I'm curious - how can you tell if a package tray is original or a reproduction? I know that you can verify which cars had them, but I'm curious to know the difference between a real versus a reproduction package tray.
BTW - pictures would be MUCH appreciated! ;D
Thanks!
very easy - repos are fiberglass - real ones are made of ABS plastic
Quote from: acman63 on September 03, 2018, 10:17:40 PM
very easy - repos are fiberglass - real ones are made of ABS plastic
Bingo .
Awesome! Thanks guys. 🍺
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-030918231121.jpeg)
I've run a repop for 38 years, good luck finding a original
Thanks for the picture, Jeff!
BTW - how is the center strip of wood held on? It looks like it's glued, but not sure.
Thanks!
Quote from: J_Speegle on September 03, 2018, 11:11:42 PM
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-030918231121.jpeg)
That picture looks familiar. Not sure why you added your watermark to my picture, Jeff.
Ruben,
Contact me directly for any questions on the package tray. From the pictures that I have seen of your package tray, you have an original. Here are pictures of another original tray.
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(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/wFj5E7niU_QoylAGi0jZ9oD0IBNNVeZSysHndxr7zRyo2_oHEjwc8Llucjv3KFuXN6KK2-0Vz2nprUdbzsd0_xDOoabgDxcUYjC6yWNW90BU9vpCXnB9V7tf2EtmskkLqvpqZwvVowxO6HZFH2xYf_TDfEpuS3H7XyPQ8hv_8RR31tZ153_3fps46ObjU9EDd3XArDGmHLhl26RLlreGIw-6vfOwtaII06dS3dhdDwF0ca-UBqYNoQYjn1UTzDY4WC0VvAwpW5fwvpaWzkqO-ldIyx2ccmNY7w40DAyvvls7xXkS4_y-SR7Jqx1oEL7MsclzgKvRa-O7NuC_rPjizoiMgFkzXpPS9pk7ijYNjsab1ciuO54VonBcyyhmX6ZHbG4vxAqcjnNnHHgGzb7hIf9r2N9oO7EgOF91yEaiKzLTPOkrt0Cbk3MwM_NEEsAZ2p3DftLywKK3Hxr6f275wq0TuyX2ySyXVRMUhAEL3DY5qPIFsqa46izbkXjoub2wtPcLfWdA2T78UzG4jpFW7xq8S3Y5OmZrWAHPMUb2p7oYbCI-v98aQHIinXA3RAfJPLtVsOs_QhkerSxm7FyQo_oOsFVOnawN9kXFhMmixFzs4E1vUHWmQWCEsQq0ZoTN=w800-no)
Awesome pics, Brant!
Here are some pics of my tray. I removed the center wood piece, as it was screened through the middle of the tray.
But, I should say that I kept the wood piece, though! ;)
Quote from: Brant on September 04, 2018, 08:25:49 AM
That picture looks familiar. Not sure why you added your watermark to my picture, Jeff.
The soft ware on our site automatically does that when stored there. Didn't mean to suggest I had ownership nor meant anything by it being added. Picture I used had been drawn on and lacked your watermark so removed the drawing but didn't remove anyone else's (your watermark)
Sorry for any concern it might have created
Are there any records that tell which 66 cars came from SA with the ABS package shelves? I assume it was also a Ford, over the counter available option also?
Thanks, Karl
6s281
should be able to tell as the folding seat was an option and they charged for it
I'm almost certain that Howard Pardee would know the exact number.
Hi All, Here is the pair of support braces I made by reverse engineering from an original pair. I was able to find the exact aluminum angle for the trap door catch and had the "Z" brackets made professionally. Any body with a repop or original tray missing these pieces could use these pieces to make their tray more functional. What do you think?
Take care
Cory
Quote from: Karguy on September 04, 2018, 10:42:34 PM
Are there any records that tell which 66 cars came from SA with the ABS package shelves? I assume it was also a Ford, over the counter available option also?
Thanks, Karl
6s281
Hi Karl, What is crazy is I find no offerings for these trays in any of the old literature. I will conjecture, the cost to making the 65 trays was too labor intensive and expensive. To keep the two seater sport car designation, SAI decided to pay for expensive tooling to vacuum form the 66 trays out of plastic and dramatically reduce the per cost of each tray. However, I expect the bean counters saw that these trays were not selling well and more buyers wanted the back seat that could be added to the purchase price. (Remember, it is a business to make money.) So, SAI dropped the tray and the production. The business case to make the trays from plastic was a failure. Not enough trays were made and sold to justify the cost of the tooling. So there are the only approximate 80 or so cars that got the tray. Years ago I did see a NOS tray sell on a popular auction site for around $6k. Any one know who got that?
What do you think?
Cory
Quote from: Karguy on September 04, 2018, 10:42:34 PM
Are there any records that tell which 66 cars came from SA with the ABS package shelves? I assume it was also a Ford, over the counter available option also?
Thanks, Karl
6s281
Somewhere between 96 and 100 1966 GT350's received factory package trays.
83 carryovers confirmed (one more was ordered, but can't be confirmed as being built that way)
13 cars after 6S252 confirmed (2 more suspected)
For a total of 96 confirmed packaged tray cars
But it's possible that they built 100 cars like that for homologation reasons, and we just don't have accurate records for the other 4 cars.
Steve
Cory,
Do you have the dimensions on the wooden parts? of the aluminum angle? I have an original shelf but no wooden parts.
Tim
Another observation from the field. Through the years of observing original package trays (in situ), I found they had variances in how the edges of the front drop-off were trimmed. Some left a bit of an angle on either side; inconsistent with the amount. Lacking Mr Speegle and other's dutiful note taking, I cannot quote their serial numbers. One was a car from central Colorado, others at the 84(?) Anaheim national, one in Pensacola from elsewhere, and my own car.
Quote from: shelby6s170 on January 05, 2019, 11:26:21 AM
Cory,
Do you have the dimensions on the wooden parts? of the aluminum angle? I have an original shelf but no wooden parts.
Tim
Hi Tim, Yes, I have the exact dimensions of all the pieces. I have enough parts to make a few more plus all the screws to attach to the tray. I have a buddy that works in a sheet metal shop that made the "Z" brackets with a shear and brake press, just like originals. I have sourced the exact extrusion for the strike and have period roofing galvanized nails. I use nice knot free Doug Fir for the wood. I like a $100 plus the ride. My prior reply has an image of one I made for myself. I can make more. Please send me a PM if your are interested.
Thanks
Cory
Quote from: 6s1640 on September 04, 2018, 11:32:29 PM
Hi All, Here is the pair of support braces I made by reverse engineering from an original pair. I was able to find the exact aluminum angle for the trap door catch and had the "Z" brackets made professionally. Any body with a repop or original tray missing these pieces could use these pieces to make their tray more functional. What do you think?
Take care
Cory
Welcome to the wonderful world of quality reproduction shelby parts - glad to have you join our group. (-:
That sounds like a fantastic deal to me. Anyone that needs the correct looking hardware would be crazy to pass that up .
The pictures of the original wood bracing are pictures of clear American red oak, not Doug Fir.
It was a good solution in 1965 but had no concern for long term longevity. Unbraced wood like that will just twist and warp just like the ABS plastic will. Today's solution would use some kind of an inert stable plastic in it's place.
Roofing nails is an interesting application. Those things are not intended to be hammered into a hardwood and often the heads will fracture and snap off.
Oak really isn't the way to go in something like this. The reality is that it is just plentiful and grows like a weed in the forest. Therefore it is easy to get. It's not the material of choice.
I've had a fiberglass reproduction in my car since about 1981 or '82. It doesn't need any bracing at all, just the aluminum catch added.
The plastic ones are notorious for not being able to be left in the sun without twisting and warping all over.
If you have a car that you think was supposed to have one of these things originally, then by all means lust for an original but for any other purpose, use the fiberglass unit and get on with the rest of your life and important details.
What I would recommend is to fill the hollow void beneath with sprayed in shipping foam inside of plastic recycling bags so that it doesn't stick to anything as it cures to the interior shape of the voids.