Just curious!
Is this a radio delete car with the radio?
Quote from: Bigblock on October 01, 2018, 12:28:41 PM
Just curious!
Is this a radio delete car with the radio?
(all '67 Shelby's came with a AM radio)
JD,
Are you stating that ALL 1967 GT350 and GT500 came with an AM radio? Or are you saying that all that all cars that received radios per the Invoice received an AM radio, but some cars were delivered without radios? The Invoice for my car does not list a radio. should I assume that the car was sold without a radio? I didn't purchase the car until the late 1970s and did have a radio at that time.
Thanks,
Dennis
It's rare to find the radio listed on the '67 Marti Reports in the statistics, but I have found a later VIN car that noted 2,762 cars were ordered as radio deletes.
I have one early car Marti Report that notes 461 (number hard to read) were ordered with an AM radio.
This is just hearsay, but I thought it was mentioned radios were installed at SA to save a few dollars from what Ford charged them.
Quote from: gt350cs on October 02, 2018, 12:30:40 PM
JD,
Are you stating that ALL 1967 GT350 and GT500 came with an AM radio? Or are you saying that all that all cars that received radios per the Invoice received an AM radio, but some cars were delivered without radios? The Invoice for my car does not list a radio. should I assume that the car was sold without a radio? I didn't purchase the car until the late 1970s and did have a radio at that time.
Thanks,
Dennis
They all came with radios as far I know but a extremely small few came with AM FM mono . I think I asked DM about AM 8 track and he said no.
Hello Dennis, It's been my understanding that the cars did have AM radios and at (SAAC) judging I believe it is expected that the car have one unless there is paperwork that can show (from delivery - not Marti Report) that it didn't or that it had other than the AM.
(I think that is what Bob G is saying above, but he doesn't need me to speak for him - I listen when Bob talks.)
With all the inconsistency's on the '67's I would not be surprised that a few got through without a radio but I don't imagine it's many. Could be the dealer wanted to make that radio sale and somehow made that happen?
Quote from: JD on October 02, 2018, 05:41:40 PM
Hello Dennis, It's been my understanding that the cars did have AM radios and at (SAAC) judging I believe it is expected that the car have one unless there is paperwork that can show (from delivery - not Marti Report) that it didn't or that it had other than the AM.
(I think that is what Bob G is saying above, but he doesn't need me to speak for him - I listen when Bob talks.)
With all the inconsistency's on the '67's I would not be surprised that a few got through without a radio but I don't imagine it's many. Could be the dealer wanted to make that radio sale and somehow made that happen?
+1A radio installation in 65 and 66 was more money if purchased through Ford on the assemblyline compared to what a dealer or outside contractor could do it for. That is why the radio installs on 65/66's were not done at Ford but High Performance Motors so Shelby could make more from my understanding. By 67 that loop hole was filled. Dealer installs would typically cost more in 67 to install from my understanding which is why you saw the radios being installed at Ford . Not to forget most 67 Shelby's were built on speculation not specific dealer orders. SA built the cars anticipating demand . With that in mind is probably one reason radios were installed on the vast majority if not all.
Thanks Bob and JD.
I just recently purchased copies of all the documents that Dave Mathews had on my 1967s. Included were Invoices on two of the cars, but none for the third. I was very surprised to see that the GT500 Invoice that I got did not list a radio. Most of the Invoices I have seen do show the radio. The Invoice did list the Deluxe Wheels at $151.74, which causes me to be curious as to why no radio is listed. The production Order Form listed under Optional Equipment the Deluxe Wheels but the Radio is blank. I pulled the radio out years ago and put it up, but I don't recall what was in the car when I got it. Guess I try to figure out where I put it.
Thanks again for the information.
Dennis
I want to apologize to the original poster for taking this thread off track. I am sure that you have a very nice car for sale and as attested be Stephen Becker worth the price. The focus of this discussion should have remained your car. In my seeing the comments about radios I should have taken my questions offline with the individuals who made comments concerning radios.
Please accept my apology and let's get back to helping you with the sale of your car.
Dennis
Hi Dennis,
Thanks for your concern. Whatever we can do to help the saac community is good with me. Also just validating my car. The more comments, discussions, the merrier
sfm5s081,
Thanks, I just felt bad when I looked back through the thread and saw where we were. I see this happen all the time and I should be more careful to not be the one to take away from the intent of the posting. Since you don't mind the interruption, I would like to ask JD and Bob if the documents I have would be verification that the car was delivered to the Dealership without a radio. That being the case I would assume without confirmation of a dealer installed radio the car should be radio delete. Is this correct?
Quote from: gt350cs on October 03, 2018, 03:33:10 PM
sfm5s081,
Thanks, I just felt bad when I looked back through the thread and saw where we were. I see this happen all the time and I should be more careful to not be the one to take away from the intent of the posting. Since you don't mind the interruption, I would like to ask JD and Bob if the documents I have would be verification that the car was delivered to the Dealership without a radio. That being the case I would assume without confirmation of a dealer installed radio the car should be radio delete. Is this correct?
I would not assume . I have seen the radio left off invoices before. I have seen Marti Autoworks reports differ in wording between similar equipped cars. The same with Ford documentation. That in itself is not a smoking gun. Maybe clerical maybe just because they were occasionally written up differently. The price of the car would be different too. It would be out of the ordinary IMO not to have a radio just like in 68 and 69/70. If you entered in concours and given what the consensus of opinion is, the burden of proof would be on you to prove that it was a radio delete car beyond a Marti report or dealer invoice that left it off. A comparison of dealer invoices between your car and another equally equipped compared to yours that differed in invoice price all other things equal (shipping etc.) would be compelling for instance. Have you reached out to Dave Mathews? He may have more insight on if it did or if it didn't . Of course on a radio delete car like some 65 and 66's were equipped they didn't have a antenna. Does your fender have a hole for a antenna now and has the fender ever been replaced?
Might want to look through the DSO group and its related Add/Delete sheets as well as other cars built in the same group since your focusing, so far by focusing on the Marti report, on how San Jose built the car rather than how the car was sold to the first buyer.
Just an idea but believe you will find that the Add/Delete sheets will not show anything concerning the radio and that the other cars built under the same instructions received radios. Are the doors original to the car? And if so do they have the speaker holes cut out?
Just a few things to check and evidence/data points to collect ;)
Quote from: Bob Gaines on October 03, 2018, 05:58:46 PM
Quote from: gt350cs on October 03, 2018, 03:33:10 PM
sfm5s081,
Thanks, I just felt bad when I looked back through the thread and saw where we were. I see this happen all the time and I should be more careful to not be the one to take away from the intent of the posting. Since you don't mind the interruption, I would like to ask JD and Bob if the documents I have would be verification that the car was delivered to the Dealership without a radio. That being the case I would assume without confirmation of a dealer installed radio the car should be radio delete. Is this correct?
I would not assume . I have seen the radio left off invoices before. I have seen Marti Autoworks reports differ in wording between similar equipped cars. The same with Ford documentation. That in itself is not a smoking gun. Maybe clerical maybe just because they were occasionally written up differently. The price of the car would be different too. It would be out of the ordinary IMO not to have a radio just like in 68 and 69/70. If you entered in concours and given what the consensus of opinion is, the burden of proof would be on you to prove that it was a radio delete car beyond a Marti report or dealer invoice that left it off. A comparison of dealer invoices between your car and another equally equipped compared to yours that differed in invoice price all other things equal (shipping etc.) would be compelling for instance. Have you reached out to Dave Mathews? He may have more insight on if it did or if it didn't . Of course on a radio delete car like some 65 and 66's were equipped they didn't have a antenna. Does your fender have a hole for a antenna now and has the fender ever been replaced?
Bob, do you mean SA invoices versus a dealer window sticker?
Earlier in this thread I mentioned a cost savings to SA as a possible factor in why many '67's might have been shipped from San Jose as a radio delete car with the intention of getting installed at SA.
If the Marti reports are correct (even though we know they are not consistent and occasionally off a few numbers in totals) could it be that all early cars were equipped with the AM radio from Ford (Marti reports 461 units). If customer complaints starting rolling in about radio interference perhaps SA changed their orders to radio delete cars from Ford (Marti reports 2,762 units). Then the antenna could be relocated to the rear quarter and also dealer installed to save assembly time at LAX too. If so, did SA supply the radio and antenna or did the dealer order them From Ford. The SA invoice might not reflect the $47.17 charge, but the window sticker from the dealer would have the charge ($57.51 retail). Either way, I imagine some cars might have been sold without a radio to reduce costs for a strapped customer.
As Jeff said, we need to check the DSO's for radio delete's and report back with any findings.
Quote from: Richstang on October 03, 2018, 06:48:16 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on October 03, 2018, 05:58:46 PM
Quote from: gt350cs on October 03, 2018, 03:33:10 PM
sfm5s081,
Thanks, I just felt bad when I looked back through the thread and saw where we were. I see this happen all the time and I should be more careful to not be the one to take away from the intent of the posting. Since you don't mind the interruption, I would like to ask JD and Bob if the documents I have would be verification that the car was delivered to the Dealership without a radio. That being the case I would assume without confirmation of a dealer installed radio the car should be radio delete. Is this correct?
I would not assume . I have seen the radio left off invoices before. I have seen Marti Autoworks reports differ in wording between similar equipped cars. The same with Ford documentation. That in itself is not a smoking gun. Maybe clerical maybe just because they were occasionally written up differently. The price of the car would be different too. It would be out of the ordinary IMO not to have a radio just like in 68 and 69/70. If you entered in concours and given what the consensus of opinion is, the burden of proof would be on you to prove that it was a radio delete car beyond a Marti report or dealer invoice that left it off. A comparison of dealer invoices between your car and another equally equipped compared to yours that differed in invoice price all other things equal (shipping etc.) would be compelling for instance. Have you reached out to Dave Mathews? He may have more insight on if it did or if it didn't . Of course on a radio delete car like some 65 and 66's were equipped they didn't have a antenna. Does your fender have a hole for a antenna now and has the fender ever been replaced?
Bob, do you mean SA invoices versus a dealer window sticker?
Earlier in this thread I mentioned a cost savings to SA as a possible factor in why many '67's might have been shipped from San Jose as a radio delete car with the intention of getting installed at SA.
If the Marti reports are correct (even though we know they are not consistent and occasionally off a few numbers in totals) could it be that all early cars were equipped with the AM radio from Ford (Marti reports 461 units). If customer complaints starting rolling in about radio interference perhaps SA changed their orders to radio delete cars from Ford (Marti reports 2,762 units). Then the antenna could be relocated to the rear quarter and also dealer installed to save assembly time at LAX too. If so, did SA supply the radio and antenna or did the dealer order them From Ford. The SA invoice might not reflect the $47.17 charge, but the window sticker from the dealer would have the charge ($57.51 retail). Either way, I imagine some cars might have been sold without a radio to reduce costs for a strapped customer.
As Jeff said, we need to check the DSO's for radio delete's and report back with any findings.
You would want to use SA invoices to the dealer if comparing to each other. Apples to apples so to speak. DSO as Jeff suggested would be another comparison. The antennas were overwhelmingly installed on the front fender . Rarely were the antenna's installed on the rear quarter by comparison. You are making a big assumption that "many" cars were radio delete and that there may be some intent to have SA install them instead. As many examples have shown something that could be done at Ford was cheaper to have done at Ford rather then SA. Initially as I mentioned earlier 65 and 66 models were all ordered radio delete because Shelby could have a contractor do the job cheaper or at least paperwork wise ;) . that might be another story in itself ::) . Radios were not installed as a matter of practice at SA in 67 . The same goes for antennas . The antenna was typically installed by the dealer at pre delivery. The antennas were typically included in the trunk by Ford after installing the radio on the assemblyline. The typical Shelby buyer would not fit the strapped for cash consumer. I'm not saying it couldn't happen but is out of the ordinary. Can you give some insight as to the questions about fender if original ,replaced or if antenna hole posed previously?
This line of discussion about radios should be in another thread if nothing else so others in the future can easier search subject matter. I hope the moderator will make a executive decision and split it off. I will bring it to his attention.
As Bob stated the radios (for '67's) were installed by Ford and the antenna kit was in a box in the trunk. In the box was a template for locating the antenna on the front passenger fender.
Not installing the antenna saved the chances of damage during shipping or sitting in holding lots. It was part of the dealer prep.
As far as Marti reports and the way he listed or didn't list the radio I found after looking through 110 examples I had handy that only 19 of the 110 had radios mentioned at all in the option column at the bottom. And when they did most fell into groups with similar vins suggesting IMHO the possibility that it might have something to do with the way Ford coded the option on the mirco fiche during certain periods of production
Just sharing for the discussion ;)
Perhaps the 65-66 LAX contractor story Bob mentioned was rumored/moved up to the '67 year as misinformation. It does make sense that a radio would be installed cheaper at the Ford factory than by SA at LAX. I'll back off that theory. Certainly SA didn't need to add more work to complete these cars on an already burdened assembly line. As JD said, leaving off the antennas for the dealer to install would help to prevent damage and also save time for the assembly time at LAX. So this begs the question why Marti would have so many units listed without radios. I have not found anything in the few DSO sheets I have about radio deletes.
The Marti reports continue to haunt me. After reading Jeff's reply I looked at my files. I too have over 100 of them. There are several Marti's that don't list radios while they are found on those cars SA Invoices. At the same time I have found some cars with no mention of radios on either Marti or the invoice. (I should mention the two Marti's that have the quantity of cars, with and without radios listed, were both from over 15 years ago (2001 & 2003). Since then, none of the newer Marti's I have listed them in the statics section. Jeff might be on to something with his coding issue theory.
Getting back to comparing SA Invoices; I've found six SA invoices without radios listed. Each is from a completely different optioned car; GT350 / GT500, auto / 4-spd, emission / no emissions. The VIN numbers are also spread out over the entire production run as low as in the 200's and as high as 2300's. Not much help so far.
I look forward to hearing from Dennis on Bob's fender question; original, replaced, or antenna hole...
Quote from: Richstang on October 03, 2018, 10:35:19 PM
The Marti reports continue to haunt me. After reading Jeff's reply I looked at my files. I too have over 100 of them. There are several Marti's that don't list radios while they are found on those cars SA Invoices. At the same time I have found some cars with no mention of radios on either Marti or the invoice. (I should mention the two Marti's that have the quantity of cars, with and without radios listed, were both from over 15 years ago (2001 & 2003). Since then, none of the newer Marti's I have listed them in the statics section. Jeff might be on to something with his coding issue theory.
Just to continue this part of the discussion and my findings I did check the printing dates on the reports with the radio listed and found (of the 19 I mentioned) they were produced/printed by Kevin across the spectrum. As early as 2003 and as late as 2018 so IMHO it appears that its not a difference (listing or not listing) in his current verses past practices as far as I can tell.
Sorry should have mentioned that to have saved you some time ::)
No worries, regarding the marti report issued date, I was only referring to the "statistic" section on the right with the radio quantities, not the options section on the left.
The saga continues to amaze me. Just when I think everything is known about these cars another question or point of view surfaces. :)
My car #1317 had an AM radio when I bought it in June 1977 but neither the Marti Report nor the
shipping document has radio marked on it. The shipping document says Westwood Ford Pico Rivera Inventory.
Texas Swede
What crossed my mind is that having the radio installed would have complicated the installation of the gauge pod under the dash. Perhaps they were shipped to Shelby and installed post the wiring and installation of the under dash units? That would make perfect sense dealing with the oil tubing and wiring involved.
-Keith
Quote from: 1967 eight barrel on October 07, 2018, 03:04:35 AM
What crossed my mind is that having the radio installed would have complicated the installation of the gauge pod under the dash. Perhaps they were shipped to Shelby and installed post the wiring and installation of the under dash units? That would make perfect sense dealing with the oil tubing and wiring involved.
-Keith
A logical premise for a theory based on circumstantial evidence however from my point of view the radio has little to do installed or not installed advantage wise for the installation of the gauge pod and associated wiring. A slight advantage making it easier to install the bracket but no additional advantage when installing the oil line or amp gauge wiring. At least the way I do it .
If any of these cars were actually ordered "radio delete" wouldn't they have the dummy or radio delete housing in the dash? Any photographic evidence of cars at Shelby awaiting to be finished? I've not seen any interior shots of those cars.
When I purchased my car it came with AM-FM mono but there is no documentation of radio at all on the Marti report.
Kurt.
i have some radio delete plates if needed
Quote from: 67350#1242 on October 07, 2018, 02:50:46 PM
If any of these cars were actually ordered "radio delete" wouldn't they have the dummy or radio delete housing in the dash? Any photographic evidence of cars at Shelby awaiting to be finished? I've not seen any interior shots of those cars.
When I purchased my car it came with AM-FM mono but there is no documentation of radio at all on the Marti report.
Kurt.
One of the earlier GT500 magazine road test cars was #0173. It was shown with the blank radio dash housing.
On the other hand the GT500 #0100 was shown with the radio.
I had forgotten about that picture. What magazine and issue was that from? Did the engine compartment shot look strange? I was going through my magazine collection and all of the other magazine cars where you could see the dash area showed radios. The article with the super snake in front of Mel Burns Ford showed a radio but no antenna installed .
Quote from: Bob Gaines on October 07, 2018, 04:19:08 PM
I had forgotten about that picture. What magazine and issue was that from? Did the engine compartment shot look strange? I was going through my magazine collection and all of the other magazine cars where you could see the dash area showed radios. The article with the super snake in front of Mel Burns Ford showed a radio but no antenna installed .
I don't have the issue handy, but believe it to be Motor Trend's April 67 issue. The interior photo is either in the issue or an outtake. Here's that strange engine compartment.
Most of the Magazine's tested the GT500 #0100 (Auto - A/C, no emissions) in December '66 (for their Feb / March issues).
The GT500 #0173 (4-spd - no A/C, no emissions) was tested in February '67.
The white GT350 #0050 (4-spd - no A/C, no emissions) tested in Dec and Feb had both a radio and fender mounted antenna.
Quote from: Richstang on October 07, 2018, 05:10:58 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on October 07, 2018, 04:19:08 PM
I had forgotten about that picture. What magazine and issue was that from? Did the engine compartment shot look strange? I was going through my magazine collection and all of the other magazine cars where you could see the dash area showed radios. The article with the super snake in front of Mel Burns Ford showed a radio but no antenna installed .
I don't have the issue handy, but believe it to be Motor Trend's April 67 issue. The interior photo is either in the issue or an outtake. Here's that strange engine compartment.
Most of the Magazine's tested the GT500 #0100 (Auto - A/C, no emissions) in December '66 (for their Feb / March issues).
The GT500 #0173 (4-spd - no A/C, no emissions) was tested in February '67.
The white GT350 #0050 (4-spd - no A/C, no emissions) tested in Dec and Feb had both a radio and fender mounted antenna.
I found it . Those same pictures where used in other issues beside the April MT. May ,HI-PERFORMANCE CARS also. It has a strange engine shot . I am not sure how relevant it is but it is a coincidence that it has this strange engine shot which is out of the ordinary as well as and the radio delete which is out of the ordinary. It isn't strange that the other magazine cars that show radios would have a antenna installed given they were meant to show a finished car and not one having to have things done to it. The Supersnake car is strange because it is all finished except adding the antenna at the dealer . Hero shots of the car would typically have everything done.
Sorry, I was referring to the wrong documents in my earlier post. Ir was not shipping documents but
Production Order.
Texas Swede
Hi to all 67 fans !
Just looked at this again from the Ford side and noticed it is column # 63 on the V.O.I. that shows type of audio equipment....so when you are looking over the Marti report please check this
column and see if there is a digit---The report may not have it listed in the options section,yet it may still be on the report if this column contains a digit. Kinda technical but sorta important.
Thanks for showing the pictures of a radio delete car ! I also must wonder if they experienced a parts shortage sometime during production ??? Remember 472,000 Mustangs built was a big
year....and Cougar shared many of the parts....imagine if you had the contract to supply just radios!!! Also wanted to mention that radios and antenna lead in cables both have date codes...
so if the car is apart it should be simple enough to prove the manufactured date at the very least. Also keep in mind dealers could delete an option when and if the car was special ordered (which
was extremely rare for these cars) Now off to find Sgt. Peppers to enjoy !!
Regards R.R. 8)
Hi RR,
Thanks for the heads up on the Marti Reports.
There are dozens of Marti's in my files with NO radio listed in the options section along with the digit "2" missing in the VOI column.
When there is a "2" in that column the radio is listed in the "options" on all the copies I have.
Also, I believe the column to look for the radio is #58 not #63.
Your point about the date code is a very good one. If the date code is after the car was built at San Hose, it would indicate it was either changed at some point later or added at either LAX or the selling dealer. I suppose we might be able to narrow it down further if the date code is also after the SA build date or the SA shipping date as well.
Where is the date code located on the '67 Philco AM radio (7TPZ)? The AM/FM was made by Bendix and I believe those are date stamped. Not sure about the AM/8-Track. That was a Motorola unit.
I don't recall ever seeing a date code on the AM radio.
Craig R.
Quote from: Road Reptile on October 11, 2018, 08:26:52 PM
............... Also keep in mind dealers could delete an option when and if the car was special ordered (which
was extremely rare for these cars) ...........
Believe a special order was not needed to get a car without a radio. Ford charged the same amount for putting an AM in a car as they charged ($57 and change) for a Shelby so not marking the box meant neither got built with a radio. Nothing else needed and not really a delete if your car didn't have one.
J_Speegle" had a good point about checking the DSO's in an earlier post. I meant to get back to this sooner. I sent Brian Styles an email asking if any of the AM radios on the microfilm DSO's were listed as an option or as a deleted item. I mentioned the early and late VIN #'s of the 2 cars that had reported them (1 early build with and 1 late build without) in the 15 year old Marti Reports. I have his permission to post his reply. "A review of the film seems to indicate that the last DSO that itemized an AM radio as part of the option block was DSO 2570. Typed 11/1/66, Received 11/28/66". He thought the AM radio would be part of the basic Shelby GT350 or GT500 package, thus the AM Radio may not be listed on the Marti Reports even though they all likely had one.
"Road Reptile" mentions the VOI section at the top of Marti reports. Brian has a page that helps us to decode all those digits as well. That's where I found the Radio info as found in column #58. http://www.1967shelbyconvertible.com/research/decode.asp
Previously, I mentioned #0173 in a post as a car photographed (magazine testing) without a radio. As Bob pointed out, that car had some oddities beyond the blank radio plate.
I thought I should add that it was a SA Engineering car, which might have a lot to do with any changes from what was typical in production.
"Brian Styles" also mentions inconsistencies in the Ford records versus how the cars were actually built. He referred me to this page on his website where we can see numerous items are not the same as reported by Ford on the Marti Reports, versus what was actually built on the cars. He gets into engine codes (S / Q), axle ratios, wheels, and a couple of other items. It's interesting reading that we need to keep in mind.
http://www.1967shelbyconvertible.com/research/authentication/marti-report.asp
Does anyone have a more enlarged (zoomed) version of the IBM card decode? On my monitor and eyeballs its too small.
Thanks
Quote from: Bigblock on October 26, 2018, 08:19:03 AM
Does anyone have a more enlarged (zoomed) version of the IBM card decode? On my monitor and eyeballs its too small.
Thanks
There is a link below the VOI card to let you enlarge the photo. It looks like the #58 Column reads "RADIO/TAPE/ANT. (Antenna)
At the risk of hijacking this thread - I have a related question.
'67 289 HiPo plug leads (as used on 67 GT350) are listed by most concours parts suppliers as being 'solid core' - ie not radio suppression. But many (most?) '67 GT350s had radios, and you can't hear the radio with the engine running on solid core plug leads due to interference (ask me how I know...!).
I don't believe Ford or Shelby would have fitted solid core with radio. So which plug leads are correct for this configuration of vehicle? Did they just use the standard suppression core wires on cars with radios?
Thanks
David
The latest understanding is that Radio suppression wires were typically used.
Quote from: 67350#1242 on November 14, 2018, 10:44:07 AM
The latest understanding is that Radio suppression wires were typically used.
To add to the above post , evidence from other years Shelby which were documented to be delivered to SA without radios also were delivered with the spark suppression wires and coborated with vintage photographs is strong evidence to conclude that the spark suppression wires were the vast majority in all cars regardless of if installed with radio or not.
Quote from: Skidado on November 14, 2018, 07:35:19 AM
'67 289 HiPo plug leads (as used on 67 GT350) are listed by most concours parts suppliers as being 'solid core' - ie not radio suppression. ...
Just the residual of the influence of older rules, applying documentation incorrectly and past practices. We continue to learn and the ever so slight (well most of the time) adjustments in show rules shows that over time
Ok thanks - so I should just fit standard 289 radio suppression wires?
David
Quote from: Skidado on November 15, 2018, 10:19:47 AM
Ok thanks - so I should just fit standard 289 radio suppression wires?
David
Yes you should if you want to be historically correct. ;)
When I bought my 67 GT500 from S&C Ford (#0962), it had an Am/Fm radio, also Hub Caps. They had just taken delivery of it the day before so I assume it was not put in by S&C.
Quote from: 6s2055 on November 15, 2018, 12:06:33 PM
When I bought my 67 GT500 from S&C Ford (#0962), it had an Am/Fm radio, also Hub Caps. They had just taken delivery of it the day before so I assume it was not put in by S&C.
AM FM radio installed would be one of very few. The overwhelming majority were AM.
In the 7TPZ radio part number sequence:
7=year
T=transistor (rather than tube which would have a number for number of tubes)
P=Philco
Z=Mustang
A good visual resource:
https://sites.google.com/site/identifyingcarradios/home/radios-1/ford-2
There's no doubt the '67 Shelby's were delivered to dealers with the antenna in the trunk.
There are numerous photos of dealer lots showing cars with no antennas installed.
Including JD Ball Ford, Tasca Ford, Sud Automotive, Fogg Motors, Spaniol Ford, Frontier Ford, Carey Paul Ford, etc
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-201218093434-23981895.jpeg)
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-201218093434-24201269.jpeg)
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-201218093434-24211748.jpeg)
Quote from: Richstang on October 25, 2018, 06:11:59 PM
J_Speegle" had a good point about checking the DSO's in an earlier post. I meant to get back to this sooner. I sent Brian Styles an email asking if any of the AM radios on the microfilm DSO's were listed as an option or as a deleted item. I mentioned the early and late VIN #'s of the 2 cars that had reported them (1 early build with and 1 late build without) in the 15 year old Marti Reports. I have his permission to post his reply. "A review of the film seems to indicate that the last DSO that itemized an AM radio as part of the option block was DSO 2570. Typed 11/1/66, Received 11/28/66". He thought the AM radio would be part of the basic Shelby GT350 or GT500 package, thus the AM Radio may not be listed on the Marti Reports even though they all likely had one.
"Road Reptile" mentions the VOI section at the top of Marti reports. Brian has a page that helps us to decode all those digits as well. That's where I found the Radio info as found in column #58. http://www.1967shelbyconvertible.com/research/decode.asp
Previously, I mentioned #0173 in a post as a car photographed (magazine testing) without a radio. As Bob pointed out, that car had some oddities beyond the blank radio plate.
I thought I should add that it was a SA Engineering car, which might have a lot to do with any changes from what was typical in production.
"Brian Styles" also mentions inconsistencies in the Ford records versus how the cars were actually built. He referred me to this page on his website where we can see numerous items are not the same as reported by Ford on the Marti Reports, versus what was actually built on the cars. He gets into engine codes (S / Q), axle ratios, wheels, and a couple of other items. It's interesting reading that we need to keep in mind.
http://www.1967shelbyconvertible.com/research/authentication/marti-report.asp
Update
#0173 was in a DSO group that did NOT get an AM radio installed at SJ. Thus the photo.
As an engineering car (not a PR car) SAI would have no reason to add costs by installing a radio.
There is documentation confirming how many cars had radios installed at the SJ plant. I wish we had information on how many cars had radios installed at SA/Hi-Performance Motors . SA had radios added after deliver from SJ in 65 ,66 and 67 because they could get it done for less money then having Ford install them . Lew Spencers Hi-Pperformance Motors is who SA have do the radio installs.