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Title: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: tesgt350 on September 24, 2018, 10:50:47 AM
How come I only see 1969 Shelby's in the Grabber Colors but NOT the 1969 Mustang's.  In 1970, the Grabber Colors can be had on ANY 1970 Mustang.
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Bill on September 24, 2018, 06:09:40 PM
How come I only see 1969 Shelby's in the Grabber Colors but NOT the 1969 Mustang's.  In 1970, the Grabber Colors can be had on ANY 1970 Mustang.

There were Grabber colored Mustangs produced, but did not sell well, as such, difficult to come by these days.
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Bigfoot on September 24, 2018, 06:34:10 PM
69 Boss 302 Grabber Yellow
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Bob Gaines on September 24, 2018, 06:45:43 PM
Grabber Purple WT 9083 is one of the more obscure 69/70 Shelby Grabber colors . ;D
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: J_Speegle on September 24, 2018, 06:52:01 PM
How come I only see 1969 Shelby's in the Grabber Colors but NOT the 1969 Mustang's.  In 1970, the Grabber Colors can be had on ANY 1970 Mustang.

Marketing tries to figure out what will sell and what would not - sometimes they get it right other times its a miss.  Of course for only a few dollars a buyer in 69 could have ordered a new 69 Mustang with what would become or called a Grabber color in the following year. Just had to go through the process and find a salesman willing to do it for you.

In 69 you did have the "Spring" colors that were released in April and in other years you could (if buying a car late enough in the production year) order your car in the next years colors if you wanted to go through the process
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: capecodmustang.com on September 24, 2018, 07:21:10 PM
Actually many of the Grabber colors were introduced because Mopar had started to market them....

Crazy Purple..
Lemon Twist...

The best way to stay with the competition is to check out what they are doing....
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Coralsnake on September 24, 2018, 07:23:53 PM
The 1969 Mustang 600 were grabber colors
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: terlingua11 on September 25, 2018, 12:29:22 PM
I had never seen that Purple color, had to look it up- ( WT9083 )

http://mustangattitude.com/cgi-bin/showcar.cgi?pic=/1968/1968_00080_01
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: tesgt350 on September 25, 2018, 03:07:00 PM
I had never seen that Purple color, had to look it up- ( WT9083 )

http://mustangattitude.com/cgi-bin/showcar.cgi?pic=/1968/1968_00080_01

Being a 68, that would not be the Grabber Purple.  That is a special Order Color.  Back then, you get a Mustang painted in just about any color that was available at that time.  Mustang Monthly did a write up on a 71/72 Mach 1 that was painted a Chevy Color.
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Coralsnake on September 25, 2018, 03:29:39 PM
Heres another shade

http://www.thecoralsnake.com/WT9810 (http://www.thecoralsnake.com/WT9810)

It may not have been called “grabber”; but was it the same code?

Mr Gaines has a secret....his car didnt start off purple  ;)
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Bob Gaines on September 25, 2018, 09:06:12 PM
Heres another shade

http://www.thecoralsnake.com/WT9810 (http://www.thecoralsnake.com/WT9810)

It may not have been called “grabber”; but was it the same code?

Mr Gaines has a secret....his car didnt start off purple  ;)
Oh contrar Mr Coralsnake. You are mis informed . It was not painted any other color but purple from the get go  ;) . It started out as purple it just wasn't suppose to start out as purple . It was supposed to be another grabber color and painted "Grabber" :D Purple instead.  Was it a mistake ? Was it a conspiracy by the dark purple state ? We may never know. I have my own theory based on a large number of special paint cars being produced at the same time on the same line .  The color doesn't have a name just a paint code. After looking at it and given the other grabber colors no other name but grabber purple fits it better. It has been christened Grabber Purple with tongue firmly placed in cheek. :D     
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Bob Gaines on September 25, 2018, 09:15:00 PM
I had never seen that Purple color, had to look it up- ( WT9083 )

http://mustangattitude.com/cgi-bin/showcar.cgi?pic=/1968/1968_00080_01
FYI the 68 Mustang paint looks quite a bit different then the paint chips , spray cards, and other cars that I have seen painted WT9083, at least in my monitor. 
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: SNAKEBIT on September 26, 2018, 07:16:48 PM
Grabber Purple WT 9083 is one of the more obscure 69/70 Shelby Grabber colors . ;D

Was there a Purple for the '69-'70 Shelbys I've never heard about? I thought there were only 4 "Grabber" colors. I also heard that Ford never called them Grabber and that they never had a paint code.
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Special Ed on September 26, 2018, 07:41:34 PM
Look on coralsnake site under 69 shelby special order paint.
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Coralsnake on September 26, 2018, 07:58:38 PM
http://www.thecoralsnake.com/1969paint
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Bob Gaines on September 26, 2018, 10:18:55 PM
Grabber Purple WT 9083 is one of the more obscure 69/70 Shelby Grabber colors . ;D

Was there a Purple for the '69-'70 Shelbys I've never heard about? I thought there were only 4 "Grabber" colors. I also heard that Ford never called them Grabber and that they never had a paint code.
Reread reply # 10 .   "It has been christened Grabber Purple with tongue firmly placed in cheek."  From Wikipedia, the phrase tongue-in-cheek is a figure of speech that describes a statement or other expression that the speaker or author does not mean literally, but intends as humor or otherwise not seriously.
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Bob Gaines on September 26, 2018, 11:08:34 PM
http://www.thecoralsnake.com/1969paint
Here is another to add to the " few strangely colored cars came through breaking all the rules." It started out as a 1969 Shelby and evolved to be a 1970 Shelby. I attached a copy of the Shelby memo which indicates what color it was suppose to be and the color it was ultimately painted. Lavender is what it was referred to in the memo ,WT9083 does not have assigned name however it is in the purple category of shades in the Ford color chip books and it is referred to as Purple by the insurance company that ordered Cougars painted WT9083 from Ford. I believe those 69 Cougars that went down the same line are the same as the "part of a D.A.P. special order" referred to in the Shelby document. Apparently in Canada the cars of the Rocky Mountain Life insurance agents were of a purple motif much like the Mary K pink painted cars.  I also provided a link to one of a number of web sites devoted to the Rocky Mountain Life Purple Cougars  http://www3.telus.net/nowland/site/rml/rml-main/rmlmainpage.htm   . It is interesting to note in the Shelby document that Ford sent A.O. Smith 5 Gallons of WT9083 to paint (since they would have no such color) the Shelby fiberglass instead of maybe a gallon which would be more then enough normally. Sorry Vinman I never got around to sending this to you. I must have been preoccupied with teasing Ed about not having the only purple Shelby. ;D   That is bound to get him wound up .Ok I'm braced . ;)   My main motivation for buying the car back when was because I saw him shaking his head in disbelief after seeing this paperwork at the Fontana . The teasing factor out weighed the price I paid  ;) .  He teases me I tease him it is all in fun. It was restored in Grabber blue because the restorer (Micky G.) didn't believe the color he was finding and the paperwork had not come to light and what with the 70 door stickers leaving the color code blank for grabber and special order colors  he painted it  Grabber Blue. It won a gold in DIVII back at SAAC 27 and has been driven sparingly since. It doesn't matter because it needs to be completely taken apart and every nut and bolt addressed to change the color back to the original purple it was born with and upgrade everything else to current standards. My goal is to have it done by its 50th B day.   
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Bill on September 27, 2018, 06:41:34 AM
Bob,

   Very cool, I love seeing factory documentation  8)
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: tesgt350 on September 27, 2018, 07:00:53 AM
http://www.thecoralsnake.com/1969paint
Here is another to add to the " few strangely colored cars came through breaking all the rules." It started out as a 1969 Shelby and evolved to be a 1970 Shelby. I attached a copy of the Shelby memo which indicates what color it was suppose to be and the color it was ultimately painted. Lavender is what it was referred to in the memo ,WT9083 does not have assigned name however it is in the purple category of shades in the Ford color chip books and it is referred to as Purple by the insurance company that ordered Cougars painted WT9083 from Ford. I believe those 69 Cougars that went down the same line are the same as the "part of a D.A.P. special order" referred to in the Shelby document. Apparently in Canada the cars of the Rocky Mountain Life insurance agents were of a purple motif much like the Mary K pink painted cars.  I also provided a link to one of a number of web sites devoted to the Rocky Mountain Life Purple Cougars  http://www3.telus.net/nowland/site/rml/rml-main/rmlmainpage.htm   . It is interesting to note in the Shelby document that Ford sent A.O. Smith 5 Gallons of WT9083 to paint (since they would have no such color) the Shelby fiberglass instead of maybe a gallon which would be more then enough normally. Sorry Vinman I never got around to sending this to you. I must have been preoccupied with teasing Ed about not having the only purple Shelby. ;D   That is bound to get him wound up .Ok I'm braced . ;)   My main motivation for buying the car back when was because I saw him shaking his head in disbelief after seeing this paperwork at the Fontana . The teasing factor out weighed the price I paid  ;) .  He teases me I tease him it is all in fun. It was restored in Grabber blue because the restorer (Micky G.) didn't believe the color he was finding and the paperwork had not come to light and what with the 70 door stickers leaving the color code blank for grabber and special order colors  he painted it  Grabber Blue. It won a gold in DIVII back at SAAC 27 and has been driven sparingly since. It doesn't matter because it needs to be completely taken apart and every nut and bolt addressed to change the color back to the original purple it was born with and upgrade everything else to current standards. My goal is to have it done by its 50th B day.   

Was the Lavender the same as what was used on the Thunderbird's & Lincoln's?
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Coralsnake on September 27, 2018, 07:02:50 AM
I guess that makes him Mr Gaines, mountain man.  8)


http://www3.telus.net/nowland/site/rml/things-purple/13.jpg (http://www3.telus.net/nowland/site/rml/things-purple/13.jpg)

A great website if you havent seen it


http://www3.telus.net/nowland/site/rml/rml-main/rmlmainpage.htm
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: mgreene on September 27, 2018, 08:50:26 AM
Pete, FYI, on this page:

http://www.thecoralsnake.com/1969paint (http://www.thecoralsnake.com/1969paint)

The link in the green "INDEX" button at the bottom is bad - the extension "HTML" is capitalized, but shouldn't be.
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Stillakid54 on September 27, 2018, 09:01:04 AM
Is it known what dealer ordered the RMC coloured car?
I grew up in Calgary and the purple cougars were a common site. A small number of other Ford and Mercury vehicles were ordered for I presume senior management.
The shade is very different than Ed's convertible.
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: propayne on September 27, 2018, 09:05:05 AM
Like Pete and his Coralsnake site, Robert Nowland has done an outstanding job researching and sharing his findings with everyone through his website.

Takes a lot of time and dedication and personal expense and a huge boon to the hobby.

As I've said, these cars (Shelbys, Mustangs, Cougars) were designed, engineered, built, marketed and raced by mostly the same group of people. You can learn a lot by looking at the "big" picture.

- Phillip
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Coralsnake on September 27, 2018, 09:40:11 AM
I think it says Universal Ford
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: SNAKEBIT on September 27, 2018, 08:08:08 PM
Very neat and interesting information! I'd love to see a Shelby in this color. So, Bob, you have one of the few lavender/purple Shelbys out there? Nice. I'd love to see your car when it is finished being painted. What color is your interior. Is it a convertible?
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Bob Gaines on September 27, 2018, 08:39:19 PM
Very neat and interesting information! I'd love to see a Shelby in this color. So, Bob, you have one of the few lavender/purple Shelbys out there? Nice. I'd love to see your car when it is finished being painted. What color is your interior. Is it a convertible?
It is not one of the few but the only Shelby painted this color from the factory. Ed's car is a different shade of purple and has metallic and it is the only Shelby painted that color (Midnight Orchid) . His is titled a 69 and mine went too Kar Kraft and was updated to a 70.  My car is a black interior white top convertible, auto ,air GT500. Although it was mislabeled lavender on the memo and order sheet . The official Ford designation for WT9093 is in the purple category as the factory color chips indicate. The first that I have seen of a name for the color according to the Purple Cougar website linked previously indicates Marti's report on the Cougars painted this color indicating that the WT9083 Ford code was referred to as Purple dawn and cross's with PPG number 50785 - PPG color library . It is basically silly semantics as far as the name goes however it is important in regards to my ongoing back and forth with my friend Ed Meyer. I was first vindicated when he wore a tie that he proudly said was purple but then admitted it was the color of my car or close to it  (he was getting ready for the wedding and it was too late to find another  ;) )  in the purple motif of his wedding some years ago. ;D
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Special Ed on September 27, 2018, 10:07:16 PM
I never seen  (nor picked out) the ties before my wedding donna did & each guy in the wedding wore a color tie to match the shelby or boss color of the car they drove in the wedding party from donnas home town church to my hometown reception party & any bar stops in between. My little brother gave me a bottle of some energy drink (the one in my hand) and said drink this u are going to need it since i had no sleep the nite before my wedding since people came into town from all over usa till late that nite since we had a welcome party at my building with all the cars & my signs etc. Well whatever was in that bottle worked because i was still up at 4 oclock sunday morning in the local bar full of friends family & car guys & that was 8 years ago & i cant do that today too old now. ha ha
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Bob Gaines on September 27, 2018, 11:46:13 PM
I never seen  (nor picked out) the ties before my wedding donna did & each guy in the wedding wore a color tie to match the shelby or boss color of the car they drove in the wedding party from donnas home town church to my hometown reception party & any bar stops in between. My little brother gave me a bottle of some energy drink (the one in my hand) and said drink this u are going to need it since i had no sleep the nite before my wedding since people came into town from all over usa till late that nite since we had a welcome party at my building with all the cars & my signs etc. Well whatever was in that bottle worked because i was still up at 4 oclock sunday morning in the local bar full of friends family & car guys & that was 8 years ago & i cant do that today too old now. ha ha
Yah right blame it on Donna :D or Saint Donna as she is now known as after marrying you. ;D ;D   
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: propayne on September 29, 2018, 07:26:29 AM
For those interested, here is a thread on the restoration of an '69, R code Rocky Mountain Purple Cougar convertible with lots of pics.

https://classiccougarcommunity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=9069

- Phillip
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Coralsnake on September 29, 2018, 08:13:36 AM
Coralsnake say very nice
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: SNAKEBIT on September 29, 2018, 01:39:47 PM
I really like Grabber Green and Grabber Blue.
Mr. Gaines, wow. So you and Ed have one of one cars. Must be nice. Rarity, within a rarity. I wonder how rare my future Shelby will be. It's nice to think about what color it may be in the future. Btw, I'm going to join S.A.A.C. as a paid member on Jan. 1. Is this when membership renews? I forgot what I read yesterday evening.
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: 2112 on September 29, 2018, 05:42:15 PM
I believe membership just renews on the anniversary of your join date.
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: SNAKEBIT on September 29, 2018, 10:27:27 PM
Oh, great. Can someone post pics of the Pastel Grey and the White. I am a little confused here. Also, the Competition Red looks like a sunset orange. Is that about correct? It looks like an orange-red. The Red is the same as the Candy Apple Red from the '68 year?
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Coralsnake on September 30, 2018, 07:45:23 AM
Pastel grey is actually closer to white

Comp Red is really Orange


Calypso Coral was also called Vermillion, Competition Red, Poppy Red, dark orange, WT 5185 and a number of other names depending on year and application.

http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=3176.msg28003#msg28003
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Bob Gaines on September 30, 2018, 02:42:38 PM
Pastel Grey is a different and separate color compared to Wimbledon White . They were two separate colors offered on 69/70 Shelby's
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Vcode on September 30, 2018, 05:26:56 PM
Here's a Pastel Grey.

https://www.428cobrajet.org/forum/index.php?topic=23838.msg160547#msg160547
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: 2112 on September 30, 2018, 06:02:50 PM
Here's a Pastel Grey.

https://www.428cobrajet.org/forum/index.php?topic=23838.msg160547#msg160547

On my screen, that looks very bluish.
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Bob Gaines on September 30, 2018, 06:54:41 PM
Here's a Pastel Grey.

https://www.428cobrajet.org/forum/index.php?topic=23838.msg160547#msg160547

On my screen, that looks very bluish.
That is the problem with computer monitors. It looks one way to one person and a different way to another. Predominately White with gray added as the name implys is one way to describe it.
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Special Ed on September 30, 2018, 07:07:53 PM
That mach1 could be aztec aqua.
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Special Ed on October 01, 2018, 08:41:26 AM
The reason my special order purple drag pack w-code loaded shelby gt 500 vert was built was to match a purple (midnite orchid metalic) 1969 t-bird the owner had ordered for his wife so they could have matching his hers new cars. After vinman & shelby club found all the invoices (with the help of lois eminger) back in mid 90s i could trace back the history thru the original selling dealer on the invoice. I went to the original selling dealership in wadsworth oh.  to interview & document & take photos of the salesman who was still selling cars & he wrote me a 2 page story of how he had  special ordered the cars. They had to use robert lowe (goodyear tire exec) a local akron oh. area friend connection to get the shelby special ordered painted ( one year only) purple t-bird color. The new owner mr young inherited millions from his grandmother who owned industrial companys in cleveland area. The shelby was ordered thru clevelands marshall moters mayfield heights shelby dealership since the original Wadsworth oh. ordering dealership wasnt a shelby franchise dealer so this car went thru 2 dealerships & 2 different guys ordering it to get built. When i got the original invoice from lois eminger there were 2 extra shelby snake letterheaded papers with notes about special order & rush order & my car had  first started out to be grabber blue before the special order paint order came thru. Best way to document special order info is bottom of buildsheet under remarks section (see coralsnake site photo of my buildsheet). M32j is the ford paint id # for factory applied acrylic enamel & 3204 is on 1969 ford paint chart chip midnite orchid metalic & is a one year only mercury lincoln offered color only.
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: 69mach351w on October 01, 2018, 11:35:51 AM
Heres another shade

http://www.thecoralsnake.com/WT9810 (http://www.thecoralsnake.com/WT9810)

It may not have been called “grabber”; but was it the same code?

Mr Gaines has a secret....his car didnt start off purple  ;)
Pete, am I looking at the VIN consecutive unit # right?  ALL Zeros ???
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Coralsnake on October 01, 2018, 11:50:26 AM
Its been digitally altered
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: 69mach351w on October 01, 2018, 12:19:16 PM
understandable
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Bob Gaines on October 01, 2018, 04:21:27 PM
You can see a scan of the early colors pre grabber introduction in a exterior color selection dealer hand out I have in the Miscellaneous For Sale section . http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=3149.0  Ed's car color Midnight Orchid is on there.
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: SNAKEBIT on October 02, 2018, 06:00:07 PM
That Pastel Grey in the picture is darker than on the dealer card. Maybe it's just because of computers changing tones or what not. I have not seen a pastel grey when doing  a search for '70 Shelby convertibles. It must be a pretty rare color to find.
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: mgreene on October 03, 2018, 07:41:01 AM
http://mustangattitude.com/mustang/1970/1970_00113_01.jpg (http://mustangattitude.com/mustang/1970/1970_00113_01.jpg)

1970 Shelby in Pastel Grey.
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Special Ed on October 03, 2018, 08:49:31 AM
The picture in # 35 post 69 mach 1 is aztex aqua as it has more light blue shade than pastel just look at color chart we got a 69 aztec aqua 428 cj vert here now & i think its more of a sky blue in color.
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: Vcode on October 03, 2018, 12:14:20 PM
The picture in # 35 post 69 mach 1 is aztex aqua as it has more light blue shade than pastel just look at color chart we got a 69 aztec aqua 428 cj vert here now & i think its more of a sky blue in color.

That Mach 1 was listed as being Pastel Grey.

Here's Aztec Aqua
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/107-031018121236.jpeg)
Title: Re: 1969 Grabber Colors?
Post by: SNAKEBIT on October 03, 2018, 01:08:51 PM
Yes, Special Ed, that is Aqua for sure. I guess I didn't look at it long enough.
Mgreene, that looks white. I just can't tell the difference between white and Pastel Grey, which also looks white on my computer. I'm so frustrated.