SAAC Forum

Deals and Appeals => Up For Auction => Topic started by: SFM6S087 on December 04, 2018, 02:08:15 AM

Title: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: SFM6S087 on December 04, 2018, 02:08:15 AM
SMF6S061 at Mecum in Kissimmee in January.

https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0119-359488/1966-shelby-gt350-fastback/

Steve
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: GT350Lad on December 04, 2018, 04:51:08 AM
Nice car, thanks for sharing
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: Bigfoot on December 04, 2018, 05:02:43 AM
“306 HP Cobra 289......”

Now that’s advertising!
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: BGlover67 on December 04, 2018, 07:55:47 AM
I hate when folks tear into cars that are for sale or coming up at auction, but this car has some obvious issues.  Whoever may be interested in it, should at minimum check out the Carryover website and get informed.

https://carryovergt350.com/

No doubt it will be bring strong money because the 'carryover craze' has been nuts lately.
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: 2112 on December 04, 2018, 10:47:37 AM
HIGHLIGHTS
SFM6S061
1 of 252 Carryover Cars 1965
Owned and lovingly maintained by the same family since 1967
Davis' cousin purchased the car in 1967 at approximately 900 miles
Purchased by Davis in the 1990s
Shipped new to Republic Ford, Inc. in Houston Texas
One cosmetic refresh administered in 1992 in correct Wimbledon White with Blue Lemans stripes
Body has never been disassembled
Original drivetrain
289/306 HP V-8 engine
4-barrel carburetor
Hollow letter valve covers
Toploader 4-speed transmission
Front disc brakes
Original interior and glass
Dash-mounted 9,000 RPM tachometer
Single chrome mirror
Functional rear quarter scoops
Shelby/Cragar 5-spoke wheels


Owned and maintained by the same family since 1967, this 1966 Shelby GT350 is offered for sale from the Wayne Davis Collection for the first time in more than 50 years. Sold new in February 1966 at Republic Ford in Houston, Texas, the Shelby was acquired two years later by Davis’ cousin. Davis purchased the GT350 from his cousin in the 1990s and has owned it ever since. Listed in the Shelby Registry as VIN SFM6S061, the GT350 is one of 252 known as “carryover cars.” In order to have Shelby Mustangs in showrooms for the beginning of the 1966 model year, Shelby American started with 1965 fastbacks, converting them into 1966 GT350s with a number of 1965 Shelby components, including 15-inch wheels, lowered A-arms, Koni shock absorbers and override traction bars. The Mustang grille and instrument panel were also updated to 1966 specs. The Davis family GT350 remains very original with its factory interior, window glass and early production hollow-letter aluminum valve covers. There was one cosmetic refresh in 1992 in the correct Wimbledon White with blue stripes. The body has never been disassembled and the 306 HP Cobra 289, Toploader 4-speed and nine-inch rear end are original to the car. Per the Shelby Registry, 6S061 was ordered with the optional 15-inch Shelby/Cragar 5-spoke wheels. Like all 1966 GT350s, the Davis Shelby was delivered to Shelby American as a K-code Mustang fastback. To differentiate the 1966 model and to further distinguish the Shelby from the standard Mustang, functional quarter-panel scoops were added along with Plexiglas windows in the C-pillars. Under the hood, the 289 High Performance engine was modified with an aluminum intake with Holley 4-barrel and Tri-Y headers. Inside, the Mustang’s black standard interior was updated with a wood steering wheel, dash-mounted 9,000 RPM tachometer and competition seat belts.
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: gt350hr on December 04, 2018, 11:05:21 AM
  My biggest concern would be the "top  loader" 4speed.  I hope that is a mistake and the original all aluminum T10 is actually there. The rest of the stuff is minor in comparison  and mostly under the hood. Nice car I hope it does well.
   Randy
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: KR Convertible on December 04, 2018, 11:41:09 AM
+1 on the T10.  I don't mind if there's a toploader in it, but the T10 better be in the trunk.   ;D

Another thing that I see is the 66 style bezel and dash pad.  Bezel is no big deal, but the 66 dash pad had four additional holes for the studs that were molded in.  One on each end and two by the radio.  These will show if you go back to the 65 style.  Hopefully, they didn't drill the dash.
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: camp upshur on December 04, 2018, 12:43:29 PM
Hey wait
Other than a paint job it’s totally untouched.
Honest.
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: 6s2020 on December 04, 2018, 01:20:44 PM
Is it just my 4.00am eyes, or is there no export brace support?

and the custom fender bolts are nice... ;D
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: gt350hr on December 04, 2018, 01:44:26 PM
      Typical sales hype. About 75% correct and "adjusted"  content. It wouldn't even get honorable mention in a "judged" event. STILL a NICE car , you just can't take the description verbatum.
       Randy
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: s2ms on December 04, 2018, 02:13:32 PM
Is it just my 4.00am eyes, or is there no export brace support?

and the custom fender bolts are nice... ;D
The support is there, just really hard to see with the lack of contrast in that area of the photo.

It does have the really rare tilted washer bag option!  ::)
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: GT350Lad on December 04, 2018, 03:01:18 PM
Is it just my 4.00am eyes, or is there no export brace support?

and the custom fender bolts are nice... ;D
The support is there, just really hard to see with the lack of contrast in that area of the photo.

It does have the really rare tilted washer bag option!  ::)

I saw the tilted bag option Dave and have seen that rare option several times after popping Bonnet!  ;)
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: 6s1640 on December 04, 2018, 03:11:25 PM
It does have the hard to find C4ZE-G2 W-MO radiator.  Looks like 3 65 date code.  I think this date code is the most common for 1965.

Cory
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: KR Convertible on December 04, 2018, 03:19:11 PM
It does have the hard to find C4ZE-G2 W-MO radiator.  Looks like 3 65 date code.  I think this date code is the most common for 1965.

Cory

Stant lever release cap on that radiator should be a crime.
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: GT350Lad on December 04, 2018, 04:09:10 PM
It does have the hard to find C4ZE-G2 W-MO radiator.  Looks like 3 65 date code.  I think this date code is the most common for 1965.

Cory

I saw that, I think there is a few of us that would love to have that radiator  ;)
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: Greg on December 04, 2018, 07:06:59 PM
Now for the $100K question.... what will it bid to?  Let's see who gets the closest....

I'll say high bid $135K
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: 427heaven on December 04, 2018, 08:48:42 PM
Because its Kissimmee in January..... 137, ;)500
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: KR Convertible on December 05, 2018, 09:23:20 AM
If it has a decent history and numbers check out, I'll see your 137,500 and raise you $50K.  $187,500
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: Bigfoot on December 05, 2018, 09:32:47 AM
180k
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: davez on December 05, 2018, 09:37:11 AM
195 plus fees
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: Hertz74 on December 05, 2018, 10:01:10 AM
All good numbers
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: gjz30075 on December 05, 2018, 02:44:58 PM
I'll be at $160k, hammer price
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: 557 on December 05, 2018, 02:52:37 PM
$215k (to the man with a martini in each hand) ;)
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: BGlover67 on December 05, 2018, 03:09:57 PM
$215k (to the man with a martini in each hand) ;)
You mean Canadian dollars, correct? :)
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: CharlesTurner on December 05, 2018, 03:15:17 PM
$215k (to the man with a martini in each hand) ;)
You mean Canadian dollars, correct? :)

They are basically 65 Shelby's with 66 trim parts/exhaust... I wouldn't be surprised if it goes over $200k USD.
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: Shelby_r_b on December 05, 2018, 03:46:37 PM
Keep in mind - an alleged "rebodied" carryover hammered for $150K ($165 all in) a year ago.  I'd say this hammers north of $200K.
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: 427heaven on December 05, 2018, 05:02:31 PM
Any one else notice his driver side wheel has some caster-camber issues. Needs to be fixed before it eats a tire- :-\
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: kingchief on December 05, 2018, 06:05:38 PM
Are those valve covers correct for a carryover?

Steve
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: J_Speegle on December 05, 2018, 06:50:55 PM
Are those valve covers correct for a carryover?

Looks like they may (hard to tell from a distance all the little details) the correct versions, just not finished like they originally were. Open lettered COBRA
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: 67350#1242 on December 05, 2018, 07:31:22 PM
Quote
Any one else notice his driver side wheel has some caster-camber issues. Needs to be fixed before it eats a tire- :-\

Wow - that is severe!
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: TOBKOB on December 05, 2018, 08:04:22 PM
I don't know about the caster but the negative camber is excessive...You would think that someone should have caught and corrected that... :o

TOB
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: camp upshur on December 05, 2018, 10:52:10 PM
Besides being undrivable, that much of a toe issue usually tire-squeals so loud that you need to wear a mask.

OBTW is a collapsed upper ball joint OK if it’s ‘original’?
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: 67350#1242 on December 06, 2018, 09:18:58 AM
Mecum boys'll have a hard time pushing that up on the block.
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: silverton_ford on December 06, 2018, 10:15:37 AM
Did anyone see the video they just added?  https://youtu.be/WfaISh9chNQ (https://youtu.be/WfaISh9chNQ)

He has a nice collection of cars.
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: Chad on December 06, 2018, 07:32:08 PM
I say $250,000 hammer
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: Greg on December 07, 2018, 06:16:27 PM
I say $250,000 hammer

It will be interesting to see if it goes this high. 
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: 2112 on December 07, 2018, 06:41:37 PM
Is Wayne Davis a celebrity collector?
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: Shelby_r_b on December 07, 2018, 08:06:00 PM
Wow. This car is really taking a beating from the forum brethren.

...not saying it doesn’t deserve it.  ;)
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: NC TRACKRAT on December 07, 2018, 09:07:50 PM
Rusty hood hinges, painted fender bolts, incorrect fuel pump and line, painted Cragars...So many things easily corrected to make it much more presentable.  Makes you wonder what's hiding in the trunk and underneath.
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: Greg on December 07, 2018, 09:46:21 PM
Wow. This car is really taking a beating from the forum brethren.

...not saying it doesn’t deserve it.  ;)

How do you see it as taking a beating, the car is what it is.  People are pointing out the issues and no one is "beating it".  I personally see it as education because if it's not right, its not right.  Whomever is looking to buy it should be educated and hopefully makes the right decision for them.  The worst thing someone can do is pay way to much thinking they purchased a gold car only to find out it wouldn't even place. 

Lets face it, if you drop 6 figures on a car you aren't typically going to Walmart and parking it in the driveway at home :-).  It's an investment regardless, just an awesome, jaw dropping one :-). 
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: 6s1640 on December 07, 2018, 11:41:16 PM
As long as the potential buyers knows and understand what they are getting and happy with the final price, then all should be good.  It is the surprises later that could be a problem.  Then I have issues.

I have a buddy that just called me today that is purchasing a beautiful Wimbledon white 1969 Cougar ELIMINATOR.  It does not have the original engine, but does have a freshly built 351 Windsor.  I told him he might be paying too much for a non-original drive train and that if and when he goes to sell, that will hurt the price.  We both agreed, if he loves the car, enjoys and drives the car regularly, then all should be good.

Take care

Cory

Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: prototypefan on December 08, 2018, 12:15:47 AM
300-350 estimate by Mecum
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: 6s1640 on December 08, 2018, 12:34:46 AM
Cougar Eliminators were introduced in 69-70, none in 67.

Correction made.  I should have known better.  Typo

Thanks

Cory
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: GT350Lad on December 08, 2018, 03:29:30 AM
300-350 estimate by Mecum

Are you serious? Are carryovers up that high?
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: CharlesTurner on December 08, 2018, 01:36:53 PM
Are you serious? Are carryovers up that high?

Quite optimistic.  I'd think it would have to be a Div 1/Premiere level car to get into that range.
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: Greg on December 08, 2018, 02:52:13 PM
300-350 estimate by Mecum

Would love to see it but I highly doubt it will get anywhere near $300K.
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: gt350hr on December 10, 2018, 12:42:47 PM
    $220- 250 tops IMHO
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: Greg on December 10, 2018, 03:34:39 PM
I am going to revise mine to $180K :-) ...... 
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: MustangMann on December 10, 2018, 04:11:38 PM
Might as well throw my hat in to the ring.....I am recalling these results from memory, because I am having trouble logging in to Russo and Steele, but in 2015 at Russo and Steele, Monterey, 6S213 was auctioned off, and I believe that the hammer price was $295k.  In 2017, at RS Monterey, 6S250 sold for a hammer price of $300k.  Maybe someone here can log in and either confirm or disprove these results.  Either way, I am guessing that even with it's shortcomings, 6S061 will bring close to this money. 
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: shelbydoug on December 10, 2018, 07:10:26 PM
OK, apparently there is a pool going on here. Who's holding the money?
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: Greg on December 10, 2018, 07:43:09 PM
OK, apparently there is a pool going on here. Who's holding the money?

LOL... The difficult thing about this is it truly has nothing to do with what value we perceive the car to have.  It is based on the venue and what one feels the room will be like when it crosses the block. 

Thats why it is a "what will it bid too".....and not its value.  Want to throw your prediction into the ring?
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: shelbydoug on December 10, 2018, 08:53:59 PM
OK, apparently there is a pool going on here. Who's holding the money?

LOL... The difficult thing about this is it truly has nothing to do with what value we perceive the car to have.  It is based on the venue and what one feels the room will be like when it crosses the block. 

Thats why it is a "what will it bid too".....and not its value.  Want to throw your prediction into the ring?

OK. $295. There will be buyers in the room. They are smart enough to not venture into this discussion.
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: Bigfoot on December 10, 2018, 09:11:21 PM
I am going to revise mine to $180K :-) ......

180 already taken.
:)
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: 427heaven on December 10, 2018, 09:30:11 PM
Remember its in FLOW- RYDA not Scottsdale! ;D
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: Greg on December 10, 2018, 09:30:29 PM
I am going to revise mine to $180K :-) ......

180 already taken.
:)

LOL...It's gonna be interesting to see who gets the closest.
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: SFM6S087 on December 11, 2018, 03:42:45 AM
Might as well throw my hat in to the ring.....I am recalling these results from memory, because I am having trouble logging in to Russo and Steele, but in 2015 at Russo and Steele, Monterey, 6S213 was auctioned off, and I believe that the hammer price was $295k.  In 2017, at RS Monterey, 6S250 sold for a hammer price of $300k.  Maybe someone here can log in and either confirm or disprove these results.  Either way, I am guessing that even with it's shortcomings, 6S061 will bring close to this money.

Your memory is very close.

6S213 hammered for $285,000 in 2015 at Russo & Steele. That would be $313,500 with the 10% buyer’s fee added. It was represented to be the best concours GT350 in the world – a triple crown gold concours winner.

6S250 sold at Russo & Steele in 2017. The hammer price was $270,000. That would be $297,000 with fees. It was freshly restored to a high level, but not concours.

Those numbers may provide some guidance, but 6S061 does not appear directly comparable to either of those cars. And some time has passed since those sales - overall values may have gone up or down. Have fun guessing.

Steve
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: shelbydoug on December 11, 2018, 06:46:25 AM
I am going to revise mine to $180K :-) ......

180 already taken.
:)

LOL...It's gonna be interesting to see who gets the closest.













That was garbled. Did you say who gets the closet? What happens if it goes private before the auction? Is that in the pool? Let me check with London. Those guys bet on anything.
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: Greg on December 11, 2018, 08:19:26 AM
That was garbled. Did you say who gets the closet? What happens if it goes private before the auction? Is that in the pool? Let me check with London. Those guys bet on anything.
[/quote]

I doubt it will go private unless the owner is desperate to sell or a buyer is willing to pay the estimate. 

What we are looking for is who will guess the closest to the high bid... (Not what the car is worth).  This has as much or more to do with the auction (Remember... Kissimmee, FL. Mecum in Jan) and how good you are at predicting the room as it does the car.

Like most of you, I have seen poor cars bid high and excellent cars bid low.
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: chris NOS on December 12, 2018, 07:54:18 AM
I would go for 275 000...
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: sfm5 on December 12, 2018, 08:46:17 AM
The Mecum Kissimmee venue has been pretty strong for Shelby sales, but the 66 carry-over market is hard to peg. Assuming $165K as a base and adding a 35% premium for the carry-over I'll go $225K for this car.
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: SFM6S087 on January 11, 2019, 02:36:01 PM
Okay, who guessed $400K plus fees? That's what this car just hammered for.

The only carryover to sell higher is 6S001 that hammered at $550,000 (plus fees) in January last year. That car obviously brought big money because it was a prototype.

The only regular production carryover close to this price was 6S213 which hammered at $285K (plus fees) in 2015. It was a triple-crown concours winner promoted as the "best concours 1966 GT350 in the world."

For a non-prototype, this looks like the current record holder for a 1966 GT350.

Steve
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: chris NOS on January 11, 2019, 03:55:00 PM
and this one is not concours ...but a nice car with clear history.
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: Don Johnston on January 11, 2019, 05:19:52 PM
But is a nice appreciation for CS' 96th birthday. 8)
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: SCJSTU on January 11, 2019, 06:22:44 PM
and this one is not concours ...but a nice car with clear history.

Yep,
I watched it cross the block .....I think the clean owner history pushed this one over the top
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: Greg on January 11, 2019, 09:18:20 PM
Okay, who guessed $400K plus fees? That's what this car just hammered for.

The only carryover to sell higher is 6S001 that hammered at $550,000 (plus fees) in January last year. That car obviously brought big money because it was a prototype.

The only regular production carryover close to this price was 6S213 which hammered at $285K (plus fees) in 2015. It was a triple-crown concours winner promoted as the "best concours 1966 GT350 in the world."

For a non-prototype, this looks like the current record holder for a 1966 GT350.

Steve

No one guessed it, looks like the 66's are "moving on up!".....
Title: Re: SFM6S061 Up for Auction
Post by: 6s2020 on January 11, 2019, 11:14:07 PM

^^^^^^^^^


http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=444.0




Get em' while you can... ;D 8)