There are just some things sellers consistently post in their ads that are cliche and overdone. For instance, every person selling a Shelby feels the need to retell Carroll Shelby's life story. Is that really necessary? If you are a serious buyer I'm sure you already know all about Shelby's accomplishments.
Besides that, there are a whole list of annoying words that are used when selling used cars in general. I Invite you to list your favorites. I'll start:
1) Laser straight panels. This description shouldn't be used in conjunction with any muscle car from the '60s or '70's, more especially when talking about Shelby's. Such a played out term.
If you paid 20k-30k for an experts body work to get it Laser straight that would be in line for perfection work, not too many people are capable enough for perfection work. Most have drips,runs,waves, ripples and call it good. By definition that would not be LASER straight- :-[
"All Original"...and then they give you the list.
All Original, Except right front wheel, right rear quarter panel replaced in 1978, replaced door panels, replaced dash pad, Hurst shifter, and only one repaint!!
Frame off restoration for a uni body car
VIN number
The car has a vin
not a vehicle identification number number
I'll start with my pet peeve and the rest are in random order
"Perfect"
"Working when last used"
"All Original"
"Excellent condition for it's age"
"Mint"
"Best"
"Remaining tread looks good" (when describing a 20 year old tire)
"You wont find a nicer...."
"As far as I know"
"My loss is your gain"
"Sacrificed"
"Will only appreciate"
Anything comparing to Barrett Jackson
I'm sure there are more, but this is my quick list and this should be a fun thread.
Personally signed by Carol Shelby.
"Listed in Shelby Registry"
"Rare car. Only 100,000 made."
With reference to restoration, "no expense spared"
"concourse correct"
Quote from: davez on November 05, 2018, 12:20:19 PM
Frame off restoration for a uni body car
VIN number
The car has a vin
not a vehicle identification number number
YES!
Describing the entire History of Mustangs, Shelbys, FoMoCo as if you never heard of any of it before.
500+ word run on descriptions with absolutely zero paragraph form.
"needs restored" cause I am so GD lazy I can't type in Needs to be restored.
Quote from: 2112 on November 05, 2018, 01:24:54 PM
"needs restored"... cause I am so GD lazy I can't type in Needs to be restored.
I think that particular phrase ^^^ could be sort of a regional dialect issue - have heard from PA-dutch area and WI area(?)
Otherwise
+1 on everything above
fun topic ???
Pristine example. Impressive. "She". Legendary. No expense spared.
"90% complete"
start running!!
ANYTHING TYPED IN ALL CAPS AND IN ONE LONG PARAGRAPH
I like: "Invested (some large some of money) and asking less." Sounds like a poor investment and possible a good deal for someone.
I also don't like when no price is posted. Makes me want to call just to ask them the price and then thank them. But I refrain.
Cory
Misspelled words:
Carborator
Guages
Distribator
Sterio
Eldebrock
Wiand
Holly
... and a major one that I see occasionally on the Chevy-for-sale sites: Camero
What moron can't spell the name of his own car?
"Never Smoked In"
85% of the Cars I see on the Road has someone smoking in it.
Ad in a local trade paper:
"66 Mustang, factory original 351 engine"
::)
Went to a local Cars & Coffee get-together recently and there was an otherwise nice '64 Falcon with an SBF underhood and Chevy 283 emblems on the fenders!~!
Can't wait to read that guy's for sale ad.
" Never Raced..Runs 12's ".......... ::)
Ads that start with, "Here we have...".
Also the occasional "needs rebuilt"
This thread is classic.
QSS
I sure do miss the "rock on" emoji.
QSS
time capsule
Quote from: Side-Oilers on November 05, 2018, 05:37:37 PM
Misspelled words:
Carborator
Guages
Distribator
Sterio
Eldebrock
Wiand
Holly
... and a major one that I see occasionally on the Chevy-for-sale sites: Camero
What moron can't spell the name of his own car?
I'd like to add Concourse
Quote from: Side-Oilers on November 05, 2018, 05:37:37 PM
Misspelled words:
Carborator
Guages
Distribator
Sterio
Eldebrock
Wiand
Holly
... and a major one that I see occasionally on the Chevy-for-sale sites: Camero
What moron can't spell the name of his own car?
LOLOL
"Never driven in the rain"......
Classic Mustang seller saying they have a Marty or Martini report!
Granted that could be auto correct taking over but still...get it right!
Sellers saying they have a Mustang GT for sale just because it has an eight cylinder.
Sellers saying their classic Mustang has a V6.
I often tell sellers on Craigslist who say "taking best offer over such and such price.." if they want a bidding war then please use eBay!
Cutesy substitutions for names of components:
Carby - carburetor
Dizzy - distributor
Chunk or diff - differential assembly
Rad - radiator
Misidentifying components:
Hub caps when they are actually wheel covers (there is a difference)
Phrases:
"Restoration started - hard work already done"
"Sure to appreciate"
"Duel carbs". Never seen a pair of carbs fighting it out.
Max
Quote from: Alan on November 06, 2018, 09:38:39 AM
“Duel carbs”. Never seen a pair of carbs fighting it out.
Max
and duel exhaust. (maybe the carbs are fighting the exhaust?)
If its got an Edelbrock carb on it, it MUST be a Hipo. :P
AC just needs a recharge.
100% rust free except...
"Ran when parked" - the classic- still being used today
Anything English, boot, respray, brightwork
"Tribute "...........
continuation
Easy restoration.
One that annoys me... not just with cars, but parts for sale:
'Hi-pro" or "High-pro"
??? ??? ???
"Repop"
I always used Repro if I was talking about REPROduction parts.
IN THE SHELBY REGISTRY
VERIFIED BY SAAC
Lady driven.
Almost no miles since fresh restoration.........
Because we don't want to trouble shoot it, work the bugs out, fix the leaks, retorque the nuts and bolts, or make it roadworthy.
Regarding the British / French / Canadian words I smile at colour and tyres
This current ‘barn find’ is an all-star team of BS terms
(not to exclude the overwrought term ‘barn find’):
https://barnfinds.com/little-old-ladys-1966-shelby-gt350h/?utm_campaign=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Newsletter+(Daily)&utm_content=morelink
Quote from: davez on November 08, 2018, 01:24:51 PM
Almost no miles since fresh restoration.........
Because we don't want to trouble shoot it, work the bugs out, fix the leaks, retorque the nuts and bolts, or make it roadworthy.
Regarding the British / French / Canadian words I smile at colour and tyres
SOOOOOOOOOOOOO true!! ;D
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the infamous 'no tire kickers or test pilots' lol
ok I will take one for the team.....
'no tire kickers or test pilots'
Quote from: Peter L. on November 08, 2018, 02:33:01 PM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the infamous 'no tire kickers or test pilots' lol
Award winning
"Turns heads wherever it goes."
"Refurbished."
That's a completely subjective description.
How many cars have you seen with a "completely refurbished" interior, that still looks crappy?
Or, a "refurbished" engine that isn't right.
And, WTH does that even mean? It was furbished originally at the factory, so I re-furbished it?
(Yes, I know the dictionary definition, but I mean in terms of a car.)
"Do not buy this car unless you like lots of attention!"
Due to the smoke pouring out of the exhaust, or from law enforcement, due to all of the lights/signals not working?
"opportunity" used anywhere.
Quote from: In The Doghouse on November 08, 2018, 07:38:35 PM
"Do not buy this car unless you like lots of attention!"
Due to the smoke pouring out of the exhaust, or from law enforcement, due to all of the lights/signals not working?
That's a great one!
Loving the responses so far. It seems I'm not the only one annoyed by all these descriptions.
Chevy
Corvette
Chevelle
Camaro
SS
RS/SS
350
Power Glide
Anything with "Z" ZR1 - ZL1 ........blah blah blah
Eleanor
Typical rust areas as they all have. You cant find one without rust
FIRM
NO TRADES
Barn Find
I think barn find cars has surpassed the number of barns in North America
I have to many toys only reason I'm selling
Any reference to "My Wife" is making me sell
"I have a 69 mark 1 for sale"
::)
😁
"Investment quality"...What the f does that mean?By it's very nature anything you buy is "investment quality"...Is it because investment is a big word that sounds good?Puzzling....
My show sign photo featured in the October 1990 issue of Mustang Monthly. Spent about a half hour taking these little gems out of the Sunday Chicago Tribune
Great Father Son Project - Meaning your going to need your Dad to bail you out.
Great Winter Project - Meaning its too darn cold to work in the garage, so let's wait until Spring to figure out what all is wrong with it!
It's only original once - Meaning there isn't an original part left on it!
Great Patina - Meaning too cheap to get a nice paint job!
Quote from: roddster on November 10, 2018, 02:03:37 PM
My show sign photo featured in the October 1990 issue of Mustang Monthly. Spent about a half hour taking these little gems out of the Sunday Chicago Tribune
Ding, ding, ding....I think we have a winner here! 8)
Just all the shady side of "used car salesman's" antics. Consistent with the current term usage of the "alternative facts" phrase, or maybe the use of "truth isn't truth" by "America's Mayor"?
I am reminded that the Confucius phrase of, "may you live in interesting times", is intended to be a curse on you and your offspring. It sure is both interesting and a curse.
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 11, 2018, 07:54:52 AM
Just all the shady side of "used car salesman's" antics. Consistent with the current term usage of the "alternative facts" phrase, or maybe the use of "truth isn't truth" by "America's Mayor"?
I am reminded that the Confucius phrase of, "may you live in interesting times", is intended to be a curse on you and your offspring. It sure is both interesting and a curse.
. Bingo.....
"Leather interior" when descriping a 65 - 73 Mustang.
Fox bodied Mustangs with "Boss" engine.
Camero.
1st gen Mustangs with "V-6" engines.
You need to have the ability to weed thru the descriptions, and make a determination is this an informed seller or just another knucklehead trying to make a buck. A good friend of mine has been chasing cars -no not Wayne Carini for the last 50 years. Here is why we need to not let a description slow our roll while looking for our next car. A couple of years ago a woman placed an add in a local newspaper ( remember those) about an old Mustang , my friend calls up asks questions and is told its an old Mustang with a big engine that used to drink a lot of gas, it hasn't moved in decades, it is buried in a pile of stuff in the garage, she said she remembered it had plastic covering the back seat and it has 4 flat tires rotting into the ground. So my buddy had to think for a moment what he wanted to do, the car was approx. 150 miles away it was about 107 degrees out and he needed to scrape up 20k for a CASH ONLY sale he wasn't feeling up to it so he called another friend of ours to go have a look. The next day our supposed friend pulls up with a Green 67 GT 500 4 speed on his trailer with 37,000 original miles with original plastic factory seat cover on back seat for 20k. From that day on we decided never ever say NO if you have a lead on something. :-[
::)
Quote from: 427heaven on November 13, 2018, 08:45:59 AM
You need to have the ability to weed thru the descriptions, and make a determination is this an informed seller or just another knucklehead trying to make a buck. A good friend of mine has been chasing cars -no not Wayne Carini for the last 50 years. Here is why we need to not let a description slow our roll while looking for our next car. A couple of years ago a woman placed an add in a local newspaper ( remember those) about an old Mustang , my friend calls up asks questions and is told its an old Mustang with a big engine that used to drink a lot of gas, it hasn't moved in decades, it is buried in a pile of stuff in the garage, she said she remembered it had plastic covering the back seat and it has 4 flat tires rotting into the ground. So my buddy had to think for a moment what he wanted to do, the car was approx. 150 miles away it was about 107 degrees out and he needed to scrape up 20k for a CASH ONLY sale he wasn't feeling up to it "so he called another friend of ours to go have a look". The next day our supposed friend pulls up with a Green 67 GT 500 4 speed on his trailer with 37,000 original miles with original plastic factory seat cover on back seat for 20k. From that day on we decided never ever say NO if you have a lead on something. :-[
Just wondering "so he called another friend of ours to go have a look" So did this friend become an ex-friend?
"Won't last long at this price."
" I am testing the waters"
So heres how it went... There are a group of us about 6-7 that buy sell trade amongst each other, my friend who made the initial call who we will say FOUND the car passed on the opportunity and told another in our group about the car. That person is not as close a friend as the one that made the call, those 2 are tight with each other. I show up the following weekend for some fun at some swap meet and the story is shared with all of us. The FIRST thing that pops into my head is that's FU.... up that was the consensus of all of us. So we all review what might be the right thing to do and it is mentioned that yes he passed on it but had his friend not been given the lead he would not have that car under his ownership. If someone benefits substantially from something that the minimum get you off the hook, would be to offer a percentage of said profits. So put in a different way... If you spend 20k on something that might be valued at 175- 200k at your friends dismay what is the right thing? Rumor has it he flipped my friend a 100.00 and said thanks man... Needless to say he is not welcome anymore :(
Quote from: 427heaven on November 14, 2018, 04:53:25 PM
...Rumor has it he flipped my friend a 100.00 and said thanks man... Needless to say he is not welcome anymore :(
Like 'ole weezey (my mom) used to say: "Money can buy a lot of things, but it can't buy class."
Has a T10 top loader
1961 falcon fo do missin engine tranny 650.00 saleing fo 40k dunn..... Ahhhh maybe not :-[
One of the most misused terms I have seen in recent history is "Survivor". Then they go on to tell you about the restoration......
Car has never seen snow or rain.
"Creampuff", "Must see to appreciate" and....wait for it...."MINT"! ::)
"Older restoration". Meaning it needs to be restored again.
"Get it while you can, won't last at this price"
Wife wants it GONE!
...
^^^ wow :o ??? ::)
I like the Nova ad. The 'seen my car on Barrett JACKSON' is a daily occurrence. The uneducated masses.
Like it or not the Big Boys over at BJ, set the tone for what happens the rest of the year following the SCOTTSDALE show- (Price wise)
67's or '68's for sale claiming to be all original with Lemans stripes.
....or headers, chrome valve covers, aftermarket wheels etc......ya right, all original.
radio delete, stripe (lemans)delete.
After reading this description I wondered if it was posted in the wrong thread: http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=3815.0
With all due respect to the seller Paul, and conceding this car would be fun to drive, this checks off several of the most annoying sales pitches to wit:
Hard to find (in this case that probably is true. Not many people have taken a Lime Gold C code to this extent) 1967 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 CSS big block 594HP, #014 Car is in the Shelby "SAAC" registry. (Umm no, not the SAAC Registry) Built under license with Carol Shelby & Shelby American. 468 all aluminum Shelby big block & 5 speed manual with air conditioning, 4 wheel disc brakes, power steering, 17" x 10 inch" wide staggered (back) Shelby Alloy Wheels,("staggered rear wheels"? What does that even mean?) etc. (etc., etc., let your imagination run wild!) Being a Continuation Shelby adds the value.(if you don't believe it just check the current price of a Lime Gold 289 2bbl auto) The car will forever be in the Shelby Registry (however it will NEVER be in the actual SAAC Registry) and with the upgraded parts (twice as much fiberglass as the original but with the same humped up hood) that make the car more modern it falls into the category of a restomod rather than just a restored car. (based on my math, that should add at least $100k to the price) Ran it at Texas Motor Speedway this car is a Beast! (check out the pictures of it running away from the General Lee at TMS - hoo boy it's FAST!)THE CAR WAS FIRST SOLD BRAND NEW ON APRIL 23, 2012 (except for the actual REAL first time it was sold back in 1966) AND BOUGHT AT 225k THE BILL OF SALE IS WITH ALL THE PAPERWORK. THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO GET IT NOW FOR A STEAL (c'mon, buying a car that someone once bought for $225k for only $145k - that's almost like robbing $80 grand from a bank and getting away with it!) ONLY HAS 1215 MILES. (that's only 810 laps around TMS - less than 2 races!) I'm a private owner Grubb Motorsports maintains and stores my classic cars. Title in hand. (and I'm gonna hold it right here in my hand until someone buys it just so I don't lose it) Make sure to watch the YouTube video on the bottom of the page. DONT HIT THE BUY IT NOW OR BID ON THIS CAR IF YOU CANT AFFORD IT (even though it's a "steal" I will actually need the cash before you get the keys) I'VE HAD THIS INCIDENT HAPPEN TWICE!! (therefore I am warning you IN ALL CAPS and I've put an extra exclamation point at the end - don't make me relist it with 3 exclamation points!!!)
"......and will be registered in the SAAC Registry"
Quote from: CSX2259 on November 23, 2018, 07:39:46 PM
"......and will be registered in the SAAC Registry"
Really? When?
My HUGE pet peeve, is when an idiot calls it restored, AND IT'S NOT!!! I hate seeing these ads, video or otherwise, when they say its been restored, then I see it and ask myself "restored to WHAT exactly?" The paint is not the correct shade, the tires are not factory and lots of other stuff I see, is not factory. Why can't they just be honest and say, it has been refurbished with all new parts, some of which, are not factory-correct. Wouldn't that just be so much more honest and in keeping with someone who wishes to be seen as being on the up-and-up? Geeesh! >:(
SNAKEBIT, that's because they're ignorant and need to be taught. I hear the word restored all the time on eBay,Craigslist,etc., and they are clueless as to what the word actually means.
For years the word restored simply meant painting the vehicle, rebuilding the motor, putting on wheels and tires.
And to this day most think that's still what is meant by the word restored. If you're in the market to buy something, simply just look over their ignorance when you go inspect a possible purchase and go from there.
Like one said here earlier, you'd be amazed at what you can find from people that are simply clueless to any condition of a vehicle and just throw the "restored" word out there.
I'd be careful slinging the word "Idiot" around. You can restore a vehicle without it remaining as factory. I did more in the line of restoration than many so-called Shelby specialized shops do. I would never own a trailer queen. So there are some practical safey-related changes and a few factory chrome plated parts but it remains in stock external form. Just shiny and a much nastier engine. Not a single nut or bolt was left on the unibody. It was a rust-free low mileage vehicle that a young driver found the back of a cement truck with.
The entire vehicle was done with AMK fasteners, or re-plated factory items, many NOS and original restored components as well. I did all the work but paint and machine work myself. Countless hours blasting parts and painting them, many having to be repaired.
The difference is my vehicle doesn't look like every other Shelby. Cold, stock and more often than not in mediocre condition.
The inside of the vehicle and the quality of work I did is self-evident. In my opinion 1967 has the most stunning interior of them all, especially White/Parchment.
I put my 15" Magstars away because rubber choices in 15" aren't really practical for any high horsepower application. I'll pass on Throughbred and Concours class competition for a well running safe vehicle.
There is nothing done that isn't easily returned to the way it was made. No Rack and pinion steering, Coyote motor, chopped up transmission tunnel for a six speed. Just a fire-breathing 512 HP FE with a four speed and a 3.50 locker.
I did wire 1967 Cougar sequentials in. Nothing cut under the dash. The extra electrical was hidden in the left side quarter area.
Just remember, not everyone has the same taste but not one can accuse me of butchering anything on the vehicle to make anyone but a stalwart cringe because their vehicle lives on a trailer. They are meant to be driven.
Eight Barrel, I think we have a much different idea of what restored it. Restored to what, is the question that comes to mind when I see or hear that word out of someone's mouth. I reserve the word "idiot" for people say restored, which does imply that it is restored back to, what else?, FACTORY, not restored back to when it was 10 years old and had a few mods done by some past owner. It means and it implies, restoration to what it originally was. I give you Miriam-Webster . . . "3 : to bring back to or put back into a former or original state : renew".
Quote from: SNAKEBIT on November 26, 2018, 09:11:53 PM
Eight Barrel, I think we have a much different idea of what restored it. Restored to what, is the question that comes to mind when I see or hear that word out of someone's mouth. I reserve the word "idiot" for people say restored, which does imply that it is restored back to, what else?, FACTORY, not restored back to when it was 10 years old and had a few mods done by some past owner. It means and it implies, restoration to what it originally was. I give you Miriam-Webster . . . "3 : to bring back to or put back into a former or original state : renew".
+1
This is why it's an annoying word sellers use. Even on this site some have differing definitions ;)
Chris
Restomod is another word that varies greatly in definition.
Quote from: 2112 on November 26, 2018, 10:15:09 PM
Restomod is another word that varies greatly in definition.
Amen on that!!
Quote from: 2112 on November 26, 2018, 10:15:09 PM
Restomod is another word that varies greatly in definition.
I don know, either your car is restored or it's a restomod.
We used to just say it was custom.
Chris
Quote from: Chris Thauberger on November 26, 2018, 11:00:35 PM
Quote from: 2112 on November 26, 2018, 10:15:09 PM
Restomod is another word that varies greatly in definition.
I don know, either your car is restored or it's a restomod.
We used to just say it was custom.
Chris
It has only been a recent phenomenon that a restored car had to be stock right down to the horrible tires used at the time of production.
I bring that up as it seems it is being suggested that anything less than that (bias-ply tires) means the car is a Restomod.
Rehabilitated for operational use or refurbished for reliability might be closer to what I have done with my Shelby. Does that work and be less annoying? 8)
Refurbished for reliability..... I like that. Totally works.
Quote from: 2112 on November 26, 2018, 11:31:00 PM
Quote from: Chris Thauberger on November 26, 2018, 11:00:35 PM
Quote from: 2112 on November 26, 2018, 10:15:09 PM
Restomod is another word that varies greatly in definition.
I don know, either your car is restored or it's a restomod.
We used to just say it was custom.
Chris
It has only been a recent phenomenon that a restored car had to be stock right down to the horrible tires used at the time of production.
I bring that up as it seems it is being suggested that anything less than that (bias-ply tires) means the car is a Restomod.
... more like it is being suggested it is
NOT restored by the literal definition of the word(restored).
It appears attaching the word "restored" to ones work is nothing more than an attempt to elevate its status, hence the annoyance of it use in advertising.
I don't view the word restored as having an open definition.
Restomod on the other hand is a troubling descriptor. It is a portmanteau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portmanteau) of what I can only assume is restored and modified. (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)
I'm not sure which snake oil salesman from BJ coined the word but it is by definition an oxymoron (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxymoron).
I still prefer the words custom or personalized, but that's just me.
JMHO
Chris
Here is one source's opinion on the difference between restored and restomod: https://www.opgi.com/blog/2013/07/restomod-or-restoration/
I've thought of a restomod as a portmanteau (nice word Chris!) of restored and modernized because most vehicles that I've seen described as restomods will combine an older body with newer running gear such as a Coyote motor in a classic Mustang. This combination would differ from a Day 2 car (like my Shelby) in that my car is modified with equipment that was sourced in the 70's rather than stuff coming out in the last 5-10 years.
In any event, the description "restored" as used when selling a car can vary from factory-correct to 'I washed it last week'.
Some of the confusion with the resto-mod term is whether "mod" means modern, as in non-original period engine and drive train (as in many of the Shelby licensed CR series Mustangs using original Mustang bodies with modern engines). Or does
"mod" mean modified as in different brand of engine, changed suspension system, mega tires and rims, super moern giga-watt sound system, etc. Few vintage vehicles have the original (and highly valued) engine, but some will work to find date coded replacements and other parts. Sometimes, changes are made for safety reasons. But when the vehicle is taken down to bare bones and put back as close to but not exaclty to concours standard, what do we call it? The body shop industry terms appear confusing to me. 8)
So by Chris' definition the change of a cam, valve sizes, boring the block or chrome plating on ORIGINAL Ford/Shelby parts would make it a resto-mod. Hardly! Is the Super Snake considered a restomod?
The changes made are all parts that were available during the period the vehicle was manufactured, or reproductions of said parts.
Many right out of the Ford/Shelby performance catalogs. I didn't lose the flavor of the vehicle as manufactured. I just got tired of seeing every vehicle displayed looking the same. Other than lots of shine and go, It's relatively close to how it rolled out of Shelby-American
Truth be known had I stayed with factory finishes, most wouldn't be the wiser with the exception of the lope of the cam and the headers that changes were made. The Arning drop, #600 rate springs, 17" rims and modern rubber give the vehicle better manners and traction. Polyglas tires are outright dangerous. Especially in high-horsepower vehicles.
Most have a hard time distinguishing the slight nuances on my vehicle. Once again, for anyone who a actually drives their car on the street understands why. At the end of the day I'll pass on getting smoked by a Honda Civic.
If you want a dust collector, be my guest. It's your vehicle and at least for now we still have a few liberties that less than 1% of us paid for in blood.
However, don't ever tell me my vehicle isn't restored. It absolutely is. Better than about 95% of the ones I see for sale or at shows, and that's been a slew of them over the last 30 + years.
I may come off a bit hard-nosed but I have had to contend with more than a few comments made directly to me about my vehicle and how it's sacrilege to plate parts and not simply make it look like 99% of the Shelbys I see at shows. I hear sphincter clenching regularly amongst some in the community, and in all honesty outside of Shelby Concours community the feedback has been all positive.
Quote from: 1967 eight barrel on November 29, 2018, 12:23:48 PM
So by Chris' definition the change of a cam, valve sizes, boring the block or chrome plating on ORIGINAL Ford/Shelby parts would make it a resto-mod. Hardly! Is the Super Snake considered a restomod?
The changes made are all parts that were available during the period the vehicle was manufactured, or reproductions of said parts.
Many right out of the Ford/Shelby performance catalogs. I didn't lose the flavor of the vehicle as manufactured. I just got tired of seeing every vehicle displayed looking the same. Other than lots of shine and go, It's relatively close to how it rolled out of Shelby-American
Truth be known had I stayed with factory finishes, most wouldn't be the wiser with the exception of the lope of the cam and the headers that changes were made. The Arning drop, #600 rate springs, 17" rims and modern rubber give the vehicle better manners and traction. Polyglas tires are outright dangerous. Especially in high-horsepower vehicles.
Most have a hard time distinguishing the slight nuances on my vehicle. Once again, for anyone who a actually drives their car on the street understands why. At the end of the day I'll pass on getting smoked by a Honda Civic.
If you want a dust collector, be my guest. It's your vehicle and at least for now we still have a few liberties that less than 1% of us paid for in blood.
However, don't ever tell me my vehicle isn't restored. It absolutely is. Better than about 95% of the ones I see for sale or at shows, and that's been a slew of them over the last 30 + years.
I may come off a bit hard-nosed but I have had to contend with more than a few comments made directly to me about my vehicle and how it's sacrilege to plate parts and not simply make it look like 99% of the Shelbys I see at shows. I hear sphincter clenching regularly amongst some in the community, and in all honesty outside of Shelby Concours community the feedback has been all positive.
I agree with Chris when he said he said that personalized is a better term . To me it can be expressed without negative connotation. There is a place for all different points of view. The common denominator is the love of the cars.
Quote from: Don Johnston on November 27, 2018, 09:18:23 PM
Some of the confusion with the resto-mod term is whether "mod" means modern, as in non-original period engine and drive train (as in many of the Shelby licensed CR series Mustangs using original Mustang bodies with modern engines). Or does "mod" mean modified as in different brand of engine, .................
Depends on ones definition of "resto - mod"
If you follow the original term and its use it was a restored car with some period modifications. Like what is being referred to as day two for many currently. Resto-mod morphed into something else as more and more magazines and shops used and applied the term. Guess it's up to the people that got the copy write on the term now to define it
In conclusion, I don't find it an annoying term, which was the original subject of this post. I do find it now to be overused. Personally I've never liked 'resto-mods', they rate right up there with rat rods on my dislike-o-meter. I can appreciate the time, effort and money that goes into them, just not my thing.
I think "day 2" explains it better and differentiates between a resto-mod. I see the distinction between the two.
Unmolested
(yeah, right ???)
I don't want to re read but "opportunity" in ANY description especially when connected to "of a lifetime". Take the current '65K convertible bounced around here IF it was and original '66 GT350 convertible it would be an opportunity of a life time but no one needs to hype one of them.
1967 eight barrel,
"I" look at it as when you own it do what you want. If "I" don't like what you've done that's "my" problem not yours. I still fully respect your car and your vision for it.
With respect to the Super snake the switch to the 427 was done BEFORE it was sold to the public the same as ALL SAI vehicles were. Anyone dare call the twin Paxton Cobras a restomod? Green Hornet, Little red , '65 R models? No I didn't think so.
Randy
Quote from: mark p on December 13, 2018, 04:30:21 PM
Unmolested
(yeah, right ???)
Actually, this one bothers me when I hear buyers drone on about it.
First, it is a car. Not a sentient being. Second, after 50 years, very few cars have been completely untouched. Using such an inflammatory and derogatory word towards most remaining cars, and a lot of cars that were resurected from the dead just seems extremely gauche, to put it politely.
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^^^ I just saw that in an ad the other day and it was like fingernails on the chalkboard... plus reminded me of this thread ::)
Quote from: mark p on December 13, 2018, 04:30:21 PM
Unmolested
(yeah, right ???)
Of course the alternative is considered unsocial... Grabbed with both hands, wrestled down, ridden hard until it squealed without so much as a kiss... actually... I think I will put that in my next car-for-sale ad...
"Trumped" 8)