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Title: 1965/1966 air filter base with breather nipple, 5A Date
Post by: Karguy on December 06, 2018, 09:47:59 PM
I recently found and purchased a original 5A dated air filter base for 6s281. I have never had a chance to look an original base over and it looks really nice almost too nice. Although it came from a reputable seller, I would sure like the opinion of the Shelby gurus out there as it cost a few dollars and Id like to be positive it is the real deal and correct for 6s281. Here are a few pictures, what say those that know? If anyone needs different pictures please let me know.
Thanks, Karl
6s281
Title: Re: 1965/1966 air filter base with breather nipple, 5A Date
Post by: s2ms on December 06, 2018, 10:14:38 PM
Looks like a nice original to me...
Title: Re: 1965/1966 air filter base with breather nipple, 5A Date
Post by: mygt350 on December 07, 2018, 01:16:55 AM
Not all original bases were stamped 5A. My original is not stamped at all and it is original.
Title: Re: 1965/1966 air filter base with breather nipple, 5A Date
Post by: GT350Lad on December 07, 2018, 01:26:00 AM
Looks like original stamping Karl, nice piece mate
Title: Re: 1965/1966 air filter base with breather nipple, 5A Date
Post by: Greg on December 07, 2018, 08:07:35 AM
Other would know better than I but it does look really, really nice for a 53year old part.  It was possibly bead blasted and cleaned up??  I hope it is.
Title: Re: 1965/1966 air filter base with breather nipple, 5A Date
Post by: Harris Speedster on December 07, 2018, 09:21:21 AM
What years did not have the breather outlet?
Seems some were made like that?
With respect,
John
Title: Re: 1965/1966 air filter base with breather nipple, 5A Date
Post by: acman63 on December 07, 2018, 09:25:55 AM
What years did not have the breather outlet?
Seems some were made like that?
With respect,
John

UJ:  If Im not mistaken the cars from CA   got the breather and base with the nipple.  Other plants got push on breather and bases with no nipples
Title: Re: 1965/1966 air filter base with breather nipple, 5A Date
Post by: 427heaven on December 07, 2018, 09:26:16 AM
I have an original off of 6s 409 that is an original and was not stamped as well.
Title: Re: 1965/1966 air filter base with breather nipple, 5A Date
Post by: s2ms on December 07, 2018, 11:22:54 AM
They must have made a ton of 5A bases as they were used from Jan. 1965 up to Jan. 1966 when the 6A bases started being used. Early 66 cars would typically have a 5A base. I've seen several 66 dated bases, 6A and 6C being the most common, so assume those were made in smaller batches.
Title: Re: 1965/1966 air filter base with breather nipple, 5A Date
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 07, 2018, 01:05:31 PM
What years did not have the breather outlet?
Seems some were made like that?
With respect,
John
In regards to GT350 the 65 /66 all used a closed emission base which had the nipple regardless of if being sold in a state that required the smog equipment or not .Shelby's had a exemption in CA for 66 when the required thermactor system. In 1967 the GT350 did not have the exemption so a car that was in a state requiring the thermactor system got the closed emission base with the nipple /closed emission cap like 65/66. The rest of the GT350's got a open emission base that had had a 1/8 nipple that was capped and a open emission push on breather cap  like what the 67 GT500 used on the oil fill tube.   
Title: Re: 1965/1966 air filter base with breather nipple, 5A Date
Post by: J_Speegle on December 07, 2018, 04:48:15 PM
What years did not have the breather outlet?
Seems some were made like that?...........

Have to remember that these (different versions) were used on a number of different cars other than Mustang.

For Shelby's in 66 (since that is the area of the forums we're in) I agree with Bob. All were suppose to be built with the closed system - nipple at base and breather.
Title: Re: 1965/1966 air filter base with breather nipple, 5A Date
Post by: Harris Speedster on December 07, 2018, 05:58:11 PM
Thanks guys,
Utah john >>> many moons ago Big Jim !!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 1965/1966 air filter base with breather nipple, 5A Date
Post by: 6s1640 on December 11, 2018, 11:11:44 PM
Hi Karl,

Here are four side by side images of an original 5A HiPo lid base next to several reproduction bases.  The easiest way to ID an original to a repop is examining the breather nipple.  As in the OEM stuff, there are variation in the reppop world too.  There are three repops compared to the same original.

You can see quickly the differences.  Yours looks like an original.

Another difference, but harder to confirm without a accurate measuring device, is the opening on an original is slightly larger than the reproduction.  The reproduction I photographed just barely fits onto a 4100 Autolite ZFC carburetor, but the original fits with a little more clearance.  I will need to find my micrometer and post the actual dimensions.

Good deal on your find.

Cory
Title: Re: 1965/1966 air filter base with breather nipple, 5A Date
Post by: J_Speegle on December 11, 2018, 11:23:50 PM
Nice job there Cory :)
Title: Re: 1965/1966 air filter base with breather nipple, 5A Date
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 11, 2018, 11:40:55 PM
+1 . The best ID I have seen yet.
Title: Re: 1965/1966 air filter base with breather nipple, 5A Date
Post by: GT350Lad on December 12, 2018, 04:28:07 AM
Nicely done mate
Title: Re: 1965/1966 air filter base with breather nipple, 5A Date
Post by: acman63 on December 12, 2018, 10:16:43 AM
Thanks guys,
Utah john >>> many moons ago Big Jim !!!!!!!!

You will always be Utah John
Title: Re: 1965/1966 air filter base with breather nipple, 5A Date
Post by: Karguy on December 13, 2018, 11:41:13 PM
Cory,
 Thanks for the incredible documentation on the original 5a air cleaner base. I purchased this air filter base from Craig Conley at Paradise wheels, he was one of the recommendations that you gave me when I was looking for this part. Your pictures have definitely confirmed that this is an original part. I have to say, I was a little suspicious when I first received this part because it is so perfect.
 You are responsible for my c5 date correct C4 C servo cover and now this air filter base. Thank you again for your help, you rock!
Karl
6s281
Title: Re: 1965/1966 air filter base with breather nipple, 5A Date
Post by: 6s1640 on December 14, 2018, 02:09:14 AM
Hi Karl,

You are welcome for the information and glad to help.  That is what this forum is all about.  On the four base diameter opening's for the carb, I found the below inside dimensions and how well they fit on a Autolite 4100 ZFC carb.

5.05 inch (Repop, will not seat onto the carb.  Possibly an older repop.)
5.08 inch (Repop, barely fits, requires pressure to seat, the radius on the lip opening helps.)
5.10 inch (Repop, fits, but not by much, the radius on the lip opening helps.)
5.15 inch (Original.  Goes on nice.)

The OD for the ZFC carb is 5.10 inches.  This helps explain why the repops are challenged to install.

I hopes this helps others properly ID a correct HiPo lid base.

Take care

Cory
Title: Re: 1965/1966 air filter base with breather nipple, 5A Date
Post by: Karguy on December 14, 2018, 09:14:34 AM
 Thanks again Cory,  next time I go over to my friends machine shop I will borrow an inside micrometer and check my air filter base.
Karl
6s281