The discussion about color changes on a concours participant, ( http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=5278.0 (http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=5278.0) ) brought out the discussion of cars that aren't quite concours. I believe the current show classes leave a significant number of people from showing their cars, that would otherwise attract a lot of discussion and appreciation for what the cars were, when they were. Let me throw something out there, along these lines... to attract those cars not otherwise concours correct, but faithful representations of their time and owners... a Period-Correct class. To prevent it from just being a Concours spill-over, require no less than 2 major and 3 minor visible, owner-performed modifications. All modifications must be appropriate to within a + - 5 year window of production. Owners must have documentation of the part/modification being available and practiced within the window. Anything not documented or outside that window is a deduction, or basis to not be in the class.
While I have thought of benefits to the club, owners, and how to determine definitions for this, I will leave that to further discussion. Thoughts?
There is a show - it's the "People's Choice" car show each year at the SAAC national and ALL cars are welcome, not judged, and the People Pick the winners in every year and model class regardless of "correctness". And it's hundreds of dollars less to enter! It's a line item you can select to participate in listed on the SAAC Event Registration form(s).
Always fun, interesting and well enjoyed.
I think placing period cars against M2 suspension, tubbed, coyote-powered cars, etc is a disservice to the enthusiasm the cars generated in their time. My experience is that the subtle time-capsule cars are rarely shown, greatly appreciated, and deliberately not brought out. Just my opinion.
I think thats what they call a day 2 car... Cars that are raced, driven, shown, and just plainly enjoyed the way they were meant to be enjoyed. ;)
The rims on my vehicle would eliminate me from this class as well. I went with 17" because of tire choices. The 15" rims sit in the boxes the 17" rims once resided.
-Keith
Why eliminated?; the rules and allowances haven't even been drawn.
I stayed with primarily era common modifications. The Arning drop and the traction masters were there. The 17" rims, albeit the same design as available wouldn't qualify being 17" wouldn't have been available. The hookers certainly were though!
-Keith
I think a case for a single, period- looking mod could be consdered on something bolt-on, further modification required, consumable like tires could have a place in a period class, if the rules are structured thusly, but with a class focus on period-ness, the benefit of any leeway would have to go to period pieces, or reproductions there-of.
It would be pretty tough to pick a winner with so many variables...How do you assign points to an eight track deck or after market mags or seat covers or or or......ad infinitum... :o
Quote from: 557 on April 11, 2019, 12:54:04 AM
It would be pretty tough to pick a winner with so many variables...How do you assign points to an eight track deck or after market mags or seat covers or or or......ad infinitum... :o
Or deduct for that matter. Good point.
-Keith
Point taken. Documentation of the mod, the window period, and establishment of the rules are open for discussion.
Quote from: TJinSA on April 11, 2019, 01:04:36 AM
Point taken. Documentation of the mod, the window period, and establishment of the rules are open for discussion.
Quality of execution.
Ever see a Singer Porsche? It is an extreme example but they are freaking works of automotive art.
http://singervehicledesign.com/works/
Maybe Leon's Galaxie or Strope's Insane Fairlane would be more appropriate examples
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V-BL7G5m98M
This car is off the hook;
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UonisqLOnXo
Quote from: 2112 on April 11, 2019, 01:21:50 AM
Quote from: TJinSA on April 11, 2019, 01:04:36 AM
Point taken. Documentation of the mod, the window period, and establishment of the rules are open for discussion.
Quality of execution.
Ever see a Singer Porsche? It is an extreme example but they are freaking works of automotive art.
http://singervehicledesign.com/works/
Seriously beautiful stuff.
I did the People's Choice at SAAC 34 and I seem to recall every car was vintage.......
Close to what we are talking about here. Has it changed?
In my humble opinion, the problem is and has been SAAC concours people have been unwilling or unable to post any type of guidelines or rules. There should never be a question as to what is "allowed". If it looks like the original part, it should be acceptable.
All these posts about what should be allowed are going to make my head explode. Its one of the reasons I resigned as head judge. Of course, no one ever cared enough to ask...
Concours is not for every car, nor should it be. But, posting some general guidelines and rules would go along way to resolving a lot of these issues. Furthermore the BOD should be supportive of those guidelines and not undercut them. SAAC Concours could be a huge draw for the club if done properly, but instead it has become a pain in the ass for the club.
People don't like to present their cars in shows for fear of reprimands and deductions for every little detail. If you think about what people congregate and swarm over at most car shows is the coolness factor or uniqueness of certain cars. We could have a day 2 class where period modifications would be allowed, its how most of these cars sit currently anyways. Instead of always deducting points, ADD points for someone that has a rare engine setup, wheels that no one has but wish they had, stripes , modifications that people feel are soooo cool. These are personal touches that each individual presents as an extension of themselves. For the few concourse cars- 1 percenters... Leave them alone in their area, for those that love that kind of stuff. A place for all to be happy, and present their cars as they feel they should be presented.
I propose we change the name of the "People's choice" car show to "Day 2".
That should make everyone happy.
I not sure why I'm entering this discussion. I've not entered a Shelby in any concours. I am familiar with what is sometimes referred to as Brand X judging. For the sake of a healthy discussing let's just call them Corvettes and the well known judging body of NCRS. The NCRS has long held what is called 'Flight Judging' based on a 4510 possible points. Deviations from original reduce the point count. A car could lose up to 270 points and still achieve a Top Flight.
As the years went by, the NCRS adjusted the criteria to better present a workable criteria in judging. An example would be judging paint. It no longer matters if the material is lacquer or BC/CC, as long as it appears to replicate how the car left the factory, orange peel and all.
I guess similar to Shelby's, fewer cars were being entered into Flight Judging as the criteria didn't fit a lot of owners.
More recently the NCRS began an additional judging perimeter called 'Concours' judging that is broken into two categories. The 'Concours' is for cars that are not 'factory' correct. It is designed to include cars without their born-with engines or paint color etc. etc. One category includes cars, with the hood and doors closed, that appear unmodified. The other category are cars that are clearly modified, fender flares, modern suspension etc.
The cars are judges on the quality of the work done. Was the work done in a professional matter that could have be produced by a factory.
Being a VETTE guy as well, I will share my take on the VETTE crowd. Since My 1963 Split Window was/ is one of the most original Corvettes in existence is what draws the crowds at shows, it is fun to here everyone's perspective and their stories of vintage corvettes. What turned me off was a few simple simons critiquing the engine tin was missing a couple of engine tin wing nuts. Does anyone really care as far as the spectators flowing by to check things out... No, but concourse judges do, so it was easier to just take it to the usual places where people could see it for what it is, a VERY ORIGINAL split window. Now there are plenty of concourse prepped Corvettes out there, and for me it was fun to watch the peoples reactions, to a car that is driven and enjoyed as opposed to a trailer queen that is never allowed out to stretch its legs. Thoughts from a guy that actually uses his cars as intended, not to shove them in the back of the shop and let them rot. :-\
Quote from: 427heaven on April 11, 2019, 12:10:31 PM
Being a VETTE guy as well, I will share my take on the VETTE crowd. Since My 1963 Split Window was/ is one of the most original Corvettes in existence is what draws the crowds at shows, it is fun to here everyone's perspective and their stories of vintage corvettes. What turned me off was a few simple simons critiquing the engine tin was missing a couple of engine tin wing nuts. Does anyone really care as far as the spectators flowing by to check things out... No, but concourse judges do, so it was easier to just take it to the usual places where people could see it for what it is, a VERY ORIGINAL split window. Now there are plenty of concourse prepped Corvettes out there, and for me it was fun to watch the peoples reactions, to a car that is driven and enjoyed as opposed to a trailer queen that is never allowed out to stretch its legs. Thoughts from a guy that actually uses his cars as intended, not to shove them in the back of the shop and let them rot. :-\
So my first question is are the people right? Are the wing nuts missing?
My second question is why don't you just replace the missing wing nuts and be done with it?
Replies #2, #3 and #4 - all these fit in the (Reply #1) People's Choice Car Show also held at SAAC National event entry is about $25.00
What makes any new class work are the following:
-What is the need/benefit to the club and it's members?
-Will there be enough cars to make the class worth the effort? (A couple cars won't justify it)
-What are the standards/guidelines?
-How many judges/resources will be needed to do the work involved? (registration, judging sheets, allocating judges, scoring, trophies, logistics)
It takes people to make this work, and as is the case in most automobile clubs, nearly everyone is a volunteer.
I agree with Coralsnake.
Coralsnake comment:
"In my humble opinion, the problem is and has been SAAC concours people have been unwilling or unable to post any type of guidelines or rules. There should never be a question as to what is "allowed". If it looks like the original part, it should be acceptable.
All these posts about what should be allowed are going to make my head explode. Its one of the reasons I resigned as head judge. Of course, no one ever cared enough to ask...
Concours is not for every car, nor should it be. But, posting some general guidelines and rules would go along way to resolving a lot of these issues. Furthermore the BOD should be supportive of those guidelines and not undercut them. SAAC Concours could be a huge draw for the club if done properly, but instead it has become a pain in the ass for the club."
As an example, I do most of the work on my car because I enjoy it. I recently decided to refresh my trunk area because I was told by a professional restorer that it would not pass concours judging, specifically the undercoating/sound deadener. I researched this site, the Concours Mustang site and did searches on the Internet for pictures of 1965 Shelby trunk areas. I also looked at several other '65 Shelby's I had access to and contacted some other members who sent me pictures of their trunk areas. To me there was not a consistent pattern for applying the undercoating/sound deadener. I had no clear understanding of what the judges would find acceptable. Consequently, I used my best judgment as to what would acceptable. If it is incorrect, it is not easily changed. Transporting my car 700 plus miles to a convention to find the sound deadener is incorrect does not excite me.
Guidelines and pictures of what is acceptable would have been great and I believe would encourage more car owners to participate in concours classes.
Example: (I am not saying these specs are correct, just an example)
Application of sound deadner on the interior side of the rear quarter panel. Lord Fusor Sprayable Seam Sealer 805HD is recommended.
Vertically, start 2" inches down the top of the quarter panel and extend to 4" from the bottom of the quarter panel.
Horizontally, start 2 ½ inches from the rear of the quarter panel and extend to a vertical line even with the bottom of the wheel house.
Apply several uneven, non uniform coats. See pictures.
Edges should not be sharp clean edges.
Spray with body color during paint process.
Just from reading forum comments, judges have varying opinions as to what is correct. Guidelines would help unify these opinions.
Professional restorers have been through the judging process and know the rules and what to expect.
+1
I find this subject interesting. I belong to STOA, Sunbeam Tiger Owners Association located in the SF Bay Area, and all the west coast Tiger clubs get together once a year and they have a big Tiger event called "Tigers United" and they hold a concours at the event (More like a show and shine) and they break down the class of cars by how much you changed on the car: Stock class is supposed to be stock, as delivered from England with dealer options, next class is Personalized, where a few modifications like interior upgrade, engine upgrades or suspension/ brake upgrades, limiting to 5-6 items that could be changed from stock and no body modifications. The third class is modified which is pretty much a freefall, anything goes. We also include cars on the show field as well who don't want to be judged but want to show their car. This gives spectators a chance to see different flavors of the same marque. Because I don't know what goes on at a judged event at SAAC I thought people would like to know what other clubs do at their events.
Terry
My Favorite Tigers are the lightly personalized that are done to a high standard.
Quote from: Chris Thauberger on April 11, 2019, 12:42:26 PM
Quote from: 427heaven on April 11, 2019, 12:10:31 PM
Being a VETTE guy as well, I will share my take on the VETTE crowd. Since My 1963 Split Window was/ is one of the most original Corvettes in existence is what draws the crowds at shows, it is fun to here everyone's perspective and their stories of vintage corvettes. What turned me off was a few simple simons critiquing the engine tin was missing a couple of engine tin wing nuts. Does anyone really care as far as the spectators flowing by to check things out... No, but concourse judges do, so it was easier to just take it to the usual places where people could see it for what it is, a VERY ORIGINAL split window. Now there are plenty of concourse prepped Corvettes out there, and for me it was fun to watch the peoples reactions, to a car that is driven and enjoyed as opposed to a trailer queen that is never allowed out to stretch its legs. Thoughts from a guy that actually uses his cars as intended, not to shove them in the back of the shop and let them rot. :-\
I need to clarify... The wingnuts were vintage wrong wing nuts, but they were very old patina wing nuts so I just left them alone. For total correctness they were wrong, but the guy I got it from told me he lost them over 50 years ago while doing a tune up... I left them alone.
So my first question is are the people right? Are the wing nuts missing?
My second question is why don't you just replace the missing wing nuts and be done with it?
Did Shelby build cars to be driven or shown as concourse 50 years later?
Truly not meant to piss anybody off.
Terry
Yep personalized is my favorite as well but I do have a lot of appreciation for the stock class. I was one of two judges that judge the Tiger Class at Carmel at the big Car weekend in Monterey and it was tough. It took a good 4-5 hours to judge 8 cars.
Attached is a picture of my car, started out stock and now with a 289 with aluminum heads, roll bar, non-stock dash it has ventured over to personalized/ modified depending on how the Tiger Club hosting the event views it.
Quote from: hertzdonut on April 11, 2019, 07:13:01 PM
Did Shelby build cars to be driven or shown as concourse 50 years later?
Truly not meant to piss anybody off.
Terry
I think he built them to make money...
+1
That we agree on!
Ha! Yes!!
Quote from: Terry Curry on April 11, 2019, 07:27:27 PM
Yep personalized is my favorite as well but I do have a lot of appreciation for the stock class. I was one of two judges that judge the Tiger Class at Carmel at the big Car weekend in Monterey and it was tough. It took a good 4-5 hours to judge 8 cars.
Attached is a picture of my car, started out stock and now with a 289 with aluminum heads, roll bar, non-stock dash it has ventured over to personalized/ modified depending on how the Tiger Club hosting the event views it.
^^^^Beauty!
I think there is room for everyone. I too admire truly concours cars. The work and expense can't be under stated.
Agreed that there is, or should be, room for everyone.
My KR is not concours by any means. It is a Day 2+ car, but still has a lot of its original parts, materials and finishes.
I have never entered it in a show. I simply like to drive it there and look at everyone else's machines.
I tend to like anything that's nicely restored, nicely built or nicely preserved...so long as it has something to do with CS. Even basket cases are fun to study.
And, thanks to the numerous experts on this site, I have substantially increased my knowledge of all of the above.
Good times.
All for one and one for all, bring em out and lets all get along and enjoy our cars as they are, and not continually nit pick about whats wrong with every ones rides! :)
I was out representing in Grapevine Texas tonight!
-Keith
Shelby's are cool period.I enjoy every iteration...Alas,I don't see enough of them on the road...
Quote from: 557 on April 13, 2019, 10:36:53 PM
Shelby's are cool period.I enjoy every iteration...Alas,I don't see enough of them on the road...
+ 1
Quote from: 427heaven on April 11, 2019, 11:58:35 PM
All for one and one for all, bring em out and lets all get along and enjoy our cars as they are, and not continually nit pick about whats wrong with every ones rides! :)
by general consent, plus one
It would be very hard to place a "standard" by which one would judge anything that has deviated from the textbook.
That said,...I think a personalized "show" or corral would be fun with cars from 65-71,..but would they be judged or merely "voted for," which by the way is how the class (people's choice) we talked about works,...ie votes from peeps.
Let's all be honest with ourselves. A person in this hobby knows whether they have a vehicle that is at the level of concours before they enter it, if you don't, then shame on them. I have seen plenty of examples of top level Shelby cars where one could build his or her to that level and feel good about entering it if they wanted. The problem comes in when a person has a day 2 car but feels it should be at a higher level (because they want the recognition) and they get their feelings hurt. They feel picked apart and feel their car is "less than", even though they didn't put in the time and money to get the car to the top level. The truth is, they should not have entered it in that class and should have just show it and be proud of what they have and maybe asked some of the judges to come by and offer some advice.
I do 100% agree there should be published guidelines but regardless, I have meet A LOT of people that will help you for free if you just ask nicely. I for one love them all, I appreciate the amount of time and money a top level car takes, I also appreciate the road hard and put up wet cars.
What do the stats tell us? Is overall (concours and non-concours) vintage shelby car attendance at conventions increasing or decreasing?
If car attendance is high/increasing, then why fix something that is not broken?
If car attendance is low/decreasing, then a change may be needed.
Quote from: Greg on April 14, 2019, 10:07:13 AM
Let's all be honest with ourselves. A person in this hobby knows whether they have a vehicle that is at the level of concours before they enter it, if you don't, then shame on them. I have seen plenty of examples of top level Shelby cars where one could build his or her to that level and feel good about entering it if they wanted. The problem comes in when a person has a day 2 car but feels it should be at a higher level (because they want the recognition) and they get their feelings hurt. They feel picked apart and feel their car is "less than", even though they didn't put in the time and money to get the car to the top level. The truth is, they should not have entered it in that class and should have just show it and be proud of what they have and maybe asked some of the judges to come by and offer some advice.
I do 100% agree there should be published guidelines but regardless, I have meet A LOT of people that will help you for free if you just ask nicely. I for one love them all, I appreciate the amount of time and money a top level car takes, I also appreciate the road hard and put up wet cars.
+1 feelings...
Chris
day 2 cars I can live with, do it yourself junkpile restorations, don't waste my time. phred
Quote from: JD on April 10, 2019, 10:25:54 PM
There is a show - it's the "People's Choice" car show each year at the SAAC national and ALL cars are welcome, not judged, and the People Pick the winners in every year and model class regardless of "correctness". And it's hundreds of dollars less to enter! It's a line item you can select to participate in listed on the SAAC Event Registration form(s).
Always fun, interesting and well enjoyed.
This......
Maybe all it needs is a few provisions and "off we go.."
Quote from: papa scoops on April 14, 2019, 10:33:23 AMday 2 cars I can live with, do it yourself junkpile restorations, don't waste my time. Phred
THAT'S IT, Phred! You got it! I want to see cars out there without modern drive trains. 18s. Tubs, etc. That flash may intrigue the casual observer; but not for those appreciative... of machines that wear their history on their sleeves, a corral of nuance, and not museum pieces, clapped out converted 6-bangers, pro-street, and contemporary resto-mod horse pucky.
What's the attraction of barn finds? I think in some ways it's a vicarious experience of discovery of, "Wow! That's different. What's the history, or origin of that?" I gather it's just a few that the... dusty, experienced to rejuvenated, not updated cars engage us... mentally. It's not insuring everybody goes home with a hollow participation trinket. I hadn't thought what I put out there was self-serving, but I guess it was. At Rodding events, I like the effort put into a flathead Ford, or nail-head Buick over a dime store chromed out SBC. I greatly value that nod from the knowledgeable, the fascination of the of the common man and enthusiast alike, rather than a small specialty group that are not self-serving.
Maybe it's time to lock this thread down. My experiences were there's a growing type of car, that's engaging to people, that is only stumbled upon. Yep, Face it, our cars are antiques. Rueben... good luck with that car if you ever knock the cobwebs off of it. The local city council ...person is going to go for that spiffy Eleanor sitting next to it. Your ears will forever be filled with "experts telling you what's WRONG, rather than what's RIGHT with it. I tell you...it's a negativity trap, and too difficult to attempt definition. Restore it to concours, and loose the history, the personality, except for stories and photos.
Kermit the Frog said, "It's not easy being green." Preserving a car to a point in time of it's history other than a date of manufacture is not easy either.
Phred, what is a "junkpile" restoration in your humble opinion? I know many don't like rims larger than 15" but they aren't practical in reality because of such a limitation of tires. I chose 17X7 and 17X8. Because of the tires chosen it avoids having the "rubber band" tire look. I still have the 15X7 rims. Others are just stuck in the 50's and 60's.
-Keith
Let me be first to offer my services as a Judge in the KUMBAYA class.
Since so much will likely be arbitrary and I've had a few of these cars.
Who will be next....
Might sound like some sarcasm there but I'd be happy to offer my services
Well,my car has a cassette deck in it now,would I get more points for an 8 track???(because I have one in my closet) Do I get extra points for the 6x9 speakers that a pot cut out the rear interior panels for? I already have a hurst shifter in it but will a novelty shift knob up my point total? :o
I want to say up front that I have owned concours-level cars (not Shelbys) and I understand and appreciate the effort made by everyone to build and judge such high-level cars.
The following suggestion comes from the part of me who likes fun driver (Day 2) cars:
What if the Day 2 cars were not judged on a point-basis, but with a more relaxed attitude towards period-correct mods?
Maybe the cars could be grouped in "1960s mods" , "1970s mods", "1980s mods", etc, classes. Meaning, the era in which their modifications were made, or have been built to emulate.
This would be different from the "People's Choice" and "Car Corral" type of things that already exist.
I think there would be plenty of guys like me, who are not looking for a trophy, but would have fun being "checked out" by a panel of informal judges, like Biggie suggested. Thus, the guys with the old school 6x9 speakers would get a nod of appreciation from the "1970s mods" officials.
I remember when your car hadn't arrived unless it had a Pioneer deck and 6 x 9" Jensen speakers.
Extra points if you had a graphic equalizer and could put your Jensens on the roof when at the lake.
8)
Quote from: Side-Oilers on April 14, 2019, 11:44:40 PM...
What if the Day 2 cars were not judged on a point-basis, but with a more relaxed attitude towards period-correct mods?
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This would be different from the "People's Choice" and "Car Corral" type of things that already exist. ...
-or-
Not judged in traditional sence, voting limited to class members, judges, and participants of higher division classes...or just Div I, II and thorough bred... voted on by the assumed most knowledgeable
Quote from: 557 on April 14, 2019, 10:03:09 PM
Well,my car has a cassette deck in it now,would I get more points for an 8 track???(because I have one in my closet) Do I get extra points for the 6x9 speakers that a pot cut out the rear interior panels for? I already have a hurst shifter in it but will a novelty shift knob up my point total? :o
Yes
Yes
Hurst should have Hurst
Quote from: 2112 on April 15, 2019, 01:44:52 AM
I remember when your car hadn't arrived unless it had a Pioneer deck and 6 x 9" Jensen speakers.
Extra points if you had a graphic equalizer and could put your Jensens on the roof when at the lake.
8)
That is so true!
If we're going that route it should be a Shelby type vehicle. That is what the SAAC is. Not Fairlines. They have their own circle.
-Keith
Quote from: 2112 on April 15, 2019, 01:44:52 AM
I remember when your car hadn't arrived unless it had a Pioneer deck and 6 x 9" Jensen speakers.
Extra points if you had a graphic equalizer and could put your Jensens on the roof when at the lake.
8)
. I used to have a COBRA equalizer in my 500 but I took it out...With recent developments maybe that was a mistake..... >:(
My 6s 409 got a fantastic stereo system, from a stereo shop next to Galpin ford , got some nice 500 cfm competition carters at Service center down the street, and then got some turbo mufflers at Super Shops down the street from there. In the 1970s these cars were just throw away used up Hot Rods,but we loved them just the same, and loved showing off what we had. I still enjoy anything vintage that takes me back to that time frame. ;D
Quote from: 427heaven on April 15, 2019, 09:06:20 PM
My 6s 409 got a fantastic stereo system, from a stereo shop next to Galpin ford , got some nice 500 cfm competition carters at Service center down the street, and then got some turbo mufflers at Super Shops down the street from there. In the 1970s these cars were just throw away used up Hot Rods,but we loved them just the same, and loved showing off what we had. I still enjoy anything vintage that takes me back to that time frame. ;D
Yeah man! Mad Man Muntz's stereo shop was next door to Galpin Ford.
Rock on!
If you can listen to stereo in your Shelby, your exhaust sucks! Haven't heard my radio in the '66 for decades as the each time I tried the speaker paper ripped. I am just relegated to a good dual point downbeat with solid lifter accents and tail pipe harmony. 8)
To make matters worse... Or better- depending how you see things, I installed a full boogie 69 boss 302 and 4 speed. My car was one of the first 66 automatics and everywhere I took it, everyone said that aint a real SHELBY everyone knows they came with 4 speeds. :-[ That did it in went the cool drivetrain and the rest is history. A rockin stereo for those times with your sweetie, or your rock and roll buddies, and the roar of Turbo mufflers with side exiting pipes to get your man groove on. ;)
Quote from: Don Johnston on April 15, 2019, 09:37:46 PM
If you can listen to stereo in your Shelby, your exhaust sucks! Haven't heard my radio in the '66 for decades as the each time I tried the speaker paper ripped. I am just relegated to a good dual point downbeat with solid lifter accents and tail pipe harmony. 8)
What about when you are at the submarine races? ;D
What about when you are at the submarine races? ;D
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Just take the 1977 Dodge "Shaggin' Wagon" with the tie dye t-shirt seat covers and 8 track sound machine for that adventure. ;D
Quote from: 427heaven on April 15, 2019, 09:50:52 PM
To make matters worse... Or better- depending how you see things, I installed a full boogie 69 boss 302 and 4 speed. My car was one of the first 66 automatics and everywhere I took it, everyone said that aint a real SHELBY everyone knows they came with 4 speeds. :-[ That did it in went the cool drivetrain and the rest is history. A rockin stereo for those times with your sweetie, or your rock and roll buddies, and the roar of Turbo mufflers with side exiting pipes to get your man groove on. ;)
That's a nice combination but what are "mufflers?"....
QuoteThat's a nice combination but what are "mufflers?"....
I think that is what people in cold regions wrap around their necks... ;D ::)
Quote from: 557 on April 14, 2019, 10:03:09 PM
Well,my car has a cassette deck in it now,would I get more points for an 8 track???(because I have one in my closet) Do I get extra points for the 6x9 speakers that a pot cut out the rear interior panels for? I already have a hurst shifter in it but will a novelty shift knob up my point total? :o
Sparkomatic power booster with pioneer TS-X9 speakers sitting on the rear shelf...sliding around at every curve in the road...
since no one has proposed a name for this prestigious class, may we offer the following name ; Shelbys meant to be driven, CS class...