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The Cars => 1969-1970 Shelby GT350/500 => Topic started by: 480083 on March 03, 2019, 02:39:30 PM

Title: Lucas fog lights
Post by: 480083 on March 03, 2019, 02:39:30 PM
Does anyone restore the fog lights? Or, is it best to get reproduction or good used units? 

I recently removed the original fog light set from my car.  No dents, rust holes, or broken glass in the fog lights.  Just medium corrosion inside and out and the wiring needs replacement.  The car is an early build GT-350 - December 1968.  I would hate to throw out parts that could be rebuilt.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Lucas fog lights
Post by: Shelbypat on March 03, 2019, 06:46:50 PM
Do you have pics ?
Title: Re: Lucas fog lights
Post by: propayne on March 03, 2019, 07:40:40 PM
Here are the only reproductions I am aware of.

I've never purchased these or inspected them in person, so I can't speak to their quality or authenticity.

Just from the photo I can see that the mounting knuckle is different and the lens is not correct.

https://www.holden.co.uk/p/square_8_foglamp_lucas_licenced_reproduction_

- Phillip
Title: Re: Lucas fog lights
Post by: Shelbypat on March 03, 2019, 07:58:32 PM
As far as I learned, Shelby's factory Lucas should have small black grommet instead of the common big gray.

Patrick
Title: Re: Lucas fog lights
Post by: Bob Gaines on March 03, 2019, 08:22:04 PM
Quote from: 480083 on March 03, 2019, 02:39:30 PM
Does anyone restore the fog lights? Or, is it best to get reproduction or good used units? 

I recently removed the original fog light set from my car.  No dents, rust holes, or broken glass in the fog lights.  Just medium corrosion inside and out and the wiring needs replacement.  The car is an early build GT-350 - December 1968.  I would hate to throw out parts that could be rebuilt.  Thanks.
The correct lens and the correct wiring pigtail are hard to find when restoring. Different looking  replacements are all that is available. The small black grommet is what came on the cars vs the later larger gray grommet.
Title: Re: Lucas fog lights
Post by: 480083 on March 03, 2019, 09:16:30 PM
Here are some pictures of the driver side fog light.  Passenger side looks the same.
Title: Re: Lucas fog lights
Post by: TOBKOB on March 03, 2019, 09:29:33 PM
I would definitely  clean them up and try to get them to look decent. You didn't say if it is for a driver or what but you can probably get them to look ok. I would try to save the wiring  and reuse it.

TOB
Title: Re: Lucas fog lights
Post by: Bob Gaines on March 03, 2019, 09:32:52 PM
Quote from: TOBKOB on March 03, 2019, 09:29:33 PM
I would definitely  clean them up and try to get them to look decent. You didn't say if it is for a driver or what but you can probably get them to look ok. I would try to save the wiring  and reuse it.

TOB
+1. Reuse the old parts and rechrome the case if you want to restore. Orlando Mustang used to offer a restoration service years ago for the Lucas lights . I don't think they still do but it will not hurt to ask.
Title: Re: Lucas fog lights
Post by: propayne on March 04, 2019, 09:07:57 AM
Those look 100% correct for a XR7-G Cougar  ;D

Turn the lens around and they are 100% correct for a Shelby.

- Phillip
Title: Re: Lucas fog lights
Post by: Shelbypat on March 04, 2019, 09:22:08 AM
Quote from: 480083 on March 03, 2019, 02:39:30 PM
Does anyone restore the fog lights? Or, is it best to get reproduction or good used units? 

I recently removed the original fog light set from my car.  No dents, rust holes, or broken glass in the fog lights.  Just medium corrosion inside and out and the wiring needs replacement.  The car is an early build GT-350 - December 1968.  I would hate to throw out parts that could be rebuilt.  Thanks.

You have the correct lens too. They are  mark as ENGLAND. Hard to find
Title: Re: Lucas fog lights
Post by: Hockeylife on March 04, 2019, 10:39:59 AM
I've had these these very nice, near flawless, Lucas lights for years. Installed by dealer on a 68 coupe at delivery. I took off to bring back to stock. Willing to let go. What are they worth?
Title: Re: Lucas fog lights
Post by: propayne on March 04, 2019, 10:49:36 AM
Bodies on both are correct for 1968.

One glass is "ENGLAND", which would be original as installed at Smith and looks like the other is "Foreign Glass" which would be later and not original (perhaps a broken lens was replaced at some point).

Not super up on prices, but those definitely have some value. If you market them, be sure to include 1968 XR7-G owners also. Would need some knuckles and unique bolts to mount, unless you have them also.

- Phillip
Title: Re: Lucas fog lights
Post by: aj on December 23, 2022, 10:23:12 AM
Reviving this thread with photos/questions about my Lucas fog lights.

Were on the car when bought in '79.   Now assuming not originals (2/28/69 build). Some differences vs. others in this thread are:

Mine have
1. 'Made in Italy'  on lenses and bulbs
2. Exposed ball pivot
3. Single wire (rather than 2) exiting body
4. Apparently grounded internally

Welcome comments/suggestions ??? 

Thinking of retrofitting 2-wire repo pigtail harness.


Title: Re: Lucas fog lights
Post by: Coralsnake on December 23, 2022, 10:26:46 AM
Not really anything there it is correct.

Lenses and retainers are incorrect shape, as is mounting bolt.
Title: Re: Lucas fog lights
Post by: aj on December 23, 2022, 10:28:25 AM
Thank you sir.  I'll adjust game plan accordingly.
Title: Re: Lucas fog lights
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 23, 2022, 02:59:47 PM
Besides the things Coralsnake mentioned the large gray grommet for the wire is indicative of the later service chrome body. That grey grommet uses a larger hole in the body. The one with the small black grommet uses a smaller hole and is period correct .The orange/yellow and black power wires are contained in a single grey vinyl wire covering . The end in a unique bullet like shaped connector. Still a good similar look replacement part but just not one that looks like the assemblyine
Title: Re: Lucas fog lights
Post by: shelbymann1970 on December 23, 2022, 04:00:41 PM
I haven't looked really in years but I bought a few original lamps and lenses  out of England. I also bought some incorrect ones just for the ENGLAND glass. The lamps were used for a few cars in England and they shouldn't be impossible to find. Shipping was really reasonable from England as next day air was how they were shipped but that was a while ago. Gary
Title: Re: Lucas fog lights
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 23, 2022, 04:51:15 PM
I believe back in the day that a pair of entire assemblies were purchased to get a replacement glass lens . There was not a huge difference between the price of the pair of assemblies vs. the price of   the individual lens I was told by one original owner. I also think that the pair of complete fog lights was more easily available then the individual parts was another reason for the replacement of the later style foglights on a given car. Yes they were relatively common used on a lot of English cars. They are still relatively commonly available over in the UK even today. At least the ones with the large gray grommets are.
Title: Re: Lucas fog lights
Post by: shelbymann1970 on December 23, 2022, 04:59:05 PM
There are some available on Ebay right now and even a  really nice "new take off pair" with a "STRANGE" price on them.  ;D  https://www.ebay.com/itm/265648885442?hash=item3dd9e84ec2:g:XSsAAOSwgzxgf3P9&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoAo%2BP%2Bg5jkoAsJTgYRksKGACIkrG3NII7RkO9%2Bc2ZfS7pVgrtWZ9z%2Bw6acm7J6W5RzjfQ1E5lIjhNRW8vCJKMkhgr%2FRxofdlWcNk8WaCVWLoObKGuKghBcLhpxbMkPD8dtOykK41di6pemL7DIpCWP7P%2B8Ls9F0Ue1ostM%2BpRXXG%2FnqJTvBsNO4L7%2Fv86Rz2UaW%2By3btEcjx7mFeY%2FfGQtY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9r6kI2oYQ
Title: Re: Lucas fog lights
Post by: FL SAAC on December 24, 2022, 10:38:55 AM
picked these up a few years ago as spares