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Title: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: 1967 eight barrel on April 12, 2019, 12:04:30 AM
Had CA started chomping on vintage collector cars and taxing them to death? I know there were two states looking at using the collector guide as a value to base registration and taxation on for said vehicles. Has that come to fruition? Carbon Taxes?

                                                                                -Keith
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: 557 on April 12, 2019, 01:15:59 AM
Should be based on purchase price NOT market value,at least that's what the DMV lady told me when my car came out of slumber.And she was a car collector,baby birds if I remember correctly..
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: 1967 eight barrel on April 12, 2019, 03:38:19 AM
I know tags aren't flat-rated like they are here. I pay 59.00 a year in Texas. If you bought a new vehicle or brought it with you it's 6.5%. I was paying about 840.00 a year in Ca for another vehicle that was three years old when I left in 2003.  My X father in law was paying 8K a year for his Lamborghini Diablo back then.

                                                                                                    -Keith
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: sd427 on April 12, 2019, 08:44:17 AM
Based on purchase price, but then it goes down each year for depreciation.
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: pchmotoho on April 12, 2019, 09:08:06 AM
Unless it was last year (maybe 2 years ago) when everything went up nearly 50 percent. 
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: 67 GT350 on April 12, 2019, 09:53:42 AM
WOW , crazy, they will get rid of the hobby somehow....
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: 1967 eight barrel on April 12, 2019, 04:34:44 PM
You forget, I am from Commiefornia. However, I'm not talking about new purchases. I was curious what you were paying for tags. I noted there was talk of using a value guide on collector vehicles to determine value, which is what tags are based on in CA. I bought a new Maxima just before I left in 2003.  Tags were about 800.00 a year.  I didn't know if they had implemented a system based on current values, as they generally have gone up, not down.  My tags are about 59.00 a year here.  Even for the BMWs.
                                                                                                                            -Keith
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: Cudino on April 12, 2019, 05:19:55 PM
I believe the replies above are referring to the yearly registration fees, not just the first year.  In CA, at least right now, the yearly "tag" renewal fees are based on the purchase price (or value, if received as a gift) of the car when the new ownership title is issued.  Then, as mentioned above, the CA DMV has an automatic depreciation rate, so each year this yearly renewal fee will go down a (very) little based on this depreciation schedule.  I haven't heard that CA will change this from "purchase price" to "market price", but it seems unlikely since the "purchase price" method is so tightly connected to this system now.  As mentioned it is not uncommon for an owner to have to pay thousands of dollars a year just to get new tags.

But, for anybody in CA who is not aware, CA does have a specialty plate called "Historical Vehicle".  There is a special filing process for a Historical Vehicle, but I think it is just $25.  To be considered a historical vehicle the car needs to be 25 years old or older, and of "historical significance", which nobody at the DMV really questions.  The real benefit of getting these plates is that the yearly "tag" registration fee is just a flat-rate of $109/yr (went up from $106/yr last year), rather than being a % of the purchase price.  The only side-effect is that Historical Vehicles may only be used for parades, car show events, or other similar specialty activities.  All my collectable cars are under Historical Vehicle status, since they are generally driven rarely and I greatly benefit from the low flat-rate. 

With Historical Vehicle you will get new license plates, unique to HV status.  If you have original/old CA plates that you want to keep then DO NOT surrender them to the DMV, and be sure to keep old registration and Title paperwork with the original plate# on it.  As long as you have paperwork showing your car used to have those original plates on it, and as long as you physically have both front/rear plates, then you can later get them reassigned back to your car (meaning to go back from HV plates to your original plates) without too much hassle.

- Wade
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: 2112 on April 12, 2019, 10:29:03 PM
^^^so if your 50 year old Shelby was purchased recently, you have to start the depreciation all over again based on today's value?

:P
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: Cudino on April 13, 2019, 12:00:51 AM
Yep, exactly right.  Take 2 identical 50 year old Shelby's, one still owned by its original CA owner, the other just bought yesterday.  The new CA owner will have to pay at least 5x more each year for tags.  Ugh.  At least there's the Historical Vehicle option...

- Wade
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: 2112 on April 13, 2019, 12:02:22 AM
That's messed up.
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: 1967 eight barrel on April 13, 2019, 12:12:59 AM
Well, at least they haven't crammed the leftist planned taxation and a carbon tax. Yet. It's coming.  We will eventually wind up with 3300 lb paper weights. I was reading a lot of the proposed legislation across the nation. We live in dark times.
                                                                                       -Keith
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: pchmotoho on April 13, 2019, 12:33:42 AM
No one at the DMV investigates the price that you say you paid for your vehicle. I've had several CHP friends tell me this as well as a branch manager. My ? To them was, "So if someone says they bought a 65 Mustang and the VIN number is 5S123, that car is most likely a minimum of 200k (it was an older conversation) and no one will investigate it?  They all said 100 percent correct. Their is absolutely no one who will check.

I'm talking about private party deals.

Of course dealers and suctions are a different story.
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: 1967 eight barrel on April 13, 2019, 12:42:18 AM
I know you may not know but I medically retired from the CHP in '02.  The CHP doesn't investigate.The DMV does turn some known fraud over to the DA at times. Don't think for a moment the state doesn't check. Auction information is public and can easily be verified. The state has a lot of overreach and don't think for a second they won't wield that power. They will, and do!
                                                                   -Keith
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: 2112 on April 13, 2019, 12:55:37 AM
Good reason to have it titled as a Ford rather than a Shelby.
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: 1967 eight barrel on April 13, 2019, 01:08:34 AM
Exactly!
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: mark p on April 13, 2019, 11:42:27 AM
Quote from: 1967 eight barrel on April 13, 2019, 12:12:59 AM
Well, at least they haven't crammed the leftist planned taxation and a carbon tax. Yet. It's coming.  We will eventually wind up with 3300 lb paper weights. I was reading a lot of the proposed legislation across the nation. We live in dark times.
                                                                                       -Keith

I was stewing on this earlier this morning after reading yet another article about the fantastic new fully-electric cars [in AutoWeek].
In contrast to the coming onslaught of this battery-powered finery...
We read daily about the state or federal revenue shortages. Hmmm - battery power car pays no fuel tax for road use. NJ will likely raise our fuel tax for the 3rd time in 3 years.
And, they've already closed one Nuke plant, and more [at least in the mid-Atlantic area] will follow in the next few of years.
The proposed off-shore wind farms are estimated to provide power at "only"  ::) ??? 2-1/2 times the current rates  :o That's if the permitting could ever be worked out  ???
I'm not sure where all of the power will be generated?

Seems to me that soon the gasoline tax will be viewed as just another "sin tax", thus any outrageous % will be considered OK - it's all for the common good?????
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: 2112 on April 13, 2019, 11:59:55 AM
When you can't get rid of the "guns" you tax the bullets enough to make them unobtainable
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: KR500 on April 13, 2019, 12:42:15 PM
The Ohio legislator has just proposed a $200 annual registration fee for electric vehicles and $100 for hybrids to make up for loss of revenue on the gasoline tax.
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: shelbydoug on April 13, 2019, 12:43:53 PM
Quote from: 2112 on April 13, 2019, 11:59:55 AM
When you can't get rid of the "guns" you tax the bullets enough to make them unobtainable

You do't need to. Ammo got expensive.
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: 2112 on April 13, 2019, 12:59:46 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on April 13, 2019, 12:43:53 PM
Quote from: 2112 on April 13, 2019, 11:59:55 AM
When you can't get rid of the "guns" you tax the bullets enough to make them unobtainable

You do't need to. Ammo got expensive.

Primarily Due to regulations.
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: 1967 eight barrel on April 13, 2019, 03:15:48 PM
What's funny is I know many vote for the same ones who jumped on the Socialism band wagon. This has always been the left's goal.
Self-defeating wouldn't you say? It's all fun and games until you lose everything or the government takes your business in the name of the "people" or regulates it to the point it goes under. California is a prime example.

                                                                       -Keith
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: 557 on April 13, 2019, 07:27:01 PM
I enjoy breathing the air in Cali.,so there's that......Electric motors make a TON of torque,so there's that as well....
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: 1967 eight barrel on April 13, 2019, 08:55:51 PM
I am a  So Ca native, and there is nothing clean about the air in Ca. LOL   I do miss the ocean to the mountains in two hours and without a doubt the best weather in the nation.  I just can't stand what has been done and how I was treated by a state that spends billions on Illegal aliens and those who did nothing to serve the people of the state while those of us who did have to fight, sue and deal with Kangaroo courts while what we earned stolen from us.
                                                                                               -Keith
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: 557 on April 13, 2019, 09:16:39 PM
Quote from: 1967 eight barrel on April 13, 2019, 08:55:51 PM
I am a  So Ca native, and there is nothing clean about the air in Ca. LOL   I do miss the ocean to the mountains in two hours and without a doubt the best weather in the nation.  I just can't stand what has been done and how I was treated by a state that spends billions on Illegal aliens and those who did nothing to serve the people of the state while those of us who did have to fight, sue and deal with Kangaroo courts while what we earned stolen from us.
                                                                                               -Keith
.  Hell of a lot cleaner than the 70s ...Remember 3rd stage smog alerts as a kid?Dont want that for my kids.....
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: 1967 eight barrel on April 13, 2019, 09:19:10 PM
Yes, I do remember them!  I remember how it felt during hell week playing football. Felt like a two ton gorilla on your chest!
I remember the offshore breezes pushing the smog inland against the mountain ranges. Even been up in Big Bear above the "layer"
of grey.
                                                      -Keith
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: Doug C on April 13, 2019, 09:48:11 PM
My tags in CA

1964 Tiger $168
1966 GT 350 $185
Title: Re: Just out of curiousity. What are you in CA paying for tags on your Shelby?
Post by: 557 on April 13, 2019, 10:20:48 PM
I think I pay about $100 for my 67 gt500 tags(which is based on the 1982 purchase price of $6k)