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Title: New category
Post by: 68GT350roadracer on December 06, 2018, 07:16:01 AM
Under cars how about adding a new category, for day two cars and race cars?
Looks like in the random pictures thread both of these are very popular.

Thanks

Roger N. Upton
Title: Re: New category
Post by: CSX 4133 on December 06, 2018, 06:30:12 PM

While I would love to see a forum for Shelby race cars, I'm not sure how many owners are on this site.
Title: Re: New category
Post by: 2112 on December 06, 2018, 10:05:52 PM
I think it is a great suggestion 😎
Title: Re: New category
Post by: Wedgeman on December 06, 2018, 11:09:03 PM
+1
Title: Re: New category
Post by: 68GT350roadracer on December 07, 2018, 07:05:55 AM
Thanks.
Like the #18 red Shelby GT350 at the last SAAC, very fast car with modified engine and suspension. He used #18 because it was the 18th 68 Shelby and the real gold Cobra that was also going around the track.
Title: Re: New category
Post by: Coralsnake on December 07, 2018, 07:55:44 AM
Great idea, for the sake of balance, I recommend we get rid of the Florida forum

🦊
Title: Re: New category
Post by: Chris Thauberger on December 07, 2018, 10:54:57 AM
Great idea, for the sake of balance, I recommend we get rid of the Florida forum

🦊

ROTFLMAO

(http://www.sympato.ch/smileys/SW.gif)
Title: Re: New category
Post by: 68blk500c on December 07, 2018, 03:35:49 PM
Ok, Chris; normally you are articulate, but this time?
Don
Title: Re: New category
Post by: TLea on December 07, 2018, 03:43:42 PM
Ok, Chris; normally you are articulate, but this time?
Don
FYI this is coming from one who still has a flip phone and doesn't text. Acronyms don't compute for him  ;D
Title: Re: New category
Post by: Chris Thauberger on December 07, 2018, 03:59:00 PM
Ok, Chris; normally you are articulate, but this time?
Don

I can't tell if you kidding or not Don. I know Tim's not kidding LOL

Rolling
On
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Floor
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What can I say, Pete has a great sense of humor.
Title: Re: New category
Post by: SFM6S on December 07, 2018, 04:27:15 PM
Lots better than PMSL....Pi**ing My Self Laughing
Title: Re: New category
Post by: 68blk500c on December 09, 2018, 03:14:20 PM
Ok, Chris; normally you are articulate, but this time?
Don

I can't tell if you kidding or not Don. I know Tim's not kidding LOL

Rolling
On
The
Floor
Laughing
My
A$$
Off


What can I say, Pete has a great sense of humor.

I meant a sincere compliment regarding your normal posts, Chis; but I had no clue about your cryptic message.
Title: Re: New category
Post by: 68blk500c on December 09, 2018, 03:15:26 PM
Ok, Chris; normally you are articulate, but this time?
Don
FYI this is coming from one who still has a flip phone and doesn't text. Acronyms don't compute for him  ;D

Why would anyone want to hang around a guy like that?
Title: Re: New category
Post by: Coralsnake on December 09, 2018, 03:16:14 PM
Whats the issue?
Title: Re: New category
Post by: 68blk500c on December 09, 2018, 03:30:20 PM
Being sarcastic with Tim, Pete.
Title: Re: New category
Post by: FL SAAC TONY on December 09, 2018, 03:36:23 PM
Great idea, for the sake of balance, I recommend we get rid of the Florida forum

🦊

But why would you do that? We are active and vibrant.
Merry Christmas and bless your hearts
Title: Re: New category
Post by: FL SAAC TONY on December 09, 2018, 03:37:37 PM
Great idea, for the sake of balance, I recommend we get rid of the Florida forum

🦊

ROTFLMAO

(http://www.sympato.ch/smileys/SW.gif)

Perfect example, we have leaders and then we have followers.
Merry Christmas and bless your hearts also
Title: Re: New category
Post by: 2112 on December 09, 2018, 03:59:21 PM
Not getting the beef about the Florida section posts.

I just don't open threads that I am not interested in.
Title: Re: New category
Post by: Coralsnake on December 09, 2018, 04:27:51 PM
I believe there is a way for a moderator to control what appears in the info center. Its not personal, but I for one, would rather not wade through Florida car show posts daily. That may be good for the three members in Florida, but not the other thousands of members.

Thats my beef, I am certain I have posted it before and others have too.

Personally, I think that is a great idea, because those people interested in those posts can go into the Florida region and read all the posts and the others would not have to be concerned with them at all.

The bigger issue is there is almost no moderation on the forum and it shows. Forum 2.0 is not like the previous version.
Title: Re: New category
Post by: FL SAAC TONY on December 09, 2018, 04:33:42 PM
That is hilarious three members and we, we, we have thousands....we still wish you a Merry Christmas!

I believe there is a way for a moderator to control what appears in the info center. Its not personal, but I for one, would rather not wade through Florida car show posts daily. That may be good for the three members in Florida, but not the other thousands of members.

Thats my beef, I am certain I have posted it before and others have too.

Personally, I think that is a great idea, because those people interested in those posts can go into the Florida region and read all the posts and the others would not have to be concerned with them at all.
Title: Re: New category
Post by: FL SAAC TONY on December 09, 2018, 04:34:38 PM
Great reply +1

Not getting the beef about the Florida section posts.

I just don't open threads that I am not interested in.
Title: Re: New category
Post by: TLea on December 09, 2018, 05:41:59 PM

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Why would anyone want to hang around a guy like that?
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Title: Re: New category
Post by: CSX 4133 on December 10, 2018, 08:07:38 AM

Getting back to the initial question at hand, I'd like to see a forum specifically for those that campaign their GT350/GT500/Mach 1.
In fact if there is anyone on SAAC that races either SVRA,HSR or SCCA I'd like to know as well.
Title: Re: New category
Post by: FL SAAC TONY on December 10, 2018, 08:27:29 AM
+ 1


Getting back to the initial question at hand, I'd like to see a forum specifically for those that campaign their GT350/GT500/Mach 1.
In fact if there is anyone on SAAC that races either SVRA,HSR or SCCA I'd like to know as well.
Title: Re: New category
Post by: 427heaven on December 10, 2018, 08:38:40 AM
Or better yet maybe a Hot street car- Day 2 performance car- Drag car- Road racer- Vintage race car - modern anything race car. This way we would have a place to go and leave the others alone that have the correct paint drips, daubs, finishes, textures, etc. After all that's what these cars were intended to do in the first place. ;)
Title: Re: New category
Post by: FL SAAC TONY on December 10, 2018, 08:43:05 AM
+ 101

Or better yet maybe a Hot street car- Day 2 performance car- Drag car- Road racer- Vintage race car - modern anything race car. This way we would have a place to go and leave the others alone that have the correct paint drips, daubs, finishes, textures, etc. After all that's what these cars were intended to do in the first place. ;)
Title: Re: New category
Post by: Chris Thauberger on December 10, 2018, 09:17:53 AM
Or better yet maybe a Hot street car- Day 2 performance car- Drag car- Road racer- Vintage race car - modern anything race car. This way we would have a place to go and leave the others alone that have the correct paint drips, daubs, finishes, textures, etc. After all that's what these cars were intended to do in the first place. ;)

I'm excited about the opportunities that that affords.
Title: Re: New category
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on December 10, 2018, 09:41:33 AM
+ 101

Or better yet maybe a Hot street car- Day 2 performance car- Drag car- Road racer- Vintage race car - modern anything race car. This way we would have a place to go and leave the others alone that have the correct paint drips, daubs, finishes, textures, etc. After all that's what these cars were intended to do in the first place. ;)
Sounds like a great idea to me.  I personally would like to read more about vintage race cars.

QSS
Title: Re: New category
Post by: 68GT350roadracer on December 18, 2018, 08:26:11 AM
Getting back to the initial question at hand, I'd like to see a forum specifically for those that campaign their GT350/GT500/Mach 1.
In fact if there is anyone on SAAC that races either SVRA,HSR or SCCA I'd like to know as well.

Or better yet maybe a Hot street car- Day 2 performance car- Drag car- Road racer- Vintage race car - modern anything race car. This way we would have a place to go and leave the others alone that have the correct paint drips, daubs, finishes, textures, etc. After all that's what these cars were intended to do in the first place. ;)

This is what I am thinking.
Title: Re: New category
Post by: 427heaven on December 18, 2018, 08:42:58 AM
I would respectfully like to submit my entry into this column, car number 1189 Beauty and the beast. Since I am not good with pics... I had a few on 1.0 if anyone could start-transfer those pics to that entry it would be appreciated. Lets get the party started... Merry Christmas to all  :)
Title: Re: New category
Post by: TJinSA on January 18, 2019, 03:44:03 AM
I'd like to add to this perceived need... Day-2 Street cars AND day-2 race cars. Is it a problem defining what day-2 is limited to? + OR - 5 years on street cars  so long as a vintage ad for the product to substantiate the questionable, with maybe some allowance), non-period kicks into Mod; modern drivetrains into Street or Pro Mod.  With race cars... well no limits so long as it's not street legal...  Am I barking up the wrong tree, or have vintage Shelbys now only warrant concours status to be admired?
Title: Re: New category
Post by: FL SAAC TONY on January 18, 2019, 08:21:34 AM
like NIKE says just do it, start posting your shelbys
Title: Re: New category
Post by: Chris Thauberger on January 18, 2019, 09:27:50 AM
Let do a test

All you guys with day 2 race a street cars start posting right here on this thread.

When it becomes a real popular thread, the mod can turn it into its own category.


Lets see those cars

Actions speak louder than words



Tango out...
Title: Re: New category
Post by: 427heaven on January 18, 2019, 09:42:13 AM
Since my car is a day 2 car, which defined would interpret what someone would do to their car shortly after ownership back in the day or day 2. Era or period correct I feel defines this moniker which in our world today has a way of getting things twisted. Shelbys were performance cars and were used and abused from the time they drove off the lot, which means very few exist today as survivors. Lots of tall tales of how original they are, when digging deep most are not. So a category which defines most of the cars out there... Replacement engines,  replacement sheet metal,color change, altering its stance, suspension upgrades, anything that differs from the day it left the lot would be defined as day 2. Race cars Should be something similar, the way they were built back in the day even if it was built yesterday. If someone has a car that they are proud of this should be a place to discuss, share their pride and joy vehicles. We don't want to run anymore people off because this is a very small pool of individuals in this club so promotion and solidarity of the cars and people are key! :)
Title: Re: New category
Post by: 68GT350roadracer on January 19, 2019, 12:10:12 PM
     I agree we do not want to run anyone off. Either concours or modified. I think we are in need of a thread where non concours car owners can discuss there cars and modifications. I love going to the shows and seeing both groups of cars, along with the survivors.
     Personally I would rather drive mine and use it for track days. So that is how I am restoring mine. It is a 68 GT350 number 1236 originally an acapulco blue, Hertz without AC. I bought the car in August of 1993. The person I bought my car off of purchased it in the Fall of 1978. He purchased it off of a car lot in the Denver Colorado area. Someone previous to this installed a 4 speed top loader and Koni adjustable rear shocks. They all so cut the fender lips and bent them up for extra tire clearance. You could not tell this by just looking at the car. They even keep on the fender lip trim. (If anyone has previous information about 1236 please let me know). The original engine and transmission were long gone before I bought the car. The owner before me did not modify the car at all. He thought the car was originally a 4 speed. I am not doing anything that can not be returned. (Except factory runs and drips on underside of car.) I am fortunate that my car's frame rails, torque boxes and floor pans are rust free. Since I want to track my car days I am installing a 351W with a 3550 5 speed. I have fabricated engine mounts to lower the engine and set it back, so I do not have to modify the transmission tunnel to install the 5 speed. This also helps the center of gravity. I have totally stripped the underside of car and epoxy primered it. Now seam sealing car. Trying to do a really clean job of seam sealing. I do not get to work on the car every week, so this is taking awhile. Lots of custom fabrication to come including custom headers for engine relocation. I will add updates and pictures as I make progress.
Title: Re: New category
Post by: 68GT350roadracer on January 19, 2019, 01:47:38 PM
New engine mounts vs original.
Title: Re: New category
Post by: TJinSA on January 19, 2019, 02:06:30 PM
VERY Nicely done; how far back does it shift the motor?
Title: Re: New category
Post by: Wedgeman on January 19, 2019, 02:15:23 PM
 8)
Title: Re: New category
Post by: 68GT350roadracer on January 20, 2019, 08:59:19 AM
TJinSA the engine is 1/2 of an inch back and 3/4 of an inch down. This has the shifter within 1/16 of the center of shifter hole in trans tunnel.

WedgeMan I love the pick of the 67 on the drag strip.

Title: Re: New category
Post by: kjspeed on January 20, 2019, 09:22:28 AM

Day 2:
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Title: Re: New category
Post by: 68GT350roadracer on January 20, 2019, 09:38:20 AM
kjspeed that is an AWESOME!!!!! car. Love the modifications that I can see. I have always liked the Daisy wheels. Which Wilwood disc brake kit do you have and will your 10 spokes fit with them? What event are the stickers from? Do you mind sharing with us the number of your Shelby?
Title: Re: New category
Post by: 2112 on January 20, 2019, 12:54:30 PM
kjspeed that is an AWESOME!!!!! car. Love the modifications that I can see. I have always liked the Daisy wheels. Which Wilwood disc brake kit do you have and will your 10 spokes fit with them? What event are the stickers from? Do you mind sharing with us the number of your Shelby?

+1 on the American S200's. Love those.

Love the chin spoiler and rake. No dirty diapers here.  😎
Title: Re: New category
Post by: Chris Thauberger on January 20, 2019, 01:39:02 PM
STUNNING COLOR!

Gotta love the induction. Tastefully done

Title: Re: New category
Post by: kjspeed on January 21, 2019, 04:16:12 PM
Thanks for the positive comments! I wish I could claim credit for doing this car, but I bought it like this from John Barnes - it's his creation! He sold it to me so he could finance his new hobby - searching for Champ (https://www.lakechamplainregion.com/heritage/champ)!

It's #2148 (https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=2333.0) Jade Green Metallic (Lincoln & Tbird color) with a Boss 351, Webers, Richmond 5-speed and it runs as good as it looks!


68GT350roadracer - I'm not sure of the Wilwood part numbers, but I will get them for you. I got 2 sets of the Daisy wheels but only one 10-spoke (spare). But John did have 10-spokes on it for a while so I'm sure some version of them would fit. The stickers are all class wins, most of them from South Glens Falls Raceway (NY), one Lebanon Valley and one other. I've come across another 68 Shelby for sale and an early 60's Galaxie drag car that frequents car shows down in here in Florida with the same stickers! Knowing John, he probably snagged a stack of them from the track and sold them at car shows  ;D  but he did provide a few trophies the car earned over the years. That does not count the numerous plaques I got also. It has won a lot of Popular Vote awards (see SAAC Registry).
(https://www.saacforum.com/gallery/153-210119161307.jpeg)
Title: Re: New category
Post by: FL SAAC TONY on January 21, 2019, 04:45:02 PM
saaaaweeeet!
Title: Re: New category
Post by: TJinSA on January 21, 2019, 11:53:26 PM
I posted these on the old forum, but... My car originally had Shelby-Cragars.  Through a history of being a dedicated drag race car, such foolishness was left behind.  When the car returned to street trim in 1979, the owner put on a set of original 10-spokes shod on 1969-70 dated G-60 and H-60 polyglas GTs he found languishing, still in paper wrapping, at various full-service gas stations.  I loved the beefier look, but just over a year ago friends were concerned with the age of my rubber so I set them aside and considered returning to Cragars.  For years in the hobby they were the 'WOW' factor on early cars, but now it seems every early Mustang, much less Shelby at car events have them.  You never know whether their right or owner-preferred.  A Day-2/3 look gave me a pretty limited pallet-- Torque Thrust, until my search was rewarded with these Halibrand repros.  Produced in the 63-5 time frame out of magnesium, Halibrand marketed them as "Touring Wheels for Sportscars" available in both bolt-on and spindle-mount knock-offs.  Studebaker made them optional on their R2 & R3 high-end cars.  Shelby's School of High Performance Driving also used them on at least one Falcon, and a Ranchero.  Looking at them, you see the same approach to design as the 6-pin drive Halibrands. During my curatorship, my car will never be a concours candidate, so these aspects REALLY hit the buttons for me to pull the trigger-

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As race wheels and tires began to widen and grow Halibrand just retired the mold-- couldn't be produced at the rate and cost of the Torque Thrust.

p.s. To avoid my reflection on Cragars, I bought the entire stock along with the molds (I wish) so they will remain a rare period piece.
Title: Re: New category
Post by: 2112 on January 22, 2019, 01:04:32 AM
Fist picture is tiny but the wheels are spectacular.
Title: Re: New category
Post by: 68GT350roadracer on January 22, 2019, 06:49:02 AM
kjspeed neat on all the trophies. I looked it up in the last registry. I really like the fact that it has been running the open track events. I hope to meet you at SAAC 44 if you are going. Thank you for the information. I am looking forward to the Willwood part numbers.

TJinSA AWESOME Shelby.
Title: Re: New category
Post by: kjspeed on January 29, 2019, 12:17:28 PM
68GT350roadracer - sorry for the delay in getting this to you. I had 90% of it composed on Saturday and then touched the wrong key on my keyboard and erased everything.

Front brakes: caliper# GK-120-4997, rotor DK-300-3099, 11-3/4" diameter, 13/16+" thick, rotor surface set back from hub face 1-7/8"
(https://www.saacforum.com/gallery/153-250119173531.jpeg)
(https://www.saacforum.com/gallery/153-250119173446.jpeg)

Rear brakes: caliper# EN-120-5005, rotor DN-170-6240, 12" diameter, 13/16+" thick, rotor surface to hub face 3-1/16"
(https://www.saacforum.com/gallery/153-250119173234.jpeg)
(https://www.saacforum.com/gallery/153-250119173337.jpeg)
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I can't find numbers on some parts without disassembling them. From what I can tell, these are all obsolete part numbers for the Dynalite series brake systems. I would guess there are newer part numbers for brake kits that would work on these cars with 10-spoke standard offset rims. If it helps you, the front and rear brake kits that I am using on my project car are; 140-9918 and 140-7140. These will work with 15x8 with 4-1/2" back spacing on the front and 15x10 with 5-1/2" back spacing on the rear. ~Kevin
Title: Re: New category
Post by: 68GT350roadracer on January 30, 2019, 06:18:04 AM
Thank you Kevin. That will help.

Roger
Title: Re: New category
Post by: 69bosssvt on February 10, 2019, 10:13:07 AM
This new forum would prolly be the only place I'd be able to visit once I make the decision to drop a 5.2 FPC drivetrain in my '68 vert #2626....still on the fence...32k orig miles is the biggest roadblock... I'm definitely a mod kinda guy...
Title: Re: New category
Post by: kjspeed on February 11, 2019, 11:00:57 AM

I like your vision, but if you are seriously considering doing this I could see some pitfalls (in addition to the razzing you'd get on this forum). Could it be done without altering the Shelby to the point of no return (to original)? Would the 5.2 FPC fit between the shock towers? With all that power you'd have to do some serious suspension upgrades to get it to handle on the road. When all is said and done, would it make more sense to build a clone with that power plant?

This new forum would prolly be the only place I'd be able to visit once I make the decision to drop a 5.2 FPC drivetrain in my '68 vert #2626....still on the fence...32k orig miles is the biggest roadblock... I'm definitely a mod kinda guy...
Title: Re: New category
Post by: 2112 on February 11, 2019, 11:14:37 AM
A built SBF would be great, or a Paxton.

Just a suggestion
Title: Re: New category
Post by: 69bosssvt on February 11, 2019, 07:43:39 PM
There is only one way to do it...no shock towers...DSE front suspension...I'm building a "tribute" '66 with a FPC engine right now...I just need to leave it alone I guess... I'm very familiar with modular transplants...it's a lot of cutting up... the last one is the current project...the others are modular engine '69's...