Who has the three hole and who has the two hole don't forget your Shelby VIN and Shelby completion date if known. Thanks.
Will check when we return fm SPI.
Max
#0345 GT500 SJ completion 12/27/66 -SA completion 1/06/67 - extra hole on right side of car (Slanted grille)
Photo from "Dragon Wheels Restorations"
#1183, two hole, SA 4/7/1967.
Note:
The first image the piece in question is one piece for both light buckets to attach to and has the 3 holes as well as the buckets are attached to the plate with self-tapping sheet metal screws and the wires have the sheathing.
The second image is two separate pieces each with one hole and the headlight buckets are attached to the plates with bolts and the wires are tape wrapped.
(Both of these seem to be posted up-side down, below they are rotated to match the image in the second post showing more of the car. Also the second post with the green car shows a two-piece nose)
#2339 has a 3-hole mounting, SA completion 5/23/67.
01375; two hole; SAI Build Date 4/15/67
#875 completed 4/6/'67 shipped 4/13/'67
2-hole version just like the 2-hole version pictured above.
#2213; 2 hole version, complete 5/12/67
#1242 - 2 hole style. SA completion 3/15/67.
It's funny - I didn't even think as to whether or not early cars had this backing plate. I went to look at #22 and didn't seen anything like what was pictures. And, then I remembered... ;D
#486 - 3 hole - SA completion 1/31/67
Quote from: Shelby_0022 on November 27, 2018, 10:52:44 AM
It's funny - I didn't even think as to whether or not early cars had this backing plate. I went to look at #22 and didn't seen anything like what was pictures. And, then I remembered... ;D
Ruben had an 'early brain fart'. :)
But seriously, for anyone that has never seen the early configuration outside of a car, it will surprise you. It really illustrates the hand made aspect of early 1967's. I restored the original set off of no. 83, I was really amused how non-symmetrical they actually were. The bushing on one side was 0.25 inches larger than the other side. Like a good friend once said to me, it looks like a drunk cubscout was making these cars back at LAX. :o
#589 has the three hole design, but it looks almost like the bracket is kind of a combination of the two shown above. It does not have the bracket that goes all the way from one side to the other, the bracket looks more like the one on the two hole design. Don't know how common that is.....Shelby completion date - 01-11-67
#861 - 2 hole style. SA completion 3/15/1967
I can't help in my case as the nose, hood and headlamp bracket are reproductions.
Shelby #458, 3 hole style, SA completion 1/30/67
Shelby Mustang #504- San Jose build date January 9th, SA build date January 30 - 3 hole
Number 872,buildt 30/1-67,two hole
Tor
#706 2 hole SA completion date 01/18/67
These are actually a pair of supports I have. In addition to the "number of holes" I was curious about the way the two hole and three hole brackets are welded to the center support. The two hole is mounted towards the "front" of the center support bracket and directly to the vertical bar. The three hole is mounted farther back and has an additional horizontal lower brace running from the vertical center support to the mounting plate. This mounting positions causes the headlights to be farther back on Support 2 than 1. Someone posted a picture of a three hole but it is not mounted to the center support the same way the original pictures show. Thoughts?
^^^ yes, two parts vs one part and
the number of holes and
the shape/footprint of the parts and
which plane they are attached to are all variables.
The variety of the plates helps to explain why so many cars have the center light either flush, near flush, or raised in the grille.
I always wondered if that was just an assembly issue or not. Thanks for the comments here!
Has anyone ever seen a car with outboard lights that also had the center light bracket installed in the car?
Quote from: mwilson7 on December 13, 2018, 05:53:50 AM
Has anyone ever seen a car with outboard lights that also had the center light bracket installed in the car?
No, but I can't remember how many outboard headlight cars that I have seen that have been retro fitted with inboard lights.
887 has two hole style
My 67 500 is number 512 and has the 3 hole bracket
#23 - 2 holes.
Quote from: rmarble57 on November 06, 2019, 08:48:10 AM
#23 - 2 holes.
The early cars with the band/clamp style method of holding the headlight buckets does not use these plates being discussed (see replies #10 and #12 on the first page).
I would think that #23 would not have the plates for holding any of the four headlight buckets. Perhaps they were changed out at some point in it's history.
Not to go too far off-track but the plates being discussed were the second method of attaching the smaller diameter (1960 Galaxie) head light buckets to the '67 Shelby's. This was a much simpler, faster and easier way to accomplish this addition/change. As to when this change of method occurred not sure but I do know that car #112 (completed at Shelby American Dec 5th, 1966) has the plates (one hole in each plate) for the inboards and the band/clamps for the fender lights - so some of both at that point in time.
Here are a couple of photos to help illustrate what was initially done. Note this was a very Mickey Mouse/Rube Goldberg way of doing something and a real PITA ! The plates method for both the fender lights and both versions of the grille mounted high-beams (not driving lights) inboard or outboard was a step forward in getting the lights on the cars.
...one more of the parts and some not related...
Great illustration of parts JD. Because this early headlight arrangement wasn't supported well the headlight beam had a tendency to shake or vibrate driving down the road or hitting a good bump. Some worse then others.
Quote from: JD on November 06, 2019, 09:29:25 AM
Quote from: rmarble57 on November 06, 2019, 08:48:10 AM
#23 - 2 holes.
The early cars with the band/clamp style method of holding the headlight buckets does not use these plates being discussed (see replies #10 and #12 on the first page).
I would think that #23 would not have the plates for holding any of the four headlight buckets. Perhaps they were changed out at some point in it's history.
Not to go too far off-track but the plates being discussed were the second method of attaching the smaller diameter (1960 Galaxie) head light buckets to the '67 Shelby's. This was a much simpler, faster and easier way to accomplish this addition/change. As to when this change of method occurred not sure but I do know that car #112 (completed at Shelby American Dec 5th, 1966) has the plates (one hole in each plate) for the inboards and the band/clamps for the fender lights - so some of both at that point in time.
Here are a couple of photos to help illustrate what was initially done. Note this was a very Mickey Mouse/Rube Goldberg way of doing something and a real PITA ! The plates method for both the fender lights and both versions of the grille mounted high-beams (not driving lights) inboard or outboard was a step forward in getting the lights on the cars.
I have some pics of no 23, and in image no 50, I don't see a plate. I believe it still has it's original bracket and bands.
https://www.imageshack.us/a/vx0o/1
Quote from: BGlover67 on November 06, 2019, 11:40:34 AM
I have some pics of no 23, and in image no 50, I don't see a plate. I believe it still has it's original bracket and bands.
Brian, I'm inclined to agree with you, I looked at my photos of when we first saw #23 and don't see that I took any photos of that area - which means it was as it should have been.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on November 06, 2019, 11:33:43 AM
Great illustration of parts JD. Because this early headlight arrangement wasn't supported well the headlight beam had a tendency to shake or vibrate driving down the road or hitting a good bump. Some worse then others.
A previous owner of Car #26 did fabricate some additional braces to steady the lights.
Maybe these additional images can help to show the differences of the two styles of mounting the buckets and the fact that with either the enlarged hole in the back of the bucket is still visible.
Note the two images at the top are of a car in the 40's VIN range, the two in the middle are of car #26 (same as at the top but without the grille) and bottom two are of car#112.
Yes, those are very helpful photos to show the parts, JD. Thanks
Photos of #00023 and #00050 show the band/clamps in the grille lights.
(JD shared a photo with me from Tom Cotters gathering in 2017 and we can see there are no plates on #00023)
(The Sports Car Graphic magazine had pictures of #00050 with no plates)
It looks like the transition to plates occurred sometime in the first two weeks of Dec 1966.
I'm continuing to update the SAAC forum thread on that topic as new cars are found.
The list notes each car, what version, and SAI completion dates.
#00112 is the only car anyone (JD) has ever noted having both style mounts.
(I'd love to see photos of #00130 as the only car noted to have a 1 pc grille and plates. Not sure how many holes are in the plates.)
http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=1020.msg51110#msg51110