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Title: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: sfm5 on December 26, 2018, 05:11:05 PM
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az19/arizona/lots/r0111-1965-shelby-gt350/733080


1965 Shelby GT350

$325,000 - $425,000

RM | Sotheby's - ARIZONA 2019  - Offered on: Thursday, January 17, 2019

Chassis No.

SFM 5S363

Multiple award-winning restoration
Presented in classic Ford Wimbledon White with Guardsman Blue stripes
Highly desirable and iconic American performance car

One of the most enduring and coveted performance cars of the 1960s is the Shelby GT350. This 1965 example, chassis SFM 5S363, was brought to concours-level standards with over 1,300 hours of restoration work spent on it. A full rotisserie restoration was performed by noted Mustang and Shelby expert Paul's Engineering of Ohio and the engine, transmission, brake, rear-end assembly, and suspension components were meticulously rebuilt to show standards.

After emerging from restoration, the GT350 was exhibited at four judged shows and achieved podium results every time. At the Regional Indiana Shelby meet it received Judge's Choice, then captured the Silver Award at the 1996 SAAC National meet at Lime Rock, followed by consecutive Gold Awards in 1997 and 1998 at the Oklahoma National Mustang Grand National show and the Michigan National SAAC meet. Following its brief and illustrious show career, the GT350 was retired from competition and carefully stored in a heated garage.

Finished in classic Wimbledon White, this Shelby's exterior features traditional Guardsman Blue stripes, Cragar five-spoke wheels, and a matching spare wheel with a Goodyear Blue Dot spare tire, as well as a correct driver's side mirror. Interior features include a 15-in. wood-rimmed steering wheel, rare and original Ray Brown Automotive 3-in. lap belts, radio delete, the original dash panel, portions of the original seat covers, and correct carpeting. The highly detailed restoration extends to the undercarriage, with factory-correct details including red oxide primer, white overspray, and factory-style chalk markings.

Beneath the fiberglass Shelby hood with steel supports, the 306-hp 289 shifts through a Borg-Warner T10 four-speed transmission with an aluminum case and is equipped with such correct Shelby performance equipment as "Tri-Y" headers and a proper 1965-dated 715-cfm Holley carburetor. Other items include a factory-correct Shelby air cleaner, Shelby hollow-letter finned aluminum valve covers, a high-capacity Shelby finned aluminum oil pan, a large-diameter alternator pulley, an export brace, a Monte Carlo bar, and a trunk-mounted battery as well as a 9-in. Ford rear end with a Detroit Locker unit.

This beautifully restored and since well-preserved Shelby GT350 presents an opportunity to acquire a superb example of classic American power and pose.
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: Mikelj5S230 on December 26, 2018, 06:00:51 PM
Wow, now that is like jewelry.......beautiful!
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: TJinSA on December 26, 2018, 06:27:52 PM
NAS CAR!  Interesting place for the locker info sticker... or what is that next to the VIN plate? I thought that was in the glove box? I'm looking to just educate myself by asking...
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Post by: 6s1802 on December 26, 2018, 06:47:20 PM
Ya think for 1.5 mil or close to that, they could spring for the right wingnut for the air cleaner.
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Post by: 1967 eight barrel on December 26, 2018, 06:52:47 PM
TJ, mine was on the decklid on my '67. I also found that interesting the Detroit Locker sticker was in the engine compartment.
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: Sfm6sxxx on December 26, 2018, 07:08:50 PM
It was a VERY  original car With a crappy vacuum cleaner paint job when I owned it.   There isn't a day that goes by that I don't regret selling it.   It had been  sitting from roughly 72 until 91 or so. The engine had great compression so just I pulled the motor and put all new gaskets in it and went through the brakes.  It ran like a scalded dog.  It did pretty well in judging considering it doesn't have the original shelby tag. 
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Post by: NC TRACKRAT on December 26, 2018, 07:55:34 PM
If they'd have looked under the hood, you'd think someone would've caught the reference to the trunk-mounted battery. 
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: Dkutz on December 26, 2018, 07:58:54 PM
Why is the ass so high?
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: Sfm6sxxx on December 26, 2018, 08:09:21 PM
Mr Simms holds the record for the shortest ownership of this car.
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: TJinSA on December 26, 2018, 08:41:26 PM
Quote from: Dkutz on December 26, 2018, 07:58:54 PM
Why is the ass so high?

It's in heat...
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: Shelby_r_b on December 26, 2018, 09:30:57 PM
Quote from: TJinSA on December 26, 2018, 08:41:26 PM
Quote from: Dkutz on December 26, 2018, 07:58:54 PM
Why is the ass so high?

It's in heat...

LOL!!!! Now THAT'S funny!!  ;D
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: NC TRACKRAT on December 26, 2018, 09:33:25 PM
Quote from: Sfm6sxxx on December 26, 2018, 08:09:21 PM
Mr Simms holds the record for the shortest ownership of this car.

Is this THAT car?  Surely, it can't be! If so, it must still smell like rat pee!
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: Sfm6sxxx on December 26, 2018, 09:38:05 PM
Yes, Sir it is.  but I don't remember it smelling bad, well no more than the avg car.   
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: NC TRACKRAT on December 26, 2018, 09:43:26 PM
Wow!  I'm having a flash-back in time!  Just goes to show what can be done with time, talent and money!  Wish I'd taken pictures.
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: CharlesTurner on December 26, 2018, 10:12:42 PM
Is there a story behind the hood latch setup?

Judging standards sure have changed over 20 years.
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: Sfm6sxxx on December 26, 2018, 11:36:35 PM
Charles, I do not recall it being that way.  It also now has a 66 drivers fender (threre was nothing wrong with the original).   Ironically, the car was an urban legend in the Buffalo area for many years. It was sold new through Frontier Ford in Niagara Falls.   The guy that finally found it was across the street emptying a septic tank in the country when he saw the tail end in the garage.  IIRC correctly, it took a while for him to pry it out of the hands of the squirrelly   owner.  By the time I found out it was for sale, it sold to Chris L in CT.  Time had taken its toll but it still had   all five of the original blue dots.  Unfortunately, Chris sold those before I bought it.  I ended up picking it up in Lime Rock and dragging it back to Buffalo maybe three weeks after it was dragged to CT.  Interestingly, I live just a few miles from where the car was hiding for all those  years.  I contacted the long time owner to see if he had the tag.  He said he thought he had it somewhere.  I told him  I would give him $1k  if we could find it.   I took the car over there and let him drive it.  We went back to his house and looked everywhere.   To say this guy was a living Norman Bates/Ed Gein would be an understatement.  In addition, he had about 50 cats that ran rampant in the house and garage.  Needless to say, we did not find it.  I am guessing that the urine smell Stan recalls was probably cat and rat.   
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: 2112 on December 27, 2018, 12:24:36 AM
Quote from: Shelby_0022 on December 26, 2018, 09:30:57 PM
Quote from: TJinSA on December 26, 2018, 08:41:26 PM
Quote from: Dkutz on December 26, 2018, 07:58:54 PM
Why is the ass so high?

It's in heat...

LOL!!!! Now THAT'S funny!!  ;D

+1 😆
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: Greg on December 27, 2018, 08:04:40 AM
Who did the restoration?
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Post by: Bigfoot on December 27, 2018, 08:18:43 AM
SFM6s
Funny story
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: sfm5 on December 27, 2018, 10:21:17 AM
Quote from: Sfm6sxxx on December 26, 2018, 11:36:35 PM
Charles, I do not recall it being that way.  It also now has a 66 drivers fender (threre was nothing wrong with the original).   Ironically, the car was an urban legend in the Buffalo area for many years. It was sold new through Frontier Ford in Niagara Falls.   The guy that finally found it was across the street emptying a septic tank in the country when he saw the tail end in the garage.  IIRC correctly, it took a while for him to pry it out of the hands of the squirrelly   owner.  By the time I found out it was for sale, it sold to Chris L in CT.  Time had taken its toll but it still had   all five of the original blue dots.  Unfortunately, Chris sold those before I bought it.  I ended up picking it up in Lime Rock and dragging it back to Buffalo maybe three weeks after it was dragged to CT.  Interestingly, I live just a few miles from where the car was hiding for all those  years.  I contacted the long time owner to see if he had the tag.  He said he thought he had it somewhere.  I told him  I would give him $1k  if we could find it.   I took the car over there and let him drive it.  We went back to his house and looked everywhere.   To say this guy was a living Norman Bates/Ed Gein would be an understatement.  In addition, he had about 50 cats that ran rampant in the house and garage.  Needless to say, we did not find it.  I am guessing that the urine smell Stan recalls was probably cat and rat.

The stories that go along with these cars, particularly the 65's, never cease to amuse me...the O/O's must have been a special breed. 
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: Sfm6sxxx on December 27, 2018, 10:24:22 AM
Quote from: Greg on December 27, 2018, 08:04:40 AM
Who did the restoration?
The person I sold the car to had Paul's Classics in Ohio do it.  My friend saw the car at one of the SAAC conventions and was disappointed because there were more reproduction parts on it than needed to be.  When I got the car, it had every Shelby specific part, clip and tag etc... and I made sure everything went with the car.   The only thing it was missing was the orig carb, someone had converted the dash to a 65 GT style, and it had a Hipo rear exiting exhaust like the 66's with a 69 date code on it.   I picked up a correct carb, converted the dash back, and put a side exhaust back on.   Not too long ago, the previous owner sold some of the original parts on Ebay (bungee cord, engine tag, etc.). and my aforementioned friend bought a lot of them.
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: NC TRACKRAT on December 27, 2018, 11:18:44 AM
I feel obliged to explain my short "ownership" of about 36 hours.  After a non-stop trip with trailer and faced with a return trip of the same duration in the dead of Winter, I failed to notice/and/or it was not clearly expressed that the VIN plate was missing.  Got the car home only to discover it wasn't there.  One phone call and back on the trailer it went.  12 hours later, the car was back from whence it came.  In retrospect, it all worked out.  We acquired 5S071 shortly thereafter.  It will be interesting to see what the car brings with the re-pop plate.  IMHO, it's somewhat more important than a car having its original block.

Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: Sfm6sxxx on December 27, 2018, 12:54:51 PM
It had a Roger Hodayka (not sure on spelling) plate on it.  Your wife had a broken arm, so you had somebody (Swedish?) come pick it up.  I kept (still have)the repop plate so that the new buyer could not say I sold it to him as the original tag.

I bet there are a bunch of cars out there where the owner doesn't know they have a non original tag because they are now weathered.  The "old" guard like Randy, Jeff Burgy, or Jim C. can elaborate, but I thought Hodayka said he got the leftover blank tags from SA and made people send him their tag and he would send back the restamped one. 
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: Bigfoot on December 27, 2018, 03:30:02 PM
I think I'll try to tone myself down next year......
But we are still in 2018.

There is no way an original Shelby tag is more important than an original block.
There is no way it is "as" important.
And for the record it (either item) doesn't matter to me.
When I buy a car it's all about the integrity of the body, body VINs, and how much/many  of all the other respective important parts and pieces are genie.
No offense to anyway.
Just my 2c
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: NC TRACKRAT on December 27, 2018, 04:18:45 PM
    Bigfoot, no offense taken.  Different strokes, etc.  A VIN tag is a legal item that, if stolen or misplaced, can show up on someone else's vehicle.  The Registrars know of what I speak.
   SFM6S, there was no VIN tag on 5S363 when we picked it up and brought it back.  No one else was involved. My step-son was with me for both trips, all in a 36 hour period.  Neither of us is Swedish. 
 
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: Sfm6sxxx on December 27, 2018, 04:52:41 PM
Quote from: NC TRACKRAT on December 27, 2018, 04:18:45 PM
    Bigfoot, no offense taken.  Different strokes, etc.  A VIN tag is a legal item that, if stolen or misplaced, can show up on someone else's vehicle.  The Registrars know of what I speak.
   SFM6S, there was no VIN tag on 5S363 when we picked it up and brought it back.  No one else was involved. My step-son was with me for both trips, all in a 36 hour period.  Neither of us is Swedish. 

Stan,
One of us is thinking of another car.  I am out of town, but when I get home, I will dig out the paperwork just to make sure I am not suffering from a Senior moment.  I distinctly remembering that you couldn't come because your wife's arm was broken.  Which I thought was very gentlemanly.  I am sure I have the shipping documents from the guy that picked it up.  Maybe he just liked Swedish Fish.
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: NC TRACKRAT on December 27, 2018, 05:42:04 PM
You may be thinking of our 6S1467 which is red/no stripes, purchased from Roger Werner.  All original block, VIN tag, etc.  It was picked up and delivered from CT to NC by a guy who was Scandinavian.  (When he unloaded it, there, in the trailer with our car was an original Porsche 550 Spyder in race livery.  I tried to trade, to no avail!)
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: Bigfoot on December 27, 2018, 06:35:50 PM
Can show up on another car. I get that...
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: Sfm6sxxx on January 06, 2019, 01:00:38 AM
Quote from: TJinSA on December 26, 2018, 06:27:52 PM
NAS CAR!  Interesting place for the locker info sticker... or what is that next to the VIN plate? I thought that was in the glove box? I'm looking to just educate myself by asking...
I dug out a bunch of my old pictures.  I forgot that it had a sticker on the rear bumper to get into the Niagara Falls Air Force Base.  I would have liked to have kept that for local nostalgia.  The AFB is a strong deterrent to possible attacks from Canada.  However, any attacks would probably be launched by their Navy (a beaver in a row boat)

In any event, TJ you are correct, the DL sticker was in the glove box.  Also, as Charles noted, the hood latch must have been changed after I owned it.  In fact, when I bought it, it had one of the old school Master locks going through a hood pin. 

The floors of the car were rock solid because the second owner had the foresight to take out the rugs/jute and paint the inside of the floors with Rustoleum Primer.  I am stumped on the reason for the 66 style driver's side fender.  The only area that needed to be addressed was the driver's side rear qtr which had been hit between the door jamb and into the wheelhouse.  When it was repaired, they sectioned in a portion of an nos qtr. which could be seen from the trunk.  When I sold it, I included an NOS FB qtr that I had bought in order to repair it properly.
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Post by: camp upshur on January 07, 2019, 12:27:24 AM
A potential buyer of this car would be well served to give close analysis to the structural spot welds associated with the front clip and the date codes of the component panels comprising the front clip and core support. At best, the hood latch mechanism (?) and LH fender replacement indicate the car has been disassembled/'worked on'/ or 'fixed' by someone without 1965 GT-350 acumen for unstated reasons. Collisions and expedient repair usually account for such unexplained mismatches.
This is not at all uncommon for 50+ year old high performance cars. Usually though, in cars of this value range, the repairs are expertly performed.......and seldomly disclosed.
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: Sfm6sxxx on January 07, 2019, 11:28:25 AM
Camp,
I doubt there is/was any issue with the front clip or any part thereof.  Right after I sold it, the buyer disassembled it and sent it to Paul's Classics in Ohio for the resto.  Obviously, I can't say for certain what happened after I sold it or what the reason was for replacing the fender.  It is purely conjecture, but my guess is that it was easier to replace the fender with an NOS fender rather than have to straighten any deformities/dents in the original.  I don't recall any issues and I can't see any in the pictures.  Bear in mind that the black NOS fenders and Driver's side Fastback rear qtrs were still available from Ford (and pretty inexpensive).   I can say without equivocation that all three VINs were on the aprons and they were never monkeyed with.  The reason the Shelby tag was missing was simply because the knuckleheaded second owner removed it and lost it.
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: sfm5 on January 17, 2019, 01:44:33 PM
This one crosses the block later today...
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: Sfm6sxxx on January 17, 2019, 02:46:11 PM
I believe I figured out the issue with the front fender(s) based on the registry info.  Apparently, the first owner had the dealer replace the front springs and roll the front fender lips.    I am guessing it was easier/cheaper for the restorer to replace the fender(s) than undo what was done. 
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Post by: mygt350 on January 17, 2019, 07:19:03 PM
Are the Crager 5-spoke center caps supposed to be painted white or natural in color?
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Post by: Bigfoot on January 17, 2019, 08:33:19 PM
White
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Post by: mygt350 on January 17, 2019, 09:15:46 PM
Thought so. Appears the ones on this car are not quite right...
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Post by: davez on January 17, 2019, 10:24:31 PM
Just sold for 320k plus fees
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Post by: camp upshur on January 17, 2019, 10:32:09 PM

ouch

Went for over 340k years ago at BJ.
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: Sfm6sxxx on January 17, 2019, 10:32:42 PM
Quote from: camp upshur on January 17, 2019, 10:32:09 PM

ouch

Went for over 340k years ago at BJ.

2006
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: sfm5 on January 18, 2019, 08:11:48 AM
Quote from: davez on January 17, 2019, 10:24:31 PM
Just sold for 320k plus fees

$357K inc. fees.
Title: Re: 5s363 at RM Sothebys
Post by: terlingua11 on January 18, 2019, 11:13:23 AM
Where did the bidding go on CSX2195 last night. I see it's in the "still for sale" portion of the Website.