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Title: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on January 30, 2018, 04:43:47 PM
Anyone going or showing a car this year? I see that the 1968 Green Hornet is to be unveiled after a restoration
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on June 01, 2018, 02:40:02 PM
Anyone going to enter this year? I’ll be there in the long term high mileage Invitational
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on September 27, 2018, 07:39:53 PM
Anyone else taking a car to MCACN this year?
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: 6S1568 on September 27, 2018, 09:02:40 PM
Steve, I'll be there but not with my car. I look forward to seeing you and your Hertz car again. Denny
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on September 27, 2018, 10:21:07 PM
I wonder if I should show the "red one."  I'm not far away from the place.  Maybe too late to enter.  Besides I would think the public would want to see concours and concours she ain't.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Special Ed on September 27, 2018, 10:29:10 PM
I will be taking a drag pack convertible mustang.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: SFM66H on September 28, 2018, 01:29:19 AM
I'll have 1615 there. It went completely underground into a 30 year hibernation after SAAC 11, so MCACN will be the first time it has been seen/shown in public since July 1986.

I look forward to reuniting with the Shelby Gang from SAAC 42 in Indy last year!

Kieth

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/52-280918011656.jpeg)
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: BGlover67 on September 28, 2018, 06:06:50 AM
Kieth,

I'm looking forward to finally seeing your car in person, along with all the other beautiful cars there.  I was just hoping Nick might coordinate another dinner  night.  We can all stick him with the bill.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on September 28, 2018, 08:19:17 AM
I'll have 1615 there. It went completely underground into a 30 year hibernation after SAAC 11, so MCACN will be the first time it has been seen/shown in public since July 1986.

I look forward to reuniting with the Shelby Gang from SAAC 42 in Indy last year!

Kieth

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/52-280918011656.jpeg)
Hi Keith, Gorgeous Hertz! How do you plan to get your car to the show? Do they allow drive in and show? I don't have a trailer therefore I would need to drive. Concern is possibility of inclement weather.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on September 28, 2018, 08:37:46 AM
Wow, that’s probably the best looking white Hertz Car I’ve ever seen.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on September 28, 2018, 08:39:26 AM
I wonder if I should show the "red one."  I'm not far away from the place.  Maybe too late to enter.  Besides I would think the public would want to see concours and concours she ain't.

Mine is not even close to concours. It’s a 3D car , distance, darkness and drunkenness makes anything look perfect 👌
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: roddster on September 28, 2018, 09:18:43 AM
  Send in the entry form.  They can aways return it.  They're looking for any interesting muscle cars and yes, a high number are Concours correct, some aren't.  Also, you can opt out of judging, that costs even less.
 
  Note: high amount of folks show up Saturday morning t see the show.  By 2:00 PM, it is very easy the walk though and see everything, take photos without waiting for people to clear out, don't have to wait your turn to ask questions about the cars.  Later or on Sunday is better.
  The white w/gold striped GT350 H:  I'm sure I stared at that car back at SAAC 11.  It was my first attended SAAC convention.  Learned right then that all the H cars were not black and gold.  Cool
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: BGlover67 on September 28, 2018, 10:03:27 AM
This year, I believe, the are looking for long term ownership of a Shelby or muscle car.  Kieth can elaborate on this better. 

Amazingly, Kieth has owned his Shelby since winning gold at SAAC 11!  What you may not know is that his car fell into a very deep slumber after getting some enchanted oil from an Evil Queen.  It was only after Kieth realized his car would be awakened by a kiss from his car's one true love that the spell was finally broken.  Now, with the help of Jim Cowles, the car is out and about to be show in public again for the first time in many years.  I'm just trying to figure out where Kieth had to kiss 1615 to make it happen.  :o
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: SFM66H on September 28, 2018, 10:30:35 AM
Anyone going to enter this year? I’ll be there in the long term high mileage Invitational
I only found out about a new class at this year's MCACN from my buddy Ruben ('67 #0022 & 6S030) in Texas called the "Long Term Owner's Classification." I would never have had the nerve to even try to enter my Hertz until I learned of this class. At over 42 years of ownership though, it met the 30 year minimum requirement for consideration.


Hi Keith, Gorgeous Hertz! How do you plan to get your car to the show? Do they allow drive in and show? I don't have a trailer therefore I would need to drive. Concern is possibility of inclement weather.
I have arranged for enclosed trailer transportation from local sources. And get this: from two car guys whom I had NEVER met before! True story. Other car guys helped me put the word out, and two great guys stepped forward. I had checked with Reliable Carriers etc., but I'm just too paranoid to have my car loaded up into some trailer a week or more before the show.

Re: If they allow a "drive in and show" - contact the Director, Bob Ashton, at bashton426@gmail.com and he will be able to answer any questions you may have. He's been fantastic with prompt correspondence. But it's almost October, so I'm not sure about the window of time left, not to mention the weather at that time of year...



Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: SFM66H on September 28, 2018, 11:40:13 AM
Amazingly, Kieth has owned his Shelby since winning gold at SAAC 11!  What you may not know is that his car fell into a very deep slumber after getting some enchanted oil from an Evil Queen.  It was only after Kieth realized his car would be awakened by a kiss from his car's one true love that the spell was finally broken.  Now, with the help of Jim Cowles, the car is out and about to be show in public again for the first time in many years.  I'm just trying to figure out where Kieth had to kiss 1615 to make it happen.  :o

Actually Brian, I have owned my car for 10 years PRIOR to SAAC 11! I bought it at age 19 in 1976, and now I'm retired. How did that happen??

And Thanks are in order for an accomplishment of this magnitude. In order, since the beginning of my Shelby time, are:

Jim Cowles of Shelby Parts & Restoration in Green Bay. What else can I say about the ironic circumstance of being lucky enough to happen to live 4 miles from a guy with that amount of experience, knowledge, parts and connections? We have been friends since the mid 1970's. Thanks for all your help over the decades Jim, I couldn't have done it without you.

Brant Halterman of Virginia Classic Mustang. He has been helping me with parts, advice and technical questions since the early 1980's. I continue to marvel at a man like him, who is a VERY busy business owner, and yet who always takes the time to come to my aid whenever he is asked. I have not purchased enough parts from him over the decades to warrant the help he always provides me with, so I really can't explain it. I actually said to an employee of his one time, "Who does that?" She just said, "Brant does that." Amen.

Aaron Stauber, the owner of Big 3 Performance in Green Bay, and his main Shelby wrench, Jason Treptow. Aaron worked in high end shops prior to starting his own, and when I learned that he even used to work at Motion Products, Inc. (Neenah, WI) the world class Ferrari restoration facility here in the Fox Valley, I knew that I had found the place & the guy. Actually, the passing of the owner of MPI, Wayne Obry, at a very early age in 2016, was one of the main things that spurred me into resurrecting my car from its deep hibernation 2 years ago. Big 3 handled all the main aspects of the resurrection, including alignment, chassis dyno tuning, etc., etc. all while being hypersensitive careful of my Number 1 concern - the Wayne Obry paint job.

Dan Hoefler of Custom Precision Services in Kaukauna, WI. I actually learned of him from another friend I that reconnected with at Wayne's funeral in 2016. He said you HAVE to meet "this guy." The first time I met him, my jaw just dropped. And it drops every single time I go to his one-man-shop. I go on record as saying he is the most incredible man I have ever met. I have never known anyone with his knowledge, experience, skill, talent and willingness. His machine shop is equipped to handle every aspect of engine, transmission and rear end rebuilding, plus any other machining, fabrication, restoration or invention task. I will gladly put you in touch with him if you contact me. 
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on September 28, 2018, 11:45:49 AM
They let you unload in the building, it’s looks chaotic but they actually have it under control. They gave secure lot got trucks and trailers and a shuttle that goes back and forth to the hotels and convention center. Bob Ashton and his crew are great to work with. They seem to work more around your schedule rather than theirs.
As for weather in 2016 it was like like this
Weds arrival 75 degrees and sunny
Thursday load in, more of the same
Friday they opened at 5:00pn and the day was beautiful with just a little cloud cover
Saturday, well Saturday was a little different, 40mph gust, show blowing sideways, and a wind chill that was supposed to be 16 degrees
Sunday, cold but clear for the move out
The move out was almost seamless except we got stuck behind a car that was running super rich and he stopped every 4 or 5 feet to talk to people. The show closed at 5:00 we were as far from the door as you could possibly be and we had to swing by the hotel to get our luggage and were still loaded and on the road by 5:45, and we probably would have been on the road at 5:30 except for the “buddy” in front of us
Great show, great cars and even greater people. Just wish it was not almost 800 miles away
This is one show you won’t regret going to, it’s that good
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on September 28, 2018, 01:04:20 PM
I just applied to the non judged pick awards. Will see what they say. I will need to find a trailer shipper. Any recommendations are welcome.  I checked and I am 20 miles away. I could drive it but I'm going to opt for the trailer option given Chicago weather.

Best,

Richard E.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on September 28, 2018, 04:06:49 PM
Be brave drive it
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on September 28, 2018, 04:18:28 PM
$600 quote one way from a carrier that shall remain nameless. Driving option looking better and better option in the moment.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on September 28, 2018, 06:32:50 PM
This year, I believe, the are looking for long term ownership of a Shelby or muscle car.  Kieth can elaborate on this better. 

Amazingly, Kieth has owned his Shelby since winning gold at SAAC 11!  What you may not know is that his car fell into a very deep slumber after getting some enchanted oil from an Evil Queen.  It was only after Kieth realized his car would be awakened by a kiss from his car's one true love that the spell was finally broken.  Now, with the help of Jim Cowles, the car is out and about to be show in public again for the first time in many years.  I'm just trying to figure out where Kieth had to kiss 1615 to make it happen.  :o
Now that's some good writing and imagination. I like the imagery.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: SFM66H on September 28, 2018, 07:06:24 PM
This year, I believe, the are looking for long term ownership of a Shelby or muscle car.  Kieth can elaborate on this better. 

Amazingly, Kieth has owned his Shelby since winning gold at SAAC 11!  What you may not know is that his car fell into a very deep slumber after getting some enchanted oil from an Evil Queen.  It was only after Kieth realized his car would be awakened by a kiss from his car's one true love that the spell was finally broken.  Now, with the help of Jim Cowles, the car is out and about to be show in public again for the first time in many years. I'm just trying to figure out where Kieth had to kiss 1615 to make it happen.  :o
Now that's some good writing and imagination. I like the imagery.

Funny, but a bit disturbing. That Brian guy is something else...

Kieth
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: 2112 on September 28, 2018, 10:03:54 PM
Keith, I have a magazine (don't think Mustang Monthly tho) with a write up on you and your car from around 1985-86. I read the story over and over both as an undergrad and in professional graduate school.

Motivation.

Even have had a framed picture of it for over 30 years. Still have them. I need to dig up the magazine to remember if it was Sports Car Graphic or something else. The magazine name was never important to me. In fact, it was so used, the cover may have fallen off.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: SFM66H on September 29, 2018, 12:19:45 AM
2112 - Thanks for your incredibly kind (and motivational to me comments).

These may be the images you are speaking of. If so, mad respect to you for reaching out to share your thoughts with us here.

Kieth

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/52-280918235955.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/52-290918001052.jpeg)
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: SFM66H on September 29, 2018, 12:52:14 AM
2112 -

BTW, my wife & I have been from Port Orchard to Gig Harbor to Tacoma, but never knew about Fox Island until this exchange. We both agree that Washington state is a very special place that we both love very much.

Thanks for reaching out here,
Kieth
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on September 29, 2018, 03:37:23 AM
Drive ins are fine per Ashton. I'm in...
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: SFM66H on September 29, 2018, 11:28:17 AM
NICE - see you there!
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on September 29, 2018, 03:54:06 PM
Well BGlover is a Dentist, don't worry unless he asks "Is it safe"?
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on September 29, 2018, 04:31:57 PM
LOL!  Marathon Man!  He won't find any cavities or fillings in my mouth.  To date, I have none.  Don't know why, but I managed to avoid the dentist drill. 
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: 2112 on September 29, 2018, 04:34:37 PM
Keith, that's it!

My love for Shelbys started about 10 years earlier, but seeing that article, and the level of restoration you took it to just shot me to the moon.

Absolutely one of the most beautiful cars ever. Not just Ford, Mustang or Shelby, All cars.

Amazing 😉
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: 2112 on September 29, 2018, 04:39:13 PM
2112 -

BTW, my wife & I have been from Port Orchard to Gig Harbor to Tacoma, but never knew about Fox Island until this exchange. We both agree that Washington state is a very special place that we both love very much.

Thanks for reaching out here,
Kieth

👍

When you cross the Narrows bridge eastbound, look South and you can actually see my house (along with many others) out on the end of Fox Island.

Pretty lucky to be here. Incredibly beautiful.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: roddster on September 29, 2018, 06:04:41 PM
  Wow.  I'm on MCAcN e-mail list and must have missed that little detail about long term owners.  My 67 was in the show last year.  So, this must be new.  Nice of them to recognize long lerm owners.  #0036 and I are approaching 47 years.
  Last years unloading could not have been easier.  I arrived at the time set, rolled right in, and off the trailer.  They had made arrangements for trailer parking a few blocks away.  At the shows end on Sunday evening, getting out (and back to the trailer) was easy also.  About 1/3 to 1/2 the entrants drove out and went a few blocks to thier trailer.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: bashton on October 05, 2018, 09:04:11 AM
We are again really pumped and excited to present an incredible show and  to celebrate our TENTH Anniversary. YES...I am biased, but ask around as our best advertising are the people who join us.

The Official Unveiling of the Green Hornet will take place Saturday morning and the recently discovered Little Red will be on display right beside it, scheduled for Unveiling with us in 2019.

Our Original and Long Term Owners special display has over 30 participants including several Shelbys as you can see from previous posts.

We have our Shelby and Mustang Pinnacle certification and a variety of Shelbys and Mustangs throughout the show including another Unveiling Saturday morning of a 1971 SCJ 429 Mustang that is joining us from California and a GT500 KR in our Barn Finds & Hidden Gems area.

Most notable, although not Shelby related is that we will have Steven Juliano's Rapid Transit System Caravan cars right up front as the star of our featured Rapid Transit & Scat Pack Invitational display.

Although two of our Official Host Hotels are now sold out, we do have rooms with great rates at the Crowne Plaza, the aLoft and the Hyatt. There are direct booking links on our website along with all kinds of information. www.mcacn.com

If anyone needs more information, please feel free to e-mail me at bashton426@gmail.com

THANKS;

Bashton
MCACN Managing Member
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: bashton on October 05, 2018, 09:09:42 AM
Anyone going to enter this year? I’ll be there in the long term high mileage Invitational
I only found out about a new class at this year's MCACN from my buddy Ruben ('67 #0022 & 6S030) in Texas called the "Long Term Owner's Classification." I would never have had the nerve to even try to enter my Hertz until I learned of this class. At over 42 years of ownership though, it met the 30 year minimum requirement for consideration.


Hi Keith, Gorgeous Hertz! How do you plan to get your car to the show? Do they allow drive in and show? I don't have a trailer therefore I would need to drive. Concern is possibility of inclement weather.
I have arranged for enclosed trailer transportation from local sources. And get this: from two car guys whom I had NEVER met before! True story. Other car guys helped me put the word out, and two great guys stepped forward. I had checked with Reliable Carriers etc., but I'm just too paranoid to have my car loaded up into some trailer a week or more before the show.

Re: If they allow a "drive in and show" - contact the Director, Bob Ashton, at bashton426@gmail.com and he will be able to answer any questions you may have. He's been fantastic with prompt correspondence. But it's almost October, so I'm not sure about the window of time left, not to mention the weather at that time of year...

We are truly honored to have you and Steve MacDonald joining us. Although many of the 550+ cars on display could be deemed "trailer queens" we LOVE the ones that aren't. Some of the best stories come from those who actually drive and enjoy their cars! I also have that issue of Guide to Muscle Cars in my collection.

Bashton
MCACN Managing Member
www.mcacn.com
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: BGlover67 on October 05, 2018, 09:27:41 AM
For anyone who doesn't remember:  MCACN 2018 dates are November 17, 18 (Saturday and Sunday)
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on October 05, 2018, 12:03:55 PM
Brian
Are you coming this year?
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on October 05, 2018, 02:39:17 PM
Anyone needing accommodation for MCACN I can accommodate one carbon based life form at my house and a trailer in my driveway with car enclosed all at no cost. Caveat...I am 20 miles from show. BUT it is a straight run along 390 formerly known as the Elgin-O'Hare which ironically neither goes to Elgin not does it go to O'Hare. Garage space at house if you drive in. I can leave my Towncar outside. No problem.

Regards,

Richard Elsliger
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: BGlover67 on October 05, 2018, 10:39:27 PM
Brian
Are you coming this year?

Steve,

I can’t wait.  Looking forward to seeing everyone.

Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: 1690 on October 06, 2018, 08:50:38 AM
I'll be there.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: TOBKOB on October 07, 2018, 06:42:51 PM
Quote
Anyone needing accommodation for MCACN I can accommodate one carbon based life form at my house and a trailer in my driveway with car enclosed all at no cost. Caveat...I am 20 miles from show. BUT it is a straight run along 390 formerly known as the Elgin-O'Hare which ironically neither goes to Elgin not does it go to O'Hare. Garage space at house if you drive in. I can leave my Towncar outside. No problem.
Regards,
Richard Elsliger

A very nice and generous offer..

TOB
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on October 07, 2018, 10:17:10 PM
Quote
Anyone needing accommodation for MCACN I can accommodate one carbon based life form at my house and a trailer in my driveway with car enclosed all at no cost. Caveat...I am 20 miles from show. BUT it is a straight run along 390 formerly known as the Elgin-O'Hare which ironically neither goes to Elgin not does it go to O'Hare. Garage space at house if you drive in. I can leave my Towncar outside. No problem.
Regards,
Richard Elsliger

A very nice and generous offer..

TOB

Offer stays open until accepted, (if any takers).  Short notice no problem.  No ball and chain living here anymore telling me what to do or not do.  The Schnitzel maker returned back to Europe a long time ago.  (But the car stayed!!!)  LOL!
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on October 29, 2018, 06:00:49 PM
Just got the MCACN Program today and was “counting the Shelby’s “ I see that they are going to have both the Bordinat Cobra and the Cougar II ( booth are on A/C chassis. The Cougar II was always one of my favorite cars and I even had a model of it when I was younger. I saw it in Detroit at the Cougar 50th at Ford’s Headquarters. Hopefully they will have a drool bib for me to wear. I saw the picture of the red 68 Shelby with the girl in the bikini next to it. Imagine my surprise when I saw a picture of my 66Hertz car on page 49. Wow, what an honor. On page 51 they have a picture of the “Barn Finds and Hidden Gems” Red 1968 GT500 convertible. I know that a lot more cars are coming and I can’t wait to see them all
Anyone have a list yet?
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on October 29, 2018, 06:49:31 PM
Ah, you can include the 1967 Shelby coupe, Little Red to be shown as found in a field

....along with the new and improved 1968 Shelby coupe aka the Green Hornet now powered by Conelec EFI and making more horse power and more torque than a naturally aspirated 428 CJ.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Shelby_r_b on October 29, 2018, 06:49:45 PM
Quick update - anyone coming that has not self identified?

I’m in!!! Last minute call.  ;D
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on October 29, 2018, 07:40:38 PM
Can’t wait to see all the cars
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: 68GT350roadracer on November 11, 2018, 07:26:40 AM
I am going as a spectator.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: JJH on November 11, 2018, 08:32:28 AM
Quick update - anyone coming that has not self identified?

I’m in!!! Last minute call.  ;D
I'm coming in from Boston for the third year in a row to hang with my buddy Nick ('67 #1690)...love this show and his friendship!!
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: BGlover67 on November 11, 2018, 10:52:50 AM
Quick update - anyone coming that has not self identified?

I’m in!!! Last minute call.  ;D
I'm coming in from Boston for the third year in a row to hang with my buddy Nick ('67 #1690)...love this show and his friendship!!

Nick?  You mean the guy who stuck everyone with the dinner bill a few years ago? ;)
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: JJH on November 11, 2018, 12:39:57 PM
Quick update - anyone coming that has not self identified?

I’m in!!! Last minute call.  ;D
I'm coming in from Boston for the third year in a row to hang with my buddy Nick ('67 #1690)...love this show and his friendship!!

Nick?  You mean the guy who stuck everyone with the dinner bill a few years ago? ;)
Ha! Yes Brian, hoping he won't try that again...I'm wise to him now ;D
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Bob Gaines on November 11, 2018, 01:12:39 PM
I volunteered to accompany Vern. Someone has to keep his wild tendencies in check  ;) .
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Shelby_r_b on November 11, 2018, 03:47:44 PM
I volunteered to accompany Vern. Someone has to keep his wild tendencies in check  ;) .

Yes. Having a child has not slowed him down at all. He’s an animal! 😉
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 11, 2018, 05:26:31 PM
Took the car out to adjust the fuel tank level, had to burn about a 1/2 tank. 90 minutes of college fall driving, loaded it in the trailer and we start towards Chicago on Thursday
Can’t wait to get there
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 13, 2018, 11:04:09 PM
With the upcoming weather system we are trying to head out tomorrow. Don’t want to try out my ice driving skills on Thursday morning in Pennsylvania
Hopefully it won’t disrupt anyone’s else’s plans
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 15, 2018, 09:12:09 PM
Arrived and am seeing all the great cars being driven in. Can’t wait to see them all and start checking them out
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: kingchief on November 15, 2018, 10:16:07 PM
Please take photos!

Thanks,

Steve
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on November 16, 2018, 06:42:50 AM
Weeeeeeeeeeeee...packing up now, should be there soon.

Hey wait, if Bob is watching Vern, who is going to watch Bob?
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: roddster on November 16, 2018, 09:42:49 AM
  Pack your winter coats.  This year its snowy and in the 30's.  Way different than last year.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: gjz30075 on November 16, 2018, 10:13:16 AM
I hope Deathsled got his car there in time.   Wasn't he driving it there?  Or did he find a trailer?   Richard??
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on November 16, 2018, 05:23:03 PM
It has begun. Tons of cars there btw. Valhalla for all that is automotive. I was there at 8 am and they were still streaming in.
I plan to go an do a wipe down tonight. Roads were clean this morning. I towed it because I needed another car to get to court. First world problems of the first order.
I saw white and black Hertz cars. Don't know where they will put my upstart.

Best,

Richard E.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 16, 2018, 09:56:14 PM
I watched you pull in from the hotel window
Looked vey nice from that angle
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: JD on November 16, 2018, 10:59:44 PM
Hope all have too much fun...looking forward to more photos!

Shelby sunny-side up...



Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on November 16, 2018, 11:57:42 PM
Thanks for fixing JD.  And Steve, we got turned around but found the side entrance. They put baby in a corner. Lol! I was there this evening using a waterless rinse for the first time.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on November 17, 2018, 12:01:03 AM
More pics.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on November 17, 2018, 12:04:01 AM
More...
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on November 17, 2018, 12:06:26 AM
More
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on November 17, 2018, 12:09:02 AM
And more...
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on November 17, 2018, 12:15:19 AM
And...
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on November 17, 2018, 12:23:52 AM
You know...
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on November 17, 2018, 12:26:49 AM
And this just scratches the surface. There were whole wings of cars I did not get to this evening.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on November 17, 2018, 12:29:28 AM
A few more.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: In The Doghouse on November 17, 2018, 05:34:14 AM
You should take your waterless  wash/rinse kit to the barn finds section and act like you're going to wash them all...
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on November 17, 2018, 06:55:14 AM
If I were to, I would plan to do so at the busiest time in order to create an angry mob.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: propayne on November 17, 2018, 07:36:04 AM
Thanks for posting all the pics deathsled.

- Phillip
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: JD on November 17, 2018, 09:38:46 AM
^^ yes thanks for posting!

Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: CorvetteMike on November 17, 2018, 09:59:54 AM
Any '65 GT350 Rs there?
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: BGlover67 on November 17, 2018, 10:59:16 AM
Wow, again it looks like a fun show.  I'm so glad to see Kieth made it with his Hertz.  His friend's Boss parked next to him is unreal from what I understand. 
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on November 17, 2018, 11:04:09 AM
No R Models there. I wish there were. I know of an R Model that is at Legendary Motor Car. It is the Milo Brooks car originally out of Chicago. If I get to Toronto soon I will see it and many photographs will follow. Here's that Boss 302 mentioned. And an unusual view from one of the rats maze tunnels. This area is one massive entertainment district. Easy to get turned around if you don't use dead reckoning.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: cj750 on November 17, 2018, 02:24:07 PM
Wish I could be there, but lovin' the pix.

Would like to see some Cougar Eliminators or GT-Es, if you happen to spot any.

Jay
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on November 17, 2018, 09:50:51 PM
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-171118215406.jpeg)
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Scott Fuller on November 17, 2018, 09:56:36 PM
Flipped
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Bigfoot on November 17, 2018, 09:56:49 PM
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-171118215541.jpeg)

Nice flip.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on November 17, 2018, 09:58:57 PM
Thank you Scott.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: 68GT350roadracer on November 17, 2018, 10:04:53 PM
I will be there tomorrow.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on November 18, 2018, 01:29:20 AM
Saturday pics
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on November 18, 2018, 01:33:42 AM
And ...
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: propayne on November 18, 2018, 09:06:22 AM
Green Hornet looks awesome - and GREEN!

Can't wait to see more of it.

Thanks again to all the photos!

- Phillip
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: propayne on November 18, 2018, 09:32:37 AM
Nice video of the Bordinat Cougar II and Cobra show cars -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm_xlyhkZX0&feature=em-comments

I never knew the Cougar II didn't have an engine. The wiring hanging under the dash makes it look like a running vehicle.

- Phillip
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on November 18, 2018, 07:12:48 PM
Phillip, got some pictures for you....
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: propayne on November 18, 2018, 07:34:59 PM
Would love to see what you've got Pete - feel free to email them to me or post here.

One of these days I am going to go to the MCACN show. My wife has lots of family in Chicago.

- Phillip
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on November 18, 2018, 08:07:11 PM
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-181118200336.jpeg)
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on November 18, 2018, 08:07:55 PM
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-181118200227.jpeg)
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on November 18, 2018, 08:08:44 PM
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-181118200300.jpeg)
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on November 18, 2018, 08:09:21 PM
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-181118200411.jpeg)
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on November 18, 2018, 08:10:00 PM
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-181118200446.jpeg)
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on November 18, 2018, 08:10:56 PM
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-181118200530.jpeg)
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on November 18, 2018, 08:14:09 PM
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-181118201252.jpeg)
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on November 18, 2018, 08:15:37 PM
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-181118201319.jpeg)

Conelec display case with rare EFI parts and a thank you to all that helped with the project.

Very well received! Almost as popular as the funky, green car! Its not real clear but here are some of the helpful people:

SAAC, Servo Instrument, Exact Metrology, Bob's Metal Works, Performance Engine, The Long Family, Jose Amario, Jeff Ball, Alloy Metal Products, Ecodyne, Shinook Machine, Billup's Auto Body, Classic Tube. Thank You!

These people were all pros and knew what they were doing, you don't get that very often. Everyone one of these people (and companies) should be extremely proud of this accomplishment. 5 years ago there were about tweleve people that even knew Conelec existed. Today its powering the coolest, experimental Shelby ever built.

Pete



Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: propayne on November 18, 2018, 10:09:46 PM
Thanks for posting those Pete - looks like Craig Keith's G and GT-E.

That's one of my decals on the G  ;D

- Phillip
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on November 19, 2018, 07:27:46 AM
Sounds correct, very well done cars, same owner.

I can post some other pics later, not Fords
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on November 19, 2018, 05:58:42 PM
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-191118175702.jpeg)
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on November 19, 2018, 05:59:26 PM
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-191118175637.jpeg)
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on November 19, 2018, 06:00:05 PM
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-191118175617.jpeg)

I need this to outrun green Mustangs! I will need six hubcaps!
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on November 19, 2018, 06:07:12 PM
I saw that black Charger. Young guy out of Bourbonaise Illinois. The black paint looked liquid and flawless.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 20, 2018, 06:56:20 AM
Just got home last night around 9:30 driving through a bunch of slop and snow.
Wanted to say it was great to see people like, Pete, Bob, Vern,  Jim C, Nick, Deathsled, and so many others. To say this show is awesome and that the cars are incredible is an understatement, but the most amazing thing there is the people. The owners of the cars on display are the best, they truly embrace the passion and enthusiasm of what makes this show great. I saw some many jaw dropping restorations, many unrestored originals, many Barn finds, many driver qualitycars, and so many, many more that unless you were there it is hard to explain.
Seeing those cars is one thing but meeting the people is another and that itself is worth the price of admission
If you have a car to show and can get it into this show you owe it to yourself to do so. If you ever wanted to see the most amazing collection of muscle and collector cars all in one space, this is the show.
I took a bunch of pictures and will try and post them later this week
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: roddster on November 20, 2018, 09:52:34 AM
  Somebody can fill in the car numbers:
 3- 66 GT 350's (one black, one white, one red)
 1 68 KR (was in the Barn Find area)
 Green Hornet
 Lil'Red
 The 67 SuperSnake
 The Bordinat Cobra
 The Cougar Cobra
 Dana Mecum's GT 40 roadster

  Did I miss any others?
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on November 20, 2018, 09:53:13 AM
Glad you made it back Steve. It was great to meet all you gentlemen.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on November 20, 2018, 09:57:16 AM
I saw a black 68 G.T. 500 on a stand there. White top.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on November 20, 2018, 10:34:01 AM
Little Red is 67411FH900131 / 7R01S133947

Green Hornet is 8F01S104288 /  not assigned a Shelby serial number

Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on November 20, 2018, 10:38:39 AM
The black/white GT500 Convertible is #2139

Its the only car to win highest awards at an MCA national, Tulsa MidAmerica, SAAC national and MCACN in the same year. Restored using all original parts ( no reproductions)

Without debate the best restored GT500 ever and probably the best restored 1968 Shelby ever.
I think Ben Wagoner’s GT500 KR has to be in the discussion.

Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on November 20, 2018, 11:06:00 AM
The silver Bordinat Cobra is CSX3001
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 20, 2018, 11:17:39 AM
The black/white GT500 Convertible

Its the only car to win highest awards at an MCA national, Tulsa MidAmerica, SAAC national and MCACN in the same year. Restored using all original parts ( no reproductions)

Without debate the best restored GT500 ever and probably the best restored 1968 Shelby ever.

Owner is a forum member.

That car was beyond perfect
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on November 20, 2018, 11:59:24 AM
Blue KR was 4379
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on November 20, 2018, 12:09:19 PM
Extra photos
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on November 20, 2018, 12:21:31 PM
(http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=408.0;attach=12002;image)

Cougar II show car is CSX 2008
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Corey Bowcutt on November 20, 2018, 12:31:30 PM
No pictures of this Black/white GT500?
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: 2112 on November 20, 2018, 12:57:05 PM
(http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=408.0;attach=12002;image)

Cougar II show car is CSX 2008

Is this car powered by a 289?

Beautiful design.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: JD on November 20, 2018, 01:13:08 PM
I thought it was a non-runner - no drive train.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Bob Gaines on November 20, 2018, 01:45:54 PM
I thought it was a non-runner - no drive train.
There are engine blocks sitting in them both as weight distribution for ease of pushing around and are not hooked up.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Dan Case on November 20, 2018, 01:49:23 PM
(http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=408.0;attach=12002;image)

Cougar II show car is CSX 2008

Is this car powered by a 289?

Beautiful design.

The pictures I have seen show what is left of a XHP-260 engine, i.e. the cylinder heads and higher parts were missing. Circa 2013 I tried to see if the place that has the car would be interested in getting it running again as a complete unrestored XHP-260 engine became available. They were not interested.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Bob Gaines on November 20, 2018, 01:51:10 PM
Because of the body design the engine placement would have to be engineered forward . I suppose as a design /concept car they didn't care if it moved under it's own power so they didn't spend the time or effort for that aspect.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: SFM66H on November 20, 2018, 01:54:20 PM
I just got back from MCACN yesterday, and I used a phrase all weekend to describe the experience: "Sensory overload"

But the hilite of my weekend for sure was the opportunity to invite the former owner of my car to this event to be able to meet him for the first time in over 42 years, and for him to see his car for the first time since 1976!!

This is Bob Taylor, who bought 6S1615 in 1976 at age 16 (with a signature from his father) and who then sold it that same year. I acquired it on June 30, 1976. He said that he has regretted it everyday since the day he sold it. I asked him why he did sell it. He said, "You know, I was just 16 years old at the time and I was impulsive and I just figured I would get another one someday." That day never came, and this turned out to be the only Shelby Bob ever owned. He has a brother who is two years older, and he owned a 1968 GT500 KR. His brother also parted with his car around that same time, and about a month later it was destroyed in an accident. So then both Shelbys were gone from the Taylor family.

Bob and his wife Helen are two of the nicest people I have ever met, and it was an honor and a privilege to meet them and to have a nice long visit with them. We bonded instantly, as people in situations like this usually do. I am so thankful that they were able to attend the show and for Bob to be reunited with his car. It was a humbling experience for sure, and the thrill of a lifetime for me.

Thank you Bob & Helen!

Kieth 

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/52-201118130521.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/52-201118130609.jpeg)

Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: deathsled on November 20, 2018, 02:35:25 PM
That is a wonderful story! Not to sound sarcastic here or detract from the moment but what will Millennials reunite with in their later years? An iPhone they once had??? Will they get sentimental over it and the functions it had? We live in interesting times gentlemen.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: 68blk500c on November 20, 2018, 04:21:36 PM
The black/white GT500 Convertible is #2139

Its the only car to win highest awards at an MCA national, Tulsa MidAmerica, SAAC national and MCACN in the same year. Restored using all original parts ( no reproductions)

Without debate the best restored GT500 ever and probably the best restored 1968 Shelby ever.
I think Ben Wagoner’s GT500 KR has to be in the discussion.

We are honored by your recognition, Pete.  It has been quite a year.  Thanks to the crew at Billups for making this happen.
MANY others have had their part, also, including Pete and Tim.  Agree totally about Ben's car; he is my idol.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 20, 2018, 04:33:08 PM
Kieth, you’re right, sensory overload is not hitting the mark on how great the show was.
Being parked next to a car as nice as yours was an honor ( sorry about the two big dirt piles I left on the floor after cleaning the mud out of my tires)
I took a lot of detailed pictures of your car as I want to replicate some of the “originality” on my car
I’m really glad you showed your car, it was beautiful and the accolades it received were great and well received.
Maybe we can talk Bob Ashton into having a new “Snake Pit” and we all can meet back every year at MCACN.
Now it’s on to making plans for SAAC 44, hope to see you there sharing your car and it’s stories with more folks
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Bob Gaines on November 20, 2018, 04:43:59 PM
Because of the body design the engine placement would have to be engineered forward . I suppose as a design /concept car they didn't care if it moved under it's own power so they didn't spend the time or effort for that aspect.
Just repeating what the what the curator from the Detroit museum answered when the question was asked of him on Saturday.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 20, 2018, 05:04:58 PM
Same thing he told me on a Friday (or was it Thursday?)
He said Ford wanted the foot box increased in length and it actually touches the back of the block. He said in its present state you cannot even install cylinder heads on the 260 block that’s in the car. He told that both cars have always been non-runners and that the MCACN Show and Peeble Beach are the only times that the cars have been displayed to the public as a pair
Sure they have nicks and scratches but they are a beautiful and you wish they would have made them Seeing them there made me wish I’d have kept that model I made of the Cougar II
On Thursday he let me look them over really close, but he didn’t offer to open them up and I didn’t want to push my luck by asking for my picture to be taken sitting in it.
Neat historical pieces that I wished I owned
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: SFM66H on November 20, 2018, 07:25:11 PM
Kieth, you’re right, sensory overload is not hitting the mark on how great the show was.
Being parked next to a car as nice as yours was an honor ( sorry about the two big dirt piles I left on the floor after cleaning the mud out of my tires)
I took a lot of detailed pictures of your car as I want to replicate some of the “originality” on my car
I’m really glad you showed your car, it was beautiful and the accolades it received were great and well received.
Maybe we can talk Bob Ashton into having a new “Snake Pit” and we all can meet back every year at MCACN.
Now it’s on to making plans for SAAC 44, hope to see you there sharing your car and it’s stories with more folks

Steve,

It was a real pleasure to meet you and your wife - you are both wonderful people, and your Mustang Monthly cover car just blew me away! I thought I was a Long Term Owner, but you left me in the dust in that regard.

Your easy going friendliness and comic skills kept me afloat during the early stressful part of this great unknown-to-me event - Thank you for that.

Congrats to you and your history with that famous Hertz car.

Kieth

Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 20, 2018, 08:34:12 PM
Same thing he told me on a Friday (or was it Thursday?)
He said Ford wanted the foot box increased in length and it actually touches the back of the block. He said in its present state you cannot even install cylinder heads on the 260 block that’s in the car. He told that both cars have always been non-runners and that the MCACN Show and Peeble Beach are the only times that the cars have been displayed to the public as a pair
Sure they have nicks and scratches but they are a beautiful and you wish they would have made them Seeing them there made me wish I’d have kept that model I made of the Cougar II
On Thursday he let me look them over really close, but he didn’t offer to open them up and I didn’t want to push my luck by asking for my picture to be taken sitting in it.
Neat historical pieces that I wished I owned

Update: I’ve been told by a person with some better knowledge than me that the Silver car did run and was at an early SAAC convention.
Running or not I’d take them both
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: cobrajeff on November 20, 2018, 09:40:15 PM
Whoever told you guys that the Bordinat Cobra and Cougar II were never running cars doesn't know what he is talking about.   The cockpit dimensions were not changed, the bodywork on both cars was extended ahead of the radiator and behind the rear wheels.   Both of these cars ran back in the sixties.
I spent many hours working on them myself back in 2003, preparing to reveal then together for the first time ever at SAAC 29.   I talked to a lot of the people who built these cars, and even some that had driven them.   The engines were stripped of their cylinder heads and induction systems by Ford before they were donated to the Henry Ford Museum to make them non-functional.    We are so very fortunate that they decided to make them into push cars rather than crush them.   Dan Case very graciously offered some vintage Cobra parts to help restore the engines, and I volunteered to perform the installation, but the Detroit Historical Society was not interested in having the cars made into running vehicles.   They probably face fewer liability concerns if the cars cannot be driven.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/90-201118211524.jpeg)  (http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/90-201118211616.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/90-201118211653.jpeg)  (http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/90-201118211729.jpeg)


Jeff Burgy



 


Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Dan Case on November 20, 2018, 09:52:52 PM
Thanks for the back up and pictures.

Martha and I were standing by the cars at the MCACN event. We listened to one round of the spokesman's speech and didn't want to hear it a second time.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: propayne on November 20, 2018, 09:57:27 PM
Thanks for the info and great pics Jeff - glad to know my memory isn't faulty in this instance.

- Phillip

Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: JD on November 21, 2018, 02:13:04 AM
All, see link starting at the 1:56 point is why I posted the comment above;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm_xlyhkZX0

Jeff and others glad to know that is not the case in earlier times.


Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 22, 2018, 01:07:03 PM
Here's a few pictures
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 22, 2018, 01:14:36 PM
And some more photos
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 22, 2018, 01:18:41 PM
and a few more
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 22, 2018, 01:21:22 PM
One of the artists was taking pictures of Keith's car
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: 2112 on November 22, 2018, 01:39:03 PM
One of the artists was taking pictures of Keith's car

Probably cause Keith's car is truly a work of art.   8)
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: SFM66H on November 22, 2018, 02:21:10 PM
Thanks Guys.

That's automotive artist David Snyder. He wants my engine to be #2 in a series of four FORD engines that he is going to paint in late 2019.

He said that the 427 will be first, then the 289 Hi-Po, then the Boss 302 and the Boss 429.

What an honor. Thank you David!

Kieth

(http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=408.0;attach=12135;image)
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: SFM66H on November 22, 2018, 02:28:25 PM
During the teardown of the MCACN show, the one-of-one Shelby Super Snake rumbled (LOUDLY) by with its Le Mans spec GT40 MKII 427 race engine.
 
I tried to follow it into a cold adjoining warehouse but couldn't keep up. When I did find it, it had been left alone, parked behind a Reliable Carriers semi, with the windows down, key in the ignition, and no one around.
 
There it would sit until the truck driver jumped into it to load ‘er up.
 
Just sayin’ . . . . .


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/52-221118141108.jpeg)
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: BGlover67 on November 22, 2018, 03:00:56 PM
During the teardown of the MCACN show, the one-of-one Shelby Super Snake rumbled (LOUDLY) by with its Le Mans spec GT40 MKII 427 race engine.
 
I tried to follow it into a cold adjoining warehouse but couldn't keep up. When I did find it, it had been left alone, parked behind a Reliable Carriers semi, with the windows down, key in the ignition, and no one around.
 
There it would sit until the truck driver jumped into it to load ‘er up.
 
Just sayin’ . . . . .


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/52-221118141108.jpeg)


That is amazing.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Richstang on November 22, 2018, 03:46:47 PM
That is an EVIL temptation!
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: JD on November 22, 2018, 03:51:26 PM
Kieth you've talked about maybe getting a'67 that was your chance! 

You could have parked your '66 there taken the '67 and the driver wouldn't notice the swap - hey it was a White Shelby with stripes ;-)
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 22, 2018, 03:54:23 PM
Keith’s car underside is much better than my cars outside
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: SFM66H on November 22, 2018, 04:02:31 PM
 
Kieth you've talked about maybe getting a'67 that was your chance! 

You could have parked your '66 there taken the '67 and the driver wouldn't notice the swap - hey it was a White Shelby with stripes ;-)

Forehead slap! DUH! I was so stunned at being alone with the Super Snake I couldn't even gather myself! I just stuck my head inside the window to look at the keys in the ignition.

I am not kidding - there was NO one around in this huge warehouse at that time. And there's a Plum Crazy Hemi Cuda sitting there in the cold behind the Snake.

It looked like they might just sit there all night...

Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 22, 2018, 04:09:55 PM
One of the artists was taking pictures of Keith's car

Probably cause Keith's car is truly a work of art.   8)
+1
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Shelby_r_b on November 22, 2018, 11:49:32 PM
I was blessed to attend this year's offering of MCACN, and it did not disappoint!

What's really great is seeing old friends and / or making new friends.  But, nothing tops shooting pictures that later reveal people you know in the background - it's a small world.

Let's play a game of "I Spy".  Attached are two pictures I took of the Green Hornet unveiling...can you find the famous SAAC Forum Members in the background?  There are 2 in the top picture and 1 in the bottom picture.   ;D
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Side-Oilers on November 23, 2018, 12:37:38 AM
During the teardown of the MCACN show, the one-of-one Shelby Super Snake rumbled (LOUDLY) by with its Le Mans spec GT40 MKII 427 race engine.
 
I tried to follow it into a cold adjoining warehouse but couldn't keep up. When I did find it, it had been left alone, parked behind a Reliable Carriers semi, with the windows down, key in the ignition, and no one around.
 
There it would sit until the truck driver jumped into it to load ‘er up.
 
Just sayin’ . . . . .


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/52-221118141108.jpeg)

That is an OMG moment.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: 557 on November 23, 2018, 01:04:47 AM
A “lap around the block “ is still considered auto theft then? ;)
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on November 23, 2018, 07:39:48 AM
I see Mr Gaines, Vern and the Coralsnake in that photo above lol
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Shelby_r_b on November 23, 2018, 09:10:30 AM
I see Mr Gaines, Vern and the Coralsnake in that photo above lol

Well done! And, apologies, as I’ve never met you, Pete, and didn’t know you were there, too!  ;D

The forum was well represented 👍🏻 
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Coralsnake on November 23, 2018, 09:13:08 AM
Well it is a bit like Wilson on Tool Time, I am behind the guy in the blue shirt.

 :)
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: shelbydoug on November 23, 2018, 09:34:53 AM
When I had my chance to buy the SuperSnake it was the whitewalls that blew the deal. Yuk!
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: acman63 on November 23, 2018, 12:13:19 PM
Doug:  i thought you were always a wide white guy sort of guy  living down there in Yonkers
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: SFM66H on November 23, 2018, 12:30:10 PM
When I had my chance to buy the SuperSnake it was the whitewalls that blew the deal. Yuk!

shelbydoug,

I don't know you, so I don't know if you're being facetious or not, and I hear you about whitewalls.

But IMHPO, when a feature that I actually don't like at all (WW tires), happens to be historically correct (and exceedingly rare), it rockets right up to the top of the COOL scale for me!

Different, rare, AND historically accurate? NICE!

When I win the Lottery and the Super Snake becomes mine, it shall retain it's made-of-unobtainium, only-NOS-set-on-the-planet, Goodyear Thunderbolt whitewall tires!

But that's just me . . . .

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Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: 2112 on November 23, 2018, 01:29:25 PM
^^^^^

Must have been the torque of the 427 cracked the windshield?   :o
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Side-Oilers on November 23, 2018, 01:32:35 PM
When I had my chance to buy the SuperSnake it was the whitewalls that blew the deal. Yuk!

shelbydoug,

I don't know you, so I don't know if you're being facetious or not, and I hear you about whitewalls.

But IMHPO, when a feature that I actually don't like at all (WW tires), happens to be historically correct (and exceedingly rare), it rockets right up to the top of the COOL scale for me!

Different, rare, AND historically accurate? NICE!

When I win the Lottery and the Super Snake becomes mine, it shall retain it's made-of-unobtainium, only-NOS-set-on-the-planet, Goodyear Thunderbolt whitewall tires!

But that's just me . . . .

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Has this photo been doctored?  Looks like the L/R tire is off the ground, and there might be a wheel of a floor jack visible under the rearend. But there's no suspension droop...so optical illusion or??
Also, the tread of the L/R tire looks strange...like its been enhanced for contrast by the photo processor or something. 
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: JD on November 23, 2018, 01:44:52 PM
if the jack is one of the long versions for trucks it would reach to the diff and that would account for the rear suspension not dropping...
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Side-Oilers on November 23, 2018, 01:50:27 PM
Hell, CS would drive it at top speed with the rearend on a floorjack, big crack in the windshield, bowl of chili on the seat, whatever. 
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Richstang on November 23, 2018, 02:06:14 PM
I'd change it to the Magstars with small letter Goodyear's, as I'd expect it left the factory.
The white walls on the 10-spokes would make for a nice display along side, but I'm not a fan of them on the car.

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Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: JD on November 23, 2018, 02:37:36 PM
Hell, CS would drive it at top speed with the rearend on a floorjack, big crack in the windshield, bowl of chili on the seat, whatever. 

...that's funny and probably true.

Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Bob Gaines on November 23, 2018, 03:09:52 PM
I'd change it to the Magstars with small letter Goodyear's, as I'd expect it left the factory.
The white walls on the 10-spokes would make for a nice display along side, but I'm not a fan of them on the car.

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That is a big 10-4  :o .
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: shelbydoug on November 23, 2018, 03:41:13 PM
When I had my chance to buy the SuperSnake it was the whitewalls that blew the deal. Yuk!

shelbydoug,

I don't know you, so I don't know if you're being facetious or not, and I hear you about whitewalls.

But IMHPO, when a feature that I actually don't like at all (WW tires), happens to be historically correct (and exceedingly rare), it rockets right up to the top of the COOL scale for me!

Different, rare, AND historically accurate? NICE!

When I win the Lottery and the Super Snake becomes mine, it shall retain it's made-of-unobtainium, only-NOS-set-on-the-planet, Goodyear Thunderbolt whitewall tires!

But that's just me . . . .

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Cool is a relative term. Many have had issues in restoring a particular car with significant history.

I think the best advice that I heard was that you just need to pick a place in time to restore it to?

Every owner needs to make a choice. I doubt there are any 100% perfect solutions.

If you own it. Do what makes you happy. Life is too short.

"But it's all right now, I learned my lesson well.
You see, ya can't please everyone, so ya got to please yourself" - Rick Nelson, Garden Party

Right on.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: SFM66H on November 23, 2018, 04:11:43 PM
I've always made this personal observation of history in general:

You may not like it. You may not agree with it. But it happened.

Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: shelbydoug on November 23, 2018, 04:20:20 PM
if the jack is one of the long versions for trucks it would reach to the diff and that would account for the rear suspension not dropping...

How fast is that jack?
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: SFM66H on November 23, 2018, 06:57:16 PM
Not as fast as this 5th wheel, I would surmise:

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Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Side-Oilers on November 23, 2018, 08:12:10 PM
Not as fast as this 5th wheel, I would surmise:

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OK, seeing this angle, now that earlier pix makes sense.  Rearend on floor jack. Guys installing a fifth wheel.

Someone says "Hey Carroll, go stand by the car and pretend you're getting ready to drive it, for a photo. And who's got his black cowboy hat? Toss it on the hood."
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: 427heaven on November 23, 2018, 09:10:27 PM
It was all smoke and mirrors for PR sake. Ol Shel apparently did get in a couple of laps only around 80-90 mph according to my old geezer sources then got out and a hired gun drove it into the record books, except no one remembered his name because SHELBY was supposed to have been the guy doing it! Its still on my agenda to beat that record only with Medium Riser power not High Riser power. ;D
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: 67_1183 on November 23, 2018, 09:11:29 PM
Sorry, not a fan of the Thunderbolts installed on #544.

Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: propayne on November 23, 2018, 09:31:27 PM
Ok, I'm going to go out on a limb here and not go dig out and check my sources (too full of leftovers and lazy), but I thought I read in a interview where Fred Goodall said that he took some laps in the Supersnake after Shelby split.

- Phillip
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: SFM66H on November 23, 2018, 09:39:44 PM
OK, seeing this angle, now that earlier pix makes sense.  Rearend on floor jack. Guys installing a fifth wheel.

Someone says "Hey Carroll, go stand by the car and pretend you're getting ready to drive it, for a photo. And who's got his black cowboy hat? Toss it on the hood."

He did:

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Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: SFM66H on November 23, 2018, 09:47:11 PM
Ok, I'm going to go out on a limb here and not go dig out and check my sources (too full of leftovers and lazy), but I thought I read in a interview where Fred Goodall said that he took some laps in the Supersnake after Shelby split.

- Phillip

Phillip,

Fred was there that day, so I believe you to be correct.

(take some Alka-Seltzer...)

Kieth

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Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Bob Gaines on November 24, 2018, 03:44:11 PM
It was all smoke and mirrors for PR sake. Ol Shel apparently did get in a couple of laps only around 80-90 mph according to my old geezer sources then got out and a hired gun drove it into the record books, except no one remembered his name because SHELBY was supposed to have been the guy doing it! Its still on my agenda to beat that record only with Medium Riser power not High Riser power. ;D
The recording on the record that is inside the vintage 68 Shelby is that of Shelby in the Supersnake . What with the shift points called out by CS as he is driving on the recording he was going a lot faster then 80-90. That is assuming the recording wasn't faked . You should listen to it sometime and decide for yourself. I think the recording is on U tube .  https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Original-Rare-1968-Shelby-GT-500-AMT-model-w-Cobra-record-catalog-Mint/264040018148
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: 427heaven on November 24, 2018, 04:37:17 PM
I needed to check with some people that were around back then, that were in the know... and it was Goodell that drove the car into the record books. I know OL SHEL is or was our hero but like many things he did, he had the gift of gab and like a magician he had the slight of hand... you were looking left and he was going right. He didn't set the record in San Angelo Texas that day nor did he accidently find some long lost Cobra chassis in a pile like he said he did, but we know now what we didn't know many decades ago. Just adds to the mystique of the man.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: BGlover67 on November 24, 2018, 04:53:03 PM
It was all smoke and mirrors for PR sake. Ol Shel apparently did get in a couple of laps only around 80-90 mph according to my old geezer sources then got out and a hired gun drove it into the record books, except no one remembered his name because SHELBY was supposed to have been the guy doing it! Its still on my agenda to beat that record only with Medium Riser power not High Riser power. ;D
The recording on the record that is inside the vintage 68 Shelby is that of Shelby in the Supersnake . What with the shift points called out by CS as he is driving on the recording he was going a lot faster then 80-90. That is assuming the recording wasn't faked . You should listen to it sometime and decide for yourself. I think the recording is on U tube .  https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Original-Rare-1968-Shelby-GT-500-AMT-model-w-Cobra-record-catalog-Mint/264040018148

Just the record for sale:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMT-Presents-Carroll-Shelby-The-Sound-Of-Cobra-Mustang-Auravision-33-RPM-Record/142914351080?hash=item21465befe8:g:o1IAAOSwcWpbfsmE:rk:2:pf:1&frcectupt=true

I've seen cheaper even.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Richstang on November 24, 2018, 05:14:48 PM
I believe there's two separate tracks being discussed here. The record with CS recording his lap was at Riverside in a GT500, He states he was at 135mph and 7000 rpm. Is there another recording at Texas?

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=+carroll+shelby+lap+around+riverside&&view=detail&mid=87675605427DED1687C287675605427DED1687C2&&FORM=VRDGAR
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: SFM66H on November 24, 2018, 05:31:04 PM
Thanks for stepping in Rich. Yeah, we don’t want any misconceptions that the record in the model was recorded at the San Angelo test track in Texas during the Thunderbolt tire test. As you pointed out, it was definitely recorded at Riverside.

Kieth
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: 427heaven on November 24, 2018, 05:33:18 PM
We are talking about different things here. The SUPER SNAKE is the fastest SHELBY developed- it was a one off to see how fast a car they could build back then, so they needed a tire to match the speed of the car. This is  where they tested top end speed back then and needed a big track to do so. They used the GoodYear test track to test the best tire they had, and to get the best speed out of the car possible. There were no talking ,no audio recordings, just balls to the wall top end speed car testing. This is where things got a little into the gray area, Goodell drove it into the record books but the Snake Charmer got the credit, sometimes that's the way things workout. A little smoke and mirrors and great PR for SHELBY AMERICAN. Ever been in a room where one lies and everyone agrees to it, Im sure it was something like that. :-[
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: acman63 on November 24, 2018, 08:18:01 PM
Why do they still say this is a 1 of 1.  There were two lightweight 427 cars made,   the other was drag raced by one of Shelbys bankers -  Clinton  Luhmann.  He traded in the 66 Supercharged prototype green   6S051 for it. 
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Bob Gaines on November 24, 2018, 09:13:30 PM
Why do they still say this is a 1 of 1.  There were two lightweight 427 cars made,   the other was drag raced by one of Shelbys bankers -  Clinton  Luhmann.  He traded in the 66 Supercharged prototype green   6S051 for it.
Actually all three 67 427's had lightweight engines.The first one was a private owner who also had a 427 Cobra and wanted a GT500 with a 427. The second car was the Supersnake . The third car was the drag car. I can't help but wonder if the people at Mel Burns Ford got the idea for the Supersnake and the proposed 50 other cars by copying the private buyer's order.   
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: BGlover67 on November 25, 2018, 10:07:48 PM
During the teardown of the MCACN show, the one-of-one Shelby Super Snake rumbled (LOUDLY) by with its Le Mans spec GT40 MKII 427 race engine.
 
I tried to follow it into a cold adjoining warehouse but couldn't keep up. When I did find it, it had been left alone, parked behind a Reliable Carriers semi, with the windows down, key in the ignition, and no one around.
 
There it would sit until the truck driver jumped into it to load ‘er up.
 
Just sayin’ . . . . .


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That is an OMG moment.

Check this out:  http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=3859.msg33524#msg33524
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: SFM66H on November 27, 2018, 12:41:45 PM
Hey deathsled (Richard),

I've been wanting to mention to you, that during the hours-long breakdown of the MCACN show, I was hoofing it across the street from the convention center to the Hyatt, and I saw you in 843 idling by the curb.

I must say, that seeing and hearing a real 1966 GT350 on the dark streets of Chicago in late November is just not something a person is accustomed to encountering these days, and it left quite a lasting impression on me.

It was nice to meet another Forum guy in person, and your car looked great!

Kieth 

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Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 27, 2018, 01:12:34 PM
It nice to see 3 66 Shelby’s at the show and to have them all Hertz cars was even better and to have all different colors was the icing on the cake.
Maybe we talk Bob Ashton into having a Rent A Car Invitational one year,we could one each of the 66 Colors (Black/gold, Blue/gold, Red/gold, White/gold, and Green/gold) plus a couple of 68 and 69 Shelby’s, throw in some Hertz Cougars and we could have an easy 10-12 cars , heck maybe we could find a Hertz Corvette or two to fill in the gaps
With Keith’s car and Deathsled I felt like the plain girl at the dance
Awesome show, fantastic cars and incredible people
Put this one on the bucket list
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: gt350hr on November 27, 2018, 06:17:46 PM
   Steve ,
      How about the rarest Hertz color combination , White with blue stripes? It's a long drive but maybe I could transport mine to the show.
      Randy
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: SFM66H on November 27, 2018, 06:58:41 PM
A couple years ago, I worked with Brian Poe (6S1890 Hertz) to create this banner. We wanted to illustrate the five different colors of Hertz cars, and I really wanted the original PR photograph included on it as well, to illustrate the history of the program. Brian's car is the beautiful black one on the upper right.

Ironically, my white car is the most incorrect one of all, as only one prototype (or two?) were equipped with 10-spokes in the original PR photos.

Randy - we may have to redo this now to include the White/Blue striped Hertz cars!

But it's a nice way to make a visual comparison of all the different car colors available with the Hertz gold livery in 1966.

Kieth

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Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 27, 2018, 07:25:28 PM
Now that is a cool poster, are they selling them anywhere?
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: acman63 on November 27, 2018, 07:54:52 PM
Steve;  you are no so famous now.  as well as the guy taking the picture


This was in a local Chicago Newspaper and a non shelby friend of mine sent it to me
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 27, 2018, 08:02:07 PM
Wife set it up, plus she helped clean the car
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Shelby_r_b on November 27, 2018, 10:25:11 PM
Steve;  you are no so famous now.  as well as the guy taking the picture

I LOVE the pictures of Kieth in the background taking a shot of his trophy on the hood of 6S1615.

Priceless  8)
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: SFM66H on November 27, 2018, 11:34:04 PM

I LOVE the pictures of Kieth in the background taking a shot of his trophy on the hood of 6S1615.

Priceless  8)

Well, I actually feel kind of wierd about it now. I certainly had no idea that it would be witnessed by anyone. My show partner Boss 302 Kevin didn’t even know I did that, and told me later that he wished I would have told him about the idea.

It occurred to me only while walking back from the awards ceremony that it would be the only opportunity I would EVER have to take a photo like that at the very place where it happened.

It was going to be a discreet moment, or so I thought.

Embarrassing...
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 27, 2018, 11:44:45 PM
Not embarrassing when a car looks as nice as yours
Thanks for all the little tips about making mine “more correct” , the level of detail on your car is astonishing
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: BGlover67 on November 27, 2018, 11:59:58 PM

I LOVE the pictures of Kieth in the background taking a shot of his trophy on the hood of 6S1615.

Priceless  8)

Well, I actually feel kind of wierd about it now. I certainly had no idea that it would be witnessed by anyone. My show partner Boss 302 Kevin didn’t even know I did that, and told me later that he wished I would have told him about the idea.

It occurred to me only while walking back from the awards ceremony that it would be the only opportunity I would EVER have to take a photo like that at the very place where it happened.

It was going to be a discreet moment, or so I thought.

Embarrassing...

Nothing to be embarrassed about Kieth.  Hands down one of the coolest pics.  Love the way the crystal in the award picks up the colors from your car.  :D
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: SFM66H on November 28, 2018, 12:12:29 AM
Hah! Thanks Brian. The only thing I had to set that heavy crystal on was a piece of sheet foam that I had in the trunk to protect the trunk mat from a plastic box of paperwork in there.

Peg said the exact same thing about the colors when she first saw the photo. Again, completely by accident.
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: SFM66H on November 28, 2018, 12:21:11 AM
Not embarrassing when a car looks as nice as yours
Thanks for all the little tips about making mine “more correct” , the level of detail on your car is astonishing

Thanks Steve, you are too kind.

Did your wife tell you about how I commandeered the dust mop away from the maintenance woman and painstakingly removed “your” pile of dirt from behind the beam?

Steve kidded around all weekend about that being “his dirt” but I knew better. His car shined brilliantly. I saw him wax it at LEAST four times myself!
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 28, 2018, 07:04:24 AM
Keith, that really was my dirt, we cleaned about two dustpans full of dirt out of the wheel wells and the tires and wheels. As for waxing it, I usual do it at a show a couple of times. Wife will point out all the places I miss. She does the windows and interior and places on the outside she thinks needs more.
The MCACN Show is so great not only because of the shear number of cool cars but the stories behind each one. Where else could you walk by 7 L88 Corvettes in a row, perfect Hurst Olds, and even supercharged Studebakers and not stop to look at each one
Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: JD on January 29, 2019, 10:59:56 AM
Hemmings Muscle Machines page 36 of the March 2019 issue has Kieth's and Kevin Jones' cars.

Congrat's guys...

Title: Re: MCACN 2018
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on January 29, 2019, 03:16:48 PM
Hemmings Muscle Machines page 36 of the March 2019 issue has Kieth's and Kevin Jones' cars.

Congrat's guys...
Both of those cars were incredible with the amount of details, learned a lot by listening to them and having them point out various things. My proudest moment of the show was when the concours judges looked at something in the trunk on my car to verify it on Keith’s Car. Not sure what it was but I heard one say “it’s correct” . I was honored to be next to two great examples