If I were traveling with my Shelby, either driving or on an open trailer and needed to stay overnight in a hotel/motel I'd be interested to here ideas for security. High tech, low tech, any thing.
Thanks in advance
Ted
Good insurance, maybe a battery cutoff switch and otherwise, enjoy the car and don't worry about it! There are many cars on the road that have similar values to our Shelby cars. That's my approach for what it's worth.
That is a tough one. Stay in B&B's if possible that way you have limited guests. Remove the coil wire, only takes a second and very few thieves would carry one with them. I actually lock my trailer safety chains with a lock so they can't be removed from the truck. I don't agree with "don't worry about it" but I do agree with "enjoy your car". Take as many precautions as you can but if someone wants to take a car, even at home in your garage they will take it. I have heard of thieves actually hooking on to garage doors tearing them off the house or garage then with a roll back, taking the car.
I'd be inclined to sleep in the car. But I'm single and have that liberty to "rough it" without hearing any complaints about it.
Quote from: deathsled on November 04, 2018, 09:03:48 PM
I'd be inclined to sleep in the car. But I'm single and have that liberty to "rough it" without hearing any complaints about it.
I have done that, within the past year. Actually, slept in my truck that was pulling the open trailer my Shelby was on. Wasn't a good rest at all, but better than being paranoid about the car all night while I'm in a hotel room...and getting even less sleep.
I have used very long & stout cables to padlock the car to the trailer frame, through all four wheels. Also padlocked the trailer safety chains to the hitch. And tried most everything else.
Removing the coil wire is a good quick one for when you're driving the car and stop into a restaurant or somewhere you can't keep an eye on it.
But...yep, if they want it, they'll get it.
I read somewhere that Kopec had signs on his trailer to the effect that he was hauling beef carcasses or the like. You could also add some bio hazard signs or even radioactive signs on the trailer as a deterrent in addition to any other methods you seem fit.
Switch the coil wire and any spark plug wire on the cap, it looks okay but will only fire on one cylinder, "almost" starts. You can add about 9 locks to the trailer and truck, toss an older IPhone under the seat and use the "find my IPhone app", a boot on the trailer wheels to secure everything.
Sleeping in the car is something I can say is not as comfortable as it once was, but can be done. It can sleep two, but it really a poor excuse for a bed.
Really god insurance helps also
Or just hire a redneck with a gun
Quote from: deathsled on November 04, 2018, 09:25:50 PM
I read somewhere that Kopec had signs on his trailer to the effect that he was hauling beef carcasses or the like. You could also add some bio hazard signs or even radioactive signs on the trailer as a deterrent in addition to any other methods you seem fit.
Quote from: deathsled on November 04, 2018, 09:25:50 PM
I read somewhere that Kopec had signs on his trailer to the effect that he was hauling beef carcasses or the like. You could also add some bio hazard signs or even radioactive signs on the trailer as a deterrent in addition to any other methods you seem fit.
Also CT Pit Bull Rehab Center.
Best to stay in good areas and park where you can see trailer good motion alarm etc
Put a Datsun or Yugo decal on there.
Quote from: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 04, 2018, 09:33:33 PM
Quote from: deathsled on November 04, 2018, 09:25:50 PM
I read somewhere that Kopec had signs on his trailer to the effect that he was hauling beef carcasses or the like. You could also add some bio hazard signs or even radioactive signs on the trailer as a deterrent in addition to any other methods you seem fit.
Gotta love it! Assuming the thief can read of course. Or interpret warnings.
This looks pretty good.
https://www.sleepercellalarm.com/
I love this. I have it on one of our cars.
https://www.amazon.com/Spy-Tec-Portable-Personal-Vehicle/dp/B00JG8KCLO/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1541435969&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=gps+tracker+for+vehicles&dpPl=1&dpID=41J1yks9OIL&ref=plSrch
Signs?
Beware of Dog
Insured by Smith & Wesson
I carry a gun 3 days a week, you guess which 3
Can you buy a Denver boot?
One thing I do when trailering the car is to back the trailer up against a wall or tree or some other immovable object. That makes it impossible to unload the car without moving the whole rig. I also don't leave the keys in the ignition and I have a battery cutoff. Lastly, I have audible alarms - my Powerstroke is anything but quiet and the Shelby can be heard over the racket from the diesel. Neither one is much fun to push.
A large fully charged industrial capacitor attached to the door handle with a hidden off on switch. Sort of like a taser on steroids. Be sure to put the damp metal plate in the ground to insure good contact
You guys have some great ideas. All these seem important:
Vigilance
Insurance
Alarms
Denver boots
Tracking
Parking location
Hollow points
Creative wiring
Good lawyer
If I trailer the Shelby more, I'll think about buying a portable doggie fence with three pit bulls on the inside, to guard my rig.
Screw the mileage, this the perfect traveling rig.
Nobody in their right mind would bother it
Plus any slow cars (@i.e. "Prius") are ripe for the taking
I like the capacitor idea
Quote from: TedS on November 04, 2018, 07:35:41 PM
If I were traveling with my Shelby, either driving or on an open trailer and needed to stay overnight in a hotel/motel I'd be interested to here ideas for security. High tech, low tech, any thing.
Thanks in advance
Ted
SHELBY?! I think I'd be investing in an enclosed trailer!
Quote from: Bigfoot on November 05, 2018, 08:05:34 PM
I like the capacitor idea
It has to be big enough to make them lose bowel and bladder control, but not enough to kill them. Be sure that car is on rubber flooring to protect it. Used to get them at Army/Navy Surplus stores
Don't get one big enough to kill them, then it skirts actroublesome area of the law
Also big sure to have a big, really big warning sign on the Dorrie, warning of "Possible Electrocution and Death if tapered with"
Sign on the side of trailer should indicate that you are carrying high tension electrical supplies
I've been driving cross country for several decades in classic cars, including Shelby's . By following two easy to observe guidelines, I've never had any issues wih damages, or security.
1). Don't stay in a big city if possible. Plan your trip so every overnight is in a small town
2) my first stop in the overnight location was always at the local Police Dept. I presented myself as a tourist. and asked if I could park my Shelby overnight in the secure Police Dept. lot adjacent to Police HQ.
Without exception, the Police were not only agreeable, but they were downright enthusiastic about having an opportunity to see closeup a premier example of American automotive history. I did give a few rides, and was happy to do so.
I never lost a minute of sleep worrying about the cars safety, and had the bonus of spreading a lot of good vibes along my journeys.
Z
Don't leave your gun in the glove compartment. Wear a shoulder holster and pretend your are Lt. Bullet. ;)
Quote from: zray on November 05, 2018, 09:19:46 PM
I've been driving cross country for several decades in classic cars, including Shelby's . By following two easy to observe guidelines, I've never had any issues wih damages, or security.
1). Don't stay in a big city if possible. Plan your trip so every overnight is in a small town
2) my first stop in the overnight location was always at the local Police Dept. I presented myself as a tourist. and asked if I could park my Shelby overnight in the secure Police Dept. lot adjacent to Police HQ.
Without exception, the Police were not only agreeable, but they were downright enthusiastic about having an opportunity to see closeup a premier example of American automotive history. I did give a few rides, and was happy to do so.
I never lost a minute of sleep worrying about the cars safety, and had the bonus of spreading a lot of good vibes along my journeys.
Z
Great words of wisdom - thanks!
This slight modification should do it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLhWzMOccTg
Trailer? You don't need no stinking trailer! 8)
Unfortunately, this only works in states that are reciprocal. NY, CT and MA form a barrier that effectively prevents me from lawfully carrying in ME, VT & NH if I travel by car. Too bad we don't have an enumerated right to "keep and bear arms" that would apply equally in every state. I guess I should be grateful that my driver's license is reciprocal (for now). >:(
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 05, 2018, 09:57:30 PM
Don't leave your gun in the glove compartment. Wear a shoulder holster and pretend your are Lt. Bullet. ;)
Food for thought.....
In the current day and time we live in, I wonder how many people would actually kill someone if you caught them trying to take your car. You will not only take the persons life, but probably wind up in jail for many years destroying your own family in the process and the car would be sold anyway to pay your legal bills.
Remember, the legal system doesn't see protecting a vehicle as protecting yourself through use of deadly force as a justified right. Only use a gun if you are willing to accept the full consequence of the law and know it will be against you. This is one case where you need to let the police do their job.
Quote from: Greg on November 06, 2018, 09:23:50 AM
".......Remember, the legal system doesn't see protecting a vehicle as protecting yourself through use of deadly force as a justified right. Only use a gun if you are willing to accept the full consequence of the law and know it will be against you. This is one case where you need to let the police do their job.
^^^^^^^ +1
Loss of vehicle, whether thru theft or accident, is something that I pay Hagerty to worry about. There are very few, if any, Shelby's that cannot be replaced with another Shelby of equal value. Sure, it will be a pain in the butt, and be time consuming, but there aren't many "one of one" cars that aren't already in some museum.
Z
100% correct Greg. I did not mean to imply that I would use deadly force to prevent an otherwise non-life threatening theft. Responsible gun ownership includes knowing when, where and why it should come out of the holster in addition to knowing what to do when it does come out.
That being said, I do believe I would confront anyone attempting to make off with my car, truck or trailer. What happens after that is entirely up to them. Running away would be their best option.
One other thing my car has that makes it less appealing to a thief - it's a stick shift. I'm pretty sure that over half of younger would-be car thieves couldn't drive it.
I think if you make it unattractive to steal, parking in a police department is a great idea, adds lots of locks, cut off switch's, chains, Denver boots and the like you can make a thief move on to something easier to steal. You certainly don't want to mark the enclosed trailer with a big Shelby photo or sticker, you are raising a red flag to "steal me". I try and park it in areas that preclude stealing, lock it up, locks on the hood, steering wheel lock, lock bar between brakes and steering wheel and few other choice items. I did get as a gift in the "goodie bag" at the NRA show a few years back a real neat cable lock for a gun. Since I don't own a gun, I have used it to lock the hood latch from underneath. Real hard to cut and real hard to get off if you don't have the key.
I've driven mine a lot, parked it in a lot of hotel lots, restaurants, museums, etc. and have only had one thing stolen, that was the hood pins in Disneyland in the middle 70's
Like someone mentioned, stay diligent, don't do stupid things, don't draw attention to the car and take as many safety precautions as possible. If you get real paranoid and worry that everyonevis out to steal it, then you will never enjoy it and isn't the enjoyment of driving a legend the best part of having a Shelby?
I'll add my 2 cents, I always check out my planned stops (hotels & Restaurants) via Google earth. You can check for parking access, lighting, neighboring businesses or potential problem areas ahead of time. Some Hotel chains provide better lighting, camera's and even nighttime security patrol. When traveling with a friend and his trailer at night we will intentionally park alongside each other facing in opposite directions. We park as close as possible, this covers our side access doors.
I have additional locks on my ramp and side access doors which are activated remotely in addition to the factory locks. My truck has a remote kill switch that disables the electrics, besides that I have the usual locks on the truck ball hitch, and trailer hitch release. My trailer is a "plain jane" white trailer with no identifying decals or markings, I have welded the Vin numbers of my trailer on the hitch in clear view for additional identification in the event it were stolen, but also as a deterrent.
I plan on adding GPS units to both vehicles in the near future.
Quote from: zray on November 05, 2018, 09:19:46 PM
I've been driving cross country for several decades in classic cars, including Shelby's . By following two easy to observe guidelines, I've never had any issues wih damages, or security.
1). Don't stay in a big city if possible. Plan your trip so every overnight is in a small town
2) my first stop in the overnight location was always at the local Police Dept. I presented myself as a tourist. and asked if I could park my Shelby overnight in the secure Police Dept. lot adjacent to Police HQ.
Without exception, the Police were not only agreeable, but they were downright enthusiastic about having an opportunity to see closeup a premier example of American automotive history. I did give a few rides, and was happy to do so.
I never lost a minute of sleep worrying about the cars safety, and had the bonus of spreading a lot of good vibes along my journeys.
Z
Good idea but how do you get from the police parking lot to the hotel?
Quote from: Rodster-500 on November 06, 2018, 11:03:32 PM
Quote from: zray on November 05, 2018, 09:19:46 PM
I've been driving cross country for several decades in classic cars, including Shelby's . By following two easy to observe guidelines, I've never had any issues wih damages, or security.
1). Don't stay in a big city if possible. Plan your trip so every overnight is in a small town
2) my first stop in the overnight location was always at the local Police Dept. I presented myself as a tourist. and asked if I could park my Shelby overnight in the secure Police Dept. lot adjacent to Police HQ.
Without exception, the Police were not only agreeable, but they were downright enthusiastic about having an opportunity to see closeup a premier example of American automotive history. I did give a few rides, and was happy to do so.
I never lost a minute of sleep worrying about the cars safety, and had the bonus of spreading a lot of good vibes along my journeys.
Z
Good idea but how do you get from the police parking lot to the hotel?
The last time I went cross country in a Shelby I overnighted in Las Vegas, New Mexico. IIRC, it was only 2 blocks to my downtown Hotel, and I walked. Other times I rode in a squad car at the invitation of some very nice patrolmen, and I've even taxied once or twice, but rarely. In most cases I've stayed in towns small enough to walk anywhere in the city limits in a few minutes, knowing my Shelby or other classic was in a secure fenced lot with plenty of protective eyes on it all night long.
Z
For those of us who legally can a 1911. I never leave home without it.
Quote from: vtgt500 on November 07, 2018, 12:51:03 PM
This is where built vs. bought mentality plays out. My car is not for sale at any price, and I have been offered profoundly stupid money for it. If I caught someone in the act of stealing of vandalizing it, it would not end well. I afford others the same respect and demand the same.
I've built, and I've bought.
In both cases, I'm not willing to ruin my life by taking someone else's over a matter of property. As pointed out previously, in this country witnessing a theft is not grounds for homicide. The days of lynching or shooting horse thieves, essentially what's being discussed, are over.
Even if you avoid prison (not likely), you'd be paying $100,000 - $500,000 for attorney fees. Likely enough to buy a couple of Shelby's.
It's one thing to talk big about shooting a car thief. Doing it is a whole different reality that's going to change you and your families circumstances, and not for the better.
A philosophy that's served me well is pretty simple: "...Don't cry over anything that can't cry over you....." Last I looked, Shelby's don't come with tear ducts.
Z.
+ 1
questions I ask before leaving the house
1 is the car insurance paid
2 do the lights work
3 do the windshield wipers work
we gone....
Quote from: zray on November 07, 2018, 01:07:40 PM
Quote from: vtgt500 on November 07, 2018, 12:51:03 PM
This is where built vs. bought mentality plays out. My car is not for sale at any price, and I have been offered profoundly stupid money for it. If I caught someone in the act of stealing of vandalizing it, it would not end well. I afford others the same respect and demand the same.
I've built, and I've bought.
In both cases, I'm not willing to ruin my life by taking someone else's over a matter of property. As pointed out previously, in this country witnessing a theft is not grounds for homicide. The days of lynching or shooting horse thieves, essentially what's being discussed, are over.
Even if you avoid prison (not likely), you'd be paying $100,000 - $500,000 for attorney fees. Likely enough to buy a couple of Shelby's.
It's one thing to talk big about shooting a car thief. Doing it is a whole different reality that's going to change you and your families circumstances, and not for the better.
A philosophy that's served me well is pretty simple: "...Don't cry over anything that can't cry over you....." Last I looked, Shelby's don't come with tear ducts.
Z.
Quote from: zray on November 07, 2018, 01:07:40 PM
Quote from: vtgt500 on November 07, 2018, 12:51:03 PM
This is where built vs. bought mentality plays out. My car is not for sale at any price, and I have been offered profoundly stupid money for it. If I caught someone in the act of stealing of vandalizing it, it would not end well. I afford others the same respect and demand the same.
I've built, and I've bought.
In both cases, I'm not willing to ruin my life by taking someone else's over a matter of property. As pointed out previously, in this country witnessing a theft is not grounds for homicide. The days of lynching or shooting horse thieves, essentially what's being discussed, are over.
Even if you avoid prison (not likely), you'd be paying $100,000 - $500,000 for attorney fees. Likely enough to buy a couple of Shelby's.
It's one thing to talk big about shooting a car thief. Doing it is a whole different reality that's going to change you and your families circumstances, and not for the better.
A philosophy that's served me well is pretty simple: "...Don't cry over anything that can't cry over you....." Last I looked, Shelby's don't come with tear ducts.
Z.
You are absolutely correct, as much as you want to "dirty Harry" a thief you better let the police handle it or YOU will be the one going to prison. The justice system is not as clear as it once was and the bleeding heart, prius driving liberals will send you away for it.
+ 1
Quote from: Greg on November 07, 2018, 04:56:20 PM
Quote from: zray on November 07, 2018, 01:07:40 PM
Quote from: vtgt500 on November 07, 2018, 12:51:03 PM
This is where built vs. bought mentality plays out. My car is not for sale at any price, and I have been offered profoundly stupid money for it. If I caught someone in the act of stealing of vandalizing it, it would not end well. I afford others the same respect and demand the same.
I've built, and I've bought.
In both cases, I'm not willing to ruin my life by taking someone else's over a matter of property. As pointed out previously, in this country witnessing a theft is not grounds for homicide. The days of lynching or shooting horse thieves, essentially what's being discussed, are over.
Even if you avoid prison (not likely), you'd be paying $100,000 - $500,000 for attorney fees. Likely enough to buy a couple of Shelby's.
It's one thing to talk big about shooting a car thief. Doing it is a whole different reality that's going to change you and your families circumstances, and not for the better.
A philosophy that's served me well is pretty simple: "...Don't cry over anything that can't cry over you....." Last I looked, Shelby's don't come with tear ducts.
Z.
You are absolutely correct, as much as you want to "dirty Harry" a thief you better let the police handle it or YOU will be the one going to prison. The justice system is not as clear as it once was and the bleeding heart, prius driving liberals will send you away for it.
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on November 07, 2018, 01:45:26 PM
+ 1
questions I ask before leaving the house
1 is the car insurance paid
2 do the lights work
3 do the windshield wipers work
we gone....
Yup, I do the same plus check to make sure the tires are round.
Quote from: Greg on November 07, 2018, 04:56:20 PM
Quote from: zray on November 07, 2018, 01:07:40 PM
Quote from: vtgt500 on November 07, 2018, 12:51:03 PM
This is where built vs. bought mentality plays out. My car is not for sale at any price, and I have been offered profoundly stupid money for it. If I caught someone in the act of stealing of vandalizing it, it would not end well. I afford others the same respect and demand the same.
I've built, and I've bought.
In both cases, I'm not willing to ruin my life by taking someone else's over a matter of property. As pointed out previously, in this country witnessing a theft is not grounds for homicide. The days of lynching or shooting horse thieves, essentially what's being discussed, are over.
Even if you avoid prison (not likely), you'd be paying $100,000 - $500,000 for attorney fees. Likely enough to buy a couple of Shelby's.
It's one thing to talk big about shooting a car thief. Doing it is a whole different reality that's going to change you and your families circumstances, and not for the better.
A philosophy that's served me well is pretty simple: "...Don't cry over anything that can't cry over you....." Last I looked, Shelby's don't come with tear ducts.
Z.
You are absolutely correct, as much as you want to "dirty Harry" a thief you better let the police handle it or YOU will be the one going to prison. The justice system is not as clear as it once was and the bleeding heart, prius driving liberals will send you away for it.
Even if you were able to avoid criminal charges, you will assuredly be sued by thief or their family for damages. This also can cost several hundred thousand dollars to defend and in many areas, you are more likely than not to lose that legal battle.
Quote from: 6s1802 on November 07, 2018, 12:39:33 AM
For those of us who legally can a 1911. I never leave home without it.
Like this one?
And yes, I do possess a CCP and carry it everywhere I go ;D
The picture is of a Colt 1903 Pocket Auto. It was built in .32 and .380 caliber. It's design predates the Model 1911 .45.
Yep, it is a model 1903 pocket hammerless .32 ACP. It was produced in the year 1915 as confirmed by the serial number.
This pistol was handed down 3 generations to me. Shoots extremely accurate in a shot pattern less than 6 inches at 20 paces.
And I do carry it everywhere I go ;)
I had the opportunity this weekend to use many of the suggestions presented here. I did a lot of things to assure that what ever a thief tried he wasn't going to be quiet or quick. But assuming all this could fail I added a GPS tracker. This little guy is easy to hide in a car and reports its location every 60 seconds. For higher monthly fees you can cut that to 30 seconds or 10 seconds. The image below shows a portion of my 3-hour trip back home after today's event.
https://www.optimustracker.com/product-page/optimus-2-0-gps-tracker
That was a great idea Ted.
Quote from: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 04, 2018, 09:33:33 PM
Quote from: deathsled on November 04, 2018, 09:25:50 PM
I read somewhere that Kopec had signs on his trailer to the effect that he was hauling beef carcasses or the like. You could also add some bio hazard signs or even radioactive signs on the trailer as a deterrent in addition to any other methods you seem fit.
That is a great idea!!!
You mean like this
A couple of years ago some of my BUDS were racing their car at a local track and caught a guy SLIPPIN in their race hauler. The perpetrator must have felt he needed some goodies out of their trailer more then my buddy needed them. What happened next was not a very good thing for this so called low life and probably wished he was dead because of what happened to him. The races concluded everyone drove off and the low life was still napping in the pits, they got his I D so they know who he was not a word was said, so justice had been served. Similar things at all venues, you never know how unhappy someone might get when someone makes a wrong entrance into their trailer, or shop. I have seen many a trailer running the NOTHING IN THIS TRAILER IS WORTH YOUR LIFE sticker. I think most of us feel the same way, just how it is handled varies a bit. >:(
I had two guys in my driveway. It was around 11pm or so. One guy was sitting in a car with the engine running. The other guy was surprized that three of us came from different directions, the security lights were on and there were day night security cameras.
His remark was, don't shoot, I'm going. Actually that's fine with me. I'm always the one that gets stuck cleaning up the mess.
State Farm added crime scene cleanup to the Home Owners Policy do my agent told me don't even hesitate. As soon as the Police are finished with their investigation the team will be there to clean it up.
These two had just gotten out of Rikers. In three days they were responsible for 37 break ins and two stolen cars. I might have asked him, "have you ever heard a shotgun go off when it's pointed at you?" Of course the use of deadly force in defence of your home isn't the same thing as breaking into your trailer.
However, I do know that the NYPD was considering a Van the same as your dwelling. I'd need to verify whether that is still current.
FYI
https://gizmodo.com/jamming-gps-signals-is-illegal-dangerous-cheap-and-e-1796778955 (https://gizmodo.com/jamming-gps-signals-is-illegal-dangerous-cheap-and-e-1796778955)
Quote from: Chris Thauberger on October 20, 2019, 02:58:00 PM
FYI
https://gizmodo.com/jamming-gps-signals-is-illegal-dangerous-cheap-and-e-1796778955 (https://gizmodo.com/jamming-gps-signals-is-illegal-dangerous-cheap-and-e-1796778955)
Damn >:(
Quote from: 2112 on October 20, 2019, 06:49:39 PM
Quote from: Chris Thauberger on October 20, 2019, 02:58:00 PM
FYI
https://gizmodo.com/jamming-gps-signals-is-illegal-dangerous-cheap-and-e-1796778955 (https://gizmodo.com/jamming-gps-signals-is-illegal-dangerous-cheap-and-e-1796778955)
Damn >:(
Not to worry they are illegal at the federal level so no one would ever consider using one... ::)