Hi, I'm from Holland and maaaayybe I will buy a 1969/1970 Shelby. So before that's going to happen, I try to learn al lot.
I saw this nice looking car, can you tell me more according to the pictures?
https://www.gtautolounge.com/vehicle-details/1969-shelby-gt350-coupe-8b88f6e544c84253af942d8176787a75
Well its marked sold. That nice shinny new door tag is a bit concerning....
Welcome to our group!..... My recommendation if purchasing a car stateside from Europe would be to find someone from this group that can put some (EYES ON) the car you are interested in to help you with a decision before you purchase blind. ;)
At least the pass front floor has been replaced as evidenced by floor drain. I never understood why someone wouldn't put a correct looking patch/pan in a high dollar car. Especially if they are leaving the other side alone.
Quote from: Coralsnake on September 24, 2018, 07:08:33 AM
Well its marked sold. That nice shinny new door tag is a bit concerning....
Why is that? Could this only be part of the restoration?
Quote from: 427heaven on September 24, 2018, 08:59:40 AM
Welcome to our group!..... My recommendation if purchasing a car stateside from Europe would be to find someone from this group that can put some (EYES ON) the car you are interested in to help you with a decision before you purchase blind. ;)
Thanks!!
Well, in 4 weeks it'll arrive in Holland at the Mustang dealer. He is an enthousiast and I know the guy and trust him. I know my stuff about Mustangs (have had several) but like to lean about Shelby parts and how to recognize them.
So I can check out the car myself. For the technical things I have a good friend that knows where to look.
Off course, I can ask a Shelby fan from our Mustang club to take a look at the car when I decide to go for a Shelby.
Quote from: Arrowmach on September 24, 2018, 02:28:46 PM
Quote from: Coralsnake on September 24, 2018, 07:08:33 AM
Well its marked sold. That nice shinny new door tag is a bit concerning....
Why is that? Could this only be part of the restoration?
Typically the door tag is not replaced unless it is lost or damaged beyond recognition. Ether event suggests some kind of issue in the cars past. Some issues may be trivial but others may not. At the very least the original tag is not typically given a second thought where as a repro tag always can be. It just raises a red flag of concern. Why was it replaced? As a concours judge a reproduction tag is a point deduction but from a practical stand point the original tag adds character in my opinion that a shiny repro tag does not. At the very least I would want to know why the tag was not included with the car? Hopefully the original tag was. If the restorer or past owner was/is that clueless to not understand it's significance what other things about the restoration was poorly compromised on? Congratulations on your new purchase I hope you do not have any unhappy surprises. We hear all too often of a buyer not doing their due diligence only to find after the sale the car was not all that it was advertised to be or represented is why the concern. Hopefully you are one of the lucky ones.
Could a repro tag suggest that it might be a clever clone, a tribute car? Maybe someone stole/purchased the original tag to make a clone with a regular Mustang. :-\ ???
Quote from: Sfm6sxxx on September 24, 2018, 09:20:12 AM
At least the pass front floor has been replaced as evidenced by floor drain. I never understood why someone wouldn't put a correct looking patch/pan in a high dollar car. Especially if they are leaving the other side alone.
Where do you see that the pass side is different?
QuoteCould a repro tag suggest that it might be a clever cloan, a tribute car? Maybe someone stole/purchased the original tag to make a clone with a regular Mustang. :-\ ???
Anything is possible. My concern is
if the original tag is not accounted for, it always stands the chance of reappearing sometime in the future. There is a place for a reproduction tags, but too many people replace them for the wrong reasons.
Quote from: Arrowmach on September 25, 2018, 09:28:56 AM
Quote from: Sfm6sxxx on September 24, 2018, 09:20:12 AM
At least the pass front floor has been replaced as evidenced by floor drain. I never understood why someone wouldn't put a correct looking patch/pan in a high dollar car. Especially if they are leaving the other side alone.
Where do you see that the pass side is different?
Look at the pictures of the pass front floor. You can see an oval hole stamped in the ribbed area that shouldn't be there. The drivers side does not have one (and shouldn't have one). Both sides should only have ribs.
... not sure I appreciate that link while I'm going through the forum with my kids- I have tried to get them involved with the cars and one of the things we do is read through the forum from time to time. There is a time and place for everything, and that stuff shouldn't be here. Garage poster pin ups are one thing, that's different.
Anyone else agree-
That should be a ban-a-ble offense. No need for that.
Seriously, something Id expect from the Chevy forum. Do we no longer have a moderator?
That link should be removed immediately. This has no place here and I am confident that most would agree.
Quote from: terlingua11 on September 25, 2018, 12:43:11 PM
... not sure I appreciate that link while I'm going through the forum with my kids- I have tried to get them involved with the cars and one of the things we do is read through the forum from time to time. There is a time and place for everything, and that stuff shouldn't be here. Garage poster pin ups are one thing, that's different.
Anyone else agree-
My sincere apologies, but I didn't knowingly add any link let alone that one. I don't know what to say as I have two small kids myself.
Apology accepted. I appreciate your removing it so quickly once asked.
What link are you all talkin' about? The grabber blue 350 that showed the import shields?
Thank you-
Is there something that actually got you all upset? I'm not sure if everyone is joking or no. ???
It's been taken care of. We can proceed with the thread-
Just wondering what it was? It actually was offensive? A nude picture? A drug reference?
No further discussion needed- Lets move on.
About the car; seller tells me doortags are often changed to an new one during restorations.
Front tag is in place that should prove it to be a real Shelby, wouldn't it?
Original doortag is not with the car.
Saying door tags are often changed is an overstatement. I would guess probably less than 1 percent. Most people want the original tags with the car. And in most cases there is really no reason to replace the tag.
The front tag does not prove it to be a shelby. The are many factors in determining if the car is an original shelby or not.
Okay, thats fine. What happens when another car shows up with the originall door tag on it?
Is he wlling to guarantee that will never happen?
The authencity of the car is determined by its history and all of its stampings and tags. If those tags have been replaced or altered, I think its reasonable to ask some questions.
Numbers can be restamped, just like tags can be replaced.
Probably nothing to worry about....