 07:40:26 PM
I don't understand whats keeping the dealers open now ? Service carrying the whole load of the dealership ? I have been looking for 2 new cars an dealers don't have squat. What a mess !  :(
Because of market adjustment Sales guys are selling less cars and making more money so no complaints there, Service Dept alone can't carry the whole dealership there is not enough customer pay work , most of the work that comes in through the door is WARRANTY which hurts everyone. Dealers are only allowed to order so many units to keep on the lot ( some have used a shady tactic of ordering vehicles in fake names or even using employee names ) and when Ford finds out they get a slap on the wrist if you are a certain dealer  ;) Buy directly from the manufacturer and dump the dealers has been on the table for a while. They are also selling used for the price of new so good luck with the used idea.I've been around Ford dealers for close to 50 years I have seen it all.
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: deathsled on August 06, 2022, 10:55:50 AM
Maybe his real name is Chris Farley and his vision is more a joke or rather a hallucination.
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: shelbydoug on August 06, 2022, 11:26:13 AM
I mentioned this story to a friend who is a Ford Store Owner. He had not heard about it at all but needless to say was not happy about it.

It just seems entirely self destructive to me. That's what I mean about a "suicide/murder Pact".

He would be murdering the dealers and their employees and how could it be anything but committing suicide with the board of directors and stockholders?

Splitting the EV's out into their own division is one thing and questionable if you take them out of a Ford dealership but taking new car sales out as well is not even a rational action to take.
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: Lincoln tech on August 06, 2022, 12:42:59 PM
I mentioned this story to a friend who is a Ford Store Owner. He had not heard about it at all but needless to say was not happy about it.

It just seems entirely self destructive to me. That's what I mean about a "suicide/murder Pact".

He would be murdering the dealers and their employees and how could it be anything but committing suicide with the board of directors and stockholders?

Splitting the EV's out into their own division is one thing and questionable if you take them out of a Ford dealership but taking new car sales out as well is not even a rational action to take.
Just like when Ford paid dealers to close doors in 2008 :-X
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on August 06, 2022, 02:58:16 PM
Just like when Ford paid dealers to close doors in 2008 :-X
Smaller, under performing, wouldn't or couldn't afford to upgrade facility to meet Ford's vision of a dealership. Mostly old mom & pop dealers who were ready to retire. I don't think there was one of them who beefed about the deal they got to sell their franchise back.
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: Side-Oilers on August 06, 2022, 04:30:56 PM
Here's my purely anecdotal experience regarding FoMoCo dealers in my area. And yes, I understand about the Covid fallout, employee and parts shortages, etc.

The nearest Lincoln dealer to me in San Diego area is a Penske store, where I bought our Navigator Black Label new in 2019. 

Aside from a minimal re-do of the showroom and small waiting area, it's your basic 1980s' looking store.

The service bays are all outside, with minimal cover. And there is almost always a week or so wait to get an appointment. Then, on appointment day, you drop it off and hope to see it again in an unknown of days. The service writer literally told me to take my Nav to a big Ford dealer, as I'd have better luck getting it in there. All I wanted was to have the transmission looked at, because of hard shifting that just started occurring.

So, I took it to my local Ford dealer, and the experience there was even worse than at the Penske store. The Ford service writer told me flat out that it'd be TWO MONTHS before he had an available transmission tech to look at the vehicle. I of course said No Thanks and eventually took it back to Penske Lincoln. After a three week wait, with my Nav sitting in their holding lot collecting dust, they finally had a tech open and quickly deduced the problem as just needing a software reboot to fix. He did that, and it's been trouble free ever since. 

The "Black Label" special service and treatment is virtually nonexistent at this store, and IF they even have a loaner car for you, it will literally be one of the same three pieces of crap base-model Lincolns with over 50,000 miles on them. The last one I got wasn't even washed and had less than a quarter-tank of gas in it.

The overall look of the place is like a second-rate used car lot.  Really disappointing for the Lincoln brand and the Penske brand both.

When I purchased our Navigator, that meant Lincoln "conquested" me from other brands. That's what they try their hardest to do....hence the supposed Black Label special perks.  I'd never owned a Lincoln in my life. Now, I'm looking elsewhere for its replacement.

Farley is making major blunders. And yes, I understand a fair amount about the challenges of car companies and dealers. But, I don't think his vision is a very good one.

BTW: The second-nearest Lincoln dealer to me is about 50 miles away.  Come on, guys...this is Southern California, not the Southern Hemisphere!
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: shelbydoug on August 06, 2022, 06:27:46 PM
I don't know any that look like that here. An average size has around 12 bays. The bigger ones double that.

As far as getting service appointments out of four locals I called in May, the nearest appointment available was third week in August.

Apparently visions of what a"Ford Store" should be can vary.

I am told that no one has any inventory. While I was waiting to pickup my car from service, I heard one salesman say that they had no Mavericks but thought they would be "permitted" to order them in September?


It is an interesting phenomena and apparently I don't understand exactly what is happening but logically you can't sell cars that you do not have? So what is the difference which division of Ford we are talking about or is reorganized into if they have nothing to sell?
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: Lincoln tech on August 07, 2022, 08:40:53 AM
Here's my purely anecdotal experience regarding FoMoCo dealers in my area. And yes, I understand about the Covid fallout, employee and parts shortages, etc.

The nearest Lincoln dealer to me in San Diego area is a Penske store, where I bought our Navigator Black Label new in 2019. 

Aside from a minimal re-do of the showroom and small waiting area, it's your basic 1980s' looking store.

The service bays are all outside, with minimal cover. And there is almost always a week or so wait to get an appointment. Then, on appointment day, you drop it off and hope to see it again in an unknown of days. The service writer literally told me to take my Nav to a big Ford dealer, as I'd have better luck getting it in there. All I wanted was to have the transmission looked at, because of hard shifting that just started occurring.

So, I took it to my local Ford dealer, and the experience there was even worse than at the Penske store. The Ford service writer told me flat out that it'd be TWO MONTHS before he had an available transmission tech to look at the vehicle. I of course said No Thanks and eventually took it back to Penske Lincoln. After a three week wait, with my Nav sitting in their holding lot collecting dust, they finally had a tech open and quickly deduced the problem as just needing a software reboot to fix. He did that, and it's been trouble free ever since. 

The "Black Label" special service and treatment is virtually nonexistent at this store, and IF they even have a loaner car for you, it will literally be one of the same three pieces of crap base-model Lincolns with over 50,000 miles on them. The last one I got wasn't even washed and had less than a quarter-tank of gas in it.

The overall look of the place is like a second-rate used car lot.  Really disappointing for the Lincoln brand and the Penske brand both.

When I purchased our Navigator, that meant Lincoln "conquested" me from other brands. That's what they try their hardest to do....hence the supposed Black Label special perks.  I'd never owned a Lincoln in my life. Now, I'm looking elsewhere for its replacement.

Farley is making major blunders. And yes, I understand a fair amount about the challenges of car companies and dealers. But, I don't think his vision is a very good one.

BTW: The second-nearest Lincoln dealer to me is about 50 miles away.  Come on, guys...this is Southern California, not the Southern Hemisphere!
Another happy Lincoln customer  :o I worked for 24 years in a very successful L/M dealer in Phila it was a small place with about 100 employees , over the years we have built up a customer base who trusted us that was second to none ( I would say == remember our customers can afford to drive high end vehicles but they choose Lincoln we must take care of them , and we did ) Life was good. Then in 2008 I never thought that Ford would allow the only Lincoln dealer in Phila to close it's doors so I was forced to finish my career in a large Ford dealer that don't give shit about anything but money.Back in the day I would say = who is going to fix those cars after we are gone ???? There is no more good techs only young kids that don't care or understand.
Fords labor standards are terrible so who cares if the car gets fixed or not =, let them came back few times.As far as I'm concerned Ford killed Lincoln and now it looks like they want to do the same to themselves ( only my opinion ) One more thing, Ford dealers don't want to deal with Lincolns so they will blow you away saying they're booked up ( look here comes another pain in the ass Lincoln owner ) LOL  Good luck.
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: crossboss on August 07, 2022, 11:31:35 AM
This is why Oldsmobile, Pontiac, and Mercury brands are no more. It won't be long when Lincoln is gone too. Poor Woke Ford Motor Company...sorry, I don't care anymore. I wont be buying ANY new car ever again....or have since my 2005 Mustang GT.
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: Grumpy on August 07, 2022, 12:21:08 PM
So what will Ford do as far as service for the cars ? Convert all the dealers to service centers  ::)  Might be back to our old cars like it is in Cuba  8)
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: crossboss on August 07, 2022, 12:47:41 PM
So what will Ford do as far as service for the cars ? Convert all the dealers to service centers  ::)  Might be back to our old cars like it is in Cuba  8)




No, the smart import brands are kicking our butts...again. Look around, 7 out of 10 are imports. Kia, Hyundai, Honda and Toyota. I will never buy one, yet many people are...
And Im quite confidant those brands treat their customers better then our domestics do...
Ford and GM...WAKE UP!!!
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: Lincoln tech on August 07, 2022, 01:02:00 PM
So what will Ford do as far as service for the cars ? Convert all the dealers to service centers  ::)  Might be back to our old cars like it is in Cuba  8)
They would have to open service centers owned by them and pay people good money , I don't think that will be the case. Ford is making harder and harder to repair their screw ups, they don't offer decent technical support , they wan't you to submit pictures or videos in order to get approval , monitor your activity when you use their diagnostic equipment  and more,  if you don't follow their steps they will decline the claim. You can spend 2 hours trying to reprogram their Sync system but they will only pay 18 minutes for that job , flat rate pay system needs to go away . And you wonder why your car don't get fixed ? The whole system needs to be totally changed as it will not make it the way it is.   
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: Side-Oilers on August 07, 2022, 03:40:33 PM
Lincoln tech:  Thanks for your knowledgeable comments and perspective.  You're right...things have certainly changed.  And needs to be changed again...for the better this time!

What you wrote here really sums it up perfectly:
One more thing, Ford dealers don't want to deal with Lincolns so they will blow you away saying they're booked up ( look here comes another pain in the ass Lincoln owner ) LOL  Good luck.

Some more personal anecdotal perspective that is probably relatable to long time Lincoln owners too: From the early '60s until 1990, my mom always drove new Cadillacs (we weren't rich...my dad drove the same VW Beetle for ten years to make that happen with our family budget.)

As the quality of the Caddys got worse and worse, in late 1989 I convinced my parents to sell their nearly new Fleetwood (a total POS from day one) and go drive this new Japanese luxury car called Lexus. They weren't too eager to buy a Japanese product, but I convinced them that I'd been to the press intro, and magazine-tested them, and Lexus definitely had raised the "standard of the world" to be Lexus, not Cadillac. 

My parents begrudgingly went to the Lexus dealer, expecting to find a large Camry, but once they drove the LS400, they were sold. At the first service, I went with my mom just to see how everything went. I didn't tell anyone at the dealer about my magazine or Toyota connections. When the service manager came out personally to give her the keys, she thanked him and said "Now that's Cadillac service...from the 1960s!"  We all shared a laugh over that. 

I told that story to the head of Lexus Division, and he said he'd relay it to all of the dealer principals.
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on August 07, 2022, 04:24:10 PM
As the quality of the Caddys got worse and worse, in late 1989 I convinced my parents to sell their nearly new Fleetwood (a total POS from day one) and go drive this new Japanese luxury car called Lexus. They weren't too eager to buy a Japanese product, but I convinced them that I'd been to the press intro, and magazine-tested them, and Lexus definitely had raised the "standard of the world" to be Lexus, not Cadillac.

When Japanese cars came here they were junk. They did their homework and became the standard of the world. Think German cars are tops - just take a look at % of retail value of a used Japanese car vs a BMW or Mercedes.
I was looking for a new SUV to tow our travel trailer - ruled out the V6 only Expedition right away. The Chevy Tahoe was on the list but with recent service problems/lies with our Volt anything GM was out. The Nissan Armada with 400 hp V8 is the clear winner and 10-15 grand cheaper than a Tahoe and with a lot higher owner satisfaction.
But in the end we're keeping our 300,000 mile 2004 Excursion. The trans and transfer case had been gone through when we got it and I've got a fresh 5.4 V8 to stick in it.
PS swapped the 2013 Volt for a 2015 Lincoln MXC with 60,000 miles. It's got every option but the 2.3 engine and I expect my rebranded Escape to last as long as our first Escape did. We've had great service at a Ford/Lincoln dealer in Monrovia CA. Just had the Flex in because the AC was erratic. The control panel took a dump. We dropped it off on Thursday and they called Monday that it was done.
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: crossboss on August 07, 2022, 05:08:39 PM
As the quality of the Caddys got worse and worse, in late 1989 I convinced my parents to sell their nearly new Fleetwood (a total POS from day one) and go drive this new Japanese luxury car called Lexus. They weren't too eager to buy a Japanese product, but I convinced them that I'd been to the press intro, and magazine-tested them, and Lexus definitely had raised the "standard of the world" to be Lexus, not Cadillac.

When Japanese cars came here they were junk. They did their homework and became the standard of the world. Think German cars are tops - just take a look at % of retail value of a used Japanese car vs a BMW or Mercedes.
I was looking for a new SUV to tow our travel trailer - ruled out the V6 only Expedition right away. The Chevy Tahoe was on the list but with recent service problems/lies with our Volt anything GM was out. The Nissan Armada with 400 hp V8 is the clear winner and 10-15 grand cheaper than a Tahoe and with a lot higher owner satisfaction.
But in the end we're keeping our 300,000 mile 2004 Excursion. The trans and transfer case had been gone through when we got it and I've got a fresh 5.4 V8 to stick in it.
PS swapped the 2013 Volt for a 2015 Lincoln MXC with 60,000 miles. It's got every option but the 2.3 engine and I expect my rebranded Escape to last as long as our first Escape did. We've had great service at a Ford/Lincoln dealer in Monrovia CA. Just had the Flex in because the AC was erratic. The control panel took a dump. We dropped it off on Thursday and they called Monday that it was done.



Be careful on what Escape models/years are the good, bad and ugly. Since I'm in the market for one, I have researched it to death. The good years are 2007, 2010-2012, and 2018-2019. Absolutely stay away from 2013/2014. The earlier years 2002-2004/5 do have the transmission/miss fires/stalling/braking problems. Hybrids with the Toyota batts and electric drive systems are 'rated' for only 8 years. Some last more, some don't. Tons of Hybrids currently on the market with around 100K (or more) miles that are on the verge of taking a dump. Again, do your research!!
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on August 07, 2022, 07:05:42 PM
Be careful on what Escape models/years are the good, bad and ugly. The earlier years 2002-2004/5 do have the transmission/miss fires/stalling/braking problems.
Our 2005 had 250,000+ miles on it when I sold it. other than some tires and a couple brake pad changes the only thing it needed was a $69 ebay radiator (orig tank cracked) and a $30 fuel pressure regulator. Bought it new and did 5,000 mile Mobil 1 changes. After about 230,000 I didn't even change the oil just added a quart when it was low.
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: crossboss on August 07, 2022, 08:30:18 PM
Be careful on what Escape models/years are the good, bad and ugly. The earlier years 2002-2004/5 do have the transmission/miss fires/stalling/braking problems.
Our 2005 had 250,000+ miles on it when I sold it. other than some tires and a couple brake pad changes the only thing it needed was a $69 ebay radiator (orig tank cracked) and a $30 fuel pressure regulator. Bought it new and did 5,000 mile Mobil 1 changes. After about 230,000 I didn't even change the oil just added a quart when it was low.



Good to know. I hear that the Escapes can and do run for 200K and more miles. Very reliable cars.
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: Grumpy on August 07, 2022, 08:37:25 PM
Fords service sucks. My 2018 F-150 Platinum is my last American car. Few things were wrong on the truck that dealers have no idea how to fix it. Love the truck but that's it. Next 2 cars will be a Mercedes. A Mercedes-AMG E 63 S Wagon and a SUV E63 S . Last 2 cars normal cars should last me till I croak  ;)
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: Grumpy on August 07, 2022, 08:41:53 PM
Good to know. I hear that the Escapes can and do run for 200K and more miles. Very reliable cars.
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How are the new ones. Daughter is looking for a new car for the dogs.  8)
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: Don Johnston on August 07, 2022, 11:13:10 PM
I only have been driving Explorers but try to rent an Escape when traveling.  Last one was a 2020 and liked everything about the spirited four cylnder.  Only con was the rear hatch door that swings sideways rather lifting up. 8)

As far as Ford dealers, I agree about all the negative comments concerning the more recent atttitudes of the local dealers.  My favorite dealer never charged me ADM, even on performance or luxury level Fords.  During the economic downturns during the middle east wars, he sold off some of his personal collector cars to make payroll without laying off any employees.  He was a premier dealer of performance Fords and major promoter for those in the service. He has now passed and the new owner is horrible. Only two of the original staff of forty remain after eight years.  They left or were let go because they spent too much time with customers building relationships.  The turnover in managers is rediculous, mostly brought in from other States, young and little experience but work for a much lower salary.  Moral is lower than sea level. But service department is good when Ford eventually sends the needed parts.  8)
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: Side-Oilers on August 07, 2022, 11:16:08 PM
Don, where you live, I'd imagine you're literally a captive audience to whatever a car dealer wants to do. Not many other dealers to choose from.
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: rhjanes on August 07, 2022, 11:45:33 PM
Service:   About a year ago my wife's 2015 Civic wouldn't start.  We waited an hour and a half for the tow, on a Friday night.  Took it a few miles to the closest Honda dealer where it was dropped off at something like 8 PM when service was closed.  Around 7:45 AM the next day, Saturday, we got a call and text from the service advisor.  He had a list of stuff, starter out, needed the drive belt, some other thing and some fluids.  We approved on the phone and also on text for everything except some of the fluids, which I'd changed but their computers don't know that.  At 1 PM, on a Saturday, they called and said "Come get it".  I told them wife was gone and if they could come get me.....they dispatched their driver who showed up 30 minutes later after texting me twice of his progress.  All done on a Saturday in just 5 hours!

My 2019 F250 SD, last February it wouldn't open the doors.  Both batteries were DOA, I tested and tried to charge up.  They were just three years old according to their date stamps.  And only 2.5 years in service.  I had it towed to Ford as they would warranted the batteries. I called as soon as the tow left the house and told the Ford Service guy it was on the way.  He called me back at 4:55 PM on a Tuesday to tell me both batteries would be replaced at Fords expense.  Since I'd not heard from them at 2 PM Wednesday, I called.  To find out they had just THEN ordered the batteries!  Say WHAT!  BOTH my local parts houses had their house batteries in stock for the truck AND one of them had TWO Motorcrafts in stock for it!  I got the truck back on Thursday at noon.   If I would have just bought the batteries, I'd have it done by 6 PM on Tuesday. 

Honda replaces a starter and did something like four other repairs, in five hours on a SATURDAY.
Ford took a Wednesday and half a Thursday to replace two batteries.
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: Lincoln tech on August 08, 2022, 07:52:00 AM
Good to know. I hear that the Escapes can and do run for 200K and more miles. Very reliable cars.

How are the new ones. Daughter is looking for a new car for the dogs.  8)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
        Ordered 2022 SEL AWD for my wife in march took delivery in June so it took 3 months , so far 900 miles on it fun to drive, plenty power and has few neat toys , and the price was great. Stay away from older ecoboost models ( 2013-2019 ) as they ALL had bad engines , poor guys in the shop are still replacing them . If you decide to buy extended warranty insist on Ford Premium Care Plan don't let them sell you aftermarket garbage as you see advertised.               
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: Lincoln tech on August 08, 2022, 08:02:30 AM
I only have been driving Explorers but try to rent an Escape when traveling.  Last one was a 2020 and liked everything about the spirited four cylnder.  Only con was the rear hatch door that swings sideways rather lifting up. 8)
       You didn't drive an Escape , You drove a Ecosport  ;)
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: crossboss on August 08, 2022, 01:40:40 PM
Good to know. I hear that the Escapes can and do run for 200K and more miles. Very reliable cars.

How are the new ones. Daughter is looking for a new car for the dogs.  8)
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'New' Escapes have no data on long term reliability. Why? Because they are new. Personally, I'd buy a used one with good history, and low miles. Stay away from the years mentioned. Also, run away from the Hybirds with higher miles, and older versions...the batteries/electric drives are 'rated' for only 8 years.
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: crossboss on August 08, 2022, 01:53:50 PM
Im seriously considering this very nice 2012 Escape:

Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: Lincoln tech on August 08, 2022, 04:50:26 PM
Im seriously considering this very nice 2012 Escape:
  Looks good , how many miles , owners , 4 or v6 , fwd or awd
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: crossboss on August 08, 2022, 06:52:55 PM
Im seriously considering this very nice 2012 Escape:
  Looks good , how many miles , owners , 4 or v6 , fwd or awd



V-6, FWD, one owner, 117K miles. California car. Never any accidents. Clean history since new.
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: Lincoln tech on August 08, 2022, 07:08:23 PM


V-6, FWD, one owner, 117K miles. California car. Never any accidents. Clean history since new.


  I like the one owner option , looks clean if the price is right go for it , and good luck with it  8)   ( Check for leaking oil pan common on those )
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: Scode67FB on August 09, 2022, 04:29:42 AM
I find it a little odd that this subject took so long to get posted here. I first read about his idea back in Nov. 2021. Not sure if it was around any earlier.
https://www.powernationtv.com/post/ford-looking-to-move-away-from-crowded-dealerships-towards-online-ordering?utm_source=drip&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Ford+Looking+To+Move+Away+From+Crowded+Dealerships%252C+Towards+Online+Ordering


 I agree the whole idea sucks. I like being able to special order a vehicle. I've done that a few times. But just like the whole electric vehicle deal, it should be an option, not the law. Viewing a car on a computer screen is not the same as seeing it in person. I'll never buy a car that I can't test drive first, and putting a bunch of people out of work is never a good thing.

On a side note, I received an E-mail yesterday from the dealer where I bought my 2020 F150 Super Crew saying that they're now taking orders for 2023s and promised NO dealer markups.
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: Lincoln tech on August 09, 2022, 08:08:02 AM


On a side note, I received an E-mail yesterday from the dealer where I bought my 2020 F150 Super Crew saying that they're now taking orders for 2023s and promised NO dealer markups.
Once you order and lock the price you agreed on they can't mark it up , if you don't take delivery when it comes in they can put it on the lot and do whatever they want. Sounds like he wants your F-150 as a trade,Smart guy  ;)                               
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: crossboss on August 10, 2022, 06:52:32 PM


V-6, FWD, one owner, 117K miles. California car. Never any accidents. Clean history since new.


  I like the one owner option , looks clean if the price is right go for it , and good luck with it  8)   ( Check for leaking oil pan common on those )


That deal fell out...
However, I found a much better one...the family is selling their mother's Escape because she recently passed away. 77K miles, California car, VERY clean! Similar color combo, silver with two tone grey interior.
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: Lincoln tech on August 10, 2022, 07:29:18 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
There you go , and i like the mileage better too .                                                                               
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: crossboss on August 10, 2022, 08:57:44 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
There you go , and i like the mileage better too .                                                                             




The only issue is price...they are way over top Blue Book...
Actually, it won't sell even close to ask. I can wait.
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: Lincoln tech on August 11, 2022, 08:46:31 AM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
There you go , and i like the mileage better too .                                                                             




The only issue is price...they are way over top Blue Book...
Actually, it won't sell even close to ask. I can wait.
Market markup  ;) Just drove by a large Honda dealer here in Philly , their lot is Empty all they have is few old vehicles in the front line  ??? so it's not just Ford , my daughter keeps getting massages from a Dodge dealer where she bought her car=== they want her 2020 Charger back  :o
Title: Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
Post by: crossboss on August 11, 2022, 12:17:56 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
There you go , and i like the mileage better too .                                                                             




The only issue is price...they are way over top Blue Book...
Actually, it won't sell even close to ask. I can wait.
Market markup  ;) Just drove by a large Honda dealer here in Philly , their lot is Empty all they have is few old vehicles in the front line  ??? so it's not just Ford , my daughter keeps getting massages from a Dodge dealer where she bought her car=== they want her 2020 Charger back  :o



Yep. I see alot of cars just sitting, new, used, and private party. These sellers 'think' they are doing us a favor with the high pricing. Nope, like I said, I can wait.