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Off Topic Area => The Lounge => Topic started by: shelbydoug on March 16, 2019, 03:39:25 PM

Title: Tool for directional signal pins/plug
Post by: shelbydoug on March 16, 2019, 03:39:25 PM
I had one of these things but the last time I used it was about 1875 during the US reconstruction after the Civil War. I haven't seen it. It could I sunk with the Arizona?

What is that thing called so I can do a search? I seemed to remember it MIGHT be a Radio Shack item?
Radio shack was open in 1875 right? Or was that 1975? I forget now?

And it's for my 68 GT350 so Coralsnake definitely knows and probably will gloat that he needs to help me with this? Probably.  ;)
Title: Re: Tool for directional signal pins/plug
Post by: dieseldave on March 16, 2019, 04:11:22 PM
If you have a NPD catalog they have a terminal removing tool listed for $11. 23
https://www.npdlink.com/product/removal-tool-wire-terminal-removes-wire-terminals-from/107213?backurl=search%2Fproducts%3Fsearch_terms%3Dwire%252Bterminal%252Bremoval%252Btool%26top_parent%3D200001%26year%3D
Title: Re: Tool for directional signal pins/plug
Post by: shelbydoug on March 16, 2019, 04:52:08 PM
That will do. Thanks.
Title: Re: Tool for directional signal pins/plug
Post by: NC TRACKRAT on March 16, 2019, 09:00:04 PM
As I recall, the terminals used in that connector were standard (not Universal) AMP Mate-N-Lok.  There is one retention barb per terminal.  To remove, push the wire forward from the back so as to allow the barb to clear the internal shelf in the NYLON connector body.  Then insert the cylindrical tool over the terminal from the front face of the connector which depresses the barb. Then pull on the wire to extract the terminal.   The tool referenced above is a bargain in that it can be used on a variety of terminal diameters.
Title: Re: Tool for directional signal pins/plug
Post by: shelbydoug on March 17, 2019, 07:28:11 AM
Thanks for the info. I did this once before, when I first got the car in 1972. Exactly where that tool is now is unknown but yes, I do remember the procedure. I just need to wait for the Pony Express to deliver.

I'm not sure why the new switch is supplied without the plug but apparently it never was from Ford either?
Title: Re: Tool for directional signal pins/plug
Post by: dieseldave on March 17, 2019, 01:43:49 PM
New plug from NPD.
https://www.npdlink.com/product/plug-turn-signal-switch-13341-to-main-harness/169946?backurl=search%2Fproducts%3Fsearch_terms%3Dturn%252Bsignal%252Bplug%26top_parent%3D200001%26year%3D
Title: Re: Tool for directional signal pins/plug
Post by: shelbydoug on March 22, 2019, 08:32:59 AM
Thanks for all the help. In my case, the pins are stuck in the socket and the tool won't release them.

Maybe they got over heated and welded themselves to the socket?

The solution was just to use a new socket.
Title: Re: Tool for directional signal pins/plug
Post by: CharlesTurner on March 22, 2019, 08:39:51 AM
I've been able to use a small tip screw driver to pry the tabs back to release the wires.  I bought the NPD tool mentioned and didn't have much success with it, ended up throwing it away.  There are some tool kits out there with all the different diameter fittings, need to get one eventually.
Title: Re: Tool for directional signal pins/plug
Post by: shelbydoug on March 22, 2019, 09:06:49 AM
I've been able to use a small tip screw driver to pry the tabs back to release the wires.  I bought the NPD tool mentioned and didn't have much success with it, ended up throwing it away.  There are some tool kits out there with all the different diameter fittings, need to get one eventually.

I've got the tool assortment. NONE of the wires will come loose. They've been in there for 50 years. Time to just replace the socket too. For $150 you would think the switch would come with the socket?
Title: Re: Tool for directional signal pins/plug
Post by: NC TRACKRAT on March 22, 2019, 10:01:28 AM
As I mentioned above, the secret to extract is to push forward on the wire from the rear and hold it, while you insert the tool from the front of the connector to depress the tab. Once the tab is depressed, pull back on the wire and the contact should come out.
Title: Re: Tool for directional signal pins/plug
Post by: SFM6S on March 22, 2019, 10:11:53 AM
You could also go to you local hobby store and buy a piece of brass tube the correct inside diameter...might be faster than waiting on a tool from a vendor.

Joe
Title: Re: Tool for directional signal pins/plug
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on March 22, 2019, 03:05:28 PM
used to split a ball point pen insert an use that to slide over the pin, must be a brass one, plastic would not work
Title: Re: Tool for directional signal pins/plug
Post by: 1967 eight barrel on March 24, 2019, 03:10:30 PM
Doug, I have a good removal tool I can send to you as a loaner to extract your pins if you're still having issues. I am in Corning, NY until I return to DFW on Wednesday.
                                                                                               -Keith
Title: Re: Tool for directional signal pins/plug
Post by: shelbydoug on March 24, 2019, 04:13:46 PM
Doug, I have a good removal tool I can send to you as a loaner to extract your pins if you're still having issues. I am in Corning, NY until I return to DFW on Wednesday.
                                                                                               -Keith

Thank you for your offer. I don't need the tool.

I bought a new plug and installed the harness into that, so it's finished.
Title: Re: Tool for directional signal pins/plug
Post by: 1967 eight barrel on March 24, 2019, 10:45:17 PM
Doug: Good enough!  I had the same issue when I replaced mine. I think the horns tend to heat the blocks up, not to mention plastic and just outright time. I took a picture of the wire loctaions with my cell and cut the plug off and removed them in the house off the vehicle.

                                                                                                   -Keith
Title: Re: Tool for directional signal pins/plug
Post by: shelbydoug on March 25, 2019, 07:24:59 AM
The pins were the least of the issue. Bigger was the extra two wire and the new harness changed the dark blue to light blue, and was it the same?
What in fact happened was that whomever the actual source is of the part is, used the Ford Service Part as the model.

I do remember changing this switch back when I first got the car in 1972 and it was an exact replacement. Ford must have used up all existing original stock before combining the replacement into the 69 Tbird which uses 12 wires in the harness.

As the switch is still not powered up, I can't say there is no problem with that yet, but I would expect no problems or issues.

Thanks for everyones input and offers of help. For now, the case is closed. ;)
Title: Re: Tool for directional signal pins/plug
Post by: Bob Gaines on March 25, 2019, 10:47:30 PM
The pins were the least of the issue. Bigger was the extra two wire and the new harness changed the dark blue to light blue, and was it the same?
What in fact happened was that whomever the actual source is of the part is, used the Ford Service Part as the model.

I do remember changing this switch back when I first got the car in 1972 and it was an exact replacement. Ford must have used up all existing original stock before combining the replacement into the 69 Tbird which uses 12 wires in the harness.

As the switch is still not powered up, I can't say there is no problem with that yet, but I would expect no problems or issues.

Thanks for everyones input and offers of help. For now, the case is closed. ;)
It is very typical and annoying that the aftermarket /repro mfg's would take the last part service by Ford before the part went obsolete as a basis to copy . They don't seem to understand that the parts may have evolved several times to be used on more applications etc. from the ones actually used on the assemblyline
Title: Re: Tool for directional signal pins/plug
Post by: shelbydoug on March 26, 2019, 07:21:58 AM
The pins were the least of the issue. Bigger was the extra two wire and the new harness changed the dark blue to light blue, and was it the same?
What in fact happened was that whomever the actual source is of the part is, used the Ford Service Part as the model.

I do remember changing this switch back when I first got the car in 1972 and it was an exact replacement. Ford must have used up all existing original stock before combining the replacement into the 69 Tbird which uses 12 wires in the harness.

As the switch is still not powered up, I can't say there is no problem with that yet, but I would expect no problems or issues.

Thanks for everyones input and offers of help. For now, the case is closed. ;)
It is very typical and annoying that the aftermarket /repro mfg's would take the last part service by Ford before the part went obsolete as a basis to copy . They don't seem to understand that the parts may have evolved several times to be used on more applications etc. from the ones actually used on the assemblyline

I agree but this is a part coming from Scott Drake. He has apparently different criteria then Concours judges do.

I think though that in this case that from a manufactures standpoint there are several perspectives on this part. 1) It fits two cars, the Mustang and the Tbird. Why make two? 2) just cut the wires out of the harness. Once you do that there is no outward evidence that it is the Tbird part 3) if we don't like it, make it ourselves.

Actually there is an additional change. The original blue wire in the Mustang harness was a dark blue. The replacement wire in this harness is now light blue.

Title: Re: Tool for directional signal pins/plug
Post by: dieseldave on April 08, 2019, 09:13:27 PM
Just bought the terminal tool, it a Lisle Tool, part #56500..
Title: Re: Tool for directional signal pins/plug
Post by: pmustang on April 12, 2019, 03:15:19 PM
The  tool is like trying to hold a chinese star tightly in your fist

I find you actually have to not only push the wire deeper into the plug while holding the tool on the pin but also twist the wire back and forth. Some can be a real bear to get out but they come out