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Title: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: JWH on January 16, 2019, 11:28:47 AM
First, thank you SAAC and the REGISTRARS for the invaluable role you play protecting the gene pool of original Shelby cars. There are maybe 50 reproduction Cobras, Daytona Coupes and GT40s on offer from Superformance and Factory Five ready to drive home today. In addition, there are numerous "tributes" to Shelby Mustangs ready to go through the auction. Without SAAC and the Registrars, the gene pool of Shelbys would be a mosh pit.

Second, Craig Jackson and Jason Billups gave an hour long talk on Tuesday about both the Green Hornet and Little Red. Jason's shop is in NE Oklahoma and they restored the Green Hornet and are now working on Little Red. If you have read up on the Green Hornet and finding Little Red on the SAAC Forum and elsewhere, really nothing new was revealed yesterday other than we can look for a documentary on the restoration of the Green Hornet in April or May of this year. Jason said that the son of the man who installed the Conelec system came and set up the Conelec on the Green Hornet. If I recall correctly, the son was present and helped his father with the original install and to see the car roll again after many years was a moving experience. The Green Hornet was on prominent display in the "Craig's Cars" area just outside the auction tent.
       Jason is a very nice guy, very approachable and I asked him after the talk if they had decided yet which iteration of Little Red they would chose for the restoration. He said that had not been decided yet but said Craig Jackson told him he wanted the coolest looking version but also the fastest version. I am throwing out my personal guess that it may be the 1967 look with inboards combined with the super-charged engine???
Jeff

Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Coralsnake on January 16, 2019, 02:48:58 PM
I have spoken to both Jason and Craig, I would put my money on the 1967 version with at least one supercharger.

 ;D

Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on January 16, 2019, 08:45:59 PM
I have spoken to both Jason and Craig, I would put my money on the 1967 version with at least one supercharger.

 ;D
So Pete, with all your expertise in many things Shelby, do you think that is a faithful, historical restoration?

QSS
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Coralsnake on January 16, 2019, 09:20:01 PM
You are speaking of the Green Hornet?

Full disclosure, I was involved and assisted in the EFI installation.

Based on the current and most recent research, it is correct as it can be.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Richstang on January 16, 2019, 10:08:54 PM
I thought QSS meant "Little Red" as he quoted you on.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: 6s1640 on January 17, 2019, 12:31:15 AM
Tonight I saw a 2007 GT500 with 113 miles sell for $41K + fees = $45K.  This is a 12 year old brand new car.  Do you suppose the selling owner is crying?  I expect they lost money (assuming they are the original purchaser).  Heck of a deal for the buyer.  IIRC, when these early late model brand new GT500's were sold new, they came with a hefty dealer markup.   Was it $60 to $70 for one of these cars back then?  Crazy.  Drive'm and enjoy them.

Cory
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: CharlesTurner on January 17, 2019, 12:41:54 AM
Tonight I saw a 2007 GT500 with 113 miles sell for $41K + fees = $45K.  This is a 12 year old brand new car.  Do you suppose the selling owner is crying?  I expect they lost money (assuming they are the original purchaser).  Heck of a deal for the buyer.  IIRC, when these early late model brand new GT500's were sold new, they came with a hefty dealer markup.   Was it $60 to $70 for one of these cars back then?  Crazy.  Drive'm and enjoy them.

Probably needed to hold onto it longer.  I'm sure the seller, if the original owner, took a big loss... not even factoring in inflation.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Coralsnake on January 17, 2019, 07:36:55 AM
Little Red... the car had several variations. Craig has collected some insane, unseen photos. He has also interviewed one of the guys that built the car at SA
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: 427heaven on January 17, 2019, 09:22:18 AM
As a test mule, these cars could have had anything done to them. Paxtons, webbers, tunnel ports, trick suspensions, you name it, these are the things most of us dream of and are what really becomes day two stuff. Would I kick these cars to the curb because it was not assembly line correct, OH MY- most definitely not... Craig and the BJ gang love true performance cars as do many of us. Cant wait to here what he is doing to it. :D
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on January 17, 2019, 09:35:25 AM
I thought QSS meant "Little Red" as he quoted you on.
Yes I was talking about "little Red".  I realize that Pete was involved in the Green Hornet restoration so I had full confidence that car was restored faithfully to what is deemed "historically correct".

QSS
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: shelbydoug on January 17, 2019, 09:44:04 AM
I thought QSS meant "Little Red" as he quoted you on.
Yes I was talking about "little Red".  I realize that Pete was involved in the Green Hornet restoration so I had full confidence that car was restored faithfully to what is deemed "historically correct".

QSS

On cars like this since it had several variations you need to pick a point in time to restore it to.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Coralsnake on January 17, 2019, 09:53:03 AM
I can here the crying now...if Craig said he was going to restore it to be the 1968  version of the car
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: shelbydoug on January 17, 2019, 10:25:08 AM
I can here the crying now...if Craig said he was going to restore it to be the 1968  version of the car

I think that the issue is it is better known in 67 garb?
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: CharlesTurner on January 17, 2019, 10:33:53 AM
With any prototype/engineering car, when it comes to restoration, it's the owner's choice as to what point in time to put it back as.  This can be tricky as there may have been future mods that may have required such things as additional holes or modification of the body/parts.

Without choosing a point in time for the restoration, it just gets confusing and hard to explain.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: KerryBWhite on January 17, 2019, 11:33:18 AM
Craig has collected some insane, unseen photos. He has also interviewed one of the guys that built the car at SA

Will any of the these photos be posted on the Little Red website, along with the interview anytime in the near future?
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Coralsnake on January 17, 2019, 12:12:34 PM
I do not know. I do Craig is planning a documentary. I dont think thats a secret.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: owenkelley on January 17, 2019, 02:29:44 PM
Tonight I saw a 2007 GT500 with 113 miles sell for $41K + fees = $45K.  This is a 12 year old brand new car.  Do you suppose the selling owner is crying?  I expect they lost money (assuming they are the original purchaser).  Heck of a deal for the buyer.  IIRC, when these early late model brand new GT500's were sold new, they came with a hefty dealer markup.   Was it $60 to $70 for one of these cars back then?  Crazy.  Drive'm and enjoy them.

Cory

I paid just under $50,000 for my '07 when I bought it, $5000 over MSRP. In the Northwest it seemed like most dealers were charging around $10,000 over so I felt mine was a decent buy at the time. I wanted a car to buy new and never part with. It now has over 50,000 miles on it and is probably worth less than half of what I paid for it, but I'm okay with that. I knew it was going to depreciate, and I never plan on selling it so it doesn't matter. Personally when people were buying these cars thinking they were investments I thought they were nuts. I would have recommended going out and buying a '68 or '69 GT350 or a classic car of some type that wouldn't have been too much more at the time and already had a history of appreciation. At least then they could have driven it and enjoyed it a bit rather than leaving it in the garage and staring at it while it depreciated........
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Don Johnston on January 17, 2019, 04:52:30 PM
2007 GT500 is not a rare Mustang nor part of a rare series of Shelby named cars.  Still an amazing value for a 500 HP or more car and fun to drive, but not a collector car with tens of thouse=ands prduced over the 2007-14 series.  Save the new car plastic wrap for the garage floor and drive it for fun. 8)
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on January 17, 2019, 09:03:11 PM
I can here the crying now...if Craig said he was going to restore it to be the 1968  version of the car
No crying from me.  I just value your opinion.  I would rather hear from you on how it should be restored rather than from Craig Jackson.  He's a "used car salesman" through and though.  Yes he has a passion for Shelby's but he would tell you anything to pump up the value of what is in his possession.

I would rather hear the opinion/truth from an enthusiast first and a salesman second. The enthusiast, who happens to have an excess of knowledge, will tell you as it is.   The salesman will just sugar coat it.

QSS
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: JWH on January 18, 2019, 12:02:46 AM
Kerry - based on the Craig Jackson's demeanor at the Green Hornet/Little Red symposium on Tuesday, I would bet no new pictures or information will be released. It was clear Craig wants to gin up interest in the documentary to make some $$$. I don't fault him for wanting to cash in on these cars, but I do hope that anyone and everyone who has a picture or a story or a part that belongs to the Green Hornet or Little Red SELLS it to Craig for top dollar as he is going to turn around and use it for his own profit.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Coralsnake on January 18, 2019, 07:30:17 AM
ddi I see a $ 71,000 Mustang fastback?
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: shelbydoug on January 18, 2019, 08:26:56 AM
I can here the crying now...if Craig said he was going to restore it to be the 1968  version of the car
No crying from me.  I just value your opinion.  I would rather hear from you on how it should be restored rather than from Craig Jackson.  He's a "used car salesman" through and though.  Yes he has a passion for Shelby's but he would tell you anything to pump up the value of what is in his possession.

I would rather hear the opinion/truth from an enthusiast first and a salesman second. The enthusiast, who happens to have an excess of knowledge, will tell you as it is.   The salesman will just sugar coat it.

QSS

To say that it should be restored to the final version, using how it was found as that criteria doesn't solve the problem definitively either.

Take for example how the Green Hornet was found. It had been stripped of things like the Conelec and the IRS. Is that the final version? Not really but there needs to be a Referee on clarification and we are presuming that in fact we know the last configuration the car was in while "the factory" still had it. IMO it isn't necessarily completely black and white.

I think that is just part of deciding to what KNOWN period the car can be restored to.


There are other non-"Shelby Mustang" cars as of recent this applies to. The 289 Cobra that Steve Juliano restored, Shelby's CSX 3015, the GT40 "Roadster" that started as a coupe, that they just cut the roof off of. So it isn't as black and white as it seems. Someone in authority needs to make a judgement on that.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on January 18, 2019, 09:37:17 AM
Someone in authority needs to make a judgement on that.
That's pretty much what I was driving at.  I figured Pete might be one person who could make that judgement without being swayed by the almighty dollar.

QSS
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Coralsnake on January 18, 2019, 11:02:56 AM
Personally, I think the 1967 version is the most historic.

I do like it as a red 1968 coupe though  :D
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: sfm5 on January 18, 2019, 12:25:20 PM
ddi I see a $ 71,000 Mustang fastback?

Yes, here's the link.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1966-FORD-MUSTANG-GT-K-CODE-FASTBACK-226226
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: shelbydoug on January 18, 2019, 12:35:21 PM
Someone in authority needs to make a judgement on that.
That's pretty much what I was driving at.  I figured Pete might be one person who could make that judgement without being swayed by the almighty dollar.

QSS

The person laying out the money is the authority. How wisely that is done will ultimately be judged by how well the new buyer loves it.

"How well you love Tinman, is judged by how well others love you."  ;)
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: 2112 on January 18, 2019, 01:59:33 PM
ddi I see a $ 71,000 Mustang fastback?

Yes, here's the link.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1966-FORD-MUSTANG-GT-K-CODE-FASTBACK-226226

Beautiful car
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: JD on January 18, 2019, 02:24:13 PM
Personally, I think the 1967 version is the most historic.

I do like it as a red 1968 coupe though  :D

^^^ yes
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Richstang on January 18, 2019, 03:04:33 PM
As much as I personally would prefer to see it built in the original configuration;
(Magstars, inboard slanted grille, body color painted taillight panel, and quite likely NO vinyl roof as it was delivered from San Jose)

I suspect it will be restored to the second version as we all have seen in the early LLTC B&W photos dated 7/7/67.

Most of us will just have to wait until the Nov (MCACN?), assuming it gets completed by then.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: 6s2020 on January 18, 2019, 03:29:58 PM
ddi I see a $ 71,000 Mustang fastback?

Yes, here's the link.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1966-FORD-MUSTANG-GT-K-CODE-FASTBACK-226226


Looks like the day 2,3 and 4... mods did not stop this Shelby wannabe from getting top dollar.
MCA trailered Gold 2009, must be before the mods?? :o

Darryll

Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: NC TRACKRAT on January 18, 2019, 04:32:31 PM
We watched the 500 mile '93 Cobra R with interest. Hammered for $120K + buyer's premium.  My wife and I bought two of them when they first came out, watched the prices run up decided to sell rather than stuff them away.  My big regret was passing on an opportunity to purchase STEEDA's '93 R Model test mule.  Oh, well...hindsight's clearer than foresight.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Coralsnake on January 18, 2019, 08:49:58 PM
Random thought: the Corvette auction is going along just fine  ;D

I see they havent broken the long standing tradition of breaking for commercials during the best Ford cars!
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: 2112 on January 18, 2019, 09:41:24 PM

I see they havent broken the long standing tradition of breaking for commercials during the best Ford cars!

They know where the highest viewing will occur.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: JD on January 18, 2019, 10:11:49 PM
Random thought: the Corvette auction is going along just fine  ;D

I see they havent broken the long standing tradition of breaking for commercials during the best Ford cars!

Really - very annoying!
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: propayne on January 18, 2019, 10:13:28 PM
An Eliminator restored by a member of my Cougar club went for 100K - during a commercial of course....

- Phillip
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: NC TRACKRAT on January 18, 2019, 10:14:38 PM
Anybody shed some light on why neither the AL-bodied Cobra nor the CSX4XXX couldn't get to $100K? The '68 GT500 Conv. did and the Series 1 just brought $130K.  ???
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: propayne on January 18, 2019, 10:50:43 PM
'69 Mustang GT Cobra Jet 'vert for 100k also.

- Phillip
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: FL SAAC on January 18, 2019, 11:58:10 PM
sammy hagars 67 gt500 just sold for $100k

in 2006 sammy sold it at bj for $250k...
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Don Johnston on January 19, 2019, 02:34:43 AM
In 2006, was a charity involved with the sale?  That usually send numbers way up beyond expectations.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: gjz30075 on January 19, 2019, 05:38:06 AM
I think at that time, Sammy was giving away a bunch of swag with the car.    This time, Sammy's ownership is in the distant past.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Hockeylife on January 19, 2019, 10:51:02 AM
Russo and Steele GT500 #2992 sold for $60,000.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Bill Collins on January 19, 2019, 11:58:51 AM
Russo and Steele GT500 #2992 sold for $60,000.

I am in Scottsdale and looked at  it. Automatic, mediocre restoration, replacement block engine, repro VIN tag. Still weak money in my opinion. A good example of my observation that only examples without issues are going to command big money, as high end buyers typically shun such cars.

I also noted that the inventory at R&S has fewer high quality original spec cars of all kinds like we saw there in years past. This was the only genuine Shelby in their sale. Plus there is lots of modified stuff. This is being reflected in the prices.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: JWH on January 19, 2019, 12:20:11 PM
Ouch, the owner of Hagar's car is $150,000 in the red. That's what I call a Red Rocker of a trade. 
       This car was behind ropes so hard to get a look at it, but from the picture board, if i recall correctly, there was not much original Shelby left on this Shelby. It had been modded out extensively with total replacement of the drive-line and a color change from blue to red for starters. Just my opinion, but even at $100,000, I would consider this car "well sold."
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on January 19, 2019, 12:21:23 PM
Tonight I saw a 2007 GT500 with 113 miles sell for $41K + fees = $45K.  This is a 12 year old brand new car.
Brand new car says it all. No race history for the breed, really not a CS car it was fully developed by SVT and had CS added to gin up sales, lots of them available (in reality compared to 60s cars), will need $100s in work to become a driver, those collectors who want a low mile statue in their collection already have one.
130 for the Series 1 did surprise me. They were never street legal as the DOT crash and emissions work was never completed. I suspect the announcement of a Series 1 kit car a few months ago brought this one up.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: JWH on January 19, 2019, 12:23:50 PM
I can finally post pictures -- here is a picture of the Green Hornet proudly displayed right outside the main auction tent.
Jeff
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: JWH on January 19, 2019, 12:25:52 PM
Superformance, Factory Five and Shelby American all had cars lined up and ready for purchase. Cobras, GT40s and Daytona Coupes were all available.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on January 19, 2019, 12:26:19 PM
Ouch, the owner of Hagar's car is $150,000 in the red.
No he took the tax donation deduction when he bought it. Problem is did he take 100% of the purchase price? That would be illegal since he now sold it for 100 his deduction should have been only 150 not the 250 he paid - unless he donates the 100 somewhere too.
The low-mid price cars seemed to be cheaper this year. I wonder if it's a Trump effect where people are making money on wall street so they aren't betting on the classic car market as much.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: 2112 on January 19, 2019, 03:04:26 PM
I can finally post pictures -- here is a picture of the Green Hornet proudly displayed right outside the main auction tent.
Jeff

They didn't let people look under the Hood?   :-X
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: TedS on January 19, 2019, 06:00:11 PM
Did I just see a 68 KR FB cross the block at $210K ?
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Special Ed on January 19, 2019, 06:36:41 PM
yes & he will be paying 230 or so total  desirable combo  4-speed a/c in good color but strong $ for a fastback.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Dizzy on January 19, 2019, 07:48:57 PM
Saturday night and keeping the glasses full :P
Even the 23 window VW bus did OK!
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Bigfoot on January 19, 2019, 08:00:34 PM
Interested to see what KK 1807, 4500 +\- mile B9 sells for in the next hour or so. Nice piece with nice pedigree and looks amazing in photos.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: JD on January 20, 2019, 12:46:02 AM
seems like it was the Barrett-Jackson Resto/Custom Corvette Extravaganza.

'60's Shelby's didn't get much or any air time. 
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: 2112 on January 20, 2019, 01:57:06 AM
Interested to see what KK 1807, 4500 +\- mile B9 sells for in the next hour or so. Nice piece with nice pedigree and looks amazing in photos.

+1
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Fast Fords on January 20, 2019, 05:14:21 AM
I was not streaming it,so yes, it was mostly a Corvette auction and commercials. Luckily, I taped it and could watch a lot of it on fast forward.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: 427heaven on January 20, 2019, 07:34:07 AM
A white B9 sold for 147k... I would have been pissed if it was mine. :'(
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Hockeylife on January 20, 2019, 08:53:02 AM
One of the 2 white cars hammered at $137k, netting the seller $123.3k. I guess you would have been pissed.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: FL SAAC on January 20, 2019, 09:06:23 AM
at a 100k well bought real shelby fun car to be enjoyed, not a eleanor at 350k.  shows where the markets going

Ouch, the owner of Hagar's car is $150,000 in the red. That's what I call a Red Rocker of a trade. 
       This car was behind ropes so hard to get a look at it, but from the picture board, if i recall correctly, there was not much original Shelby left on this Shelby. It had been modded out extensively with total replacement of the drive-line and a color change from blue to red for starters. Just my opinion, but even at $100,000, I would consider this car "well sold."
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Special Ed on January 20, 2019, 09:15:04 AM
That white b9 was a car i had bought for local air-ride technology owner because he wanted a modified car headers & all. That car was stolen at one time & is missing lots of its original parts & drivetrain & is driver quality condition. We paid 125 for it & he had it for sale at 160 with no buyers so he traded it to BJ for another car so it was a BJ co. car & bj has a used car showroom that they sell & trade cars around in phoenix area somewhere. So the new buyer paid 150 or so with all the juice & that $ stayed in the house the way i see it if its a company car. Just sayin but not sure it works that way.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Bill on January 20, 2019, 09:32:55 AM
A white B9 sold for 147k... I would have been pissed if it was mine. :'(

Not if you bought it for $3,500 in the 70's
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: DC-DD on January 20, 2019, 10:16:27 AM
I was at the auction and saw this car (with the hood up) Like Ed said it was missing alot of original parts.  That car sold for what it was worth the way it sat.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: NC TRACKRAT on January 20, 2019, 10:26:35 AM
Red '66 GT350 hammered for $130K and, right after it, a Hertz went for $140K.  Kinda soft numbers.  Were there issues? I guess with that audience, had they been resto-modded, they might've brought more.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: jk66gt350 on January 20, 2019, 10:53:30 AM
No mention in the write ups of original drive train or how much of the sheet metal was original in those two 66's.  You would think those things would have been mentioned if either was substantially original, so maybe that held those back. 
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: gjz30075 on January 20, 2019, 11:25:34 AM
The red GT350 doesn't have its original engine but all original sheet metal, except the hood, per the Registry.   Registry also mentions that there
was no indication that traction bars were ever installed but on the block, Steve M. pointed out underriders.    A pretty nice car, I thought.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Shelby_r_b on January 20, 2019, 12:33:40 PM
Did others see the 1965 Mustang VIN 0002? It was at Mecum Indy in 2017. I saw it and the bidding got to $300K and it was a no sale. The estimate was $450-$600K.

...it hammered yesterday for $175K!!! That guy has gotta be pissed!!! It was no reserve, of course.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: JD on January 20, 2019, 02:41:12 PM
Did others see the 1965 Mustang VIN 0002? It was at Mecum Indy in 2017. I saw it and the bidding got to $300K and it was a no sale. The estimate was $450-$600K.

...it hammered yesterday for $175K!!! That guy has gotta be pissed!!! It was no reserve, of course.

Gambled and lost.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Wedgeman on January 20, 2019, 03:35:23 PM
Anyone have any more info on the 67 GT 500 #2560..Lot 1443.1..?  As usual, BJ cut away & left it in the bottom corner of the screen with no audio. Hammered at 275K with fees
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Richstang on January 20, 2019, 04:37:36 PM
I know you can look it up in the registry, but for others, we see it is a 411F - factory automatic with A/C.  (Z stamped too)
It is a beautiful, clean, and correct appearance car. Some older photos can be found in the NVSAAC photo gallery site.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Sfm6sxxx on January 20, 2019, 04:46:31 PM
Did others see the 1965 Mustang VIN 0002? It was at Mecum Indy in 2017. I saw it and the bidding got to $300K and it was a no sale. The estimate was $450-$600K.

...it hammered yesterday for $175K!!! That guy has gotta be pissed!!! It was no reserve, of course.

Gambled and lost.

+1
I get the fact that it is a low VIN car, but it wasn't #001.  It is a six banger, stick, plain jane Mustang coupe.  Unless it is going in a museum or someone just wants bragging rights, I am not sure why someone would pay more $175k, let alone $300k.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on January 20, 2019, 04:56:25 PM
4 Boss9s in one sale. Too many for the market? Also 8 Ford GTs and 3 Heritage. Rare cars need to come up rarely to pull strong numbers.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: SBCARGUY on January 20, 2019, 04:58:31 PM
Maybe true, except... ALL the Ford GTs at Barrett did fine...
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Richstang on January 20, 2019, 05:04:38 PM
Did others see the 1965 Mustang VIN 0002? It was at Mecum Indy in 2017. I saw it and the bidding got to $300K and it was a no sale. The estimate was $450-$600K.

...it hammered yesterday for $175K!!! That guy has gotta be pissed!!! It was no reserve, of course.

Gambled and lost.

+1
I get the fact that it is a low VIN car, but it wasn't #001.  It is a six banger, stick, plain jane Mustang coupe.  Unless it is going in a museum or someone just wants bragging rights, I am not sure why someone would pay more $175k, let alone $300k.

Yep...I agree.
It's not the first car off the line and it's not a hot performance optioned car. It certainly looks sharp in the Dark Blue / medium Blue interior but it's #0002.
A museum might want to have it as a conversational piece on display, but how many are really going to want it for so much more $$$ than another equally equipped car for a ton of cash less?
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: 2112 on January 20, 2019, 06:39:16 PM
4 Boss9s in one sale. Too many for the market? Also 8 Ford GTs and 3 Heritage. Rare cars need to come up rarely to pull strong numbers.


I think you pay a hefty penalty if you pull out after finding out there are too many of what you have consigned for a particular auction.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Hockeylife on January 20, 2019, 06:46:17 PM
Anyone have any more info on the 67 GT 500 #2560..Lot 1443.1..?  As usual, BJ cut away & left it in the bottom corner of the screen with no audio. Hammered at 275K with fees
Car hammered at $250k - period. Fees added an additional $25k. They’re not the same. Conversely, the seller sold the car for $225k.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: Wedgeman on January 20, 2019, 06:49:17 PM
Not asking about that..curious about if anyone knew the consignor,  knew who the buyer was...etc...
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: SFM6S087 on January 23, 2019, 03:21:15 AM
The red GT350 doesn't have its original engine but all original sheet metal, except the hood, per the Registry.   Registry also mentions that there
was no indication that traction bars were ever installed but on the block, Steve M. pointed out underriders.    A pretty nice car, I thought.

Another thing Steve M. mentioned was how in 1966 the GT350s had clutch pack differentials instead of the lockers used in 1965. Ouch! But at least that's not something you could simply look and verify. One of the other commentators informed the TV viewers about the NON functional side scoops. And, yes, he emphasized the "NON" part of that. Apparently the camera guy knew better and tried to get a shot inside the scoop, but there was not enough light to see the hole for the ducting in the side panel.

A bit disappointing, but not the first time I've heard them giving incorrect information about a Shelby.

Steve S.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on January 23, 2019, 09:41:24 AM
They have so much incorrect information all the time.

When the Ford GTX crossed the block they state there were 110 built but I believe the correct # built was around 32.

I guess they live by the motto "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance then baffle them with bullshit".  ;D

QSS
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: CSX 4133 on January 23, 2019, 10:16:06 AM

The Guardsman blue '66 GT350 (B/Prod.) race car,  Lot #1306.1 sold for 115K ($126,500) all in.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: CharlesTurner on January 23, 2019, 10:31:29 AM
Yep...I agree.
It's not the first car off the line and it's not a hot performance optioned car. It certainly looks sharp in the Dark Blue / medium Blue interior but it's #0002.
A museum might want to have it as a conversational piece on display, but how many are really going to want it for so much more $$$ than another equally equipped car for a ton of cash less?

It should go in the Henry Ford museum and be parked next to 001.

The restoration is a bit aged/dated, though, ought to be brought up to current standards.  Looks like some repro parts were used.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: 2112 on January 23, 2019, 10:41:59 AM

The Guardsman blue '66 GT350 (B/Prod.) race car,  Lot #1306.1 sold for 115K ($126,500) all in.

Similar to the car you just bought.

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1966-FORD-SHELBY-GT350-RACE-CAR-224674
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on January 23, 2019, 11:21:52 AM

The Guardsman blue '66 GT350 (B/Prod.) race car,  Lot #1306.1 sold for 115K ($126,500) all in.
Dang, I would have loved to pick that one up.

QSS
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: kranky on January 23, 2019, 11:38:55 AM
The race history on lot #1306.1 is incorrect.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: CSX 4133 on January 23, 2019, 01:49:59 PM
The race history on lot #1306.1 is incorrect.

Which portion or it's entirety Kranky?
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: CSX 4133 on January 23, 2019, 01:54:27 PM

The Guardsman blue '66 GT350 (B/Prod.) race car,  Lot #1306.1 sold for 115K ($126,500) all in.

Similar to the car you just bought.

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1966-FORD-SHELBY-GT350-RACE-CAR-224674

 Similar year, different color (mine is Sapphire blue) #1306.1 was pretty much period correct. Mine has updated full roll cage, onboard extinguisher, etc to meet current SVRA standards.
Title: Re: Random thoughts from Barrett Jackson 2019
Post by: kranky on January 23, 2019, 03:40:13 PM
Here are the FINAL SCCA points results for BP in the Northeastern Division for 1967-1970. (I can't vouch for any other history for lot #1306.1 beyond these years):

1967:
1st in points-Bob Fryar-Sting Ray-40 pts.
2nd in points-F.G. Fisher-Cobra 289-35 pts.
3rd in points-Tom Dutton-Corvette-31 pts.
4th in points-Martin Krinner-Mustang GT 350-28 pts.
5th in points-Donald Blatchley-Sting Ray-26 pts.
6th in points-Jim Sutter-Cobra 289-12 pts.
7th in points-Yale Kneeland-Mustang GT 350-11 pts.

There are a total of 23 participants in 1967 that scored at least 1 point (I'm not going to list the 8th-23rd points scorers....I'll just list all of the point scorers up to and including Yale Kneeland.)   All of the spellings (Cobra 289, Mustang GT 350....etc. are how they are listed in the SCCA Club magazines....all though I know as incorrect otherwise, and not listed as (Shelby GT 350, etc.).

1968:
1st in points-Gene Fisher-Cobra 289-49 pts.
2nd in points-Lou Statser-Corvette-48 pts.
3rd in points-Jim Sypherd-GT 350-30 pts.
4th in points-Tom Dutton-Sting Ray-22 pts.
5th in points-John Orr-Sting Ray-20 pts.
Tied for 6th in points-Ken Duclos-Corvette-15 pts.
Tied for 6th in points-Donald Blatchley-Corvette-15 pts.
8th? in points-Raymond Menapace-GT 350-12 pts.
9th? in points-Yale Kneeland-9th pts.

I'm not sure on how the SCCA places points positions if there is a tie in points....it may be determined by in region scored points vs. out of region or it may be that since both scored the same amount of points on the season as in Ken and Donald that they are credited for both finishing in 6th and the 7th position is left open (so on the 1968 season, Yale either finished 7th overall in points or 8th overall in points?

1969:
1st in points-Dick Stockton-Cobra 289-54 pts.
2nd in points-Fred Brandt-Sting Ray-37 pts.
3rd in points-Alex Cameron-Corvette-35 pts.
4th in points-John Orr-Corvette-27 pts.
5th in points-Donald Blatchley-Sting Ray-20 pts.
6th in points-Yale Kneeland-GT 350-15 pts.

1970:
1st in points-Thomas Rizzo-Corvette-51 pts.
2nd in points-John Orr-Corvette-36 pts.
3rd in points-Dick Stockton-Cobra-19 pts.
4th in points-Michael Nucera-Corvette-19pts. (had points scored out of region)
5th in points-D.M. Blatchley-Corvette-19 pts. (had points scored out of region)
6th in points-Ray Menapace-Shelby GT 350-16 pts.
? in points-Don Haines-Corvette-12 pts.
? in points-Bill Lannik-Corvette-4 pts.
? in points-Dick Powell-4 pts.
? in points-Scotty Dietz-Corvette-3 pts.
? in points-Dan Ferri-Corvette-3 pts.
? in points-Yale Kneeland-Shelby GT 350-3 pts.