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To all,

Please see below, as a 1967 Shelby GT350 (with undocumented owner history - until 3 weeks ago) has been found!  This car is #2666 and I purchased the car just over a week ago from the second owner's estate (Robert Mejia).  The first owner (Daniel Mejia - the first cousin of Robert Mejia) originally purchased the car in 1967 from Mel Burns Ford of Long Beach, CA after he separated from the Air Force.  In 1972, Daniel sold the car to Robert, as Daniel was going through a bitter divorce and wanted to offload the car.  Since its original sale, this car had never left California until it was delivered to my house yesterday afternoon.  This car has had one repaint to black soon after it's original purchase, incredibly original / rust free, and is believed to have 10,454 original miles.

I'm very excited to share this car (and it's story) with all.  The below blog posting via Virginia Classic Mustang (thanks, Brant!) details a little bit about the car's history and ownership.

http://blog.virginiaclassicmustang.com

I'll be bringing this car to the MCA National in Houston, TX next weekend for the "Mustangs Take Flight" show in case you are in the area and would like to see the car.  And, I'd love to meet you all as well!

Many thanks to Aaron Stauber of Big 3 Performance who provided me with the lead on this car (and has restored many cars for me - I would say he's one of my best friends...even before sharing this lead  ;D), Dave Mathews for helping me authenticate and validate the car, and the family of Robert Mejia (especially Mark Castillo - the nephew of Robert) who were so welcoming and willing to share the car's history with me. 

For those I consider close friends: my apologies for not reaching out sooner with the good news.  Truly, there were some major hiccups during this journey of 3 weeks (which, at times, felt like 3 years!), and I didn't want to share until the car was safely in my garage.

Have a fantastic weekend fellow Shelby fans!

Ruben Bonales
San Antonio, TX

Congratulations on the acquisition, look forward to the detailed reveal.

My California Special also came from Mel Burns Ford.

Very very cool!   8)

Wow!  What a great find Ruben.  One owner and all original.  That is a rare car.
I was feeling bad for you selling #0022 and look what you found to start the process all over again!
Candle Apple Red - My favorite color on a Mustang or Shelby!  My first car was a 66 Mustang coupe with candle apple red paint.
Is Virginia Classic Mustang going to restore the car for you?
See you at Mecum auction.
Ron

Ruben - Nice Find!

So do you know what you're going to do, clean-up, get running/road worthy and drive or full restoration?

Get plenty of photo's of all that original stuff!!

JD

Nice!

Nice find Ruben.

Not many still have the Thermactor systems in place. Looks like it was in the same build group as one I owned a while back 2637

Good luck and enjoy

Awesome find Ruben!  I own a '68 Mustang but have always been partial to '67 Shelbys.  Have fun with it!

Terry

Glad to hear of another rescued.  Congrats.

Fantastic story and find Ruben! Glad to hear you were able to work out the details and get this one release from it's hideaway.

WOW!
1 of 1 Red auto with A/C and Emissions.
Congrats!

Who said they are all gone... Not me-   Awesome find, that's just how we envision finding a car isn't it. :)

Awesome find and score Ruben!!  Glad to see another one found and saved.  Congrats!

That's a pretty neat story , thnx for sharing

Great combo, with the smog intact!

If it does get freshened up, please share the details

Congratulations !! let us know when you 'll start to work on it !

Congratulations. I dream to find one in a barn. Would be very exciting...

Patrick

CONGRATS! Way to go Ruben, nice car! glad the deal didn't keep going south that would have sucked big time. Great background info!
Enjoy!

Rick Herrera
Born and raised in San Antonio, but now live in Corpus.

congratulations ruben on your find , great story and enjoy the ride

Thanks to all! 

I'll keep this thread going with any new updates as things develop.  Today, I'll be doing some stuff to get ready for next weekend's MCA National in Houston - I can't wait!

And, as I mentioned before, if you are in the area next weekend, PLEASE come by and say, hi.  It's always great to put a face with a name...or forum handle.  ;)

Have a great Sunday!

Did you pay more than 450.00 for it? That's what I paid for my "project car" in 1982. Great find and best of luck with bringing her around!

                                                                                    -Keith

Very cool to find a Shelby time capsule. 

Trust you will document every original detail as found. And I mean overall and detail shots of everything as found and as it comes apart. If you don't have a couple of hundred photos, you didn't shoot enough.

Great Find! Great news in you being able to purchase. I have added the plate number to my list of 1967 original plates. Do you know if the hood is original to the car? I thought that the AC cars received the louvered hoods. Enjoy your amazing find.

Quote from: gt350cs on March 25, 2019, 11:31:01 AM
Great Find! Great news in you being able to purchase. I have added the plate number to my list of 1967 original plates. Do you know if the hood is original to the car? I thought that the AC cars received the louvered hoods. Enjoy your amazing find.

Thanks!

Great question, regarding the hood.  I had reached out to Dave Mathews with the same question.  He told me that not all AC cars came with louvered hoods.  And, this hood looks to be original, as it still has visible spots of the original red paint showing through, as well as what look to be original chalk markings on the underside.  I'll post pictures at a later date.

Quote from: Shelby_0022 on March 25, 2019, 01:06:01 PM

Quote from: gt350cs on March 25, 2019, 11:31:01 AM
Great Find! Great news in you being able to purchase. I have added the plate number to my list of 1967 original plates. Do you know if the hood is original to the car? I thought that the AC cars received the louvered hoods. Enjoy your amazing find.

Thanks!

Great question, regarding the hood.  I had reached out to Dave Mathews with the same question.  He told me that not all AC cars came with louvered hoods.  And, this hood looks to be original, as it still has visible spots of the original red paint showing through, as well as what look to be original chalk markings on the underside.  I'll post pictures at a later date.

Yes mistakes happen . There are other examples in 67 of a item that was originally designed and engineered to be installed on the cars didn't get down. The most logical explanation is because of supply or just plain stupidity on the part of the installer. They can sometimes be difficult to confirm if original to the car or not .

Ruben mentioned to me that the car has rear ducted brake lower scoops.  Doesn't that seem odd for a car this late?  Another example of how these cars didn't always follow the rules.

Yes, it's interesting how items / features (especially during the 67 model run) can, at times, not follow suit. To be honest, given all the running changes through that year of production, its a wonder that anything showed some type of pattern.  :)

According to the latest registry, the car was completed at San Jose on 5/15/67, completed at LAX on 6/16/67, and then shipped to Mel Burns Ford on 6/27/67.

I'm very anxious to see what other information can be had about the car - either from the family or by other means.  I'm told that there are pictures of the car from when the second owner had it, but the family is still trying to go through his belongs, so, it may take some time. 

Here are two pictures in reference to my most recent post.

The first picture shows red paint under the replacement hood pin on the passenger side.  Also, if you look at the full frontal shot of the car on Brant's blog, you can see red along front parts of the hood.

The second picture is of the chalk markings located under the hood towards the nose on the driver's side.  I have no idea what the markings mean, and would love to hear suggestions!

Id guess distributor info and timing info

Wow very,very nice.

Thanks Jim - makes sense, regarding the under hood markings.

Also, its pretty cool what you'll find going through stuff in an older car (as you all probably know).  I found the business cards pictured in a box of stuff in the car. 

I probably should know, but does anyone recognize the names / places other than Branda?

One more detail picture for today.  I took this picture of the original transverse muffler (I had to rotate the picture 180 degrees to be readable) when I inspected the car.  It looks like the exhaust is original in its entirety - from the manifolds to the tips.

Quote from: acman63 on March 25, 2019, 02:15:42 PM
Id guess distributor info and timing info

So what do you see Jim that would stand by your observations?  I can't read any of it :o

Quote from: Shelby_0022 on March 25, 2019, 09:20:05 PM
One more detail picture for today.  I took this picture of the original transverse muffler (I had to rotate the picture 180 degrees to be readable) when I inspected the car.  It looks like the exhaust is original in its entirety - from the manifolds to the tips.

Just from looking at Scott Fuller Reproduction mufflers, looks to be genuine.  Date code, engineering number, Fomoco look correct for 67.

http://www.scottfullerreproductions.com/catalog/item/4595229/7691274.htm

Quote from: BGlover67 on March 25, 2019, 01:30:02 PM
Ruben mentioned to me that the car has rear ducted brake lower scoops.  Doesn't that seem odd for a car this late?  Another example of how these cars didn't always follow the rules.

Congrats on the purchase. It looks like a great car with a lot of potential. Yes ducts to the brake scoops seem very odd for a car that late. As far as - Another example of how these cars didn't always follow the rules. I wouldn't be so quick to judgement on if it would qualify as a survivor type yardstick for a car not following the rules. There are quite a few things that have been touched under the hood at the very least. It just means that given the other mentioned peculiarities that the car bears more examination so that the true story can be determined or verified . Digging further may not be on the priority list at this time.

Quote from: BGlover67 on March 25, 2019, 01:30:02 PM
Ruben mentioned to me that the car has rear ducted brake lower scoops.  Doesn't that seem odd for a car this late?  Another example of how these cars didn't always follow the rules.

Are they stubby and blocked-off, if so that is a version used after the ducting was stopped. 

(will look for a photo to post of this version)

Quote from: 69mach351w on March 25, 2019, 09:23:50 PM

Quote from: acman63 on March 25, 2019, 02:15:42 PM
Id guess distributor info and timing info

So what do you see Jim that would stand by your observations?  I can't read any of it :o

looks like,

Tim  10 or 16
D - ?
Total 36*

thats what i see ?

Quote from: Shelby_0022 on March 25, 2019, 09:15:40 PM
I probably should know, but does anyone recognize the names / places other than Branda?

Yes most of them since most of them were located in Calif. Ford Power Parts reproduced a number of items and always had a bunch of odd/rare factory drivetrain parts.  During the 80s and 90's there were hundreds of Mustang shops around the state.

Quote from: Bob Gaines on March 25, 2019, 10:39:50 PM

Quote from: BGlover67 on March 25, 2019, 01:30:02 PM
Ruben mentioned to me that the car has rear ducted brake lower scoops.  Doesn't that seem odd for a car this late?  Another example of how these cars didn't always follow the rules.

Congrats on the purchase. It looks like a great car with a lot of potential. Yes ducts to the brake scoops seem very odd for a car that late. As far as - Another example of how these cars didn't always follow the rules. I wouldn't be so quick to judgement on if it would qualify as a survivor type yardstick for a car not following the rules. There are quite a few things that have been touched under the hood at the very least. It just means that given the other mentioned peculiarities that the car bears more examination so that the true story can be determined or verified . Digging further may not be on the priority list at this time.

Thanks for the well wishes, Bob!  I am excited about the car and uncovering what I can with a most amateur eye.  :D

I appreciate your comments about the car.  The car has certainly been touched (starting with the paint  ;)), and I would never say otherwise.  I'm most interested in sharing the current state of the car, regardless of whether it's in original condition or not.  My intent is not to validate it being a survivor, because I know it is not 100% original (I at least know that Goodyear T/As didn't come stock in 1967 ;D). 

There is a lot of originality that I personally have never seen before (although, I have not seen as many Shelbys as others).  Most importantly, it's a car that was unknown to the Shelby / Mustang community upon initial purchase; which is why transparency is so important to me.

I can't speak for others, but I can say that my efforts to share are just that: to share.  The car is what it is, and I'm excited, regardless of what I find.  :)

Quote from: JD on March 25, 2019, 11:18:44 PM

Quote from: BGlover67 on March 25, 2019, 01:30:02 PM
Ruben mentioned to me that the car has rear ducted brake lower scoops.  Doesn't that seem odd for a car this late?  Another example of how these cars didn't always follow the rules.

Are they stubby and blocked-off, if so that is a version used after the ducting was stopped. 

(will look for a photo to post of this version)

Thanks JD!  This is extremely helpful.

I just looked, and the holes are not blocked off (and, I'm guessing that by "stubby", you mean the hole where the hose would go, correct?).  I can see the hose exit into the front of the rear wheel wells on both sides.  I also took some safety wire and started to fish it into the scoop hole (I was going to put my fingers down there, but there are spiders all about the car ;D), and I stopped after I had about a foot of wire into the scoop hole, as I didn't want to inadvertently put a hole in the hose connecting the scoop to the rear fender wells.

Let me know if I'm assessing this correctly - thanks again!

Quote from: Shelby_0022 on March 25, 2019, 11:52:07 PM

I just looked, and the holes are not blocked off (and, I'm guessing that by "stubby", you mean the hole where the hose would go, correct?).  I can see the hose exit into the front of the rear wheel wells on both sides.  I also took some safety wire and started to fish it into the scoop hole (I was going to put my fingers down there, but there are spiders all about the car ;D), and I stopped after I had about a foot of wire into the scoop hole, as I didn't want to inadvertently put a hole in the hose connecting the scoop to the rear fender wells.

Let me know if I'm assessing this correctly - thanks again!

OK, sounds like maybe someone added them later?? Opened the end of the blocked-off stub end and then added the duct and rear wheel well flange??? 

So does the rear wheel well flange look like what you have on #22?

Break out a cigar and blow some smoke in the duct and see if it comes out in the rear wheel well - might kill some spiders on the way or maybe just chase them out!  Or shine a light.

Can you post a photo of inside the rear wheel well duct opening?

get down there RB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e6f3OunW8Q

Quote from: acman63 on March 26, 2019, 10:51:11 PM
get down there RB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e6f3OunW8Q

Haha

Good one, Jim...LOL  ;D.

Thanks JD for the insight!  Here is a picture of the driver's side opening in the forward part of the wheel well.

I had an amazing time this weekend at the Houston MCA National. And, response to the car was incredible.

Many, many thanks to Steve Sloan for all his help, and his incredible friendship!  :D

More car pics and info to come!

Quote from: 6s2020 on March 25, 2019, 11:22:36 PM

Quote from: 69mach351w on March 25, 2019, 09:23:50 PM

Quote from: acman63 on March 25, 2019, 02:15:42 PM
Id guess distributor info and timing info

So what do you see Jim that would stand by your observations?  I can't read any of it :o

looks like,

Tim  10 or 16

I saw what looked like a degree mark and what you posted makes sense
D - ?
Total 36*

thats what i see ?

Quote from: Shelby_0022 on March 25, 2019, 09:15:40 PM
Thanks Jim - makes sense, regarding the under hood markings.

Also, its pretty cool what you'll find going through stuff in an older car (as you all probably know).  I found the business cards pictured in a box of stuff in the car. 

I probably should know, but does anyone recognize the names / places other than Branda?

Rick and Barbara (alias BABRIC)   made a lot of repo parts back in the day,  Ron Miller ran Ford power parts - mostly big block engines,  Pete B  was the SAAC rep in Nevada and more famous  for bringing his wife to conventions with her hot pants and nylons,  Dirk G  is a long time SAAC guy and currently on SAACs  BOD

Well, I had a FANTASTIC time at the Houston MCA National this past weekend.  As promised, I brought #2666 for her debut. 

The response was incredible, and it was great to attend a show without having to bring (or use) any cleaning supplies  ;)

Below are some pictures from the event.  The final picture is of my partner in crime behind the wheel, Steve Sloan!  Truly, none of this would have been possible (nor as much fun) if it wasn't for Steve's help / efforts.  A great time was had by all; and many, many thanks, Steve!

Next steps: cleaning and documenting #2666.  Let the fun...ah...continue! 

Nice photos, looks like a good debut.

Get some of 22 and 2666 together - the extremes.

A quick update - I started cleaning the car and going through some of the paperwork. 

Attached are pictures of the earliest and latest registrations I found for the car.  The first is from 1972 from the first owner, Daniel Mejia.  The second is from his cousin (the second owner) Robert Mejia.  Note that the Black Plate sticker is still attached to the 2014 registration.  It's amazing that Robert kept the car's registration current for all the years he didn't drive the car.

Great documentation Ruben!
I bet you will find more when the interior is removed.
Well done in the sale of #22 and the purchase of this rare find!
Great meeting you at Mecum.
Ron

Thanks Ron!  And, it was great meeting you as well.  :D

I started a very quick cleanup on the belly using prep solvent, and it's incredible to see the condition of the belly, as well as much of the original over sprays!

Much more cleaning to come.  :D

Its really interesting to me seeing the red body over spray shot over the "red" oxide (AKA, orange).

Its really cool to see the original drip marks on the belly as well.

A few more reference pictures:

- What looks to be the original AC compressor
- Original Cobra Intake
- The original / correct harmonic balancer for a HiPo AC car

Thanks!

Quote from: Shelby_0022 on April 12, 2019, 09:52:08 AM
A few more reference pictures:

- What looks to be the original AC compressor
- Original Cobra Intake
- The original / correct harmonic balancer for a HiPo AC car

Thanks!

Compressor looks original but the the clutch may have been changed out . The brush type is more typical for these cars .

Does the block have a C5 or a C8 casting number?

Quote from: acman63 on April 01, 2019, 06:03:46 PM

Quote from: Shelby_0022 on March 25, 2019, 09:15:40 PM
Thanks Jim - makes sense, regarding the under hood markings.

Also, its pretty cool what you'll find going through stuff in an older car (as you all probably know).  I found the business cards pictured in a box of stuff in the car. 

I probably should know, but does anyone recognize the names / places other than Branda?

Rick and Barbara (alias BABRIC)   made a lot of repo parts back in the day,  Ron Miller ran Ford power parts - mostly big block engines,  Pete B  was the SAAC rep in Nevada and more famous  for bringing his wife to conventions with her hot pants and nylons,  Dirk G  is a long time SAAC guy and currently on SAACs  BOD

LOL!!!

I bought a 68 GT 350 a couple years ago and that was sitting for years...

I found some photos under the driver's seat of a previous owner's girlfriend.

You can use your imagination....

Quote from: capecodmustang.com on April 13, 2019, 09:41:03 AM
I bought a 68 GT 350 a couple years ago and that was sitting for years...

I found some photos under the driver's seat of a previous owner's girlfriend.

You can use your imagination....

Prom pictures?

Quote from: BGlover67 on April 13, 2019, 12:10:00 PM

Quote from: capecodmustang.com on April 13, 2019, 09:41:03 AM
I bought a 68 GT 350 a couple years ago and that was sitting for years...

I found some photos under the driver's seat of a previous owner's girlfriend.

You can use your imagination....

Prom pictures?

Hum? Is she ugly? We understand that she was naked, but is she worth looking at?  8)

Actually she was hot....

Probably 20 years old....

Quote from: capecodmustang.com on April 13, 2019, 01:54:32 PM
Actually she was hot....

Probably 20 years old....

Let's just say that this particular piece of documentation didn't go to the new owner... ;D

 

Quote from: Shelby_0022 on April 13, 2019, 02:35:34 PM

Quote from: capecodmustang.com on April 13, 2019, 01:54:32 PM
Actually she was hot....

Probably 20 years old....

Let's just say that this particular piece of documentation didn't go to the new owner... ;D

;D

Here's a shot of the rear end tag, as well as the transmission tag.  :)

I remember helping judge the 67s (I carried the clipboard  ;D) at SAAC 42.  During inspection of the first car, Bob Gaines pointed out that there should be thick safety wire on the front brake calipers.  Almost all the cars had points deducted (in fact, I think they all did) for either not having safety wire at all, or having thin gauged safety wire.

Well, its cool to see the real thing in person.  And, Bob was right - it almost looks like bailing wire.

  I'm not buying the "all 67 Shelbys had the front capliers safety wired" thing.  Yes, I got busted for not having it but, the original caliper mountting bolts were not drilled for saftey wire.  AND THEN, my unrestored 67 GTA built 3 weeks later has no holes in the caliper mpunting bolts either.  Nobody when servicing the brakes was deliberatly changing the caliper bolts back then.
 

Quote from: roddster on April 30, 2019, 09:44:19 AM
  I'm not buying the "all 67 Shelbys had the front capliers safety wired" thing.  Yes, I got busted for not having it but, the original caliper mountting bolts were not drilled for saftey wire.  AND THEN, my unrestored 67 GTA built 3 weeks later has no holes in the caliper mpunting bolts either.  Nobody when servicing the brakes was deliberatly changing the caliper bolts back then.

Interesting.  I wonder if the brake caliper safety wire was part of an early 67 versus later 67 change.  I don't recall if #22 had safety wire holes or not, and of course, #2666 is a later car.

Thanks!  :)

I'd guess that is a production line installation. I'd speculate that few mechanics would replace the wire while doing a brake job on the car.

As a teen I learned never to  ask about something like that. I got yelled at "bull shi.!" too many times and had too many wrenches thrown at me.

It's my own fault for hanging too closely to the think tank societies of the era?

That is sdome pretty thick stuff used for that safety wire. Maybe its just the zoom or angle but agreed bailing wire with the coating is what was used. 

Not to take us too far off the OPs focus and thread but here some other 67 San Jose safety wire examples from


December 66  Early caliper style
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-160315212221.jpeg)


Approx Jan 67
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/12/6-300419132337.jpeg)


April 67
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/12/6-300419132352.jpeg)


Likely have more - these were just handy and in the Safety wire side directory of the picture collection

Quote from: J_Speegle on April 30, 2019, 01:27:43 PM
That is sdome pretty thick stuff used for that safety wire. Maybe its just the zoom or angle but agreed bailing wire with the coating is what was used. 

Not to take us too far off the OPs focus and thread but here some other 67 San Jose safety wire examples from


December 66  Early caliper style
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-160315212221.jpeg)


Approx Jan 67
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/12/6-300419132337.jpeg)


April 67
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/12/6-300419132352.jpeg)


Likely have more - these were just handy and in the Safety wire side directory of the picture collection

That thickness looks typical to me. Many times I have judges cars that restorers will use a thinner gauge stainless safety wire that is both the wrong finish and different gauge.

Quote from: Shelby_0022 on April 30, 2019, 12:11:16 AM
I remember helping judge the 67s (I carried the clipboard  ;D) at SAAC 42.  During inspection of the first car, Bob Gaines pointed out that there should be thick safety wire on the front brake calipers.  Almost all the cars had points deducted (in fact, I think they all did) for either not having safety wire at all, or having thin gauged safety wire.

Well, its cool to see the real thing in person.  And, Bob was right - it almost looks like bailing wire.

Ruben, a little bit of knowledge can be dangerous if taken out of context. In the case where you helped judge for example there were no very early cars being judged . That is why the safety wire was expected . The bolts with empty holes was another easy tell  ;) . The safety wire was a early late thing in 67. The bolts transitioned from those that were solid like 65/66 to others that had the holes for safety wire. You better be careful because it reads like roddsters head was getting ready to explode. ;D We wouldn't want that to happen and even though he is a pain in the behind I would miss him none the less.  :D  :D

The car in my sig has, I believe,  the original assembly line calipers, single crimp hoses and  "square cutout and round hole" rotors.
The left side has "no-hole" bolts. They have the multi-cuts in the head.
The right side has "multi-hole" bolts and no safety wire.

I can't find definitive data on K/H date codes for 67 calipers.

Quote from: Bossbill on April 30, 2019, 02:36:29 PM
The car in my sig has, I believe,  the original assembly line calipers, single crimp hoses and  "square cutout and round hole" rotors.
The left side has "no-hole" bolts. They have the multi-cuts in the head.
The right side has "multi-hole" bolts and no safety wire.

I can't find definitive data on K/H date codes for 67 calipers.

Given where the car is in production I would error on the side of caution and match up the calipers with the typical safety wire designed bolt if it were my car.  At this time missing safety wire or incorrect fasteners on a later production 67 car would be a deduction in concours until more definitive information is brought to light to suggest otherwise. Of course anomalous things are looked at with back up reasonable back up documentation on a case by case basis.

Even though I'm fairly certain it came this way it's an interesting oddity that cannot be proven.

I'm fairly used to the refrain of "great claims require great proof" so I'll punt and find a few more bolts and safety wire them.

See, I am learning ...

Quote from: Bossbill on April 30, 2019, 09:48:27 PM
Even though I'm fairly certain it came this way it's an interesting oddity that cannot be proven.

I'm fairly used to the refrain of "great claims require great proof" so I'll punt and find a few more bolts and safety wire them.

See, I am learning ...

Here's the problem. That's not how safety wire is supposed to be installed. In fact, every case that I have seen that is original, the wiring does nothing. So really all you are doing is appeasing an audience by reinstalling it.

You can actually encourage the bolt to loosen by installing it backwards. Bolts pulling counterclockwise against each other will loosen.

Technically, if you install the safety wire correctly, it should be a points deduction. So it's another one of those dilemmas.  Actually I knew him. Sal Dilemma. We went to HS together.  ;D

^^

It's funny - the pigtail on the safety wire end is really well twisted; yet, the installation of the safety wire is almost useless on #2666. 

That safety wire job would have NEVER passed inspection when I was an aircraft mechanic in the Air Force!  ;)

   Actually, installing the safety wire is one of the most fun operations I have every done on my Shelby (except dumping the clutch on the last yellow at the strip).  Harbor freight has the spinner tool, and now I have to go on a world wide search for the correct gauge and type of wire....My head exploded long ago.

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on April 30, 2019, 11:55:55 AM

Quote from: roddster on April 30, 2019, 09:44:19 AM
  I'm not buying the "all 67 Shelbys had the front capliers safety wired" thing.  Yes, I got busted for not having it but, the original caliper mountting bolts were not drilled for saftey wire.  AND THEN, my unrestored 67 GTA built 3 weeks later has no holes in the caliper mpunting bolts either.  Nobody when servicing the brakes was deliberatly changing the caliper bolts back then.

Interesting.  I wonder if the brake caliper safety wire was part of an early 67 versus later 67 change.  I don't recall if #22 had safety wire holes or not, and of course, #2666 is a later car.

Thanks!  :)

I'm by no mean the right person to take a stance here, but I have to wonder if this was a safely recall or a service bulletin notice to dealers. It might explain some of the safety wire size differences and why some cars have it while others don't. I would agree that a service tech would not likely replace caliper bolts while doing a brake pads/rotors replacement, back then or today, unless directed to do so. Were there any other Ford cars known to have this done in the late 60's or early 70's? 

Here's a picture of the Power Steering Pulley - looks to be stamped "7AC"

Also, it looks like the upper control arms could be original, as they are riveted (the waffle imprint) versus bolted / screwed.

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on May 01, 2019, 02:10:29 PM
Also, it looks like the upper control arms could be original, as they are riveted (the waffle imprint) versus bolted / screwed.

Uh nope. Those are the later three rivet rather than the four rivet version that was originally used in 67. So the shape and design of the whole thing are different

All 67's I have seen have holes and a hollow head for safety wire. Be sure to use stainless wire.  I guess it would be fine if you were doing two calipers, but when you have to do it on all the rocker covers on a Pratt & Whitney R2800 it's no fun I assure you!  ;D ;D

Quote from: Richstang on May 01, 2019, 11:35:49 AM
I'm by no mean the right person to take a stance here, but I have to wonder if this was a safely recall or a service bulletin notice to dealers. It might explain some of the safety wire size differences and why some cars have it while others don't. ..............

Not aware of one. Have lists from the National data base as well as a collection of Ford campaigns. Sure it was a safety issue so it would be the first thing multiple inspectors would have checked over and over. Ford claimed one in ten line employees was an inspector.

And no fancy safety wire pliers back in the day ;)  Jagged ends will grab any rag or cloth in the area and tear the skin if given a chance   

Quote from: J_Speegle on May 01, 2019, 04:47:31 PM

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on May 01, 2019, 02:10:29 PM
Also, it looks like the upper control arms could be original, as they are riveted (the waffle imprint) versus bolted / screwed.

Uh nope. Those are the later three rivet rather than the four rivet version that was originally used in 67. So the shape and design of the whole thing are different

You learn something new every day.  Thanks!  :)

...the silly side of me wanted to respond with "Uh yup!"  But, I know better  ;)

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on April 30, 2019, 12:11:16 AM
I remember helping judge the 67s (I carried the clipboard  ;D) at SAAC 42.  During inspection of the first car, Bob Gaines pointed out that there should be thick safety wire on the front brake calipers.  Almost all the cars had points deducted (in fact, I think they all did) for either not having safety wire at all, or having thin gauged safety wire.

Well, its cool to see the real thing in person.  And, Bob was right - it almost looks like bailing wire.

It is clear that the brakes were worked on at some point especially after seeing the control arms have been replaced with more current service replacement arms.  I noticed, but didn't want to say anything that the brake hose in the picture is a double crimp replacement as opposed to the original single crimp and it also appears that the spindle may be painted black, which is supposed to be unpainted from the factory.  I would bet the safety wire is an old coat hanger someone used when putting it back together.

It looks like the power steering hose has been replaced with a newer double crimp also.  Replacement parts and repairs are expected since the car is 52 years old.  It is rare to see a completely untouched car now a days. 

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on April 30, 2019, 12:11:16 AM
I remember helping judge the 67s (I carried the clipboard  ;D) at SAAC 42.  During inspection of the first car, Bob Gaines pointed out that there should be thick safety wire on the front brake calipers.  Almost all the cars had points deducted (in fact, I think they all did) for either not having safety wire at all, or having thin gauged safety wire.

Well, its cool to see the real thing in person.  And, Bob was right - it almost looks like bailing wire.

I must have missed that picture before otherwise I would have commented on how thick it looks. I don't think that is factory. Typical bailing wire is thinner. I get it at the Tractor Supply but many hardware stores carry it.

Quote from: roddster on May 01, 2019, 09:51:24 AM
   Actually, installing the safety wire is one of the most fun operations I have every done on my Shelby (except dumping the clutch on the last yellow at the strip).  Harbor freight has the spinner tool, and now I have to go on a world wide search for the correct gauge and type of wire....My head exploded long ago.

LOL!  ;D

Quote from: 1967 eight barrel on May 01, 2019, 04:48:51 PM
but when you have to do it on all the rocker covers on a Pratt & Whitney R2800 it's no fun I assure you!  ;D ;D

     Could have been worse, it could have been an P.W. R4360!     ::)

     Scott.

     (And yes, I realize the apparent discontinuation of wire tying on this model.)

Quote from: George Schalk on May 01, 2019, 09:19:38 PM

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on April 30, 2019, 12:11:16 AM
I remember helping judge the 67s (I carried the clipboard  ;D) at SAAC 42.  During inspection of the first car, Bob Gaines pointed out that there should be thick safety wire on the front brake calipers.  Almost all the cars had points deducted (in fact, I think they all did) for either not having safety wire at all, or having thin gauged safety wire.

Well, its cool to see the real thing in person.  And, Bob was right - it almost looks like bailing wire.

It is clear that the brakes were worked on at some point especially after seeing the control arms have been replaced with more current service replacement arms.  I noticed, but didn't want to say anything that the brake hose in the picture is a double crimp replacement as opposed to the original single crimp and it also appears that the spindle may be painted black, which is supposed to be unpainted from the factory.  I would bet the safety wire is an old coat hanger someone used when putting it back together.

It looks like the power steering hose has been replaced with a newer double crimp also.  Replacement parts and repairs are expected since the car is 52 years old.  It is rare to see a completely untouched car now a days.

I wanted to remind those reading that information gleaned from comments should not be taken out of context. For instance the 67-70 GT500 upper pressure P/S  hoses were double crimped . The 67/68 Shelby GT350 unique upper pressure hose was single crimped. I envisioned GT500 readers looking at their hoses and thinking that they may be wrong.

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on April 30, 2019, 12:11:16 AM
I must have missed that picture before otherwise I would have commented on how thick it looks. I don't think that is factory. Typical bailing wire is thinner. I get it at the Tractor Supply but many hardware stores carry it.

I thought it was about the thickness of wire that I had seen. It was missing on my '67 when I got it but it was still on my '68.

There is a 12 gauge wire that is used for hanging suspended ceiling track systems. It is made so that you can twist it to adjust the length of the wire, to raise or lower the tracks to level it. It's about the gauge that you want for the brake safety wire.

You can get it at Lowes or Home Depot in the ceiling section. It should be fine for this application.

Is this a car you are selling or planning on keeping?   

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 02, 2019, 07:35:02 PM

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on April 30, 2019, 12:11:16 AM
I must have missed that picture before otherwise I would have commented on how thick it looks. I don't think that is factory. Typical bailing wire is thinner. I get it at the Tractor Supply but many hardware stores carry it.

I thought it was about the thickness of wire that I had seen. It was missing on my '67 when I got it but it was still on my '68.

There is a 12 gauge wire that is used for hanging suspended ceiling track systems. It is made so that you can twist it to adjust the length of the wire, to raise or lower the tracks to level it. It's about the gauge that you want for the brake safety wire.

You can get it at Lowes or Home Depot in the ceiling section. It should be fine for this application.

You went and did it. You made me get up off my  ---  chair ;) and look . 12 gauge is too thick. I just double checked my spool of wire and it is 16 gauge . That is common bailing wire which looks identical to what was used on the assemblyline from my observations on original cars 67-70 Shelby

Agree Bob.  This looks like a total sell job post to me.  Blow the car up to flip and get big money for it. Its just a 289 auto.   Not a big deal.  Now if it was a 4spd a/c then different story

Quote from: Bob Gaines on May 04, 2019, 04:51:47 PM

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 02, 2019, 07:35:02 PM

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on April 30, 2019, 12:11:16 AM
I must have missed that picture before otherwise I would have commented on how thick it looks. I don't think that is factory. Typical bailing wire is thinner. I get it at the Tractor Supply but many hardware stores carry it.

I thought it was about the thickness of wire that I had seen. It was missing on my '67 when I got it but it was still on my '68.

There is a 12 gauge wire that is used for hanging suspended ceiling track systems. It is made so that you can twist it to adjust the length of the wire, to raise or lower the tracks to level it. It's about the gauge that you want for the brake safety wire.

You can get it at Lowes or Home Depot in the ceiling section. It should be fine for this application.

You went and did it. You made me get up off my  ---  chair ;) and look . 12 gauge is too thick. I just double checked my spool of wire and it is 16 gauge . That is common bailing wire which looks identical to what was used on the assemblyline from my observations on original cars 67-70 Shelby

Rueben...    are you selling or flipping?

Quote from: 64cobra on May 04, 2019, 04:58:46 PM
Agree Bob.  This looks like a total sell job post to me.  Blow the car up to flip and get big money for it. Its just a 289 auto.   Not a big deal.  Now if it was a 4spd a/c then different story

Quote from: Bob Gaines on May 04, 2019, 04:51:47 PM

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 02, 2019, 07:35:02 PM

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on April 30, 2019, 12:11:16 AM
I must have missed that picture before otherwise I would have commented on how thick it looks. I don't think that is factory. Typical bailing wire is thinner. I get it at the Tractor Supply but many hardware stores carry it.

I thought it was about the thickness of wire that I had seen. It was missing on my '67 when I got it but it was still on my '68.

There is a 12 gauge wire that is used for hanging suspended ceiling track systems. It is made so that you can twist it to adjust the length of the wire, to raise or lower the tracks to level it. It's about the gauge that you want for the brake safety wire.

You can get it at Lowes or Home Depot in the ceiling section. It should be fine for this application.

You went and did it. You made me get up off my  ---  chair ;) and look . 12 gauge is too thick. I just double checked my spool of wire and it is 16 gauge . That is common bailing wire which looks identical to what was used on the assemblyline from my observations on original cars 67-70 Shelby

Guess we all know the story.   Lets blow the car up as a 1 of 1 then miracuously it comes up for sale.



uote author=64cobra link=topic=5311.msg49286#msg49286 date=1557004322]
Rueben...    are you selling or flipping?

Quote from: 64cobra on May 04, 2019, 04:58:46 PM
Agree Bob.  This looks like a total sell job post to me.  Blow the car up to flip and get big money for it. Its just a 289 auto.   Not a big deal.  Now if it was a 4spd a/c then different story

Quote from: Bob Gaines on May 04, 2019, 04:51:47 PM

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 02, 2019, 07:35:02 PM

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on April 30, 2019, 12:11:16 AM
I must have missed that picture before otherwise I would have commented on how thick it looks. I don't think that is factory. Typical bailing wire is thinner. I get it at the Tractor Supply but many hardware stores carry it.

I thought it was about the thickness of wire that I had seen. It was missing on my '67 when I got it but it was still on my '68.

There is a 12 gauge wire that is used for hanging suspended ceiling track systems. It is made so that you can twist it to adjust the length of the wire, to raise or lower the tracks to level it. It's about the gauge that you want for the brake safety wire.

You can get it at Lowes or Home Depot in the ceiling section. It should be fine for this application.

You went and did it. You made me get up off my  ---  chair ;) and look . 12 gauge is too thick. I just double checked my spool of wire and it is 16 gauge . That is common bailing wire which looks identical to what was used on the assemblyline from my observations on original cars 67-70 Shelby

[/quote]

I love standards -- because there are so many of them!

I measured my bailing wire and it turns out to be 15 ga. Approximately 0.0575".
16 ga. wire is 0.0508.
Both sizes are per "AMERICAN or BROWN AND SHARP DIAMETER"  stds:
https://www.pyromation.com/Catalog/W03.pdf

I don't think most humans can see the difference. But I've seen Bob on the concours field and I think he could!

Quote from: Bob Gaines on May 04, 2019, 04:51:47 PM

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 02, 2019, 07:35:02 PM

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on April 30, 2019, 12:11:16 AM
I must have missed that picture before otherwise I would have commented on how thick it looks. I don't think that is factory. Typical bailing wire is thinner. I get it at the Tractor Supply but many hardware stores carry it.

I thought it was about the thickness of wire that I had seen. It was missing on my '67 when I got it but it was still on my '68.

There is a 12 gauge wire that is used for hanging suspended ceiling track systems. It is made so that you can twist it to adjust the length of the wire, to raise or lower the tracks to level it. It's about the gauge that you want for the brake safety wire.

You can get it at Lowes or Home Depot in the ceiling section. It should be fine for this application.

You went and did it. You made me get up off my  ---  chair ;) and look . 12 gauge is too thick. I just double checked my spool of wire and it is 16 gauge . That is common bailing wire which looks identical to what was used on the assemblyline from my observations on original cars 67-70 Shelby

Oh geeze! Break out the calipers!
;D

Quote from: Bossbill on May 04, 2019, 06:44:06 PM
I love standards -- because there are so many of them!

I measured my bailing wire and it turns out to be 15 ga. Approximately 0.0575".
16 ga. wire is 0.0508.
Both sizes are per "AMERICAN or BROWN AND SHARP DIAMETER"  stds:
https://www.pyromation.com/Catalog/W03.pdf

I don't think most humans can see the difference. But I've seen Bob on the concours field and I think he could!

Quite the lively conversation about safety wire!  Gotta love the details.  ;)

What is the concourse correct finish on bailing wire?  ;D

QSS

Quote from: QuickSilverShelby on May 05, 2019, 10:08:44 AM
What is the concourse correct finish on bailing wire?  ;D

QSS

RUST!  :o

I'm stuck between phosphate and oil (PO) or Boeshield.
The temperature of the phosphate bath may affect the molecular structure of the wire rendering it brittle.
But Boeshield may be too shiny.

Decisions, decisions...  ;)

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 05, 2019, 10:15:41 AM

Quote from: QuickSilverShelby on May 05, 2019, 10:08:44 AM
What is the concourse correct finish on bailing wire?  ;D

QSS

RUST!  :o

LOL!!!  I would have to agree, even leaving LAX.  ;D

Quote from: QuickSilverShelby on May 05, 2019, 10:08:44 AM
What is the concourse correct finish on bailing wire?  ;D

Believed it was/is annealed. Last time I purchased it that how it was coated even today.  A coat of protective oil will help keep it that way over time.

Quote from: Bossbill on May 05, 2019, 01:39:27 PM
I'm stuck between phosphate and oil (PO) or Boeshield.
The temperature of the phosphate bath may affect the molecular structure of the wire rendering it brittle.
But Boeshield may be too shiny.

Decisions, decisions...  ;)

Won't the coating change the thickness of the wire?

Ruben
I would be interested in purchasing the '67 if it is for sale.
In your original post you stated...incredibly original / rust free, and is believed to have 10,454 original miles.
It definitely looks pretty rust free from your posted pictures but can any proof of the mileage be provided??
How does the carpet wear look or pedal wear look with the low mileage?  Has any front end damage or evidence of a crash been discovered due to the A arms being replaced.
Just a few questions if the car is For Sale.
Thanks
Kerry

Hey Kerry-

Did you buy the car?




quote author=KerryBWhite link=topic=5311.msg49355#msg49355 date=1557095798]
Ruben
I would be interested in purchasing the '67 if it is for sale.
In your original post you stated...incredibly original / rust free, and is believed to have 10,454 original miles.
It definitely looks pretty rust free from your posted pictures but can any proof of the mileage be provided??
How does the carpet wear look or pedal wear look with the low mileage?  Has any front end damage or evidence of a crash been discovered due to the A arms being replaced.
Just a few questions if the car is For Sale.
Thanks
Kerry
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Darren, Darren...you just can't stay away, can you? I can see you have a great interest in all I do, and I'm faltered.  ;D

I was going to wait for you to respond incoherently to yourself 3 times in a row, but I thought I would save you the key strokes and let you know that no, the car is not sold.

As with car #22, you're welcome to reach me directly anytime. Or, you can continue to try and stir the pot via the forum. I for one enjoy your random insertions. But, I'm guessing it's tiring to others, as no one responded to your previous posts on this thread. And, the responses to your posts on the #22 thread didn't go so well for you.

Unfortunately, you seem to embody all that is a miss with this forum at times. The first version of the forum was a great resource where personal attacks weren't permitted (especially unjustified). And, now it's degenerated at times into people like yourself coming on and taking grade school shots at others for absolutely no reason.

Do yourself and the rest of us a favor - keep your personal comments about me to yourself. You only make yourself look bad in the process, as well as discourage others who are new to the forum.  And, if your past posts are any indicator of future responses, well, we'll see.

To the rest of the forum, I've said my piece on this subject. I will not respond to Darren Longhofer (64cobra) anymore. It's simply a waste of time. Nor, will I let him squelch my passion for these amazing cars. 👍🏻

Let's keep it fun, light and educational.  ;)

Peace!

Thanks Rueben for confirming that this whole thread is about you trying to sell this car.  Just like #22 you are not honest at all.  Unfortunate for all of us.   Take care. 

quote author=Shelby_r_b link=topic=5311.msg49895#msg49895 date=1557277607]
Darren, Darren...you just can't stay away, can you? I can see you have a great interest in all I do, and I'm faltered.  ;D

I was going to wait for you to respond incoherently to yourself 3 times in a row, but I thought I would save you the key strokes and let you know that no, the car is not sold.

As with car #22, you're welcome to reach me directly anytime. Or, you can continue to try and stir the pot via the forum. I for one enjoy your random insertions. But, I'm guessing it's tiring to others, as no one responded to your previous posts on this thread. And, the responses to your posts on the #22 thread didn't go so well for you.

Unfortunately, you seem to embody all that is a miss with this forum at times. The first version of the forum was a great resource where personal attacks weren't permitted (especially unjustified). And, now it's degenerated at times into people like yourself coming on and taking grade school shots at others for absolutely no reason.

Do yourself and the rest of us a favor - keep your personal comments about me to yourself. You only make yourself look bad in the process, as well as discourage others who are new to the forum.  And, if your past posts are any indicator of future responses, well, we'll see.

To the rest of the forum, I've said my piece on this subject. I will not respond to Darren Longhofer (64cobra) anymore. It's simply a waste of time. Nor, will I let him squelch my passion for these amazing cars. 👍🏻

Let's keep it fun, light and educational.  ;)

Peace!
[/quote]

Getting this thread back on track...which involves sharing the car and findings...

I took a shot tonight that I thought was pretty cool.  I removed the power steering dip stick, and it's really neat to see all the patina (and gunk!) on the handle of the stick (the outside / exposed area).  But, when you remove the stick from the P/S pump, the rest of the stick looks incredibly well preserved.

Again, I'm not an expert, and this might not be an original dip stick, but to me, it sure looks cool!  :D

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on May 14, 2019, 11:13:29 PM
............. this might not be an original dip stick, but to me, it sure looks cool!  :D

For 67 the curled end of the dip stick will typically have the information stamped in as shown below

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/12/6-140519233820.jpeg)

Another couple of views...

Thanks guys!  I took another (AKA better) picture of the stick from the side.  I also cleaned up the top, and you can see the writing that you both referenced.   :D

Happy Birthday to #2666! I just got my Deluxe Marti Report today, and subsequently found that the car was completed exactly 52 years ago today.

Crazy.  :D

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on May 15, 2019, 11:18:13 PM
Happy Birthday to #2666! I just got my Deluxe Marti Report today, and subsequently found that the car was completed exactly 52 years ago today.

Crazy.  :D

5/15 is the San Jose build date

6/16 is the completion date from Shelby American

(it has another birthday next month)
;D

Nice!  Thanks as always, Rich!  :)

She's on her way! I'm having a local shop get her running. I can't wait!  :)

This picture was taken a week ago, and the shop has already completed their initial assessment. The engine compression looks good, and they used a battery to have her turn over; which she did. The electrical looks good with the exception of the taillight harnesses. And, as expected, the fuel and brakes need to be sorted. As they said, "Pulling the fuel sender out of the tank was like trying to remove a stick from the La Brea Tar Pits"; which actually made me laugh out loud!  ;D

More to come! 👍🏻

As they said in "Young Frankenstein" It's Alive!!!!  ;D

I just got word from the shop that's getting her running - today, she started and turned over right way!  No knocking or sputtering nor backfiring... they said she sounded good.  And, they were surprised that she didn't smoke and that there wasn't a bunch of stuff flying out the exhaust once she fired.  I had visions of small animal remains coming through  ;)

And, it was fun to hear them describe the sound of the lifters, as well as the stock exhaust.  I cannot wait to hear her run first hand!  More to come.

Man, is this awesome!!

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on June 04, 2019, 05:43:13 PM
As they said in "Young Frankenstein" It's Alive!!!!  ;D

I just got word from the shop that's getting her running - today, she started and turned over right way!  No knocking or sputtering nor backfiring... they said she sounded good.  And, they were surprised that she didn't smoke and that there wasn't a bunch of stuff flying out the exhaust once she fired.  I had visions of small animal remains coming through  ;)

And, it was fun to hear them describe the sound of the lifters, as well as the stock exhaust.  I cannot wait to hear her run first hand!  More to come.

Man, is this awesome!!

that is kool, congratulations!

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on June 04, 2019, 05:43:13 PM
As they said in "Young Frankenstein" It's Alive!!!!  ;D

I just got word from the shop that's getting her running - today, she started and turned over right way!  No knocking or sputtering nor backfiring... they said she sounded good.  And, they were surprised that she didn't smoke and that there wasn't a bunch of stuff flying out the exhaust once she fired.  I had visions of small animal remains coming through  ;)

And, it was fun to hear them describe the sound of the lifters, as well as the stock exhaust.  I cannot wait to hear her run first hand!  More to come.

Man, is this awesome!!

That is great Ruben.  More fun to come driving down the road.

Great to hear and congrat's to all involved.

Thanks to all!

Greek - it was fantastic meeting you this past weekend.  And, I'm so glad you were able to see the car in person.  Truly, it's the relationships that make the hobby what it is. :)

It was great to meet you as well and see the car in person.  Up close you can really see what the previous owners did to personalize the car.

Latest update: the fuel system has been sorted and they are waiting on the fuel pump to carb hard line.

I stopped by to drop off a wiring harness, and snapped a few quick pictures.

Picture 1 - here she is up on the lift
Picture 2 - the new gas tank and sending unit are now installed
Picture 3 - the shop owner pointed out where you could still see old remnants of the side stripes on the front fender (circled in red). Pretty cool!

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on June 08, 2019, 02:44:46 PM
Latest update: the fuel system has been sorted and they are waiting on the fuel pump to carb hard line.

I stopped by to drop off a wiring harness, and snapped a few quick pictures.

Picture 1 - here she is up on the lift
Picture 2 - the new gas tank and sending unit are now installed
Picture 3 - the shop owner pointed out where you could still see old remnants of the side stripes on the front fender (circled in red). Pretty cool!

Are you going to keep the air shocks  ;) .

Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 08, 2019, 03:58:45 PM

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on June 08, 2019, 02:44:46 PM
Latest update: the fuel system has been sorted and they are waiting on the fuel pump to carb hard line.

I stopped by to drop off a wiring harness, and snapped a few quick pictures.

Picture 1 - here she is up on the lift
Picture 2 - the new gas tank and sending unit are now installed
Picture 3 - the shop owner pointed out where you could still see old remnants of the side stripes on the front fender (circled in red). Pretty cool!

Are you going to keep the air shocks  ;) .

LOL!!! Yeah, those are going bye-bye  ;D

Ruben thanks for the update and glad to hear it's closer to moving on its' own..

I noticed in the image of the new gas tank the car still has the shipping tie-down brackets and I'm curious if it has the square corner or the round corner version. 

(there has been some discussion in the past on the old crashed forum regarding these which were supposed to be removed by the dealers as part of the new car prep' and return to Ford for re-use and there was a money in this for the dealer but many never bothered.)

Not trying to start anything just curious what is on the car.  Next time you are visiting could you look and let us know?

Thanks, JD

See attached section of Marcus Anghel's paper on these (one of a number he has researched and shared - great stuff)

Quote from: JD on June 08, 2019, 06:12:44 PM
Ruben thanks for the update and glad to hear it's closer to moving on its' own..

I noticed in the image of the new gas tank the car still has the shipping tie-down brackets and I'm curious if it has the square corner or the round corner version. 

(there has been some discussion in the past on the old crashed forum regarding these which were supposed to be removed by the dealers as part of the new car prep' and return to Ford for re-use and there was a money in this for the dealer but many never bothered.)

Not trying to start anything just curious what is on the car.  Next time you are visiting could you look and let us know?

Thanks, JD

See attached section of Marcus Anghel's paper on these (one of a number he has researched and shared - great stuff)

Also if they appear to have been painted or not painted while your at it.

Quote from: JD on June 08, 2019, 06:12:44 PM
Ruben thanks for the update and glad to hear it's closer to moving on its' own..

I noticed in the image of the new gas tank the car still has the shipping tie-down brackets and I'm curious if it has the square corner or the round corner version. 

(there has been some discussion in the past on the old crashed forum regarding these which were supposed to be removed by the dealers as part of the new car prep' and return to Ford for re-use and there was a money in this for the dealer but many never bothered.)

Not trying to start anything just curious what is on the car.  Next time you are visiting could you look and let us know?

Thanks, JD

See attached section of Marcus Anghel's paper on these (one of a number he has researched and shared - great stuff)

Hey JD and Bob,

Thanks for pointing this out, as I had no idea that there were two types of tie downs used.  I'll take a look the next time I'm at the shop.  I'm not sure about the corners being pointed or rounded, but I can almost guarantee that they were painted black, if my memory serves me right. 

More to come!  :D

Ruben,

Just for reference, would you check the attaching hardware as well?

Thanks,

Greek

Quote from: greekz on June 09, 2019, 09:33:16 PM
Ruben,

Just for reference, would you check the attaching hardware as well?

Thanks,

Greek

Will do 👍🏻

The latest - she now runs and idles with her on-board fuel system!  The fuel pump to carb line finally came in, and thanks to a fellow forum member (who sold me another correct date coded carb which didn't require a rebuild  ;)), they were able to swap carbs and get her going full steam ahead.  Now she purrs like a kitten!  ;D

They've now moved to the brake system.  Once that's finished, they'll check out the power steering system.

She's getting closer to the street!!!  I can't wait!

I think we need video proof with sound!! 

(Also I should test drive it)

Seriously, it's good to hear it's on the way to being driven again.

Quote from: JD on June 12, 2019, 06:14:44 PM
I think we need video proof with sound!! 

(Also I should test drive it)

Seriously, it's good to hear it's on the way to being driven again.

Seriously!  I can't wait to head down there to hear it.  I'll definitely shoot some footage  :D.

Thanks!

What. A. Day!!

I received an email today saying that the brakes are sorted, AND...that they drove it around the block!!! Then, the shop invited me down to take the car for a quick drive. I could NOT get down there quick enough!  I pushed back an afternoon meeting I had and beat feet to the shop.

I arrived and they simply handed me the keys and said, "Start her up!"  I jumped in the driver's seat, put the key in the ignition, and she cranked straight away!  Wow!!! The sound was AMAZING!! To be honest, I've never heard a 67 Shelby running through it's complete born-with exhaust - it was incredible.

Then I was told to take her around the block. I cannot explain what it was like to drive the car for the first time, especially after less then 30 days at this shop. All I could think about is how the car had been sitting for over 40 years and I thought about Robert Mejia - the previous owner. I thought about what he must have felt the last time he drove the car. I thought about the car itself and finally getting it out on the road after decades. I thought about how blessed I am to be behind the wheel of such an amazing car.

Once I got back to the shop, the head mechanic (who has been working on the car with the assistance of an intern) asked if I wanted to go for a ride. Of course, I said, yes! The intern jumped in the back and I moved to the passenger seat...

WOW!! The head mechanic REALLY showed me what the car could do. He even squealed the tires!! 👍🏻

When we got back, they started the AC...and if actually worked!! Now, it didn't blow ice cold (as it needs a charge, and such), but she was working!

I took a video of the engine running, but I don't know how to post it on this site. If anyone knows how to post a video here, please let me know.

What an awesome day! As always, more to come. 👍🏻

Wow - excellent.

What did they do to the transmission - or did they. 

JD

Quote from: JD on June 13, 2019, 10:41:29 PM
Wow - excellent.

What did they do to the transmission - or did they. 

JD

Hey JD!  I believe they changed the fluid, but that was it. It goes into gear smoothly and shifts really well. Again, I continue to be amazed at how well the car is doing.

The head mechanic said this, "There are some cars that just don't want to come back, and then there are some cars that do. This car REALLY wants to get back on the road again - she wants to live." Interesting and reminiscent of the move "Christine". 😉

Quote from: JD on June 08, 2019, 06:12:44 PM
Ruben thanks for the update and glad to hear it's closer to moving on its' own..

I noticed in the image of the new gas tank the car still has the shipping tie-down brackets and I'm curious if it has the square corner or the round corner version. 

(there has been some discussion in the past on the old crashed forum regarding these which were supposed to be removed by the dealers as part of the new car prep' and return to Ford for re-use and there was a money in this for the dealer but many never bothered.)

Not trying to start anything just curious what is on the car.  Next time you are visiting could you look and let us know?

Thanks, JD

See attached section of Marcus Anghel's paper on these (one of a number he has researched and shared - great stuff)

So, in the midst of yesterday's excitement, I did manage to crawl under the rear and look at the tie-down brackets. The edges (at least on the side where I looked) were rounded at the top. And, given the surface rust, I couldn't tell for sure if they were painted, but if I had to guess, they looked painted black to me. Unfortunately, I didn't look at the mounting hardware, but I will. 👍🏻

Thoughts?

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on June 14, 2019, 09:14:15 AM

So, in the midst of yesterday's excitement, I did manage to crawl under the rear and look at the tie-down brackets. The edges (at least on the side where I looked) were rounded at the top. And, given the surface rust, I couldn't tell for sure if they were painted, but if I had to guess, they looked painted black to me. Unfortunately, I didn't look at the mounting hardware, but I will. 👍🏻

Thoughts?

Thanks, when you can please look to see if the other side matches (corners and paint or no paint) and the hardware. 

(there have been other '67 cars that have the rounded corners and the speculation on the old site was that MAYBE since the parts were reused that over time they migrated around the country and ended up on cars that we wouldn't have thought would have them)

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on June 14, 2019, 09:14:15 AM

Quote from: JD on June 08, 2019, 06:12:44 PM
Ruben thanks for the update and glad to hear it's closer to moving on its' own..

I noticed in the image of the new gas tank the car still has the shipping tie-down brackets and I'm curious if it has the square corner or the round corner version. 

(there has been some discussion in the past on the old crashed forum regarding these which were supposed to be removed by the dealers as part of the new car prep' and return to Ford for re-use and there was a money in this for the dealer but many never bothered.)

Not trying to start anything just curious what is on the car.  Next time you are visiting could you look and let us know?

Thanks, JD

See attached section of Marcus Anghel's paper on these (one of a number he has researched and shared - great stuff)

So, in the midst of yesterday's excitement, I did manage to crawl under the rear and look at the tie-down brackets. The edges (at least on the side where I looked) were rounded at the top. And, given the surface rust, I couldn't tell for sure if they were painted, but if I had to guess, they looked painted black to me. Unfortunately, I didn't look at the mounting hardware, but I will. 👍🏻

Thoughts?

The square corner tie downs were typically shipped to San Jose and the round corner ones to Metuchen and Dearborn when new. They were most likely made by different MFG's which were geographically located near the plants .This is consistent over the 65-70 Shelby model years. The square corner style was dip painted semi gloss black while the Dearborn /Metuchen round corner style was left bare metal.   Even though you see many attached after all these years they were supposed to be reused as per instructions on the license plate sticker . The square corner type was seen used pretty exclusively on 65 and 66 cars. In 67 the square corner type is still the predominate tie down style seen on SJ cars however some of the round corner types are also seen . I have a couple theories on why the round corner type is sometime seen on SJ cars.  The return and reuse program may be responsible for the mixture. By 67 the mixture of returned tie downs from SJ,Dearborn and Metchen cars were distributed and the resulting mixture is responsible for the occasional round corner type seen on 67's. Another theory is that not enough returns of the tie downs were coming in because they were not being taken off that a supply of tie downs from the eastern assembly plants had to be used at SJ to supplement their supply. Interesting to note that although we see the use of the round corner type used occasionally on 67 Shelby's we rarely see if at all the square corner type used on 68 and 69/70 Shelby Dearborn and Metuchen cars .There are any number of scenarios but I think these two make the most sense based on studying all year of Shelby's 65-70. At least they make the most sense to me now until more compelling information is uncovered.

Short update today:

I went by the shop to get some of the takeoff parts - wheels and tires being one of them.  When I got home, I snapped some pictures of the inner wheel.  As you'll see in the attached pictures, each wheel had the "KH-70612" on the inside.  Also, I noticed what looked like a "4" or part of an "H" stamping shown in the last two pictures.  Does anyone know what this stamping was for or what it signifies?

Thanks!

...and...I forgot to shoot pictures / look at the rear tie downs.  Dang it!  I promise to get them eventually!   ;)

Pure joy! I got to, again, drive the 67; which I'm ironically calling, "Black Beauty" (even though it's more like "Mad Max".  The cooling system will get a full clean, all the electrical will be sorted, as well as ensuring AC operation, and then she comes home!

Getting close - I can't wait! 👍🏻

Great shot! Always a good feeling to be back in the saddle again. I can identify.

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on June 21, 2019, 04:30:53 PM
Short update today:

I went by the shop to get some of the takeoff parts - wheels and tires being one of them.  When I got home, I snapped some pictures of the inner wheel.  As you'll see in the attached pictures, each wheel had the "KH-70612" on the inside.  Also, I noticed what looked like a "4" or part of an "H" stamping shown in the last two pictures.  Does anyone know what this stamping was for or what it signifies?

Thanks!

It looks like a "H" to me and most likely part of another "KH" marking that didn't get applied very deep IMO.

Quote from: Bob Gaines on July 03, 2019, 11:06:51 AM

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on June 21, 2019, 04:30:53 PM
Short update today:

I went by the shop to get some of the takeoff parts - wheels and tires being one of them.  When I got home, I snapped some pictures of the inner wheel.  As you'll see in the attached pictures, each wheel had the "KH-70612" on the inside.  Also, I noticed what looked like a "4" or part of an "H" stamping shown in the last two pictures.  Does anyone know what this stamping was for or what it signifies?

Thanks!

It looks like a "H" to me and most likely part of another "KH" marking that didn't get applied very deep IMO.

Great - thanks , Bob!

Today I was finally able to checkout and take a picture of the rear shipping tie downs. As you'll see in the picture, they appear to be painted black with rounded edges at the top.

Also, I think I found the threaded hole (circled in red) on the passenger's side of the intake for the coil. Please advise if I'm off.

Thanks!

Thanks for the tie-down check and image.  (Seems those made the rounds)

Yes, that appears to be the front mounting hole.  That version would also have two more towards the rear, same side.  See attached...

Also, good to see you at SAAC 44

Which intake the large number S2MS or the S7MS?Both have the provision for the smog in back and relocated coil in front.

Quote from: JD on July 17, 2019, 10:14:32 PM
Thanks for the tie-down check and image.  (Seems those made the rounds)

Yes, that appears to be the front mounting hole.  That version would also have two more towards the rear, same side.  See attached...

Also, good to see you at SAAC 44

Thanks for the picture, JD! It was great seeing you at SAAC 44 as well. 👍🏻

Quote from: Bob Gaines on July 17, 2019, 10:20:20 PM
Which intake the large number S2MS or the S7MS?Both have the provision for the smog in back and relocated coil in front.

Good catch, Bob, as to the purpose of the rear holes. I went back through some old photos I first took of #2666, and as you can see from the picture below, part of the smog system is mounted via one of the two holes (circled in red).

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on July 17, 2019, 11:29:46 PM

Quote from: Bob Gaines on July 17, 2019, 10:20:20 PM
Which intake the large number S2MS or the S7MS?Both have the provision for the smog in back and relocated coil in front.

Good catch, Bob, as to the purpose of the rear holes. I went back through some old photos I first took of #2666, and as you can see from the picture below, part of the smog system is mounted via one of the two holes (circled in red).

So which intake is it?

Quote from: Bob Gaines on July 18, 2019, 12:04:41 AM

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on July 17, 2019, 11:29:46 PM

Quote from: Bob Gaines on July 17, 2019, 10:20:20 PM
Which intake the large number S2MS or the S7MS?Both have the provision for the smog in back and relocated coil in front.

Good catch, Bob, as to the purpose of the rear holes. I went back through some old photos I first took of #2666, and as you can see from the picture below, part of the smog system is mounted via one of the two holes (circled in red).

So which intake is it?

I'll look when I get back over to see the car again.

Some of the AC / heater components are getting a refresh, and here you can see the original evaporator unit.

I thought it was really interesting to see the original stickers placed; which not only denote the date, but also the time.  I'm guessing this is when the evaporator was first completed versus when it was installed - is that correct?  Or, was the unit tested and then marked with the date / time?

Thanks!

Somewhere in the depths of my mind I remember a similar conversation while restoring a 68 "S" code convertible 20+ years ago, the consensus at that time was it was a label for the QC test date.

Quote from: Bill on July 28, 2019, 10:18:28 AM
Somewhere in the depths of my mind I remember a similar conversation while restoring a 68 "S" code convertible 20+ years ago, the consensus at that time was it was a label for the QC test date.

Thanks Bill!  That seems to make perfect sense. 

It's been a while since I last posted, and a lot has happened in the past 45 days.

She came home recently, and just in time for the "Snakes and Stangs Weekend Rally". This event starts in San Antonio, goes through the Texas Hill Country with stops for gas and lunch, then back. Needless to say, this would be my first true test of the car.  I had time to do some short shake down runs prior to the event, and then it was go time!

In short, I put over 300 miles on the car yesterday in 95 degree heat while traversing amazing terrain (especially for Texas 😉) with no issues at all. In fact, it was one of the most (if not the best) drives I've ever taken. We had over 40 cars; which was amazing.

I recently read an article recently in Mustang Monthly about the need to get out and drive your classics. It was written by the editor who did a great job explaining the value and sheer pleasure that comes from taking your classic for a spin. This couldn't be more true, especially for me. Yesterday's drive was so therapeutic that I took the Shelby back out for another 100 miles today...in the same heat with no issues.

All I can say is enjoy them while / when you can! 👍🏻

Now that is how you enjoy a classic! Looks like a fun trip.
Here is 3119 going down the road with about 50 other stangs. I do this as often as i can.

the KEY here ...while you can...

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on September 16, 2019, 12:01:09 AM
It's been a while since I last posted, and a lot has happened in the past 45 days.

She came home recently, and just in time for the "Snakes and Stangs Weekend Rally". This event starts in San Antonio, goes through the Texas Hill Country with stops for gas and lunch, then back. Needless to say, this would be my first true test of the car.  I had time to do some short shake down runs prior to the event, and then it was go time!

In short, I put over 300 miles on the car yesterday in 95 degree heat while traversing amazing terrain (especially for Texas 😉) with no issues at all. In fact, it was one of the most (if not the best) drives I've ever taken. We had over 40 cars; which was amazing.

I recently read an article recently in Mustang Monthly about the need to get out and drive your classics. It was written by the editor who did a great job explaining the value and sheer pleasure that comes from taking your classic for a spin. This couldn't be more true, especially for me. Yesterday's drive was so therapeutic that I took the Shelby back out for another 100 miles today...in the same heat with no issues.

All I can say is enjoy them while / when you can! 👍🏻

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on July 28, 2019, 10:08:17 AM
Some of the AC / heater components are getting a refresh, and here you can see the original evaporator unit.

I thought it was really interesting to see the original stickers placed; which not only denote the date, but also the time.  I'm guessing this is when the evaporator was first completed versus when it was installed - is that correct?  Or, was the unit tested and then marked with the date / time?

Thanks!

Likely the HVAC assembly was built either at Ford Saline, Rawsonvill or Sheldon Rd. plant, all in SE Mich.
They were part of the internal Ford supply chain = GPD ( General Parts Division ) as the tag denotes.
I don't recall which would have built Fairlane/Mustang/Cougar components. I think they're all closed now ??

jim p

Quote from: 6972boss on September 16, 2019, 10:30:53 AM
Now that is how you enjoy a classic! Looks like a fun trip.
Here is 3119 going down the road with about 50 other stangs. I do this as often as i can.

That's fantastic!  And, my new goal is to follow suit.   8)

I just found this video of last weekend's rally online.  It's a mix of video and still shots.  One of my favorite still shots of "Black Beauty" is at 4:14 - it was taken via the side mirror of the Shelby in front of me during one of the twisty sections of the course.

https://samc.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=4002&club_id=885026&item_id=984469

Good times!

I found a really cool gas station on one of the Texas back roads, and couldn't help but stop to snap a few pictures. 

The good ole' days!

Car is looking good!

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on September 22, 2019, 12:07:02 PM
I found a really cool gas station on one of the Texas back roads, and couldn't help but stop to snap a few pictures. 

The good ole' days!

Love the man tires Ruben.

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on September 22, 2019, 12:07:02 PM
I found a really cool gas station on one of the Texas back roads, and couldn't help but stop to snap a few pictures. 

The good ole' days!

That could be a painting!  Magnificent!

Have to love being able to drive your vehicle  without having to hide it away for winter..

                                                                  -Keith

Thanks for all the kind words!  And, yes - she's got some man shoes on for now.  ;)

Being able to drive all year round is such a blessing.  I really don't miss the Midwest winters (or salt!) at all. 

It was bound to happened (as I had been planning for it), and today became "that day"...I had my youngest daughter (she's been the most interested in classic cars) take the 67 Shelby for a spin.

We both had a great time!  She mentioned how much she enjoyed the overall feel and connectedness the Shelby gave her versus the newer car for which she's learned to drive.  And, she loved how "eager" the engine felt.  At first, she said she was nervous to drive the Shelby.  But, that quickly subsided, and she actually seemed more at home behind the wheel of the 67 Shelby then she is behind the wheel of the 2013 mini SUV she's been driving. 

This is one of the best bonding moments she and I have had in a long time - second only to when I took her to her first car show and let her accept the First Place Trophy for our Class.

Thanks!

Nice!

You're the cool dad of the neighborhood, for sure.

Wait, you didn't let her drive the carryover?  :o.  That's awesome Ruben.  It's really cool to see how far this car has come.  You truly rescued it.

 They were built to be driven!..........enjoy the drive!!!

Quote from: BGlover67 on September 23, 2019, 04:17:19 AM
Wait, you didn't let her drive the carryover?  :o.  That's awesome Ruben.  It's really cool to see how far this car has come.  You truly rescued it.

LOL. Not the Carryover...yet. She needs to learn to drive a manual first; which she will eventually learn. 😉

The side stripes and fender emblems are on! She's a reborn Shelby!  :D

Many thanks to Frank and Clay (Kennedy Paint & Body) in Helotes, TX. Outstanding guys who have a true love and passion for these old cars. 👍🏻

Looking good!

Quote from: greekz on October 09, 2019, 11:02:29 PM
Looking good!

Yes - much better with the proper branding!

The stripes make it.
Dave

Thanks to all! She's coming along well. 👍🏻

Nicely done!  Years back, I took my daughter to our local
HS parking lot for a drive in the 65 k code fastback.  Of course,
manual transmission.  It took a while, but she got the hang of it.
Priceless memories!
Ron

Ruben, are we going to see it at Indy?

Quote from: gjz30075 on October 11, 2019, 08:35:07 AM
Ruben, are we going to see it at Indy?

Good question. I just might, especially since it'll be closer to Texas than I had originally thought.  Would be a great drive!

Quote from: rbarkley on October 10, 2019, 08:54:53 PM
Nicely done!  Years back, I took my daughter to our local
HS parking lot for a drive in the 65 k code fastback.  Of course,
manual transmission.  It took a while, but she got the hang of it.
Priceless memories!
Ron

Congrats Ron! That's a fantastic story. Thanks for sharing! 👍🏻

Here's a complete side shot from today. Dave is spot on - the side stripes make it.

What's funny? My wife's response, "I liked it better without the stripes."  LOL.

It's the little touches, like an original Mel Burns plate frame that a fantastic forum member sold me. Thanks!

Here's a before and after side shot.  I'll eventually touch up the paint in the rear quarter among other things.  It is fun to see the original red peaking through at the back.

It's hard to believe she's gained over 1,200 miles between pictures!

Nice !

Wow, big difference!

Is it true that the GT350 with A/C did NOT get an oil cooler?
(only the GT500s with A/C)

Just love the tires and stance.

Definitely with the stripes.

Great job Ruben, that car found a good home with you.

Thanks to all!  I really appreciate the positive feedback. :D

Quote from: Richstang on October 26, 2019, 12:39:27 PM
Wow, big difference!

Is it true that the GT350 with A/C did NOT get an oil cooler?
(only the GT500s with A/C)

Great question, Rich.  I'll let the pros answer that one, as I'm not sure what the letter of the law is on this one. 

Looking good, Ruben!   So, after another 1200 miles, it'll look even better?   I like it they way it is :-)

Quote from: Richstang on October 26, 2019, 12:39:27 PM
Wow, big difference!

Is it true that the GT350 with A/C did NOT get an oil cooler?
(only the GT500s with A/C)

It is true that no regular production GT350 with A/C got a oil cooler. Only GT500 with AC got a engine oil cooler.

Looking great Ruben.  It is come a long way since I saw it earlier this year.  Great job!

Greek

Quote from: Bob Gaines on October 26, 2019, 09:12:17 PM

Quote from: Richstang on October 26, 2019, 12:39:27 PM
Wow, big difference!

Is it true that the GT350 with A/C did NOT get an oil cooler?
(only the GT500s with A/C)

It is true that no regular production GT350 with A/C got a oil cooler. Only GT500 with AC got a engine oil cooler.

Thanks for confirming this Bob,

The oil cooler wasn't listed on a SVO sheet set for the GT350 with A/C, so I assumed it wasn't on them.
Then I thought maybe it was not a Ford installed part, but rather a Shelby American installed part.


I'm still searching for the SVO (add/delete sheets) for a GT500 with A/C (401F 411F, 403F or 413F) to see if an oil cooler is listed with a Ford part number.


(Ruben; sorry to side track your post. Keep up the good work. I look forward to your next 'improvement'.)

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on October 11, 2019, 11:19:24 PM
  My wife's response, "I liked it better without the stripes."  LOL.

Without the stripe it looked a little more Bullitt.

Quote from: Bigfoot on October 27, 2019, 12:14:54 PM

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on October 11, 2019, 11:19:24 PM
  My wife's response, "I liked it better without the stripes."  LOL.

Without the stripe it looked a little more Bullitt.

Good point!  I never thought about that.

Back around 1980, when I was looking for a Shelby, I looked at a '67 GT500 in St. Anthonys Idaho that was a red, auto with AC car.  Have no idea what the number was, but have always wondered where it ended up. Not 100% sure it was an original red car. It didn't have Lemans stripes. It was a very nice car at the time. I remember it had pencil beam headlights in the brights, and seems to me it was an outboard light car, but can't remember for sure. i have a picture of it somewhere. The owner told me it was not the original block because a previous owner had been running it with just water instead of anti freeze and they forgot to winterize it. It didn't like the cold Idaho winter....

Quote from: owenkelley on October 27, 2019, 09:24:13 PM
Back around 1980, when I was looking for a Shelby, I looked at a '67 GT500 in St. Anthonys Idaho that was a red, auto with AC car.  Have no idea what the number was, but have always wondered where it ended up. Not 100% sure it was an original red car. It didn't have Lemans stripes. It was a very nice car at the time. I remember it had pencil beam headlights in the brights, and seems to me it was an outboard light car, but can't remember for sure. i have a picture of it somewhere. The owner told me it was not the original block because a previous owner had been running it with just water instead of anti freeze and they forgot to winterize it. It didn't like the cold Idaho winter....

The majority of GT500's with AC where late built cars which also means they most likely were outboard also.

Recently, I've befriended a young man of 23. Great guy who didn't grow up in a car family. However, his Grandfather restores classic cars (82 years old and still going!).

I met this young man for coffee the other day, and he asked for a ride in Black Beauty. I said, "I'll do you one better. Do you want to drive?" The picture below tells the story.

To date, he's driven it 3 times. Start 'em young!!

Thanks to Frank and Clay Kennedy (and their AC man, Paul), Black Beauty's AC was charged today, and the AC system runs great!  Woo-hoo!!  It's already gotten to the upper 80s here in San Antonio this year, so the timing of this couldn't be better.  All the AC work had been done previously, and I was waiting for the weather to get warmer before charging the system. 

I've seen others (including myself) ask about the performance of the stock style AC system on a 67 Shelby GT350.  I have to tell you, it's great!  It blows MUCH colder than I had expected; which is an incredible blessing.  The in-dash setup is REALLY nice.  And, during the process, it was identified that the clutch on my radiator fan was pretty much shot.  So, we changed the fan clutch, and now my car runs cooler than it ever has - even with the AC blowing on max!

Great day today working along side some great friends with great results!

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on October 29, 2019, 08:18:10 AM
Recently, I've befriended a young man of 23. Great guy who didn't grow up in a car family. However, his Grandfather restores classic cars (82 years old and still going!).

I met this young man for coffee the other day, and he asked for a ride in Black Beauty. I said, "I'll do you one better. Do you want to drive?" The picture below tells the story.

To date, he's driven it 3 times. Start 'em young!!

Great move, Ruben!   I like it!

Ruben. Did you do R12 or 134 in the system?

Quote from: Rickmustang on March 29, 2020, 10:17:08 AM
Ruben. Did you do R12 or 134 in the system?

I did 134. I updated all the original components with new original style pieces and hoses; which are built for 134.

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on March 29, 2020, 11:02:54 AM

Quote from: Rickmustang on March 29, 2020, 10:17:08 AM
Ruben. Did you do R12 or 134 in the system?

I did 134. I updated all the original components with new original style pieces and hoses; which are built for 134.

Can you post a picture of the engine compartment ? It would be nice to see what the new original style hoses ,dryer ,compressor etc. look like under the hood.  Glad to hear it is working up to your expectations.

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on October 29, 2019, 08:18:10 AM
Recently, I've befriended a young man of 23. Great guy who didn't grow up in a car family. However, his Grandfather restores classic cars (82 years old and still going!).

I met this young man for coffee the other day, and he asked for a ride in Black Beauty. I said, "I'll do you one better. Do you want to drive?" The picture below tells the story.

To date, he's driven it 3 times. Start 'em young!!

Agree 100%  ++1

Quote from: Bob Gaines on March 29, 2020, 12:51:34 PM

Quote from: Shelby_r_b on March 29, 2020, 11:02:54 AM

Quote from: Rickmustang on March 29, 2020, 10:17:08 AM
Ruben. Did you do R12 or 134 in the system?

I did 134. I updated all the original components with new original style pieces and hoses; which are built for 134.

Can you post a picture of the engine compartment ? It would be nice to see what the new original style hoses ,dryer ,compressor etc. look like under the hood.  Glad to hear it is working up to your expectations.

Sorry for the delay on posting. Here's a pic of the new AC components under the hood.

I had the concours correct spark plug wires, but they pulled apart easily. So, I went with aftermarket 8MM plug wires. 👍🏻

Wow, that looks really good, the vaiances are so subtle, wish more would follow that play book

Looking good Ruben!

Just in case you are not aware the Cobra intake used on the smog cars are ether the S7MS or S2MS that have provisions for for the coil to be mounted on the intake . I only mention this in case you are not aware because you have gone to the trouble of trying to make many of the the highly visible things in the engine compartment assemblyline correct . The coil in the wrong place is highly visible on top of the compressor but it is more accessible.

Quote from: Bob Gaines on April 18, 2020, 11:13:44 PM
Just in case you are not aware the Cobra intake used on the smog cars are ether the S7MS or S2MS that have provisions for for the coil to be mounted on the intake . I only mention this in case you are not aware because you have gone to the trouble of trying to make many of the the highly visible things in the engine compartment assemblyline correct . The coil in the wrong place is highly visible on top of the compressor but it is more accessible.

You're spot on, Bob. The coil was in its current location when I got the car, and the heater hoses were changed out by a shop that didn't know that the coil was not in the correct location.  So, I kept the coil where it was for now. However, I did notice that the intake has the correct spot to mount the coil (I owe another thanks to you, Bob and JD, as you both confirmed the correct coil placement in another thread). Here's a pic that shows (what I believe to be) the correct mounting point of the coil. This was taken prior to replacement of the heater hoses.

Thanks to all!

For others, as Ruben already knows, here is a shot of the coil in the intended position on top of the right side of the intake...

I've seen  the coil mounted to the top of the A/C compressor before. Is there an application where that was done assemblyline?

Quote from: shelbydoug on April 19, 2020, 06:56:06 AM
I've seen  the coil mounted to the top of the A/C compressor before. Is there an application where that was done assemblyline?

Not any year vintage Shelby.

Quote from: shelbydoug on April 19, 2020, 06:56:06 AM
I've seen  the coil mounted to the top of the A/C compressor before. Is there an application where that was done assemblyline?

That's where the guys put it on my T-bird... so maybe on some other Fords?

(let me know if this is too much drift and I should delete)

Quote from: mark p on April 19, 2020, 05:55:46 PM

Quote from: shelbydoug on April 19, 2020, 06:56:06 AM
I've seen  the coil mounted to the top of the A/C compressor before. Is there an application where that was done assemblyline?

That's where the guys put it on my T-bird... so maybe on some other Fords?
(https://i.imgur.com/SssyplB.jpg)


(let me know if this is too much drift and I should delete)

On the off chance that you think that coil is supposed to be mounted on top of the compressor FYI he factory T bird intake has a provision for the coil to be mount .It sits behind the compressor on the FE intake. It is easier to get to on top of the compressor I suppose that is why the guys put it there.

^^^ oops, New lesson, never assume that the "experts" know what they are doing?  ::) ???
Thanks Bob,

The AC evaporator has been working extremely well lately...so much so that the condensation build up in the evaporator box has revealed several leaks 😢.

While removing the box, I decided to remove the blower motor assembly as well. As one would expect, both units were extremely dusty / dirty. But, it was cool to clean things up and see the date code on the blower motor.

Well, I decided to replace the original evaporator / heater box (which I may have restored at some point) with an aftermarket box.

I was a bit skeptical about using a reproduction box, but I have to say that this is one quality item! I've attached pictures of the box all loaded up, upon initial install, and the temp gauge while running the AC in 100 degree heat.

Side note: I cannot believe how much incorrect work I uncovered while disassembling the system. And, I'm equally amazed at how well the system works with these corrections.

Loving the AC!

Looking good. One piece at a time is what is takes sometimes to get your car where you want it to be.

AC is a nice convenience in SA.  It gets might toasty there this time of year.

Finally, I was able to get some more of the small stuff done under the hood (it's a bit dirty right now 😉).

- Moved the coil to the correct location
- Changed out the heater hoses for the correct red stripped hoses (and, connected them correctly; which the shop that got it running switched incorrectly)
- Clamp on the AC compressor that holds the smog hose (let me know if anyone needs one - I had to buy in bulk 😏)
- Zip ties and rubber straps for the export brace
- Etc.

Little by little and more to come.