my first post .. Im gonna leave this here for you guys :) Yes its in a barn around me.
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Seems like I've seen the car in my distant past
Quote from: Bill on June 07, 2018, 08:55:38 PM
Seems like I've seen the car in my distant past
Its always been in the pa/nj area
Im looking for any past info on it actually. What dealer is 16D017? Has anyone heard of this KR one before? I am looking to buy it actually Bill
Quotemy first post .. Im gonna leave this here for you guys :) Yes its in a barn around me.
Looks to be a well equipped barn ;)
TOB
Quote from: Topblissgt on June 07, 2018, 09:02:32 PM
Im looking for any past info on it actually. What dealer is 16D017? Has anyone heard of this KR one before? I am looking to buy it actually Bill
Pletcher Ford in Jenkintown, PA is where the car was originally delivered. ;)
Quote from: TOBKOB on June 07, 2018, 09:31:18 PM
Quotemy first post .. Im gonna leave this here for you guys :) Yes its in a barn around me.
Looks to be a well equipped barn ;)
TOB
Haven't you heard? "Barn Find" is slang now for any type of vehicle found in any structure with a roof and sides on it as long as the dust and dirt collected on that vehicle actually settled on said vehicle whilst being stored in that structure ;D
Nice KR ;)
Quote from: Bill on June 07, 2018, 09:37:07 PM
Quote from: Topblissgt on June 07, 2018, 09:02:32 PM
Im looking for any past info on it actually. What dealer is 16D017? Has anyone heard of this KR one before? I am looking to buy it actually Bill
Pletcher Ford in Jenkintown, PA is where the car was originally delivered. ;)
Thanks Bill.
# 4379 for the slow kids.
Mr. Liska, the Registrar is in NooooJursey. You should send him an email. I'm sure we can help find some cool paperwork too...
Wait a second, a new guy that can post pictures? What does that say about all the whining going on? LOL
He got help from the barn queen. ;D
Great find 8)
Good luck toward getting that in your "barn"!
hmmm... could the license plate in the middle of the grill cause any cooling issues?
Love the "slow kids" comment. Could also apply to some of US seniors in the group as well...
Quote from: mark p on June 08, 2018, 11:58:32 AM
Great find 8)
Good luck toward getting that in your "barn"!
hmmm... could the license plate in the middle of the grill cause any cooling issues?
Mark,
Look closely at the plate thengo through pictures from the old tri states shows in the Poconos. We may have seenthis car before. Sure looks familiar
I personally think every KR looks the same :P
How does the underside look? I've been told that cars in the Tri-stare area occasionally might have the start of some rust. ::)
Quote from: BGlover67 on June 08, 2018, 01:05:38 PM
How does the underside look? I've been told that cars in the Tri-stare area occasionally might have the start of some rust. ::)
rust free
Looks like some neat posters (nostalgic) and racing memorabilia on the walls...nice find. You should try to get these as well! Good luck,
Jack
congrats to the new owner!!
Quote from: Topblissgt on June 19, 2018, 08:18:35 AM
congrats to the new owner!!
Hopefully that's you! If not, I hope you didn't get scooped by posting it on the forum.
it was not me..
Quote from: mark p on June 08, 2018, 11:58:32 AM
Great find 8)
Good luck toward getting that in your "barn"!
hmmm... could the license plate in the middle of the grill cause any cooling issues?
Not in the last several Years it hasn't.................. ::)
Quote from: Topblissgt on June 19, 2018, 11:21:36 AM
it was not me..
Sorry to hear that. I hope you do find what you're looking for. Even though I'm not in the market I do see a fair amount of 68's come up for sale and there are several more that aren't actively advertised, so your next one may be right around the corner.
My garages are full, I never wanted this car :)
Quote from: kjspeed on June 19, 2018, 03:50:31 PM
Quote from: Topblissgt on June 19, 2018, 11:21:36 AM
it was not me..
Sorry to hear that. I hope you do find what you're looking for. Even though I'm not in the market I do see a fair amount of 68's come up for sale and there are several more that aren't actively advertised, so your next one may be right around the corner.
nice find
Quote from: Topblissgt on June 19, 2018, 07:26:43 PM
My garages are full, I never wanted this car :)
Quote from: kjspeed on June 19, 2018, 03:50:31 PM
Quote from: Topblissgt on June 19, 2018, 11:21:36 AM
it was not me..
Sorry to hear that. I hope you do find what you're looking for. Even though I'm not in the market I do see a fair amount of 68's come up for sale and there are several more that aren't actively advertised, so your next one may be right around the corner.
Were you being sarcastic? Post #4 said you were looking to buy it.
Nice color
If this is same car I looked at about 1999 it is pretty rough . it was stored away after a bad restoration.
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/1968-shelby-gt500kr-22k-miles-discovered-orchard/
Quote from: gt350shelb on June 20, 2018, 12:36:34 PM
If this is same car I looked at about 1999 it is pretty rough . it was stored away after a bad restoration.
Not the same car
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/classic-cars/1968-shelby-gt500kr-with-22k-miles-discovered-in-orchard/ar-AAyVL75?li=BBnb7Kz
My definition of "exceptionally well preserved" must be a little different. Lol
;)
Interesting hood seal attacment....
Quote from: Coralsnake on June 21, 2018, 08:29:50 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/classic-cars/1968-shelby-gt500kr-with-22k-miles-discovered-in-orchard/ar-AAyVL75?li=BBnb7Kz
I already posted that link 2 posts ago.
Quote from: Coralsnake on June 21, 2018, 08:36:54 AM
My definition of "exceptionally well preserved" must be a little different. Lol
;)
Yea, not a spot of rust, not one dent and not one ripped interior component over a 50 year span is not well preserved.
Missing snorkel, heat shield, s-tube, starter delay, complete smog system, fan shroud and a few other parts in the engine bay. The intake looks to have been replaced. Car has the wrong gauges and the wrong shifter. Someone installed a manual choke, so at least part of the carb has been dismantled. There look to be a few other switches added under the dash. No wheel lip mooldings or fender emblems indicates it may have been repainted....it has the wrong shocks, wrong tires, oil cap, radiator cap, battery, etc...and those are just some of the things I can see in the photos...we are easily approaching $10,000 in missing and replaced parts.
You dont really want to challenge that statement do you?
It has a lot of originality, but falls short of "exceptional" in my opinion, but I have seen a lot of nice, original cars.
Quote from: Coralsnake on June 21, 2018, 10:15:28 AM
Missing snorkel, heat shield, s-tube, starter delay, complete smog system, fan shroud and a few other parts in the engine bay. The intake looks to have been replaced. Car has the wrong gauges and the wrong shifter. Someone installed a manual choke, so at least part of the carb has been dismantled. There look to be a few other switches added under the dash. No wheel lip mooldings or fender emblems indicates it may have been repainted....it has the wrong shocks, wrong tires, etc...and those are just some of the things I can see in the photos...we are easily approaching $10,000 in missing and replaced parts.
You dont really want to challenge that statement do you?
It has a lot of originality, but falls short of "exceptional" in my opinion, but I have seen a lot of nice, original cars.
Sure I do.. The car is a normal day 2 type car in near perfect preserved condition. The original intake is also included. You are wrong. But then again its just your opinion which really don't matter, because its not your car or $.
Oh BTW- its 100% original paint too
Which part is wrong?
The part were I said "maybe repainted" ?
Because every other thing I listed is accurate.
I am not sure what your connection is to the car, but trust me when I say, there are exceptional examples out there, but a car missing thousands of dollars of parts that has been modified and neglected isnt one of them.
If you think it is, thats your opinion. Im not going to say it doesnt matter, because it tells us a lot about you.
again, its your opinion, which matters very little. Maybe in your mind its a dandy thing, but to the rest of us it means nothing
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again, its your opinion, which matters very little. Maybe in your mind its a dandy thing, but to the rest of us it means nothing
You cant challenge the facts, so a personal insult is a good fall back.
I will provide you with a few examples of exceptionally well preserved cars, so you might understand the difference.
http://www.scottfullerreproductions.com/page/page/5235457.htm (http://www.scottfullerreproductions.com/page/page/5235457.htm)
Several of these cars ( including the 1968 Shelbys ) are exceptional and unrestored.
Quote from: Coralsnake on June 21, 2018, 11:14:09 AM
You cant challenge the facts, so a personal insult is a good fall back.
I will provide you with a few examples of exceptionally well preserved cars, so you might understand the difference.
http://www.scottfullerreproductions.com/page/page/5235457.htm (http://www.scottfullerreproductions.com/page/page/5235457.htm)
Several of these cars ( including the 1968 Shelbys ) are exceptional and unrestored.
No personal insults, just the facts. If you are insulted(your words) then it is what it is.. You would *think* a guy like you who loves these cars would be happy to see one unearthed, in such such great shape, (original sheet metal and fiberglass). You would think.. But I guess not.. I know I am happy for the new owner, who got an amazing KR. Hes a great guy too. Try to be happy for others, its goes a long way in this short time we are here on this great Earth
Quote from: Topblissgt on June 21, 2018, 11:30:48 AM
I know I am happy for the new owner, who got an amazing KR. Hes a great guy too. Try to be happy for others, its goes a long way in this short time we are here on this great Earth
+ 1
we love the way you think
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on June 21, 2018, 11:40:45 AM
Quote from: Topblissgt on June 21, 2018, 11:30:48 AM
I know I am happy for the new owner, who got an amazing KR. Hes a great guy too. Try to be happy for others, its goes a long way in this short time we are here on this great Earth
+ 1
we love the way you think
Thanks Tony :)
Quote from: Coralsnake on June 21, 2018, 10:15:28 AM
Missing snorkel, heat shield, s-tube, starter delay, complete smog system, fan shroud and a few other parts in the engine bay. The intake looks to have been replaced. Car has the wrong gauges and the wrong shifter. Someone installed a manual choke, so at least part of the carb has been dismantled. There look to be a few other switches added under the dash. No wheel lip mooldings or fender emblems indicates it may have been repainted....it has the wrong shocks, wrong tires, oil cap, radiator cap, battery, etc...and those are just some of the things I can see in the photos...we are easily approaching $10,000 in missing and replaced parts.
You dont really want to challenge that statement do you?
It has a lot of originality, but falls short of "exceptional" in my opinion, but I have seen a lot of nice, original cars.
I'm not following you Pete. Has the 140 speedo and 8K tach. also the chrome border around the high beam light indicator.
Um he means the under dash gauges which aren't even close....
Correct, both of the gauges in the console have been changed.
I dont think I have denegrated the owner, the car or the fact it was "found". I am merely pointing out the people who are either misinformed, ignorant or willfully misrepresenting the car. ..and now that they have been checked, they dont like it and have chosen to go on personal attacks.
:'(
I think the car,if truly rust free ,would be a good start for someone wanting to restore..However ,to me,it doesn't seem to be a great example of a "day two" car...Generally that would involve more performance upgrades/modifications..Frankly with this example(based on pics)it seems more likely that stuff just broke (later as opposed to in period)and got replaced with what was available...Mio due Euro.......
Pics are on the first page of this topic.
dont know how to say this so i am just going to say it....neither of our cars have original air in the tires.
stop, they dont even have original tires......the shame is real...
then in a real heavy accent they heard; OH NO LAWRENCE ! THAT CAN NOT BE TRUE !
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Topblissgt.....I think your statements "Bill, I am actually looking to buy it" and then changing to "I never wanted this car" makes you seem very insincere if not down right misleading. I know, you don't care...yada,yada,yada.
Being that you don't own the car stop defending it as I don't see anyone attacking it. It seems like a good unrestored driver and no one, including you (unless you are the original owner that drove it from the lot) knows if it is the original paint. Does it matter, to some yes and to most no.
The people on here are knowledgeable and some know exactly what screw, type, tread, color etc... should be on every inch of a Shelby so unless you do, take their comments as constructive. No one is saying the car is junk or a POS, but it is not a time capsule and I hope the new owner runs the wheels off of it!
We can say some of it has been repainted. I just noticed the black tail light panel....
Oh, that stood out right away, and the old style oil fill on the intake. :o
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on June 21, 2018, 01:42:53 PM
dont know how to say this so i am just going to say it....neither of our cars have original air in the tires.
stop, they dont even have original tires......the shame is real...
then in a real heavy accent they heard; OH NO LAWRENCE ! THAT CAN NOT BE TRUE !
(http://i1175.photobucket.com/albums/r626/SEFLSAACRegion/Mobile%20Uploads/20180224_110608_1519488378868_zps9hzsbule.png) (http://s1175.photobucket.com/user/SEFLSAACRegion/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20180224_110608_1519488378868_zps9hzsbule.png.html)
(http://i1175.photobucket.com/albums/r626/SEFLSAACRegion/Mobile%20Uploads/20180510_145935_1525978891649_zpshdltabon.jpg) (http://s1175.photobucket.com/user/SEFLSAACRegion/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20180510_145935_1525978891649_zpshdltabon.jpg.html)
(http://i1175.photobucket.com/albums/r626/SEFLSAACRegion/Mobile%20Uploads/20180227_194738_1519787257139_1519824254157_zpsaozx6ax4.jpg) (http://s1175.photobucket.com/user/SEFLSAACRegion/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20180227_194738_1519787257139_1519824254157_zpsaozx6ax4.jpg.html)
. Well when I bought my 67 in 82 it had an original speedway 350(bald)on an original mag star (rusty)as a spare in the trunk...had some air in it then,and still does....so....you never know :D
Another couple ?s come to mind on this one.A.Original motor?and(more importantly)B.Does that thing run?
Im free to defend any car i want whether I own it or not. I was not aware you have to own a car to defend it, which is odd because the people who are criticizing it don't own it, but that seems to be ok
Quote from: Greg on June 21, 2018, 02:36:18 PM
Topblissgt.....I think your statements "Bill, I am actually looking to buy it" and then changing to "I never wanted this car" makes you seem very insincere if not down right misleading. I know, you don't care...yada,yada,yada.
Being that you don't own the car stop defending it as I don't see anyone attacking it. It seems like a good unrestored driver and no one, including you (unless you are the original owner that drove it from the lot) knows if it is the original paint. Does it matter, to some yes and to most no.
The people on here are knowledgeable and some know exactly what screw, type, tread, color etc... should be on every inch of a Shelby so unless you do, take their comments as constructive. No one is saying the car is junk or a POS, but it is not a time capsule and I hope the new owner runs the wheels off of it!
Quote from: 557 on June 21, 2018, 03:25:02 PM
Another couple ?s come to mind on this one.A.Original motor?and(more importantly)B.Does that thing run?
A. Yes
B. it runs great
people, i just want to say, you know, can we all get along?
famous words by the late Mr. Rodney King
Quote.....I think your statements "Bill, I am actually looking to buy it" and then changing to "I never wanted this car" makes you seem very insincere if not down right misleading. I know, you don't care...yada,yada,yada.
Correct. I think someones upset their unrealistic expectation of the price, wasnt accepted by the estate. Now they have backed themselves into a corner and have no way to save face.
Defend on, my good man, defend on....I see a " you guys are all aholes" coming....
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on June 21, 2018, 07:03:27 PM
people, i just want to say, you know, can we all get along?
famous words by the late Mr. Rodney King
Apparently not. This is what an unmoderated forum looks like. >:(
Quote from: Topblissgt on June 21, 2018, 06:53:25 PM
Im free to defend any car i want whether I own it or not. I was not aware you have to own a car to defend it, which is odd because the people who are criticizing it don't own it, but that seems to be ok
Nobody is criticizing the car, only the description/hype.
Just a car boys.....(It ain't world peace....and by that I don't mean the former R. Artest ;D)
" NEWS FLASH " The new owner was so upset about all this negative post on this forum. He drove the car into the lake and left it. Then jumped off the Bridge!!. More details tonight on on Channel 8. Another Shelby lost.
What lake?Restorable?I could use a (slightly soggy)68.......
Quote from: 557 on June 22, 2018, 09:44:30 AM
What lake?Restorable?I could use a (slightly soggy)68.......
Its too soon, you have to let it marinate at the bottom of the lake for 30 years to command the "barn find/original/unrestored/WOW factor for the BIG money... ;D
Humor and the "good life" seem to go hand-in-hand. Funny people seem to move effortlessly through the world.
Laugh as often as you can , life is shot and you don't know what's awaiting just around the corner.
Quote from: Steve Z on June 22, 2018, 07:45:01 AM
" NEWS FLASH " The new owner was so upset about all this negative post on this forum. He drove the car into the lake and left it. Then jumped off the Bridge!!. More details tonight on on Channel 8. Another Shelby lost.
LOL too funny Steve. I hope he at least saved the incorrect gauges, shifter and painted rear panel before it went under
Quote from: Tired Sheep on June 21, 2018, 08:10:49 PM
Quote.....I think your statements "Bill, I am actually looking to buy it" and then changing to "I never wanted this car" makes you seem very insincere if not down right misleading. I know, you don't care...yada,yada,yada.
Correct. I think someones upset their unrealistic expectation of the price, wasnt accepted by the estate. Now they have backed themselves into a corner and have no way to save face.
Defend on, my good man, defend on....I see a " you guys are all aholes" coming....
umm no. I don't gave the garage space to buy another car. If I wanted it, I would have bought it. Six cars are enough for me. If you must know the truth, I was going to buy it, take it to MCACN and put in the barn finds section this year then flip it, but this car deserved more
Quote from: Topblissgt on June 22, 2018, 10:56:56 AM
Quote from: Steve Z on June 22, 2018, 07:45:01 AM
" NEWS FLASH " The new owner was so upset about all this negative post on this forum. He drove the car into the lake and left it. Then jumped off the Bridge!!. More details tonight on on Channel 8. Another Shelby lost.
LOL too funny Steve. I hope he at least saved the incorrect gauges, shifter and painted rear panel before it went under
It's a 3-speed shifter handle. I'm sure the past owner knew that and just wanted something to grab on to, to shift the gears ::)
The original probably got stolen, replaced. etc,. over the last 50 years and the owner just threw the 3-speed knob on there.
Just to add to the discussion:
https://barnfinds.com/1968-shelby-gt500kr-barn-find-revealed/?utm_campaign=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Newsletter+(Daily)&utm_content=imagelink
Apparently there are a few that would kick a super model out of bed because they heard a fart under the blanket. SHEESH just sayin that's what makes the world go around, different cars for different people. If there are any more barn finds that no one is interested in please PM me. I wont complain or pick it apart I will aim my truck and trailer in your direction QUICKLY.
I fear this is quickly turning into the Shelby version of VMF
Quote from: caspian65 on June 21, 2018, 09:14:13 PM
Nobody is criticizing the car, only the description/hype.
Exactly...
I feel like this is a waste of time to repeat but no one is picking apart the car. Read the description and go back and look at the photos and comments by the folks who know these cars. "exceptionally well preserved" is issue, not the car.
It's a great find and a great car but if it goes public as-is, do you really want unknowing folks to think this is standard for "exceptionally well preserved"?
Seriously, Forum 2.0 has become more emotion and less facts. #@(* #^@ soap opera.
Quote from: Coralsnake on June 22, 2018, 02:23:59 PM
I fear this is quickly turning into the Shelby version of VMF
What some view as "picking a car apart", others like me view as education. I appreciate knowing what is and is not factory correct. As I said in a previous post, not one person said the car was junk or they wouldn't buy it if given the opportunity. Lets don't make the forum so fickle that the ones that are educated in concours can't comment without being attacked.
The funny part is that NO ONE asked for anyone's opinion on what was correct or incorrect. I went thru all the posts and there was not a single statement like, "what do you guys think of this find?? "What is incorrect or correct"
Yet, we still get those here why are picking apart this persons amazing find.
Quote from: Topblissgt on June 22, 2018, 09:30:07 PM
The funny part is that NO ONE asked for anyone opinion on what was correct or incorrect. I wenrt thru all the post and there was not a single statement like, "what do you guys think of this find?? "What is incorrect or correct"
Yet, we still get those here why are picking apart this persons amazing find.
I think you are seeing this the wrong way. This is a forum dedicated to Shelby's with experts in attendance that judge any car brought to the table for correctness. A lot of these guys are ones on the show field and they use every opportunity to help others with correct factory components and markings. They also look out for anyone considering buying a car just like they did when you asked for information, remember? These are not a bunch of guys with a case of beer oohing and aahing over their first Shelby. Most of the people here own at least one or have owned several over the years. You immediately jumped to "they are criticizing my amazing find".
I promise, you and anyone looking to get a deal would use ever bit of their honest evaluations to drive the price down (pointing out all the non-correct things) against its current owner.
Barn finds bring out the best and worst in people. Just depends whos at the barn door first. First guy is usually the happy one.
Quote from: Topblissgt on June 22, 2018, 09:30:07 PM
The funny part is that NO ONE asked for anyone opinion on what was correct or incorrect. I wenrt thru all the post and there was not a single statement like, "what do you guys think of this find?? "What is incorrect or correct"
Yet, we still get those here why are picking apart this persons amazing find.
You posted pictures, asked for information, mentioned you were looking to buy it and posted links, all in the
68 Shelby section of the SAAC forums...... what did you expect? Silence? Seriously... >:(
Correct is correct...period...Why someone would be offended to hear that something is incorrect(especially on someone else's car is beyond me)..Personally I appreciate it when somebody "picks apart"my car.....Knowledge =Good.It is called learning.You stop learning when you die(at least if you're curious like me)mia due euro
QuoteIm looking for any past info on it actually. What dealer is 16D017? Has anyone heard of this KR one before? I am looking to buy it actually
The original comments about the description of the car weren't even directed at you personally. They were directed at an online author.
I seem to recall a guy called Shane and a few others....followed the same pattern. They got upset when the truth was stated, because it was the nicest unrestored car they had ever seen and didnt like the feedback they got. Well, some people have a lot more experience and knowledge....
One of two things is at work here...either you were bragging because because you actually knew about the car and the forum collectively was not as impressed as you or...
...you genuinely wanted info and when you couldnt step up, you became offended. Its okay, weve all been there. We are here to help.
I dont like calling out people on a personal basis, but since you wont let it go and continue to say the car is being picked apart, I feel its necessary. If you want help, the people here are the best in the world. If you want to continue to be offended, that is your choice.
This forum has never allowed people without facts, to make false claims about these cars.
That includes descriptions about condition. Those things have a way of attaching themselves to the cars.
I will continue to defend 1968s and represent them accurately, just like I do on my 1968 Shelby website or when I wrote parts of the Shelby American World Registry.
Quote from: Coralsnake on June 23, 2018, 08:05:10 AM
QuoteIm looking for any past info on it actually. What dealer is 16D017? Has anyone heard of this KR one before? I am looking to buy it actually
I seem to recall a guy called Shane and a few others....followed the same pattern. They were upset because it was the nicest unrestored car they had ever seen and didnt like the feedback they got. Well, some people have a lot more experience and knowledge....
One of two things is at work here...either you were bragging because because you actually knew about the car and the forum collectively was not as impressed as you or...
...you genuinely wanted info and when you couldnt step up, you became offended. Its okay, weve all been there. We are here to help.
I dont like calling out people on a personal basis, but since you wont let it go and continue to say the car is being picked apart, I feel its necessary.
This forum has never allowed people without facts, to make false claims about these cars.
That includes descriptions about condition. Those things have a way of sttaching themselves to the cars.
I will continue to defend 1968s and represent them accurately, just like I do on my 1968 Shelby website or when I wrote parts of the Shelby American World Registry.
รท 1 very well expressed
Im not offended in any way. I know what is correct and what is not before anyone added their 2 cents here. I was hoping the new owner would get positive feedback not 'debbie downer' comments. Maybe a 'high five' and a congrats to the new proud owner. Thats all.
Topblissgt,
It's clear that you feel people are picking the car apart and that there should have been more support for the car when you posted / discussed it. And, its also clear (to be honest) that you won't see people's responses any other way. I understand, but I don't agree.
The heart of the issue (IMO) is that there were claims made about the car that are inaccurate - mainly, the claim that the car was so original.
As has been mentioned previously, this forum is run by and supported by enthusiasts of all levels when it comes to knowledge. I will happily admit that I am a novice, but I'm learning from the people of this forum everyday.
Here's what I've found to be true about this forum: if you come in thinking you know what's what without facts, you'll get torched, as most of the people of this forum are not only passionate about these cars, but they are also EXTREMELY knowledgeable. What I also know (from my very first posts on the old forum) is that representing things about a car as they are is ALSO supported. Let me share a quick example.
I have an early 1967 Shelby GT350, and during the initial restoration, I made the decision to install some "not correct" parts on my car (an aftermarket aluminum radiator, aftermarket dash, etc.). I posted pictures of the process online, and feared the worst. The reaction? "That's awesome! Drive the wheels off that thing!" NO ONE criticized what I was doing with the car, as I never came across as misrepresenting what the car was or what I was doing to it.
Fast forward to after the restoration was complete, and I attended SAAC 42 last year (my first SAAC event). I had been in touch with 2 extremely knowledgeable people regarding 1967 Shelbys (Bob Gaines and JD). Bob offered to have me assist with judging at SAAC 42, as I was eager to learn more, so I did. That experience not only taught me a ton about the 67s, but it also changed my mind on what I wanted to do next with my car. Literally, I came back from that event and started a multi-month process of returning my car to concours status. Again, I posted pictures of the process, and not once did anyone give me a heard time, even though I kept a few things non-original (who doesn't love a great sounding aftermarket exhaust! ;)).
Here's the point - the forum (in aggregate) supports all cars (my experience). What the forum does not support are misleading claims. Again, had the car not been touted as being incredibly original, there would have been high fives all around. However, the people of this forum will not allow someone to share misleading information or make bold claims that don't align.
I don't know if this helps at all, but this is my experience. And, BTW - these are the same people who will answer questions via phone at 1am about the the correct engine bay overspray and the soft edge needed towards the firewall side of the front fenders (thanks, JD!)
In the end, don't miss out on the blessing of what this forum can be for you or the current owner. And, in the words of a friend "It's time to move on".
Just my 2 cents...
Quote from: Coralsnake on June 23, 2018, 08:05:10 AM
QuoteIm looking for any past info on it actually. What dealer is 16D017? Has anyone heard of this KR one before? I am looking to buy it actually
The original comments about the description of the car weren't even directed at you personally. They were directed at an online author.
I seem to recall a guy called Shane and a few others....followed the same pattern. They got upset when the truth was stated, because it was the nicest unrestored car they had ever seen and didnt like the feedback they got. Well, some people have a lot more experience and knowledge....
One of two things is at work here...either you were bragging because because you actually knew about the car and the forum collectively was not as impressed as you or...
...you genuinely wanted info and when you couldnt step up, you became offended. Its okay, weve all been there. We are here to help.
I dont like calling out people on a personal basis, but since you wont let it go and continue to say the car is being picked apart, I feel its necessary. If you want help, the people here are the best in the world. If you want to continue to be offended, that is your choice.
This forum has never allowed people without facts, to make false claims about these cars.
That includes descriptions about condition. Those things have a way of attaching themselves to the cars.
I will continue to defend 1968s and represent them accurately, just like I do on my 1968 Shelby website or when I wrote parts of the Shelby American World Registry.
Amen!!! I have learned so much here and will continue to learn so much more here ;)
I read things differently... It appeared he had found a BARN FIND-LEFT FOR DEAD-FORGOTTEN what ever you want to call it. Where else will someone find a car in that condition left for dead for decades. Cool find for anyone, it is mostly there and mostly not screwed with. Now if someone wants to get their hairs bristled by a newbie posting things to get in the mix here I suggest we all lighten up and not make them run away like was done in previous years. Case in point... I have been racing,restoring,showing and enjoying these cars for the past 40 years. A few years ago I was selling an original engine out of my 66 GT 350. I posted some pictures of it and was met with half witted, hair brained,knucklehead answers like... How come the engine is painted black,it has a Fram filter on it, The dual quad intake is not original. No SH-- SHELBY non experts I put those items on there. Point is it was an ORIGINAL engine with matching numbers. If I didn't have leather for skin and lots of scar tissue I would have left like many did NEVER to return. Lets keep this ever shrinking family of SHELBY lovers strong and try real hard not to run anyone else off. ;)
I don't think we are "AGAINST"anything here except misinformation...If that is allowed in it becomes a slippery slope.People can then refer to things as fact(like that there were a bunch o factory installed 427s in 67 for example)because they saw it here and that muddies the truth.Then ,as a practical matter,how do you correctly restore a car to factory specs?
Quote from: 427heaven on June 23, 2018, 02:20:57 PM
I read things differently... It appeared he had found a BARN FIND-LEFT FOR DEAD-FORGOTTEN what ever you want to call it. Where else will someone find a car in that condition left for dead for decades. Cool find for anyone, it is mostly there and mostly not screwed with. Now if someone wants to get their hairs bristled by a newbie posting things to get in the mix here I suggest we all lighten up and not make them run away like was done in previous years. Case in point... I have been racing,restoring,showing and enjoying these cars for the past 40 years. A few years ago I was selling an original engine out of my 66 GT 350. I posted some pictures of it and was met with half witted, hair brained,knucklehead answers like... How come the engine is painted black,it has a Fram filter on it, The dual quad intake is not original. No SH-- SHELBY non experts I put those items on there. Point is it was an ORIGINAL engine with matching numbers. If I didn't have leather for skin and lots of scar tissue I would have left like many did NEVER to return. Lets keep this ever shrinking family of SHELBY lovers strong and try real hard not to run anyone else off. ;)
Since Pete Disher AKA Coralsnake is the one at the forefront of the debate over the description hype about how well preserved that has been posted on these many pages I can only assume you are referring to him with your engine No SH-- SHELBY non experts example . I don't know about you but I consider Peter Disher a expert on 68 Shelby's. His credentials support that observation. He also gives informed expert opinions. Respectfully your example does not apply here given the person you are referring to.
Respectfully you got it wrong Bob- You are pulling in an old thread to this new one. I believe Pete is smart enough to know that Fram orange filter is not an ORIGINAL filter to my 66 or the engine color etc. Point being I was selling an ORIGINAL engine with the correct numbers, that is how it was represented no one cares what color it was painted or what filter it had on it etc. This lends itself to the present thread that someone found a barn find Shelby all he wanted was to share that he found it without a dissertation that it has a couple of infractions for judging. I as well as most on here appreciate your help as well as others, where we should draw a line is when someone that truly couldn't find his A-- with both hands we know who they are remark about ignorant statements like the proverbial it has a CAUTION FAN STICKER :'( or it has a FRAM filter on it, if they have no real educational input or real world experience they should keep it zipped because they are just blowin hot air.
Quote from: 427heaven on June 23, 2018, 06:11:32 PM
Respectfully you got it wrong Bob- You are pulling in an old thread to this new one. I believe Pete is smart enough to know that Fram orange filter is not an ORIGINAL filter to my 66 or the engine color etc. Point being I was selling an ORIGINAL engine with the correct numbers, that is how it was represented no one cares what color it was painted or what filter it had on it etc. This lends itself to the present thread that someone found a barn find Shelby all he wanted was to share that he found it without a dissertation that it has a couple of infractions for judging. I as well as most on here appreciate your help as well as others, where we should draw a line is when someone that truly couldn't find his A-- with both hands we know who they are remark about ignorant statements like the proverbial it has a CAUTION FAN STICKER :'( or it has a FRAM filter on it, if they have no real educational input or real world experience they should keep it zipped because they are just blowin hot air.
Excuse me for belaboring the point but you were the one making the comparison by offering a example how would I think you were talking about someone else otherwise? Pete was the one listing all of the items not original or items that had been changed form original not someone else. If you were not trying to label someone as a No SH-- SHELBY non experts then you should not have used that example. In reading I didn't see anyone else wading in with other perceived incorrect items other then Pete so you can understand why I perceived your labels pertained to him. Peter Disher HAS real educational input as well as real world experience and I hope he continues to speak up when unrealistic comments are expressed so that the uninformed are helped to become informed.
I nervously jump in on this thread. Awesome find, with some of the pointers here the path to "restore" is probably more apparent. Lots of good info that is just waiting to be tapped to get that car looking even better. That you lowered pictures is a mastery I have yet to consistently acquire.
On that note, a pal of mine also found a 68 GT500 KR same color and 4 speed numbers matching from front to back including the carb...literally a barn find stored away.
Funny thing was when he messaged me with his find my immediate response was for him to contact the Coralsnake ASAP and proceed very carefully relying on Pete's knowledge. Not sure if he did that yet.
Now I don't know Pete well but I did need some advice on perfecting a 69 project and he was very good at helping me correct some of the items on the car even if it was just placement of bolts and color marking coordination.
So, very cool find. Awesome knowledge here and really helps to focus one's efforts so you don't have to guess what is most correct and waste time and money.
Probably even a few of those rare parts needed here to get that project going. In my short few years in this business those parts are getting rarer. What will be impossible to replace are the experts here when they are gone. Unless they passed on the knowledge to the family it will be gone forever.
So a little tribute to all the Shelby folks here I guess. From barn finder to Shelby Quality Restoration Minders.
I'm just getting old I guess.
Stubee
Quote from: gt350shelb on June 20, 2018, 12:36:34 PM
If this is same car I looked at about 1999 it is pretty rough . it was stored away after a bad restoration.
Could this be the same car that was in the Long Valley/Hackettstown area in that time period?
nope. Its always been in Pa and Cinnaminson NJ
Quote from: Bill on June 24, 2018, 06:01:00 AM
Quote from: gt350shelb on June 20, 2018, 12:36:34 PM
If this is same car I looked at about 1999 it is pretty rough . it was stored away after a bad restoration.
Could this be the same car that was in the Long Valley/Hackettstown area in that time period?
I dig it. Nice to see one survive without LeMans stripes.