I find it very interesting that we are going to allow everyone to start over.
Personally, I dont care for it. If you want more posts where people are making snarky comments and being able to sell parts without being checked or challenged, I think we have arrived.
So far, I dont like the direction. I understand moderators and administrators have other concerns, but many of the comments made so far should not remain up on the forum.
If you are not going to respect what was built, then maybe we need start over and this will turn into vintage-mustang forum 2.
Just my observation
I thought the old forum had some order after nine years. There is none here and I am sure I am going to wait nine years for it to happen.
I don't mind change but have to agree (so far) with Coralsnake.
We DO have a reputation to up hold . Other sites have been proclaiming our demise similar to when CS initiated his Chicken Sxxt law suit against SAAC . STRONG members make a STRONG forum. THIS FORUM has NEVER run from ANYBODY and there is no reason for that to change. The knowledge IS still here. Like a kick in the nuts it hurts for a while and then you are back with a vengance. I know "I" am. Until POOKIE is allowed to be a member, I'll be here. Who's with me????
I dont know Randy, if there are these concerns and no answers, why continue to invest time into it?
Now we have members off the rails accusing long time forum members of dastardly deeds and all we see is a lock down and a "knock it off" Pretty soon everyone has an opinion and good opinions cant be sorted from bad. If we dont recognize what the old forum was, I am not sure this forum, will end up in the same place...
How about we start showing some respect for the people that willing contributed to the forum for years and years, instead of this version of Animal Farm, where all posters are equals and allowed to go unchallenged?
I will volunteer to become a moderator because I would definitely like to clean up some of the OT posts.
The stupid $hit that gets discussed here sometimes was a topic we were all discussing before the failure.
All I am asking is that the post be related to Shelby/Fords/Cobras etc.
Enough of the blow up doll shit, NOBODY FÛ€Kîng CARES!!
Count me in!
Chris
Pete this is my 20th post so it should make me a jr member. Now that it appears my balls have been acknowledged , I will continue to be heard. "begin rant now"
Part of the value ( read ideals) IMHO of this site is what has become known as the Shelby Police. We joke about it often but are accused bf being it MORE often. We have helped save MANY people from being ripped off by FAKE ads for cars NOT FOR SALE , repop parts sold as NOS , incorrect item descriptions , applications , and MANY other things. Those who benefited from OUR expertise are VERY grateful in almost every case. Let's face it EVERY Mustang with ANY spec of a part that was ever on a Shelby American or Shelby Automotive produced IS a SHELBY in the eyes of those who proclaim it. Door handles , Hard top deck lids , cigarette lighters , ALL Shelby parts!!! The ads don't lie. Right.
I looked at a recent locked post which showed three metal tags. As a card carrying member of the Shelby police I would have called one of them a reproduction JUST like I would ANY other tag that didn't match an original. I don't care WHO the selling party is/was. WRONG is still wrong.
If this rant gets me a "time out" on this forum so be it , I will NOT lessen the passion I have had for these cars since 1965.
Respectfully,
RANDY GILLIS
Well, Im not as experienced as you, but we are tracking. That post and its accompaning threads are a focus of my ire. The same person was selling a complete engine. That was until he figured out the smog system had value and he stripped it off....how much value does your $1200 "complete" engine after you strip $1200 of parts off it?
Then you start accusing people of torpedoing your sales, questioning their knowledge and calling them greedy trolls?
What the hell is going on? So many things have changed with the new forum, Im beginning to wonder...
Pete (and all others of knowledge) - remember it took 9 years to "fine tune" the old forum. And most A-holes eventually learned to play by the rules or left. This re-start will probably also take some tuning. But if you and others like you abandon ship....it's gonna sink.
JMHO
Something needs to be done. A fellow forum member sent Pete and i transmission pictures to ask if authentic. Both Pete and I advised him it had phony tag. The seller (no names) starts slamming us because he's been exposed. Next you know there's all kinds of posts firing at me and moderator shuts everything down even though the derogatory stuff is all on one side. Not much respect for 9 years of loyalty
Fences are not made to sit on
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 07, 2018, 06:10:24 PM
I dont know Randy, if there are these concerns and no answers, why continue to invest time into it?
Now we have members off the rails accusing long time forum members of dastardly deeds and all we see is a lock down and a "knock it off" Pretty soon everyone has an opinion and good opinions cant be sorted from bad. If we dont recognize what the old forum was, I am not sure this forum, will end up in the same place...
How about we start showing some respect for the people that willing contributed to the forum for years and years, instead of this version of Animal Farm, where all posters are equals and allowed to go unchallenged?
That's ridiculous. The pig obviously is not equal to the horse.
Quote from: TLea on February 07, 2018, 07:17:29 PM
Something needs to be done. A fellow forum member sent Pete and i transmission pictures to ask if authentic. Both Pete and I advised him it had phony tag. The seller (no names) starts slamming us because he's been exposed. Next you know there's all kinds of posts firing at me and moderator shuts everything down even though the derogatory stuff is all on one side. Not much respect for 9 years of loyalty
Fences are not made to sit on
Having what appears to be a non-authentic tag is not the same as being exposed. Both of you guys need to re-examine what you posted.
It should have stood as your opinion and if the OP wants to roll around in do-do, simple, let him.
I don't understand why you got so upset? All it did was turn into an ugly scene of name calling and that has no positives. Personally I thought you were above that?
Pete ,
Sadly dishonest people rarely change until the grim reaper is staring at them ,and sometimes still don't . I will continue to expose them until I am reprimanded or "released" . I'm not in a popularity contest. If dishonesty IS allowed to flourish , I will move on.
Randy
Doug, I know we havent always agreed, but you should know I will always defend what I think is right, even when I'm wrong. I am not afraid to challenge anyone on the forum. It does make me mad when someone calls out a knowlegable person and seemingly has gotten away with it.
:o
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 07, 2018, 07:33:29 PM
Doug, I know we havent always agreed, but you should know I will always defend what I think is right, even when I'm wrong.
:o
I understand that. Why argue with someone who either doesn't understand or doesn't want to.
Simple. I respect both of your opinions. IF I was in the market for that transmission I would be looking for your opinion and Tim's (presuming you would be willing) and go with that.
You simply cannot protect another if they choose to ignore that?
Post your opinion(s) respectfully and let them stand. Contrary to what you might think, they carry a lot of weight and respect.
That's just my view. It's not my intent to lecture or appear to.
There are more important things then to get involved in an online brawl, which is what it turned into.
That's the last I'm going to say about it. Obviously that's just my opinion. Best to all.
Doug you are off base here. When a seller knowing tells a buyer something is authentic and it isn't that's fraud. Are you condoning that? I can't sorry
Let me say as a guy who just bought a Shelby for the first time 2 years ago I have learned so much both here on this forum and talking personally to folks on the forum. It would be a huge loss for any of you guys to abandon ship. I can not tell you just how much I appreciate all the help. I know my car is far better for it. I think the whole hobby is way better for it.
I feel very bad for any part I played in this unnecessary mess.
Doug ,
The POINT is it wasn't a big deal UNTIL the name calling. Do you REALLY think Tim started off calling this guy names? I just called out a guy on epay on a 351W finned aluminum pan claimed to fit a Cobra. Do you think I said Hey you Dxxxxxxbag you are lying? IF he had responded the way Tim was responded to , I would have put on my ShelbyDoug costume and opened up a can of Wxxp xxs , same as you would. No respect gets no respect. If I ever want to say something to you that isn't needed to be seen by other I use the PM function as always. You know that ! apologize to all the pygmies , and others I have offended ( from Larry the Cable Guy)
Randy
Quote from: corbins on February 07, 2018, 07:16:03 PM
Pete (and all others of knowledge) - remember it took 9 years to "fine tune" the old forum. And most A-holes eventually learned to play by the rules or left. This re-start will probably also take some tuning. But if you and others like you abandon ship....it's gonna sink.
JMHO
Steve I hear you but the issue is you don't mind fighting for the truth when people have your back. When forum moderators can't discern between someone who's been supportive of the club/members and another that just wants to make a quick buck then maybe it's time to go elsewhere
I feel a censorship coming
Quote from: gt350hr on February 07, 2018, 07:45:46 PM
Doug ,
The POINT is it wasn't a big deal UNTIL the name calling. Do you REALLY think Tim started off calling this guy names? I just called out a guy on epay on a 351W finned aluminum pan claimed to fit a Cobra. Do you think I said Hey you Dxxxxxxbag you are lying? IF he had responded the way Tim was responded to , I would have put on my ShelbyDoug costume and opened up a can of Wxxp xxs , same as you would. No respect gets no respect. If I ever want to say something to you that isn't needed to be seen by other I use the PM function as always. You know that ! apologize to all the pygmies , and others I have offended ( from Larry the Cable Guy)
Randy
He responded. Sometimes you need to just walk away.
Quote from: shelbydoug on February 07, 2018, 07:40:52 PM
You simply cannot protect another if they choose to ignore that?
Post your opinion(s) respectfully and let them stand. Contrary to what you might think, they carry a lot of weight and respect.
^^This.
The person that posted that repop tag was completely capable of flaming himself into a cinder on his own. You can ban him, but if he loses credibility, and is ignored, he will ban himself.
I think you are missing the sequence. We never said anything to seller or offline. We told buyer privately about it. Seller instigated by childish name calling
If you want drama just go to Facebook.
This discord is distressing.
Let's try and calibrate...
One of the very best attributes of this community over the past 10 years is the fact that it ran under pure self-control.
It is composed of some of the best enthusiasts in the automotive community...spanning old vets with decades of experience, all the way up to newbie enthusiasts with a thirst for knowledge and insight into the history and technology of our cars.
There is no reason... and no intention... for this to change.
There will always be debates...and disagreements... and challenges. There always have been. But they cool off quickly with civil discussions and mutual respect.
That's not going to change.
In the past, we rarely had to close a thread or shake the ban stick at most any user that stepped over the line.
I don't want that to change.
I truly recognize the latent sadness with the "start-over"... but it is what it is.
We need our forum veterans to hold the standards to a level we had been used to.
Here's some advice for all:
Keep the dialog sane and civil. if it gets hot, take it outside.
Have your battles offline or via PM... one-on-one, ad hominem confrontations will not be tolerated.
We're not going to boot someone off the forum for a disagreeable opinion... but if a pattern of behavior is noted... there will be warnings....and consequences.
Work it out, but not with posting drama.
I have no fear that we can do this.
See a fight breaking out? ...report the post, don't fuel the fire.
Trust me... we will be sure that our standards remain.
Thanks
Ron
SAAC HQ
Well said... A lot of talanted people that are willing to help and prolifirate the hobby. We all have to remember this is a "fun" hobby for the love of the common shared affection of Shelby's.
I hear you Ron but with all due respect if you read the threads all things are not equal and to suggest everybody just get along doesn't fly. One side initiated with phrases about taking medication, stealing from clients and stupidity none of which were related to the subject matter. Those are expressions of mean spirited vindictive behavior. Those are things that would get one fired in a workplace. I'm all for getting along until a line is crossed and people are potentially victimized (parts buyer, not me)
Maybe potential buyer that walked away based on advice from "less gifted experts" can post his thoughts of averting a scam
For those who have not followed this thread closely it is important to understand the timeline. All correspondence started offline and was very cordial. I simply wanted to replace the incorrect perfectly good toploader transmission in my 1968 GT350 with a correct toploader transmission. It was important to me that the transmission be a correct one because I already have an incorrect one that works just fine. I am very new to the hobby so I consulted with a couple guys that I really trust as extremely knowledgeable in the field of Shelby's and specifically 1968 Shelby's. One of these gentlemen I have met in person a few times, the other just through correspondence. In both cases I feel strongly that these two gentlemen are fair, honest and unbiased so I trust them. Incidentally, I made these contacts complete independently meaning neither one knew I was even consulting the other let alone know what the other had said. Both of them, again independently, said the tag "looked suspect". This is all they said. They did not advise me what to do or what they would do. They did not accuse anyone of impropriety in any way. They simply said it looked suspect.
So I not knowing how to verify that the transmission is the correct one decided to error on the side of caution and just wait until the next transmission comes along. I felt like all correspondence was fine and cordial. The seller said he had other buyers so all was good. In fact in the original post that started this (that has been subsequently deleted) the seller stated he sold the transmission for more than he had it advertised for. So all should have been fine and happy.
Unfortunately, the seller felt it was necessary to add in his post disparaging comments toward folks on this forum. I have no idea why he felt this was necessary or acceptable, only he knows. But I took great offence to his comments and they bothered me tremendously. I was debating whether to address it or let it go. But when Tim questioned the seller and the seller replied "if the shoe fits" I was just too bothered to let it go. It has spiraled out of control with the escalating coming from the seller and that can easily be seen in the subsequent posts.
All I can say is my decision clearly turned out to be the right one and without the counsel of forum experts I would have made a $1200 mistake.
Everyone is kinda upset. Unfortunate.
Quote from: corbins on February 07, 2018, 07:16:03 PM
Pete (and all others of knowledge) - remember it took 9 years to "fine tune" the old forum. And most A-holes eventually learned to play by the rules or left. This re-start will probably also take some tuning. But if you and others like you abandon ship....it's gonna sink.
JMHO
I took a look at the threads discussed here. IMO the SAAC forum has the reputation of being a place to go for opinions from the best of the best in the vintage Shelby world. Often times people didn't/don't like the advice or information they got about a particular item or car, but a lot can happen in the 50+ years since a car was built and many things can be changed or reproduced..... We "old-timers" (and although I have only owned my Shelby for 18 years, will include myself here) have to stick to our principles that were the backbone of the previous forum. It is unfortunate that the top experts have lost the recognition they had due to the lost posts, however the cream will rise to the top, and the mainstays here know who you all are. The crap will sink to the bottom and go away, if we maintain the course we were all on in the previous forum.
I hope the admins have used all the forensics (tools and services) available today to try to get the old forum back. Being in the IT field, it boggles my mind that it can't be recovered. Just an incalculable loss; I frequently referred to old posts for information. I think we are all feeling the loss deeply, I go back and forth between sad and a bit angry, it's a tough pill to swallow.
Anyway, I will shut up for now. Onward and upward...
Jim
I guess one big unfortunate by-product of the reboot is the loss of all that documented interaction - the years and years of good will (or ill will) that was built up gradually and naturally over time.
Now it feels kinda like the wild west on here.
- Phillip
Coralsnake,
I was shocked at the disrespect some a-- hole said to you in a comment last week.
Yes, we all have gotten snippy sometimes over the decades, but this was , my own opinion, a smart a-- that , hate to say, represents some of the newer members that are clueless to whom they are addressing.
Not that us old dogs that have been here for 3 decades and counting>> are exceptions, but we are the ones that have driven the site/
Perhaps there is a way to have Ron change the post numbers counts, or add something that distinguishes .
Jim Cowles as old as dirt as so on !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Smile big Jim
I would hate to see the site fall into the Abyss, maybe a little strong, but something needs to be done?
With respect to all as always.
John from Utah
John from Illinois
Appreciate it John, I try hard to treat others respectfully. My observation was there was some jabs being taken at other forum members after they assisted people who asked a good question. In the last several weeks the person taking the jab has had a couple questionable/ misleading posts.
I am not sure if he knowingly misrepresented parts, but I do know when he was called out, he became very defensive and started throwing wild accusations against long time members. Uncalled for....
From December 2017 courtesy of a forum member
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-080218102307.jpeg)
I think we can capture other post totals if we tried.
QuotePerhaps there is a way to have Ron change the post numbers counts, or add something that distinguishes .
Jim Cowles as old as dirt as so on !!!!!!!!!!!!!
I second that...I personally don't care about the number of post but it would help "newbies" (true newbies) recognize the true veteran members who made this site what is was and will be again. It might also help when the "SAAC Member" can be added to the signature. ;)
TOB
Quote from: TOBKOB on February 08, 2018, 11:13:38 AM
QuotePerhaps there is a way to have Ron change the post numbers counts, or add something that distinguishes .
Jim Cowles as old as dirt as so on !!!!!!!!!!!!!
I second that...I personally don't care about the number of post but it would help "newbies" (true newbies) recognize the true veteran members who made this site what is was and will be again. It might also help when the "SAAC Member" can be added to the signature. ;)
TOB
I don't know? Sounds like some just want a medal? Maybe they should go see the Wizard?
Thanks Ron! The ONLY way we can fail is if WE let it happen. We have to face the fact that as our cars have increased in value "opportunists" have noticed too. As I mentioned in a previous post , door handles , rear view mirrors , fender bolts, dash pads etc. have become "Shelby" items with higher prices than in the past. We have identified several "repeat offenders" and sellers to be dealt with using caution. As you mentioned none of us want that to change. The "go to" guys are still here . It's no secret that I always promote "responsible posting on public forums" on every forum I participate on. I have left some that can't seem to control that. Public degradation belongs on the "S&M" site popularly known as Yxxxxw Bxxxxt. I have been fortunate enough to meet and spend time with most of the "movers and shakers" on this site and can have a difference of opinion and still be smiling with any of them. "I" learn from them too and have to correct my opinion on occasion. I look at that as a positive learning experience , not someone beating up on me because I had a different view. The difference is we RESPECT each other! None of us resort to childish name calling or bullying.
So we had a couple of weeks off and the "office has fresh paint" . Time to get back to work. "Compromising situations" should be reported to the appropriate authority as suggested.
Thank you for the opportunity to "work" here.
Randy Gillis
Pete ,
I DEMAND A RECOUNT!!! The Russians have clearly hacked into the system . Gaines can't be that windy , well on second thought, NEVER MIND. Laughing Out Loud . Look at the collective time the top ten have shared when they could be doing something else like counting buttons on a couch or basket weaving. I am HONORED to be in the top 10 along with the other 9 great members. As I said a couple of posts ago , I appreciate the opportunity to be here.
Quote from: gt350hr on February 08, 2018, 11:28:50 AM
Pete ,
I DEMAND A RECOUNT!!! The Russians have clearly hacked into the system . Gaines can't be that windy , well on second thought, NEVER MIND. Laughing Out Loud . Look at the collective time the top ten have shared when they could be doing something else like counting buttons on a couch or basket weaving. I am HONORED to be in the top 10 along with the other 9 great members. As I said a couple of posts ago , I appreciate the opportunity to be here.
...needlepoint, that's the kool thing to be doing. ;)
Doug ,
I didn't want to "leak" your private passion info to everyone 8)
Quote from: gt350hr on February 08, 2018, 11:35:01 AM
Doug ,
I didn't want to "leak" your private passion info to everyone 8)
Thank you for your sensitivity. I appreciate it. Few would understand?
So much for peace, love and understanding? Don't make us vote on you. We'll do it.
Why don't you just let this be?
Time for a Deputy Barney minute. Nip it in the bud or pull out the single bullet in his shirt pocket. Been on this site for YEARS and have obtained so much spot on advice from so many. Someone put something in the cool aid or change dosage of meds? We are really chastising someone for misspelling a word. Geez. Move on.
Martin
Caretaker of 5S228 since 1967
Quote from: 1968GT350 on February 08, 2018, 11:39:20 AM
Quote from the world famous Coralsnake...
"Well, Im not as experienced as you, but we are tracking. That post and its accompaning threads are a focus of my ire. The same person was selling a complete engine. That was until he figured out the smog system had value and he stripped it off....how much value does your $1200 "complete" engine after you strip $1200 of parts off it?"
Pete...
I think that its time you stopped making a fool out of yourself. Apparently the answer to your question is $1200, because that's what my "mostly" complete engine sold for. Please answer my question now...how is this any of your business?
*PS this is how you spell the word "accompanying". That squiggly red line underneath that word means that you've spelled it wrong, hint hint). Please make a note of that, I'm getting kind of tired of correcting you on everything.
TAKE A HINT from RON. Use PM's for your personal issues with Pete.
You know what, I am not interested in pointing this forum in the "devolve" direction. If certain members here want push it in that direction, go ahead. The buck stops here. If certain people want to keep beating this thing to death well then its on you.
Quote from: gt350hr on February 08, 2018, 12:02:58 PM
TAKE A HINT from RON. Use PM's for your personal issues with Pete.
as evidence by his participation some people can't. I sent him a PM to invite him to talk to me. Guess what? No response. Big surprise.
I refuse to reply to the ongoing bad behavior
Edit to this post. When I wrote it there were 2 new posts from Rob (1968GT350) defaming several forum members that he has now deleted. Somebody should mention screen shots to him
Yes, I am aware of what he posted. Just more proof of his lack of integrity and inability to back up what he is saying.
I will continue to call out people that make misleading statements about things I know or can prove to be innaccurate and will not be intimidated by name calling or threats.
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 08, 2018, 10:23:38 AM
From December 2017 courtesy of a forum member
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-080218102307.jpeg)
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Which one ?
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 07, 2018, 05:22:14 PM
I find it very interesting that we are going to allow everyone to start over.
Personally, I dont care for it. If you want more posts where people are making snarky comments and being able to sell parts without being checked or challenged, I think we have arrived.
So far, I dont like the direction. I understand moderators and administrators have other concerns, but many of the comments made so far should not remain up on the forum.
If you are not going to respect what was built, then maybe we need start over and this will turn into vintage-mustang forum 2.
Just my observation
I thought the old forum had some order after nine years. There is none here and I am sure I am going to wait nine years for it to happen.
As a not so ling time member, and following all posts, i agree with Pete.. The format of the old forum lent itself to one of orderly, knowledgeable posts, and rules that were enforced.....I hope over time we get back there sooner than later.
A picture of the Ford box next to the part for sale would have saved 3 pages of posts ;)
Have a nice day!
Enough, OK?..
Let's move on`...