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Title: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 15, 2018, 02:14:39 AM
Hi Guys,   
   I have been rejuvenated by the outpouring of support from all of you that I met at SAAC 43.  The overall event was amazing, and the Denbeste tour, the Cobra Experience museum, and a ride in the Ford Performance GT 350R around Sonoma Raceway made for an unforgettable experience.   
   So now I'm home, and it's time to get re-started on the restoration of # 444.  It's been a couple of years since you have heard from me about this car, and without going into a lot of detail I feel that an explanation is overdue.  I started on this car in the fall of 2010, and in 2012 my beautiful bride of many years was diagnosed with cancer.  I lost her in 2017, and as you can imagine, the last couple of years have been a blur.
   The restoration project stalled in 2016 when she was very ill, and I haven't been out in the shop to work on the car for about
16 months.  But the mere fact that I can even write this post is an indicator that I am getting better.   To kick off this topic, I thought I would re-post the original posts that evaporated when the forum crashed.  I will add more photos and updates as I go forward in this restoration and the next chapter in life.    Check it out.  Mark

    The Backstory on ‟65 Shelby Mustang G.T.350 # SFM5s444
   Some cars fall off the radar and are never heard from again…   Others go dormant waiting for the right time to resurface.    October 2010 was the right time for # 444.
   This story starts on November 10th, 1965 when Dr. Hankins of Loma Linda, CA walked into Warren Anderson Ford in Riverside CA and bought his dream car.  After a couple years, it was time for something different, and Dr. Hankins traded in the Shelby.   Sometime in 1967 a general contractor named Don Duvall from Yucca Valley, CA bought the car and changed out the ring & pinion to a taller gear since he was commuting about 60 miles a day to & from work.  Don enjoyed the car for a few years in the local area, and eventually sold the car to a local cement contractor Greg Lewis in 1970.   Greg owned and drove the car locally for about 6 months, and one Friday night when Greg was in dire need of some cash, his buddy Lee offered up $ 150 and the pink slip to his ‟66 Mustang GT if Greg would sign over the pink on the Shelby. 
   Yep, Greg signed over the title on the Shelby, and on the following Monday morning, Lee went to the DMV office in 29 Palms and transferred ownership to his name.  Of course, Greg later regretted his decision and asked Lee to un-do their deal and get his Shelby back.   Lee declined.   Lee was 18 in 1970, and he already knew how special the Shelby G.T. 350 was in the world of performance cars.   Lee re-installed the 3.89 Detroit Locker differential and did what any red blooded teenager in Southern California would do at the time.  He drove the wheels off the Shelby.   
   Sometime during the first year of ownership, Lee and the Shelby had a disagreement with a Joshua Tree on the side of the dirt road leading to his dad‟s five acre homesteaded  parcel, and the driver‟s side front fender & headlight were mortally wounded.   The repairs then led to a paint job of white LeMans stripes over a blue base.   The next few years Lee drove the car pretty hard, with a fair amount of street racing ( including me in my ‟69 Mach 1 ) a few minor changes to personalize the car, and always regular service to keep the screaming 289 in tune.   Eventually,  life changed with marriage, a move to a house with no garage, and the Shelby got parked at his dad‟s place in Joshua Tree, CA for safe keeping.     That was in the fall of 1974.  Soon the license tags expired, and Lee would occaisionally go out to his dad‟s place and drive the car around the neighborhood, but inevitably  the brakes got spongy, the battery went dead, and the relentless sun and wind in the desert shredded the car covers.   Lee decided that someday, he would restore the car back to original condition.
   As the years rolled by from about 1975 to present, I would see Lee around town every couple of years and ask him if he still had the car.  He always said  “ Yes, and it‟s not for sale”.  Lee says that he has had many offers over the years from people that knew he had the car somewhere, but he never would sell.  Lee always felt that someday, he would be the one to bring her back to life.
   Fast forward to September 2010, when my wife and I are talking about getting a project car to restore, and Lee‟s Shelby comes to mind.   The fact that I have known Lee for some 40 years, and raced against him ( and lost ) back in the early „70s, rekindled the emotional connection to our younger days when gas was cheap, responsibility was minimal, and our goal was to get sideways and airborne in whatever we were driving. 
   Since we live in neighboring towns, I thought it would be easy to find Lee and the Shelby.  Several weeks later, one of my friends that Lee used to work for as a machinist says he knows how to get to Lee‟s house in Joshua Tree.    That Saturday afternoon of Sept. 25th  I had finished looking at all the cars at the Morongo Basin Old Car Club‟s annual show in Yucca Valley and decided to follow some cryptic directions and look for Lee and the Shelby.     About an hour into the search, while driving up and down old dirt roads in a rural area of north of Joshua Tree, I spotted the rear corner of what looked like an old Mustang behind a Travel Trailer parked in the middle of a fenced 5 acre parcel.    I parked on the street, walked up the long drive and knocked on the door to the house.   No answer.  I was a little concerned about the perception of trespassing, so I briefly went around back, found the car baking in the sun, shot a few photos, and left a note on the front door of the house asking Lee to give me a call about the Mustang.
   A few days later, Lee calls and I ask if he is interested in selling the car ?  To my amazement, he didn‟t say NO.    Although he didn‟t say yes, he did agree to meet and talk face to face.  When we met the next day, he asked if I had a garage or shop to do a restoration, so I invited him to see my house, garage, and shop that was fully equipped and waiting for a project car.  After some reminiscing and discussion, we parted that day with Lee thinking about selling his 40 year obsession, and me thinking that this may be a project I couldn‟t afford.
   I had contacted Howard Pardee at SAAC after I first saw the car on Sept. 25th, to ask questions on how to authenticate the car, and he advised where the hidden VIN numbers were on the inner fender panels, and the corresponding VIN stamped on the block under the # 1 spark plug.
   When I next spoke to Lee and asked if I could come out to the house and search out the VIN numbers, he said “ OK, you‟ll find the car is 100% original “.   That following Saturday I spent several hours with wrenches, engine degreaser, and elbow grease to find all the numbers Howard told me to look for.   A call that night to Howard confirmed that SFM5s444 was indeed authentic, and in Howard‟s words “ … you‟re an idiot if you don‟t buy that car”.
   So, on October 9th I went back out to Lee‟s house with a briefcase full of cash, and we agreed that I would be the next caretaker of #444, and with Lee‟s help in the restoration process the Shelby would soon rise again, and Lee will be the first one to drive # 444 when the restoration is complete.

 
   Since I had the car towed to my house on October 9th, I have had many conversations with Howard Pardee, and his knowledge and experience have proven invaluable in guiding me in the right direction for a complete restoration.  One of his suggestions was to have a Shelby consultant come and see the car.   I called Craig Conley in San Marcos, CA and  he agreed to drive out and take a look.    Craig‟s visit took several hours to inspect every inch of # 444, and he helped me make a fairly short list of required parts to bring the car back to original condition.   The car is miraculously rust free, has all original motor components from the air cleaner housing down to the cast aluminum Cobra oil pan.   The Borg Warner T10 aluminum trans and original rearend are in the car.    I needed a front bumper/valance group, a hood, and some original gauges for the pod, and I would be ready to start a complete rotisserie restoration.    Since that visit, Craig has been very helpful with my restoration questions, and has supplied some of the missing parts.   
  So now, I‟m in early January 2011 and the written and photo documentation is well under way, and someday soon ( OK, maybe not very soon ) # 444 will rise again.


Then there was an update to the Backstory:

Hi Everyone,  as of 1/28/2011    The Backstory got an update.   Thanks to Howard Pardee and his documentation on 5s444.  I obtained copies of those documents showing the dealer order to Shelby, and a warranty claim back to the dealer for a broken equalizer shaft.   Remember in the original story that the car was sold from Warren Anderson Ford in Riverside on 11/10/1965 to Dr. Hankins.   On Dec 27, 1965 the Shelby came back to that same dealer for repairs        ( $ 3.36 in parts and $ 12.00 Labor ) to replace the broken equalizer shaft or Z Bar that is the linkage between clutch pedal and trans.    That document listed Dr. Hankins and a physical address.   This address was critical.   Read on...     Finding someone that bought a car 45 years ago is a challenge, so I enlisted the help of a friend that is a Private Investigator to find Dr. Hankins.   Sure enough, a few days later I got a call saying " I found Dr. Hankins son, and here's his phone number ".   So I make the call to Dr. Hankins III in Los Angeles, and explain my quest to find the original owner.    He confirms that his family lived near Loma Linda in '65, and used Warren Anderson Ford to service their cars.   But, he was living overseas from '65 to '69 and maybe his dad bought the car for one of his sisters, but he didn't remember any history with a Shelby Mustang.   He gave me his sisters name & number and I call her right away.   She was very cooperative in describing her '67 Mustang, and her sister's Thunderbird, but had no memory of a white Shelby Mustang.   So, I call back to Dr. Hankins III, and ask who else in the family I might talk to, and he said Uncle Frank had passed away also, so he had no other information.  But, he did mention that back in the mid '60's, his dad Dr. Hankins was often confused with another doctor at the same Loma Linda University Hospital, and that doctor was Dr. Henken.    Back to that critical address mentioned earlier.   I called my P.I. back, explained the dead end with Dr. Hankins, and asked if we could search the county recorders database for the 1965 property owner of the address on the warranty claim.    Guess what ?  Dr. Henken owned the house at the address listed on the warranty claim form.  So, while I'm kicking tires at the Barrett Jackson Auction in Scottsdale last weekend, the P.I. is looking for Dr. Henken.  Well, on Wednesday 1/26/11 the P.I. calls and says " I found Dr. Henken, and he's expecting your call ".    I almost had a stroke.    I called the good doctor ( an orthodontist in San Clemente, CA. ) and after explaining my journey to find out all the detail on the car's history, he said " My dad and I were dickering over whether he would buy me a Shelby Cobra or a Shelby Mustang for graduation, and on that day in November 1965, I drove the Shelby Mustang off the showroom floor at Warren Anderson Ford in Riverside.    He drove over to his cousin Larry's house to check out the Shelby, and take it for a spin.     The next couple of years the future orthodontist spent time in the Shelby drag racing with cousin Larry and his brother (Larry had a '62 Vette and the brother had a '65 Mustang ) against  locals on roads between the orange groves in Loma Linda, swapping out the 3.89 gears for 4.11s and a separate set of rims with slicks to race at Orange County International Raceway at the Saturday night drags.  He says the Shelby was fast, and held a class record for the first season at OCIR, and even got to drive it in some timed rallys at Riverside International Raceway.  He said the car was never wrecked while he owned it, and it only needed  minor tune ups and a new clutch the second year.    Eventually, he left home for college ( no cars on campus ) and only drove the car on breaks or vacation.   His mom & dad moved the car around the driveway as needed, but when he moved to Hawaii in '67 to go to college ( and surf ) for his sophomore year, his mom got tired of moving the car with it's stiff racing clutch, and eventually took the Shelby back to the dealer to be sold.    Dr. Henken says his mom is still alilve, but with some health issues and her long
term memory is surprisingly clear.  He told me that he will ask his mom if she remembers which dealer she took the car to ( he says: most likely is Warren Anderson Ford ) or how it was sold.    Dr. Henken also tells me that there are old family photo albums somewhere, and that he has a few photos of the car back in the day.    The rest of the Backstory from Don Duvall's purchase in late '67 to present was much less work to research, as most of his friends and subsequent owner's friends are still around for me to talk to.    So, if not for a typo on a warranty claim form, I would have known the correct original owners name sooner and saved all the chasing of the wrong Dr. Hankins.   But here we are, finally finding the right guy, and when photos are made available, I will make additional posts with photos, and the missing piece of this puzzle will be put into place.    Stay tuned...   Mark.
 
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: 6s1139 on August 15, 2018, 02:47:46 AM
Mark

Deepest sympathies on the passing of your wife, can only imagine the effort it takes to "dust off" and move forward

There is another thread on the forum about the decline of SAAC/Interest waning on our cars etc  - Well your story proves to me that we are going strong - nothing is more stirring than the passion, personal connections and willingness to share our Shelby stories

I really appreciate your post (backstory) and look forward to your updates

cheers

greg
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: J_Speegle on August 15, 2018, 04:42:33 AM
Mark - so sorry to hear about your wife.

Thank you very much for sharing the story of the car, I know it's in good hands and likely will be for a fairly long time. Glad to here that your perseverance paid off in the long run and you could close the loop of the history of the car and its owners

Enjoy


Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: CSX 4133 on August 15, 2018, 08:16:44 AM

First off condolences on your wife's passing. What an amazing back story on your Shelby and it's history, good luck on the restoration/preservation of your R model.
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: kjspeed on August 15, 2018, 09:22:12 AM
Sorry for your loss Mark. It's obvious that you cherished your wife and I'm sure she was blessed to have you by her side through the struggle.


I'm glad that you shared your story and reconnected with your passion for Shelbys. Looking forward to updates on your progress and seeing 444 brought back to life!

~Kevin
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: Doug C on August 15, 2018, 11:17:15 AM
Mark, like others have expressed so sorry for your loss but am glad you are back working on your car and again posting updates.  I remember reading your posts and when the old site broke down and they were all lost it let a void.

Please keep us all informed and can’t wait for future photos; even some of the original would be nice to see again.

Doug - Valencia, CA
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: silverton_ford on August 15, 2018, 11:21:16 AM
Mark,  Thank you for posting this.  It is great to see you back.  I remember reading about your car.   It is great to see!  I can't wait to see more progress as time goes on.

Here is an article from Mustang Monthly back in 2011. 

http://www.mustangandfords.com/featured-vehicles/mump-1112-1965-shelby-gt350-rare-find/ (http://www.mustangandfords.com/featured-vehicles/mump-1112-1965-shelby-gt350-rare-find/)
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: Brant on August 15, 2018, 11:28:10 AM
Mark,

It was fantastic seeing you again at SAAC 43 and meeting Rochelle.

I have always loved the story about the history of 5S444, so thank you for sharing it again. I'm excited that you are getting back into it!

I hope you don't mind, but I always loved this picture that you posted a while back, so I wanted to share it again:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/yBRuCzkxI6k3FxRP79xWZS2H9NTTr8TKRXIyoiqBzcHv9xAIAVdiDsvisAgeoFr1knOHLrwhCBTGfX-1QpSNt63tHXSQjOYMEA668BHW4Wq9rOy7VP9HR-Z6cDPTjm6htr1NPfP21AI5JtefKi3F85NAOeqVko7_8W2JS2pKCdS0MtyCtuGdUhIMLNY0HQA32DNAPhuV6aPpELNKLwF9DZqQHJ67KSwlYFRoYiDnjQW-a7xNJuewC_WZ2Or80Tb9b67teiaefLVoOyR4o5NrATZ6IEMRubwwe02AQsZu5Wr4BsiIwZRLpfSvjQ0fXe7dsVq_rDHEcsAWlV13qksdmPibZkRU63glLbNox2ahZE5CXeE7QT_9BUnYZMQBuT4RIemTEbL7X2xEeT2cQx8JpsBX5iGCGCT-s0jKom86Wo9TLFecw5R7OP8qjJXK05QSyJJwdI83SWqUNZpeXq2kDgvkzPBdaJj2cbx0DVq5T8UjN7LtCGBQAfS76K4OpxsdXdM86TkMhTuNgCJYE4heZonTr83M6bTGn-9O0lf4iD4UPOZ8rmp1_wbQBv4tXDxTnmvWuM71eLrNT--VMev3aKuDKKRNfpNwsHPh68pn=w800-no)

I can't wait to see more!
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: Bob Gaines on August 15, 2018, 12:26:16 PM
Mark,I am so very sorry for your loss. I am very happy to hear you are getting better after the heart breaking experience. I am looking forward to hearing about your car as you progress. You can be assured that you will have support from forum members here.
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: SFM5S159 on August 15, 2018, 03:54:30 PM
I'm very sorry to hear your wife passed.  At the same time I am glad you posted and are back working on it.  We can all relate to life happening. 
I look forward to you updating all of us.

Mike C. 
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: sfm5 on August 15, 2018, 05:16:11 PM
Sorry for your loss. I was wondering what happened to this thread, as I enjoyed reading your story & following your progress. Good luck finishing your car and please post updates & pictures as your awesome project reaches completion!
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: CharlesTurner on August 16, 2018, 06:08:38 PM
Mark, my condolences also.  Looking forward to the seeing the assembly process and final product!
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: texas swede on August 16, 2018, 06:38:41 PM
Mark, so sorry for the loss of your wife.
If there is anything I can do as regards the restoration of 5S444 just ask.
Texas Swede
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 16, 2018, 07:01:15 PM
Thanks a million to all of you that have expressed your sympathy for the loss of my wife Tina, and for the support to continue on this Shelby journey.   I will attempt to follow the new photo posting instructions to get some old ( and some cool new ) photos on this post to bring everyone up to date.    Here goes...   Mark






Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 16, 2018, 07:02:20 PM
Hmmmm.   After all the detailed instructions, that was an epic fail for the transfer of photo from my gallery to the post.  I'll keep trying. Mark
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 16, 2018, 07:04:00 PM
Next try. Mark

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/374-160818141324.jpeg)

Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 16, 2018, 07:04:40 PM
Well, that sort of worked, but waaaaay too big.   More homework.  Mark
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 16, 2018, 07:10:51 PM
Third Attempt at a correctly sized photo from " myimages " section of Gallery to this post.  Mark

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/374-160818141511.jpeg)



Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 16, 2018, 07:14:52 PM
Another photo that is waaaay too big.  I have read and re-read the posting instructions a dozen times for uploading images.   I guess I need a 12 year old that has more e-knowledge to figure this out.    One more try today.  Mark

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Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 16, 2018, 07:17:50 PM
 Frustration is mounting, all I want is reasonably sized photos on the post. Mark

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Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: SFM5S159 on August 16, 2018, 08:23:43 PM
I had not seen those-not sure if they were posted on the old thread.
Those have to be some of the coolest pics of a '65 GT350 I've ever seen.
Most of us dream of such a find!

Mike
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 17, 2018, 02:10:18 AM
OK, here's a sample of the studio type photos we have been taking of some of the parts that have been restored for 444.  Since the previous post shows the top of the motor & carb when the car was found, I thought this photo would be appropriate.  Mark

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/374-160818185430.png)

Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: GT350Lad on August 17, 2018, 02:27:29 AM
My condolences Mark. Thanks for sharing your life and the rise of #444! Well done mate
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: NC TRACKRAT on August 17, 2018, 08:20:22 AM
Thanks for sharing this bittersweet journey with us.  The continuation of the restoration will be very therapeutic for you and of great interest to all of us. 
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: gt350cs on August 17, 2018, 10:15:44 AM
So very sorry to hear of the passing of your wife. I am glad that you are now back working on this amazing car again. I am sure that she would be happy that you are continuing on your journey. Thanks for sharing with us here on the Forums.

Dennis
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 19, 2018, 10:01:00 PM
More photos of when the car was found.  Wheels in the dirt, the oil pan & underside,
the Seller named Lee, and loading on the flatbed.  We'll see how these photos post. Thanks, Mark

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/374-190818214911.jpeg)

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Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 19, 2018, 10:08:56 PM
OK, so clearly there is some trick to posting photos to Gallery, My Gallery, My images, and then on the post.  I have tried every
type of process I'm aware of to fix the oversize photos.   I'm going to try one more tonight before I throw my computer out the window.  This last photo is when the flatbed got to my house & dropped off the car that night.  Mark

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/374-190818215334.jpeg)
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: Shelby_r_b on August 19, 2018, 11:59:01 PM
Hi Mark,

The easiest way I've found to post pictures (that actually come up as thumbnails that you can click to enlarge) is the following:
- Click on "Attachments and other options" link located just below the text box of your next posting
- Then, click on the "Choose File" button that will now appear
- Select your photo
- You can add (I believe) up to 3 photos per posting (it might be 4, but I can't remember)
- Each time you want to add another photo to the posting, simply click "(more attachments)" located just below the original "Choose File" button, and another "Choose File" button will appear

Hope this works for you!
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 21, 2018, 07:38:43 PM
OK, thanks for the advice on posting better sized photos.  Here's my next attempt for the day.  This was the dealer installed AM radio that is original to the car at the first sale in November 1965.  It has been rebuilt, cleaned and tested by the Radio Doctor in Grants Pass Oregon.  He also re-coned the original speaker, and it was bench tested with the radio, and works great.  Can't wait to hear some morning talk show or classic rock on AM radio while waiting for my ice cream & butterfinger Blast at Sonic Drive In.
Mark

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/374-210818192055.png)

Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 21, 2018, 08:03:01 PM
Well, that was better. But still room for improvement on photo size.  This next photo is the original headers that I took off the car during disassembly.    Between the crash damage to the front end of the car by the prior owner that pushed the inner shock tower into the headers, and various welded up cracks, and mother nature trying to recapture the steel, they were pretty rough.  Fortunately, Jim Cowles makes a terrific reproduction set of headers, and they will be on the car when it is up & running.  More photos to follow.  Mark


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Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: CharlesTurner on August 22, 2018, 09:45:40 AM
Can't wait to hear some morning talk show or classic rock on AM radio while waiting for my ice cream & butterfinger Blast at Sonic Drive In.

Good luck hearing the radio with side exit exhaust  ;D ;D

Try converting your images to .jpg and then use an image editor to size them down. Otherwise, attaching the image to your post should put a thumbnail, which can be clicked for larger size.

Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 23, 2018, 02:49:05 PM
Ok, this is the umpteenth try with a new process.  Mark
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Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 23, 2018, 02:53:45 PM
Well, we may have success thanks to Bossbill's post about adding the width=500 after editing the BB line after "img".  You just saw the outside of the restored original Shelby Cragar, now the inside for your viewing pleasure.   I thought we should show some photos of things that you wouldn't normally see once they are on the car and the restoration is complete.  This example of photo editing adds the formula:  img width=768 to the BB photo line.  Mark

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/374-210818192230.png)
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 23, 2018, 05:15:51 PM
OK, a few more that previously were too large.  Mark

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/374-160818141324.jpeg)
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 23, 2018, 05:17:35 PM
Another original photo when the car was found in 2010.  Mark

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/374-160818141511.jpeg)
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 23, 2018, 05:18:57 PM
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Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 23, 2018, 05:20:06 PM
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Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 23, 2018, 05:21:13 PM
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Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 23, 2018, 05:23:13 PM
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Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 23, 2018, 05:24:49 PM
The underside was a little rough after sitting in the dirt for 36 years.  Mark
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/374-160818143310.jpeg)
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 23, 2018, 05:26:12 PM
The Shelby VIN plate didn't fare so well baking in the SoCal sun without a hood ( see backstory for details ) but was still there.  Mark
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/374-160818143431.jpeg)
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 23, 2018, 05:28:33 PM
The Keystone mags hadn't rolled an inch in decades.  Needless to say, they were not going to be a part of the restoration.  Thus began a 3 year search for 5 original Cragar Shelby wheels that eventually were bought from 3 different sellers around the country.  Craig Conley at Paradise Wheels did an amazing job restoring the Cragars  ( see previous photos ) that will be on the car when it is driven in anger.  Mark
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Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 23, 2018, 05:31:34 PM
This is a photo of the seller Lee just before we loaded the car on a flatbed tow truck for it's ride to my home.  I still see him every few weeks around town, and he's been to the house many times to advise/help on the restoration and actually found in his parts collection at his home the original alternator that was on the car in the late 60's that has now been restored.  Great Guy.   Mark
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Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 23, 2018, 05:33:24 PM
After installing 4 wheels from two different motorcycle trailers with Ford hubs, the car was loaded on the tow truck for it's ride to my home.  One of Lee's pals is watching the car leave it's resting place.  Mark
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Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 23, 2018, 05:35:17 PM
Finally, at my home.  Mark
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Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: Bob Gaines on August 23, 2018, 09:24:07 PM
The Keystone mags hadn't rolled an inch in decades.  Needless to say, they were not going to be a part of the restoration.  Thus began a 3 year search for 5 original Cragar Shelby wheels that eventually were bought from 3 different sellers around the country.  Craig Conley at Paradise Wheels did an amazing job restoring the Cragars  ( see previous photos ) that will be on the car when it is driven in anger.  Mark
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Mark, did Craig restore the original rims or did he replace them with the DOT approved equivalent?
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 24, 2018, 12:12:54 PM
The five original rims that were purchased for this restoration all had terrible chrome steel rims, but good centers.   All five got new chrome rims welded to the steel links at the bottom of the five aluminum spokes on each wheel, and you can see the new welds on the photo showing the back of the wheel.   The new chrome rims are stamped with a date, DOT number and some other codes.   We felt that this was the best solution for 444 to have original rims that are safe to drive aggressively when the car is complete.  Mark   
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 24, 2018, 12:21:05 PM
This is an overall shot of the backside of the restored Cragar Shelby wheel.  I can get a photo of the DOT stamping if need be.  Mark

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Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 24, 2018, 12:40:11 PM
More Tri Y header photos from 444 when removed in 2010 to start the restoration.  Mark
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Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 24, 2018, 12:41:59 PM
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Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 24, 2018, 12:42:46 PM
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Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 24, 2018, 12:45:14 PM
Finally today, a close up of the grain on the vinyl spare tire cover.  This is a reproduction made by a SAAC Forum member that I bought a couple of years ago, and fits the reproduction Blue dot tire on the spare Cragar Shelby rim perfectly.   It has the heavy grained vinyl, and the smaller diameter welting.  Mark

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Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: Bob Gaines on August 24, 2018, 01:54:00 PM
This is an overall shot of the backside of the restored Cragar Shelby wheel.  I can get a photo of the DOT stamping if need be.  Mark

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Yes you will for sure be confident running hard on them. I didn't think he would restore them with original rims is why I asked. I was hoping to find that he did. I hope you didn't have to pay much for the cores. Unfortunately they look no different now then the repros Craig makes. The centers he makes are almost indistinguishable from originals. Many (but not all)wheel restorers decline to use non DOT (restored or not) wheel rims for liability reasons. Craig will not re rivet centers into rims (for the 67-70 Shelby) wheels that need them ether for the same reasons. I understand protecting your behind. I found a set of repros on a DIV 1,Throughbred,Diamond class entry and the entrant was very bothered that I discovered the difference. They are very close.
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on August 24, 2018, 04:32:36 PM
Thanks Bob,  the depth of your Shelby knowledge never ceases to amaze me.  You are right on the money about the DOT rim portion, and I'm ok with the new hoops on the old centers.  The total cost to buy the rims, get them restored, and complete with caps & lugs is just over $ 1000 per rim.  I felt the sting on the cost, but I felt that the car's provenance and historical value was worth the effort to keep the car as original as possible, and using all original OEM/Shelby, or NOS, or restored used originals was the way to go.   By the way, I missed meeting you in person in Sonoma, and look forward to shaking hands someday.  Mark
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: Bob Gaines on August 24, 2018, 05:24:02 PM
Thanks Bob,  the depth of your Shelby knowledge never ceases to amaze me.  You are right on the money about the DOT rim portion, and I'm ok with the new hoops on the old centers.  The total cost to buy the rims, get them restored, and complete with caps & lugs is just over $ 1000 per rim.  I felt the sting on the cost, but I felt that the car's provenance and historical value was worth the effort to keep the car as original as possible, and using all original OEM/Shelby, or NOS, or restored used originals was the way to go.   By the way, I missed meeting you in person in Sonoma, and look forward to shaking hands someday.  Mark
Mark, It would have been really cool to meet you in person. You can count on myself and others here to help you through the resto. I would rather you ask a question no matter how dumb or trivial it may seem rather then for you not to ask and get it wrong given the historical direction you are going with the restoration. Plus If we can help you to not spend money unnecessarily (doing stuff over) that is all the better.  That car deserves to be done well.
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: J_Speegle on August 24, 2018, 05:47:20 PM
Mark, good to see its coming along. Well worth the wait.
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: A1965GT350 on August 25, 2018, 01:49:30 AM
Mark;
thanks for posting your restoration pictures and keeping us arm chair restorers wanting more.
 And those header pictures are fantastic  ;D haha
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: doublemyv on September 27, 2018, 02:12:54 AM
Sometimes, you have a lucky day.   Yesterday 9/25/18 Jerry Heasley called me.   You may remember Jerry's articles in various car magazines including Mustang Monthly on his Rare Finds topic.   Anyway, Jerry asked how my restoration was proceeding, and I brought him up to speed about the delays over the last couple of years, and that the restoration process was restarting.   He mentioned that he has been doing some short videos of interesting cars on his www.youtube.com channel, and wondered if car # SFM5s444 would make a good candidate for a new video.   Well, our conversation went well, and the end result is now posted on youtube under link:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-LAXoTqNV0    This is a compilation of the original photos when the car was found, and Jerry tells the background story through the video, and does a great job describing the find.  Check it out.   Mark
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: SFM6S087 on September 27, 2018, 03:03:23 AM
Thanks for posting the link. Great story, great pictures, great car.

Steve
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: GT350Lad on September 27, 2018, 04:06:37 AM
Nice video mate, thanks for sharing

Cheers
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: BGlover67 on September 27, 2018, 07:14:56 AM
Keep the documentation coming!
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: Shelby_r_b on September 27, 2018, 02:58:08 PM
Awesome!  8)
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: Dkutz on September 27, 2018, 03:10:40 PM
saw the video posted on FB today.  Realized it was THAT car.  What a cool story.  Glad it was saved.  And its in Good hands!! 

Can I come over and help put that full size Revell model together?
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: deathsled on September 27, 2018, 03:29:26 PM
Like Victor Frankenstein breathing life into the sleeping monster. I love it!

Sorry for your loss.

Best,

Richard E.
Title: Re: SFM5s444 restoration is continuing
Post by: 65Clone on January 19, 2019, 04:15:14 PM
Mark you are doing a SUPER job on "everything" the car is wonderful the documentation since Teenager years and stuff is GREAT... LOVE IT... Thanks so much for sharing.. and keep it up. Thanks for answering my email:) :) :) :) :) :)