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Title: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: cj750 on November 29, 2018, 02:27:24 AM
Is there any rhyme or reason as to which GSA cars got white stripes vs. gold ones?
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: Coralsnake on November 29, 2018, 06:27:57 AM
Absolutely, when done correctly, always Gold

http://www.thecoralsnake.com/1969paint (http://www.thecoralsnake.com/1969paint)
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: texas swede on November 29, 2018, 12:14:06 PM
Well, my Swedish friend Roland bought a 70 GT350 Convertible #1204, in 1981 and it was painted red with painted gold side stripes. Repaint had been done by a previous owner in the 70's. When Roland started the restoration he hand grinded off the red/gold paint and to his big surprise he found white side stripe plastic tape and gulfstrem aqua paint under the tape.   
Also, the 70 Shelby Brochure has a picture of a car that appears to be gulfstream aqua with white side stripes.
Roland's car a black convertible top and black interior.
Texas Swede
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: Coralsnake on November 29, 2018, 12:21:51 PM
Thats great, but each color had a side stripe color assigned to it. It appears you have an exception, not something that was ordinary

Personally the car in the ad looks more like Acapulco Blue to me and I would not use it as a guide.
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: Bob Gaines on November 29, 2018, 12:39:51 PM
Thats great, but each color had a side stripe color assigned to it. It appears you have an exception, not something that was ordinary

Personally the car in the ad looks more like Acapulco Blue to me and I would not use it as a guide.
That is what I have always thought that it looked like Acapulco Blue.
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: texas swede on November 29, 2018, 12:54:54 PM
What color is the top car? Lower car is Acapulco blue. Also, Roland told me today the color in the brochure and
scanned in the computer is not an exact match. Roland's car after repaint looks more like the top picture.
Greenish tint to it. The reason he used the white stripe was what he found on his car though.

Texas Swede
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: George Schalk on November 29, 2018, 12:59:03 PM
This is an original 1970 350 with a gold stripe applied to the Gulfstream Aqua color.
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: tesgt350 on November 29, 2018, 01:34:45 PM
Well, my Swedish friend Roland bought a 70 GT350 Convertible #1204, in 1981 and it was painted red with painted gold side stripes. Repaint had been done by a previous owner in the 70's. When Roland started the restoration he hand grinded off the red/gold paint and to his big surprise he found white side stripe plastic tape and gulfstrem aqua paint under the tape.   
Also, the 70 Shelby Brochure has a picture of a car that appears to be gulfstream aqua with white side stripes.
Roland's car a black convertible top and black interior.
Texas Swede

Gold Reflective Stripes usually turn White when being Photographed, especially when a Flash is used. 
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: tesgt350 on November 29, 2018, 01:37:49 PM
What color is the top car? Lower car is Acapulco blue. Also, Roland told me today the color in the brochure and
scanned in the computer is not an exact match. Roland's car after repaint looks more like the top picture.
Greenish tint to it. The reason he used the white stripe was what he found on his car though.

Texas Swede

The Top Shelby looks to be Grabber Green.
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: Coralsnake on November 29, 2018, 03:38:07 PM
Those images could have been easily changed during printing or production of the ad. I think its pointless to try to match the color of a 50 year old ad to an existing color

A Gulfstream car could have received a white stripe. They were installed by humans and there were probably mistakes, but it was not was intended.

Shelby literature and production materials specify the correct color for the stripes. Point is...its not optional.
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: Bob Gaines on November 29, 2018, 04:55:01 PM
Those images could have been easily changed during printing or production of the ad. I think its pointless to try to match the color of a 50 year old ad to an existing color

A Gulfstream car could have received a white stripe. They were installed by humans and there were probably mistakes, but it was not was intended.

Shelby literature and production materials specify the correct color for the stripes. Point is...its not optional.
Here is some support to above statements. I hadn't remembered but must have gotten this from my friend SpecialEd Meyer.
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: texas swede on November 29, 2018, 06:32:47 PM
Thanks guys,
I will inform Roland that the consensus are his car most likely should have gold stripes. The car was a Claude Dubois car
and imported to Sweden in the early 70's. He has the names of all previous owners from the Swedish Car Registry but most of them have common Swedish names and no addresses or phone numbers are listed.
Again thanks,
Texas Swede
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: cj750 on December 01, 2018, 05:57:43 PM
I appreciate the responses. I always believed gold to be correct, but I've seen quite a few GSA cars that appear otherwise nicely restored sporting white stripes, so it had me wondering.

Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: texas swede on December 01, 2018, 07:53:04 PM
I found a notice in an old Shelby American where John Barnes had found a factory document specifying
all 69/70 exterior colors with the different interior codes and which color of the stripes the cars should have.
Gulfstream Aqua cars got the Gold Stripes.

Texas Swede
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 01, 2018, 09:01:47 PM
I found a notice in an old Shelby American where John Barnes had found a factory document specifying
all 69/70 exterior colors with the different interior codes and which color of the stripes the cars should have.
Gulfstream Aqua cars got the Gold Stripes.

Texas Swede
The document I posted a copy of in reply #10 is a factory document matching the exterior colors with the stripes.
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: Special Ed on December 01, 2018, 11:55:24 PM
The photo paper mr gaines posted is a page that was to be added  later to the 69 color & upholstery binder added midyear (since the 69 shelbys were a mid 69 year introduced car) see the 3 punched holes on the side.
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: texas swede on December 02, 2018, 08:01:10 AM
Thanks Bob,
John Barnes probably found the same document you have. I found a black and white picture of the sister car to Roland's, #1205 with white interior and white convertible top. This car has been restored but it appears the stripe is white. Roland's car #1204 has black top and black interior. Both are Gulfstream Aqua.
Again, thanks for all your help in this interesting matter.
Texas Swede
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: 427heaven on December 02, 2018, 09:20:57 AM
Is the gold stripe were referencing SHELBY only or were they for all years and all Mustangs. I am currently restoring a 1968 Big Block 4 speed vert, that is Gulf Stream aqua with a white GT- C stripe.
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: Coralsnake on December 02, 2018, 09:24:34 AM
We are discussing Shelbys.

Mustang “C” stripes were available in multiple colors and not color coordinated to specific exterior shades
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: 427heaven on December 02, 2018, 09:50:30 AM
Thank You.....  ;)
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: shelbymann1970 on December 08, 2018, 09:19:59 AM
What color is the top car? Lower car is Acapulco blue. Also, Roland told me today the color in the brochure and
scanned in the computer is not an exact match. Roland's car after repaint looks more like the top picture.
Greenish tint to it. The reason he used the white stripe was what he found on his car though.

Texas Swede

The Top Shelby looks to be Grabber Green.
Grabber green wasn't a color when brochure was made. I always thought it was silver jade.
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: shelbymann1970 on December 08, 2018, 09:27:04 AM
Those images could have been easily changed during printing or production of the ad. I think its pointless to try to match the color of a 50 year old ad to an existing color

A Gulfstream car could have received a white stripe. They were installed by humans and there were probably mistakes, but it was not was intended.

Shelby literature and production materials specify the correct color for the stripes. Point is...its not optional.
Here is some support to above statements. I hadn't remembered but must have gotten this from my friend SpecialEd Meyer.
Bob, what color stripe does it say for a white car? I cannot read your pic as it is too fuzzy even with reading glasses on. LOL. I have seen white on a few GSA cars but I figured just like white stripes on a red car they were changed. I hate the gold so much I said damn the purists and I went with white on my red car. I figured if white stripes were good enough for Carroll on his red vert then they are for me. :)  Plus easily changed over with a little time.
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: Coralsnake on December 08, 2018, 09:32:12 AM
Red and Competition Red have different colored stripes. Thats likely where some of the confusion comes from.

Heres the link again: http://www.thecoralsnake.com/1969paint

The chart is directly from the document Bob posted.

I am pretty sure Carrolls 1969 convertible was an after thought and not something he “owned” since new?

There were a number of Carroll Shelby owned cars that appeared later,  after Carroll hooked up with someone that was making some donations back to his charities.

Carroll Shelby owned cars have to be scrutinized closely.

Debating the color of a printed brochure is a waste of time in my opinion.
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: TOBKOB on December 08, 2018, 11:06:26 AM
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Bob, what color stripe does it say for a white car?

I'm not Bob and I can't answer what color stripes that the brochure calls for, but the white cars came with blue stripes. When I bought my '69 there were 2  Shelbys on the carrier... a white with blue stripes and an "orange" one with white stripes. I wanted the white one until it was unloaded and I saw the red interior  ???  Needless to say, the white one looked weird with that color combination so I chose the Competition Red which I wasn't wild about either, but the color grows on you after a while. I really grew to like the competition red and decided to keep it and 48 years later I still like my Shelby... ;D

The white 69 with blue stripes and red interior I referred to was bought by an 18 yr old (his father) and wrecked a number of times before he sold it in the early 70's. The white 69 in N.E. TN I referred to is identical bur a different car (non Hertz).

TOB
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: shelbymann1970 on December 08, 2018, 02:33:32 PM
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Bob, what color stripe does it say for a white car?

I'm not Bob and I can't answer what color stripes that the brochure calls for, but the white cars came with blue stripes. When I bought my '69 there were 2  Shelbys on the carrier... a white with blue stripes and an "orange" one with white stripes. I wanted the white one until it was unloaded and I saw the red interior  ???  Needless to say, the white one looked weird with that color combination so I chose the Competition Red which I wasn't wild about either, but the color grows on you after a while. I really grew to like the competition red and decided to keep it and 48 years later I still like my Shelby... ;D

The white 69 with blue stripes and red interior I referred to was bought by an 18 yr old (his father) and wrecked a number of times before he sold it in the early 70's. The white 69 in N.E. TN I referred to is identical bur a different car (non Hertz).

TOB
UH, BOB as in Bob Gaines referring to his chart he posted in an earlier post. I cannot tell what it says for a white car-everyone I see had blue but am curious if it said blue on the brochure. Pete, As you know comp red is calypso coral orange etc. and red is med red so I would not expect gold on comp red. Carroll's cart if memory serves me correct was a re-paint at AO Smith of a black jade car. My comments on Shelby's GT500 and white stripes are always tongue in cheek as I have white on my T-code red  car and will take the points deduction as I hate gold. Gary
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 08, 2018, 02:40:25 PM
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Bob, what color stripe does it say for a white car?

I'm not Bob and I can't answer what color stripes that the brochure calls for, but the white cars came with blue stripes. When I bought my '69 there were 2  Shelbys on the carrier... a white with blue stripes and an "orange" one with white stripes. I wanted the white one until it was unloaded and I saw the red interior  ???  Needless to say, the white one looked weird with that color combination so I chose the Competition Red which I wasn't wild about either, but the color grows on you after a while. I really grew to like the competition red and decided to keep it and 48 years later I still like my Shelby... ;D

The white 69 with blue stripes and red interior I referred to was bought by an 18 yr old (his father) and wrecked a number of times before he sold it in the early 70's. The white 69 in N.E. TN I referred to is identical bur a different car (non Hertz).

TOB
UH, BOB as in Bob Gaines referring to his chart he posted in an earlier post. I cannot tell what it says for a white car-everyone I see had blue but am curious if it said blue on the brochure. Pete, As you know comp red is calypso coral orange etc. and red is med red so I would not expect gold on comp red. Carroll's cart if memory serves me correct was a re-paint at AO Smith of a black jade car. My comments on Shelby's GT500 and white stripes are always tongue in cheek as I have white on my T-code red  car and will take the points deduction as I hate gold. Gary
Gary ,review reply #22. Pete's link and the information within was copied from the same factory document.
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: TOBKOB on December 08, 2018, 02:46:52 PM
Gary,  The 4th row down shows Wimbledon White color code M and Blue stripe...same as we have seen on the cars  :)

TOB
Title: Re: Gulfstream Aqua stripe color
Post by: shelbymann1970 on December 10, 2018, 07:46:40 AM
Thanks guys.