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The Cars => 1967 Shelby GT350/500 => Topic started by: 2112 on January 22, 2018, 11:43:32 AM

Title: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: 2112 on January 22, 2018, 11:43:32 AM
Seeing pictures taken back in the day, be it the 60's or 70's often have great information on how the cars were fitted.

This picture came up today on another thread. I had not seen it before. It appears to be a mostly stock, later production, '67 GT500. Note the Thermactor system is in place, but the valve covers are Shelby branded.

Bob, Dave, JD, do you have any background on this picture?

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Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: JD on January 22, 2018, 12:52:31 PM
On the old forum there was a few posts regarding that image and a higher-res one too.

It, as you can guess, it was from a magazine article but I don't remember off-hand which magazine.

Yes, a few items are not "correct" and I'm sure Bob G can point them out.  (sorry Bob but looks like another that you are best to address)



Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Bob Gaines on January 22, 2018, 12:57:06 PM
Seeing pictures taken back in the day, be it the 60's or 70's often have great information on how the cars were fitted.

This picture came up today on another thread. I had not seen it before. It appears to be a mostly stock, later production, '67 GT500. Note the Thermactor system is in place, but the valve covers are Shelby branded.

Bob, Dave, JD, do you have any background on this picture?

.
It was a article in Popular Mechanics. I believe at least some of the subject matter had to do with changing valve covers.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: 67411F--0100-ENG. on January 22, 2018, 01:13:30 PM
Seeing pictures taken back in the day, be it the 60's or 70's often have great information on how the cars were fitted.

This picture came up today on another thread. I had not seen it before. It appears to be a mostly stock, later production, '67 GT500. Note the Thermactor system is in place, but the valve covers are Shelby branded.

Bob, Dave, JD, do you have any background on this picture?

.
It was a article in Popular Mechanics. I believe at least some of the subject matter had to do with changing valve covers.


Hello,

I thought the photo was from an article in Popular Hot Rodding or Drag Racer.  Bob may be right with Popular Mechanics, though.  I have the magazine, but don't have time to go find it right now.  The article was about fine tuning (carbs and timing) the GT500 for drag racing.  Probably brought about by the slow 1/4 mile times 0100 turned for Car and Driver, Road and Track, and Sports Car Graphic.

Thanks,
Eric
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: J_Speegle on January 22, 2018, 04:58:25 PM
I thought the photo was from an article in Popular Hot Rodding or Drag Racer.  .....................

I've got it from Popular Hot Rodding.  Have the mag here on the shelf somewhere  ::)
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: 2112 on January 22, 2018, 05:01:42 PM
If anyone has the hi-res version, could I ask that you e-mail that my direction?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: 67_1183 on January 22, 2018, 08:37:54 PM
If no one else has responded, I have it in 1213 x 1603 425 KB jpg.

If someone has better, I would like it too.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: JD on January 22, 2018, 10:49:35 PM
If no one else has responded, I have it in 1213 x 1603 425 KB jpg.

If someone has better, I would like it too.

Here is what I have, may not better...

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/29-220118225116.jpeg)
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: s2ms on January 23, 2018, 12:06:19 AM
Think this is the one I originally posted on the crashed forum, best version I have...

(http://wasaac.org/temp/67GT500enginebay.jpg)
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: dmg67 on January 23, 2018, 12:31:34 AM
Yes Officer, it's a 428 Police Interceptor Engine....
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: dmg67 on January 23, 2018, 12:36:21 AM
Yep, it's a real 1967 Shelby..
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: dmg67 on January 23, 2018, 12:37:12 AM
Cool Shelby...
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Shelby_r_b on January 23, 2018, 08:18:19 AM
Nice pics, DMG67!  Keep 'em coming!
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: dmg67 on January 24, 2018, 06:23:05 AM
1967 Shelbys waiting for delivery....
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: 557 on January 24, 2018, 08:58:23 PM
Think this is the one I originally posted on the crashed forum, best version I have...

(http://wasaac.org/temp/67GT500enginebay.jpg)
.      Thermactor car eh?California?
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Bob Gaines on January 24, 2018, 10:49:54 PM
Think this is the one I originally posted on the crashed forum, best version I have...

(http://wasaac.org/temp/67GT500enginebay.jpg)
.      Thermactor car eh?California?
Likely but not a forgone conclusion.  Thermactor cars ended up in non mandatory states sometimes. It depended on things like color and trans and if the combination was needed to fill a dealer order somewhere else. Most cars were built by SA on speculation to fill dealer "orders".
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: 67411F--0100-ENG. on January 25, 2018, 12:20:05 AM
Hello Everyone,

Just stating the obvious here, but for want of a little more resolution, that serial number plate would be legible.

Thanks,
Eric
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: rbarkley on January 25, 2018, 05:35:44 PM
I'll take two please!

Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Coralsnake on January 25, 2018, 08:51:47 PM
I think Galpin fans will be very happy soon!
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: 427heaven on January 27, 2018, 10:12:14 AM
I grew up in and around that dealership it has been a part of our family for the past 40 years our good friend ran the parts division for decades. A real Ford persons hangout with G A S garage across the street you can have any ford dream built for you. Cool place!!!
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: shelbydoug on January 27, 2018, 11:01:37 AM
If no one else has responded, I have it in 1213 x 1603 425 KB jpg.

If someone has better, I would like it too.

Here is what I have, may not better...

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/29-220118225116.jpeg)

462? Anyone check the hot sheets from 68? Didn't that car get reported stolen in Michigan and never recovered? Hey Dave?  ;)
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: J_Speegle on January 27, 2018, 05:26:55 PM
462? Anyone check the hot sheets from 68? Didn't that car get reported stolen in Michigan and never recovered? Hey Dave?  ;)

462 isn't the cars Shelby VIN. 67410F7U00462 as you can see, was not a thermactor car  nor  black interior car

The number was possibly an inventory number from whereever they picked the car up from.
The location is not one typically used by San Jose for the second rotation number so likely not that

Looks possibly like a much later car from the other clues in the picture
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Wedgeman on January 27, 2018, 06:06:28 PM
Did those CS valve covers even exist in 1967.......unless the pic is from later on..... :o
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Bob Gaines on January 27, 2018, 06:34:31 PM
Did those CS valve covers even exist in 1967.......unless the pic is from later on..... :o
Yes they were available. Shelby sold the Cobra name to Ford in 67 ( may have sold it earlier but at least was told to stop using it) so the parts CS sold over the counter like intakes ,valve covers ,oil pans etc. had to be marked Shelby or CS . CS was not licensed by Ford to use the Cobra name. They made parts with the Cobra name under contract by Ford to sell to Ford.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: shelbydoug on January 27, 2018, 09:21:21 PM
462? Anyone check the hot sheets from 68? Didn't that car get reported stolen in Michigan and never recovered? Hey Dave?  ;)

462 isn't the cars Shelby VIN. 67410F7U00462 as you can see, was not a thermactor car  nor  black interior car

The number was possibly an inventory number from whereever they picked the car up from.
The location is not one typically used by San Jose for the second rotation number so likely not that

Looks possibly like a much later car from the other clues in the picture

I was just being my regular, sarcastic self and attempting a little humor. Granted...very little.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: J_Speegle on January 27, 2018, 11:02:52 PM
I was just being my regular, sarcastic self and attempting a little humor. Granted...very little.

Shoot and I missed it. Guess I need to turn on the little bubble heads and other pictures to get the full understanding  - Two steins raised 
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Shelby_r_b on January 28, 2018, 08:30:01 AM
1967 Shelbys waiting for delivery....

Good Lord!  Couldn't they get those cars closer to the foliage? 

"Just keep backing until you hear a scratching sound".
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: johnsshelby on February 03, 2018, 06:04:51 PM
Is the GT500 shown here a Mickey Tomson car. I seem to recall a pic like this in late 1967.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: honker on February 04, 2018, 12:00:53 PM
I had this one on the old thread GT350/500 ? ? summer 1967 Mosport, Ontario, Canada.

Mike
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Shelby_r_b on February 04, 2018, 04:49:38 PM
Well, these pictures of 0022 are not historically correct, as noted by the rough paint job and lift kit/wheels and tires, but they are fun to see nonetheless.  These pics were taken by the previous owner when he bought the car in 1973.

...good times!
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Fast Fords on February 06, 2018, 11:31:36 AM
Here is a pic of 910 back in the 70's and a couple of recent pics.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: honker on January 18, 2020, 04:47:10 PM
These were up on the old forum, '67 in front of Washington State Patrol office, I think we had an i.d. on it, or where it was taken ?

Mike
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: FL SAAC on January 18, 2020, 06:04:06 PM
superb thread
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: honker on January 20, 2020, 05:35:10 PM
Here's a GT500 with inboards, as a pace car/promotional car at Soldier Field.

Mike
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: honker on April 26, 2020, 03:29:37 PM
Looking at something unrelated to Shelbys, I looked at this photo dated July 30th. 1967, its at Le Circuit Mt. Tremblant, in the

 province of Quebec, Canada.  and thought "whats that !" never mind that '67 Camaro and hauler which is pretty neat on its own.

 in the background parked behind the pits is a red '67, trunk is open,  looks like 10 spokes, has stripes. I had previously done some

research in my 2011 registry for cars sold in Canada, I might have missed some ? but I only found two red '67s, GT500s, hub cap

 cars, both sold in Quebec through Sud Automobile, both shipped the same day 6/9/67.  #2074  &  #2105. There would be I think

 enough time between delivery and sale and this image for the owner to have stripes painted, and the wheels switched over. I tried

 blowing up the image, but loose too much resolution. One other thing, this was a regional event, so it's not likely you would find

someone from the U.S. competing there. 2011 registry says "present owner/whereabouts not known" since a new '67 registry is in

 the works, maybe there is more information now ?

Mike
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Side-Oilers on April 26, 2020, 03:35:42 PM
Good find!  Does it say "Club Cougar" on the Camaro's R/F fender?
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: 6s2055 on April 26, 2020, 07:58:36 PM
Going way back to the beginning of this post really made me feel old!! The two pictures with San Francisco’s motorcycle cops was me with hair and about 90# lighter! That’s 0962.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Side-Oilers on April 26, 2020, 11:35:47 PM
Think this is the one I originally posted on the crashed forum, best version I have...

(http://wasaac.org/temp/67GT500enginebay.jpg)
.      Thermactor car eh?California?
Likely but not a forgone conclusion.  Thermactor cars ended up in non mandatory states sometimes. It depended on things like color and trans and if the combination was needed to fill a dealer order somewhere else. Most cars were built by SA on speculation to fill dealer "orders".

The man is George Elliott, who at the time was the Editor of Popular Hot Rodding (and my future boss.)  Cool guy, knows his stuff, and is a naturally talented driver/racer.
PHR's offices were in West L.A. 
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: honker on April 27, 2020, 02:06:18 PM
I have about 4or 5 shots of that Shelby with the CHP, great stuff ! Who took the pictures ?

notice how he's casually trying to hide the "Caution Fan" sticker  :D

Reminded me of this ad for the Cobra  ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: s2ms on April 27, 2020, 09:38:38 PM
These were up on the old forum, '67 in front of Washington State Patrol office, I think we had an i.d. on it, or where it was taken ?

Mike

Actually here on the new forum, in the Random car pictures thread, WAY back on pg. 76...

http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=243.msg38900#msg38900 (http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=243.msg38900#msg38900)
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: honker on April 27, 2020, 09:59:32 PM
Following on the red car in the paddock at Le Circuit, July 30th '67, in my post here #34. there were these two on track. I think

the dark car is Gresco. I believe I had these up here before somewhere, forum 1 or more recent, these are different views.

Mike

PS: had the one car in the thread on 67 photos from the web, at that time richstang i.d'd the dark car as Gresko #1427 (there is

some time frame and owner history missing in 2011 registry) and the light car as  Grenier 0762 (jives with info in the 2011

registry)

Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: honker on April 27, 2020, 10:04:49 PM
s2ms, thanks for reposting the link to the car at the Washington State patrol, bigger and better !

Mike
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: owenkelley on April 28, 2020, 12:20:46 AM
Think this is the one I originally posted on the crashed forum, best version I have...

(http://wasaac.org/temp/67GT500enginebay.jpg)
.      Thermactor car eh?California?
Likely but not a forgone conclusion.  Thermactor cars ended up in non mandatory states sometimes. It depended on things like color and trans and if the combination was needed to fill a dealer order somewhere else. Most cars were built by SA on speculation to fill dealer "orders".

The man is George Elliott, who at the time was the Editor of Popular Hot Rodding (and my future boss.)  Cool guy, knows his stuff, and is a naturally talented driver/racer.
PHR's offices were in West L.A.
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Surprising to see theses valve covers on the car way back when.......
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: 557 on April 28, 2020, 01:12:40 AM
Dumb question but that’s a horn on the outside of the hood bumper right?
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: JD on April 28, 2020, 01:17:10 AM
Dumb question but that’s a horn on the outside of the hood bumper right?
Yes, that is where the horns got relocated to on the outboard grille-light cars
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Bob Gaines on April 28, 2020, 01:18:57 AM

Think this is the one I originally posted on the crashed forum, best version I have...

(http://wasaac.org/temp/67GT500enginebay.jpg)
.      Thermactor car eh?California?
Likely but not a forgone conclusion.  Thermactor cars ended up in non mandatory states sometimes. It depended on things like color and trans and if the combination was needed to fill a dealer order somewhere else. Most cars were built by SA on speculation to fill dealer "orders".

The man is George Elliott, who at the time was the Editor of Popular Hot Rodding (and my future boss.)  Cool guy, knows his stuff, and is a naturally talented driver/racer.
PHR's offices were in West L.A.
[/quo


Surprising to see theses valve covers on the car way back when.......
I believe the article was about installing valve covers and the time frame that it occurred in was after Ford bought/took away /what ever the real story is the Cobra trademark in 1967 from SA. Consequently all of the intakes, valve covers,oil pans ,air cleaners  etc. that Shelby sold after market could not use the Cobra trademark from that time forward. Instead the items had to have the Shelby name . Shelby made money promoting the Shelby marked items and not the Cobra marked items so you can understand why they showed up in a article about installing aftermarket valve covers.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: roddster on April 28, 2020, 10:01:11 AM
  Has anyone ever posted the publication date from Popular Hot Rodding?  Must have been in 1968 as that is when "Shelby" branded accesories started being sold.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Bob Gaines on April 28, 2020, 10:52:24 AM
  Has anyone ever posted the publication date from Popular Hot Rodding?  Must have been in 1968 as that is when "Shelby" branded accesories started being sold.
Started being sold in 67.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: gt350hr on April 28, 2020, 11:15:20 AM
   Notice the shock bolts are loose . Maybe he lifted the export brace to pull the covers.  No caution fan sticker!
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on April 28, 2020, 01:32:30 PM
Yes Officer, it's a 428 Police Interceptor Engine....
Sorry officer the throttle stuck but it's ok now.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Special Ed on April 28, 2020, 06:14:46 PM
Hummm   note the 67 PHOSPHATE battery J -bolts in that great detailed photo!   Looks like a #  50 white on rh firewall.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Bob Gaines on April 28, 2020, 08:56:56 PM
Hummm   note the 67 PHOSPHATE battery J -bolts in that great detailed photo!   Looks like a #  50 white on rh firewall.
Early late thing Ed. This a much later outboard light car. Many of the pictures of early cars show SILVER J bolts for example. :D Here is a early vintage magazine photo of car #0050 .
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: 68krrrr on April 28, 2020, 09:38:06 PM
Was the windshield washer bag vs  bottle an early/late thing also ,i see both on 67's all the time
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Bob Gaines on April 28, 2020, 09:44:12 PM
Was the windshield washer bag vs  bottle an early/late thing also ,i see both on 67's all the time
Yep . Approximate March of 67 + or - transition.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: 68krrrr on April 29, 2020, 12:41:48 AM
Ok thanks Bob
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: 557 on April 29, 2020, 12:55:30 AM
Bag,then bottle?
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: J_Speegle on April 29, 2020, 04:36:35 AM
Bag,then bottle?

Yes

Have the possible period of the change over from  March 29th through April 7th 1967
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: tesgt350 on April 29, 2020, 07:10:46 AM
What is this (Red Arrow) 
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: martyjac on April 29, 2020, 07:35:36 AM
It’s a junction block that was used only on early cars. It was sourced from aircraft supply.  On later cars a black one was used that was a Ford part.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Special Ed on April 29, 2020, 10:09:40 AM
On the 67 battery J-bolt finish issue I have some nos c5az autolite packaged j-bolts (only ones I ever found in the old autolite package) and they have a whiteish powder like coating over the phosphate that makes them look silverish in color in that picture however the coating would dissolve after getting wet a few times and disappear. I think from new these j-bolts originally had this coating to protect them from battery acid or whatever. I showed my nos j-bolts to Mr G. years ago as he still is claiming the 67 j-bolts were cad plated but nobody has ever found any used cad plated and I had collected about 50 original of these over the years most from out west rustfree or new take offs and none were cad plated and there is no ford part # change only one c5az # used from 65 to 69. What is it THEY say extraordinary CLAIMS require extraordinary PROOF!! 
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: JD on April 29, 2020, 10:25:19 AM
What is this (Red Arrow) 

It’'s a junction block that was used only on early cars. It was sourced from aircraft supply.  On later cars a black one was used that was a Ford part.

photo of this early junction aircraft part... (later this was changed to use a Ford Lincoln part that is black)

Edit - here is a image of both versions for reference
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Bob Gaines on April 29, 2020, 11:16:13 AM
On the 67 battery J-bolt finish issue I have some nos c5az autolite packaged j-bolts (only ones I ever found in the old autolite package) and they have a whiteish powder like coating over the phosphate that makes them look silverish in color in that picture however the coating would dissolve after getting wet a few times and disappear. I think from new these j-bolts originally had this coating to protect them from battery acid or whatever. I showed my nos j-bolts to Mr G. years ago as he still is claiming the 67 j-bolts were cad plated but nobody has ever found any used cad plated and I had collected about 50 original of these over the years most from out west rustfree or new take offs and none were cad plated and there is no ford part # change only one c5az # used from 65 to 69. What is it THEY say extraordinary CLAIMS require extraordinary PROOF!!
Whitish powder? I wish you had a picture of the ones you showed me to show to others reading. The ones you showed me looked like only half covered. They had a white minimal dusting of something but not entirely white/white which they would have to be to show up as pronounced as those in the black and white picture. Instead you could still see the gray zinc phosphate underneath. It appeared to be more like corrosion of some type to me.  That is why you didn't convince me . I have always theorized that the J bolts had been done for a short period of time in more protective zinc silver like many other bolts ,screws brackets etc. of the same time period and then found to be too expensive and transitioned to less expensive ,less protected zinc phosphate coating instead. The zinc silver would show up bright in the black in white photos like the example . What is more likely ? Zinc silver plating like many other fasteners were plated in the engine compartment ? Or some obscure whitish powder that no one has seen used before? Also which would be the more extraordinary claim?  ;) .   
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: rcgt350 on April 29, 2020, 12:36:16 PM
I know this is off track, but can we assume that the Alternator fan and Pulley were painted black on 67 GT 350’s ? I’m quite sure I’ve seen a few, what I felt were original untouched cars like that, but I don’t have pictures to back it up.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: gt350hr on April 29, 2020, 12:47:24 PM
     Bob,
        Back in the '70s I bought two ( C4"H"Z) hold down bolts ( 3/8ths thread) that were dull zinc or cad plated. They were in a brownish red /tan envelope FoMoCo block lettered, not blue / grey. I don't have a truck MPC to see what they were for but they were perfect for a Boss 429 battery tray I was using at the time. I had never seen another one that was zinc /cad plated.
     Randy
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Bob Gaines on April 29, 2020, 02:42:51 PM
I know this is off track, but can we assume that the Alternator fan and Pulley were painted black on 67 GT 350’s ? I’m quite sure I’ve seen a few, what I felt were original untouched cars like that, but I don’t have pictures to back it up.
Black is not typical IMHO in 67 production however pretty undeniable in the picture.  The transition to the gold pulley and fan started taking place in later 66 production.  I would hesitate to black on anything but the earliest 67 however. We know that the change over was completed to the use of the gold chromate in 67 and didn't change back from examples. What can be said is that the black fan/pulley was at least correct on that specific car. Any cars going forward it gets iffier and iffier. 
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: CharlesTurner on April 29, 2020, 03:37:47 PM
I have little to add other than a couple more early pictures of 67's, which I'm sure some on here have seen before...

Sorry I do not know exactly where I got them from to give proper attribution.

One of the image names has '962', which I assume is the Shelby #
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Bob Gaines on April 29, 2020, 05:43:02 PM
I know this is off track, but can we assume that the Alternator fan and Pulley were painted black on 67 GT 350’s ? I’m quite sure I’ve seen a few, what I felt were original untouched cars like that, but I don’t have pictures to back it up.
You can only assume they were black on very early GT350's and some GT500's.Later production were all gold.  Pictures of 0050 and 0100 show a black fan/pulley . Why I am not sure because up until those pictures research seem to confirm the transition to the gold happened in later 66 production.At the very least there was a time in early 67 production when they were using the last of the black finish fans and pulleys. Pictures of later production 67 cars show gold.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Bob Gaines on April 29, 2020, 05:46:40 PM
Here is a close up of the battery J bolts on 0100 from a 1967 picture. You can see the zinc silver J bolts which show up as white and the darker gray scale nuts that were zinc phosphate.I don't have any reason to believe Ford used that zinc silver finish for much longer.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: platnumheart666 on May 09, 2020, 08:04:25 PM
Shelby #1210 in 1967 Outside WHOO Radio in FL
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: honker on January 03, 2021, 11:08:41 PM
Once again why looking for some thing else  ;) I came across some images on Flicker of a '67 GT350 in the 1971 Press On

 Regardless Rally. This info is from Road & Track magazine, March 1972. The car was entered by Bert Eisenhour w navigator

Warren Harder, both from Chicago. They won class IV (over 2 liter) after sustaining damage to the left side of the car from hitting a

 tree, can be seen in the pics.

I had a quick look through my 2011 Registry, and couldn't find those names. I'm sure some one here can put a # to this car.

I will put up the photos in two posts.

Mike
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: honker on January 03, 2021, 11:12:54 PM
One more of the '67 GT350 in the Press on Regardless Rally, 1971, and part of the write up from Road & Track, March 1972

 where the car is mentioned, bottom of the left column, and top of the right.

I like where the navigator asks the driver to roll up his window because it was a bit draughty  ::) then they discovered a big hole in

 the side of the car  ;D

Mike
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Side-Oilers on January 04, 2021, 12:21:08 AM
What the heck is dragging on the ground on what looks like rope, under each backup light?
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: J_Speegle on January 04, 2021, 12:56:24 AM
What the heck is dragging on the ground on what looks like rope, under each backup light?

Likely plugs that went in the end of the exhaust pipes when they forded large streams  ::)





Heck it's a WAG LOL
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Richstang on January 04, 2021, 09:24:16 AM
One more of the '67 GT350 in the Press on Regardless Rally, 1971, and part of the write up from Road & Track, March 1972

 where the car is mentioned, bottom of the left column, and top of the right.

I like where the navigator asks the driver to roll up his window because it was a bit draughty  ::) then they discovered a big hole in

 the side of the car  ;D

Mike

Excellent; photos and article. I was just discussing this car and the rally over the weekend.
Thanks for posting all of this!
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: roddster on January 04, 2021, 10:09:10 AM
  I've seen this car with the crushed-in quarter a long time ago.  It was displayed at the Chicago-area SCCA booth during one of the Chicago Auto shows in the early 1970's.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: pbf777 on January 04, 2021, 11:01:57 AM
What the heck is dragging on the ground on what looks like rope, under each backup light?


     I would guess lanyards looped over the leaf spring and shackles for pulling one back on to the road after an unintended off road excursion.  Remember: "hope for the best, but always plan for the worst"!    ::)

     Scott.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: gt350hr on January 04, 2021, 04:02:38 PM
   Especially when there are road going alligators in your state.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: pbf777 on January 04, 2021, 04:41:08 PM
   Especially when there are road going alligators in your state.


    So true, but the even greater fear in running off the road, assuming you don't hit a tree, is that although you might have run off the alligators (only temporarily of course   ;)  )  when you made your big slash in the muck, but that the muck will slowly swallow your vehicle out of sight!      :o

    Scott.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: gt350hr on January 05, 2021, 10:51:15 AM
  Yes you are also famous for sink holes LOL.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: pbf777 on January 05, 2021, 01:32:31 PM
  Yes you are also famous for sink holes LOL.


     Yeah, we had a sinkhole open up here several years ago in Winter Park and it swallowed several of the Porsche cars (note that I added "cars" with an "s" here as I haven't decided if it is correct in pluralizing the German cars' name?   :-\  )  at the German Car Services establishment (google it to see the hole!).  You see, in Kentucky the earth swallows up Chevys (now, I know this is grammatically incorrect, but then Chevy guys just don't seem to get the "ies" part    ::)  ), but here in Florida our sinkholes eat high dollar European sports cars!       8)

     Scott.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: gt350hr on January 07, 2021, 11:06:25 AM
   Scott looks like Matt's 500 is going up for sale next week at the Mecum auction in Kissimee. Might be a bargain! looks like nothing has changed.
   Randy
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: oldcanuck on January 07, 2021, 04:50:55 PM
I'm being completely honest Sir ....... that's what Ford calls this 428 engine.   Well it did intercept you and your 3 buddies !
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: CSX 4133 on January 07, 2021, 05:27:36 PM

Lol !  Since none of the officers have their ticket books out he might get off easy.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: 557 on January 07, 2021, 05:39:02 PM
“Dual quads,eh?.?” ;)
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: pbf777 on January 07, 2021, 08:03:12 PM
   Scott looks like Matt's 500 is going up for sale next week at the Mecum auction in Kissimee. Might be a bargain! looks like nothing has changed.
   Randy

     Well, since the car left here, the little light weight fiberglass wrap-a-round boat (?) seats were swapped for O.E.M. high-backs (O.K......one kinda had to have a narrow arse to fit, as it was often quite like the scene in Ford vs. Ferrari where the "Deuce" plops into the GT40, and says: "damn I just sat on my.......",  but still, you would put a Lazy Boy recliner in your GT40!); the Liberty "crash-box" is gone, replaced with something that is somewhat friendlier in shifting I suppose; the Hone-O-Drive is gone (but last I looked the shifting lever mounted on the trans-tunnel was still there!), but then so are the 4.56's & spool, the 10" wide ET mags with the Hoosier "dirts", these having been traded to something more pedestrian; the 3-1/2" to 4-1/2" to 3" under-axle, out the back, straight pipes have been traded for something somewhat more like what belongs on a street car wanting to avoid signalling for the police with each actuation of the throttle (the old gal sounded like a small block at the roundy-round track, and it would rev that quick!); and speaking of throttles, the 8V C7 intake with the sideways mounted 750 D.P.s has been replaced with a 4V dominator abortion, along with the old S.W. electric fuel pumps gone and traded for a Holley electric (sacrilege!); the Accell BEI tach-drive with yellow box and the Jones tach is now an in your face big red MSD stuff; but, that stupid fuel pressure gauge mounted on the cowl in the chrome "bullet" cup that swivels up & down with the acceleration or deceleration of the car is still there!    :o

     The old gal just ain't what she use to be, But then I guess none of us are either!      ::)

     Scott.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: gt350hr on January 08, 2021, 11:19:39 AM
  Next thing will be the hood scoop and all character will be lost! Sad indeed.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: pbf777 on January 08, 2021, 11:36:15 AM
  Next thing will be the hood scoop and all character will be lost! Sad indeed.


     Only something a fellow racer with many years invested in their ride would understand!      8)

     Scott.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: TJinSA on January 15, 2021, 06:35:26 PM
I posted it on the original forum from an issue of Hot Rod Magazine (could have been Pop Hotrodding too)  I still have all the mags, so I will come across it again as I scan them in and dispose of them all
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: honker on May 16, 2021, 04:18:40 PM
I believe this to be J4 being prepped for Sebring '67, there are a number of '67s in the back ground, also the transporter. Where at

 Shelby American was this taken ? Szabo ?

What's going on here ? there is some one in the car also.

Any clearer image of what it says on the side of the lift truck..."Jimmey Clark ????" also looks like the lift truck has a racing stripe

down the side.

Mike
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Richstang on May 16, 2021, 10:08:26 PM
I believe this to be J4 being prepped for Sebring '67, there are a number of '67s in the back ground, also the transporter. Where at

 Shelby American was this taken ? Szabo ?

What's going on here ? there is some one in the car also.

Any clearer image of what it says on the side of the lift truck..."Jimmey Clark ????" also looks like the lift truck has a racing stripe

down the side.

Mike

Mike,
Yes, that photo was taken just before Sebring. It was taken in front of the Race Hanger on the west side of the SAI LAX area.
We can see the sales office in the background. They are finishing details just before loading up to ship out to Florida.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: 6T6/7 on May 17, 2021, 01:36:08 PM
Looks like different wheels than typically seen on the MKIVs?
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: gt350hr on May 17, 2021, 03:57:12 PM
 Yes they look like those on the Gulf cars the following year (BRM?).
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Richstang on May 17, 2021, 11:20:41 PM
The 6-spoke rims show up on J3(?) at the LeMans trails in April 1967. That's the only track I have ever seen them on the MKIV.
At the Trials, the car was also tested on the standard rim were raced on for the rest of the season.


It makes me wonder if the photo Mike (Honker) posted was captioned incorrectly as heading to Sebring.
It might have been heading to France. All the J4 photos at Sebring show the car with the standard MKIV rims.
Could be they were testing both rims versions at LeMans and the 6-spoke didn't make the cut.


What's also strange is the side stripe in Mikes photo doesn't have any 'FORD' lettering on it.
The letters were white at the LeMans trials and body color (yellow) at Sebring.
By the time the MKIV's were at LeMans again in June, they had the reverse C stripes, with the FORD letters just below the stripes.

Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: gt350hr on May 18, 2021, 10:25:00 AM
   I believe it had to do with brake cooling issues. The "common" MKIV wheel was designed by Phil Remmington IIRC specifically to grab air and cool the brakes. The MKIV lacked scoops that the MKIIs had ( obviously).
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: mark p on May 18, 2021, 12:01:43 PM
   I believe it had to do with brake cooling issues. The "common" MKIV wheel was designed by Phil Remmington IIRC specifically to grab air and cool the brakes. The MKIV lacked scoops that the MKIIs had ( obviously).

+1 (going from memory?)... at one of the Simeone Museum talks about the Mk IVs, I believe that it was stated that each wheel [position] is different - due to the "air grabbing" design plus whatever the F-to-R differences are.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Richstang on May 18, 2021, 06:43:16 PM
I'm not trying to be argumentative but, based on the right side Sebring photo above...
and the left side attached here (also from Sebring)...
with the car rolling forward the fins appear to expel hot air, not grab cool air.

The front brakes appear to be cooled by the large ducts coming in from the nose.
I'm not clear on the rear brakes. It looks like a vertical hose up to the body.
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: honker on May 19, 2021, 12:03:00 AM
Rich, I think you are right that the photo is incorrectly captioned as heading to Sebring, when it should read Le Mans. here is a

colour image from the Friedman Shelby GT40 book  with the mistake.

Also a quote about those Mirage style wheels from the April '67 tests at Le Mans from the Ford That beat Ferrari book.

(photo: Dave Friedman)

Mike
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: shelbydoug on May 19, 2021, 07:05:45 AM
I'm not trying to be argumentative but, based on the right side Sebring photo above...
and the left side attached here (also from Sebring)...
with the car rolling forward the fins appear to expel hot air, not grab cool air.

The front brakes appear to be cooled by the large ducts coming in from the nose.
I'm not clear on the rear brakes. It looks like a vertical hose up to the body.

The treads on those tires look like Pirelli P7's?

I remember trying to buy one of those carburetor air chambers from Holman-Moody. They just hung up the phone! LOL!


The wheels to me always resembled the Shelby 10 spokes. Whether or not the fan effect blows or sucks the air is a good question?

Considering the empirical method upon which some of these details derived, there would be a reason to direct the airflow in or out.

One additional factor to consider would be that these cars would also need to be run in the rain. Under severe conditions wet brakes are lethal also. Drying the brakes would also be a consideration of the air flow.

I wouldn't put any of these considerations past Mr. Remington.


Those header tubes are at least 2". I think 2-1/8"? Anyone know the exact dimensions?
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: roddster on May 19, 2021, 10:51:50 AM
Morphing warning: isn't this the 67 GT 350/500 thread? What happened?
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: honker on May 19, 2021, 10:57:42 AM
I guess I side tracked the thread by posting the pic of the '67s behind the Mk. 1V   ::)

back to our regular program !

Mike
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Richstang on May 19, 2021, 01:04:30 PM
Roddster is right, we are off the track.

Moderator  (if there is one reading this.)
The recent posts about the MKIV should be moved into the original GT40 section, where they can be appreciated.
(started at 4:18 pm on May 16th)
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: honker on May 28, 2021, 03:25:14 PM
not a picture, but '67 paper work. Not sure if it's been up here before ?

Mike
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: honker on September 22, 2021, 11:12:13 AM
I think I found these on the old forum, might have been posted before, maybe by FL SAAC ? Sorry they are so small, and the

 resolution is lousy, I didn't enlarge them.

The info with the photos said it's car #26 taken in Florida 1968, from the registry the car was originally sold there. I stand to be

corrected on the I.D.

Mike

Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Bill on September 22, 2021, 11:25:36 AM
Roddster is right, we are off the track.

Moderator  (if there is one reading this.)
The recent posts about the MKIV should be moved into the original GT40 section, where they can be appreciated.
(started at 4:18 pm on May 16th)

Please reach out to "forum guide", as he is the only global moderator/admin with access to split out the topics in this specific subforum.  8)
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: JD on September 22, 2021, 11:36:09 AM
I think I found these on the old forum, might have been posted before, maybe by FL SAAC ? Sorry they are so small, and the resolution is lousy, I didn't enlarge them.

The info with the photos said it's car #26 taken in Florida 1968, from the registry the car was originally sold there. I stand to be

corrected on the I.D.

Mike


I posted those originally, they are of the car I had ('67 GT350 car #26) as noted in the image file names.

I contacted all the previous owners of the car and those were sent to me by the first owner.  He bought the car (as he told me on the phone) one day when he took his '62 Ford convertible in for service at JD Ball Ford (Miami, FL) and saw the Shelby on the delivery truck while he was waiting for his car to get done.  He bought it and traded-in the '62.  That was November 11th of 1966 (Veterans Day).

The photso were of him participating in a speed event in Florida in 1968 as noted.

He had numerous great memories of the car, one of which was driving to Montana and at night really opening it up on a dark highway as there was no traffic - He said that car really liked to run.

He and his wife sold the car in 1971 to fund an around-the-world trip.

The car was on the cover of the 2015 Spring Shelby American and a story on the car on page 29.

Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: owenkelley on September 22, 2021, 12:13:59 PM
1967 Shelby #27 currently resides in Montana, a white GT350. Where did #26 end up?
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: JD on September 22, 2021, 12:32:01 PM
I sold it to my buddy and SAAC Forum member Brian G and he sold it to a guy in California the greater LA area - so I guess you can say it's gone back closer to "home".

I'm not sure who misses it more Brian or me?

I remember seeing #27 advertised in the SAAC Snakebite when I had #26, thought about buying it to have consecutivley numbers cars but the money for the condition and distance was more that I was willing to do.

Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: honker on July 27, 2022, 11:03:50 PM
Just found this one ! '67 GT???, out boards,  dark green, looks to have parchment interior.

Mike
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Tom Honegger on August 08, 2022, 06:25:16 PM
Probably 1980's. 0073 with my brother's American wheels. Just checking
size, to see if 235/60's would fit with lowered springs. Center caps have "AMX"
on them. (big brother had a 1970 AMX)
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: JD on August 08, 2022, 10:58:09 PM
Tom, that looks like it was tight!
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Tom Honegger on August 09, 2022, 10:26:03 AM
Surprisingly, there wasn't any "rub". However, I did go with 225/60's. I had some negative camber
dialed in.  If I was turning hard right or left going into a steep driveway it would "scuff". But normal driving
and even all my open track SAAC events, no problem. Really enjoyed that car!
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: Carl111 on August 09, 2022, 06:33:14 PM
The one picture shows a horn hanging from the hood pin bracket, has anyone seen this before?
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: honker on October 20, 2022, 09:18:23 PM
Cleaning up my files, found this pic, SoCal ?  old E-Bay listing.

Mike
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: JD on October 20, 2022, 11:07:53 PM
The one picture shows a horn hanging from the hood pin bracket, has anyone seen this before?

Sorry, just saw this thread again and your question...do you mean this image and horn? 

If so that is seen on GT500's with outboard grille lights, see attached second & third images (image numbers are not the car number)
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: s2ms on October 21, 2022, 01:27:19 AM
Cleaning up my files, found this pic, SoCal ?  old E-Bay listing.

Mike

Thought that photo looked familiar, we discussed it here....

https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=15148 (https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=15148)
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: honker on October 21, 2022, 01:32:33 PM
Thanks Dave ! How did I miss that  ::)

I'll get my coat ! (old British expression)

Mike
Title: Re: Period pictures, historical perspective
Post by: honker on November 12, 2022, 10:45:01 AM
This one might have been on forum 1, '70s Ohio, do we know these cars, or the person ?

Mike