GT40 in the snow at Niagara Falls, I think on the American side ? We see some British cars in the background, from the left, a light blue and black Sunbeam Alpine, a black Austin or Morris 1100, and the two tone car is also English, I think ?
Mk. 11 at the take out ! original car ? time frame 1980s, I think it's possible.
Quote from: honker on April 25, 2019, 08:35:35 PM
GT40 in the snow at Niagara Falls, I think on the American side ? We see some British cars in the background, from the left, a light blue and black Sunbeam Alpine, a black Austin or Morris 1100, and the two tone car is also English, I think ?
Same GT40 perhaps.
https://www.legendarymotorcar.com/inventory/1966-ford-gt40pr-1291.aspx
Quote from: CSX 4133 on April 25, 2019, 09:04:03 PM
Quote from: honker on April 25, 2019, 08:35:35 PM
GT40 in the snow at Niagara Falls, I think on the American side ? We see some British cars in the background, from the left, a light blue and black Sunbeam Alpine, a black Austin or Morris 1100, and the two tone car is also English, I think ?
Same GT40 perhaps.
https://www.legendarymotorcar.com/inventory/1966-ford-gt40pr-1291.aspx
Yep, same GT40. One of the road cars P/1028. I would think the Niagara photo was taken in the late fall / early winter 1966.
Guess I'll throw these up on this thread also in case some people missed them -
- Phillip
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-050319165440.jpeg)
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-050319165333.jpeg)
MK-I vs Galaxy wagon
^^^ reminds me of the Matchbox I had as a kid :)
- Phillip
6R07mi, thanks for posting the image of the Ford GT & the station wagon, that was on the contents page of Car & Driver magazine back in the day with the caption "A chicken in every pot, and a Ford in every garage" ;)
propayne, thanks for those photos of the GT, I believe that car was on display at the 1968 Universal Exposition in San Antonio Texas. Do you have a better resolution shot, I wonder what it says on the door ? F1 Le Mans Sebring Hemphill Ford, can't make out the rest ?
Here's a couple more related to that.
Mike
Curious juxtaposition of the display being positioned in front of graphics illustrating some heavy-duty military hardware.
Honker - yes, the pictures I posted are from the 1968 Hemisfair held in San Antonio Texas.
That is at the Ford Pavilion - those display photos wrap around the wall. Besides the military pics there is also a pic of the Cougar II (Cobra based) show car.
You can look at more pics and order high resolution prints here:
http://digital.utsa.edu/cdm/
I originally posted the picture here:
http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=5109.0
- Phillip
Quote from: honker on April 25, 2019, 08:35:35 PM
GT40 in the snow at Niagara Falls, I think on the American side ? We see some British cars in the background, from the left, a light blue and black Sunbeam Alpine, a black Austin or Morris 1100, and the two tone car is also English, I think ?
Taken at the Falls before the "Clutch Artist's Motorama" in Buffalo. Frontier Ford was the Shelby dealer and Jerry Hamam was the "Hi-Po" salesperson and drove the GT40 around before and after the show. Part of the "GT40 promotion and disposal" program. I knew Jerry and saw the car at the show in 66.
Wasn't sure if this one fit with the two threads on the Shelby buildings started by "Szabo" so I'll post it here.
I think this image was on forum 1 also
The description said, press day at LAX. I don't know if this is GT/1046, the '66 Le Mans winner, or another car painted up to look like it ?
Mike
QuoteCurious juxtaposition of the display being positioned in front of graphics illustrating some heavy-duty military hardware.
Not so curious after all, he replied.
A reminder that Ford had their Ford Aerospace Corporation that was a contractor for air-to-air and ground-to-air missiles and space systems. Ford Aerospace was also involved in building the Mustang GTP's carbon fiber tub. Then it was tested using computer finite element analysis, which was a big deal in 1985.
Quote from: honker on June 27, 2019, 04:27:33 PM
Wasn't sure if this one fit with the two threads on the Shelby buildings started by "Szabo" so I'll post it here.
I think this image was on forum 1 also
The description said, press day at LAX. I don't know if this is GT/1046, the '66 Le Mans winner, or another car painted up to look like it ?
Mike
It looks like the number '2' is a different font (bolder letter, but smaller size) than the car had at Le Mans. The stripes look silver, definitely not white.
Would anyone happen to know when the press day was in 1966?
Quote from: honker on June 27, 2019, 04:27:33 PM
Wasn't sure if this one fit with the two threads on the Shelby buildings started by "Szabo" so I'll post it here.
I think this image was on forum 1 also
The description said, press day at LAX. I don't know if this is GT/1046, the '66 Le Mans winner, or another car painted up to look like it ?
Mike
Nice Pic, its from LAX 66 Press Day, but dont find out when this day was ...
Even there is no LAX Building Thread (but still in working) so i will this Add, because it shows the hole Backside from Hangar 8...
I have also a question,
does anybody know when this GT40 MK 1 is delviered, on the negativ sheets is fly out, not coming in.
on the Fender stand Scuderia Fittipaldi, is anything know about this GT40, i tryed to figure out the exact Date in Time
Greets Steve
(https://abload.de/img/79eku0.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=79eku0.png)
Szabo, great image, thanks for posting. Lots of shirts around ! could that be Ken Miles at the top of the ramp in the dark suit ?
I believe that to be the "Scuderia Filipinetti" GT40 (P/1005) being loaded at LAX, can any I.D the location ? for Le Mans '65, it carried #6 in the race.
I've included two more images from the same day, can't give a precise time frame. The other car is the "Ford France" (GT/109) which carried #15 in the race.
Mike
Looks like Ken and Dave McDonald at the top of the ramp. ;)
Quote from: honker on June 27, 2019, 04:27:33 PM
Wasn't sure if this one fit with the two threads on the Shelby buildings started by "Szabo" so I'll post it here.
I think this image was on forum 1 also
The description said, press day at LAX. I don't know if this is GT/1046, the '66 Le Mans winner, or another car painted up to look like it ?
Mike
Is that a Shelby American "Cobra" plate over the left shoulder of the occupant?
was that a usual practice for the cars' final campaigner ??
jim p
As Mike 'Honker' said, that GT40 #15 is P-1005 heading out to Le Mans. (It raced with the number '6')
I don't know the exact date, but it is safe to assume they shipped several cars out immediately after the Open House ended on June 8th.
The actual race was June 19th and 20th. All the cars would need to be there early for the tech inspection and also for a practice day or two.
They probably arrived no later than June 15th, leaving less than a one week window for the air freight date out of LAX (guessing June 9-14).
hello,
thanks for answers...
the pic is from a negativ sheet from LAX Open House Event, but it is not 100% which Day from the Event it is taken i ask here
when it is delieverd...
The Open House Event was from 6 - 8 June, the pic is made right between the Event, there are other Pics which confirm that...
but on which Date exactly is not sure for now...
and yes you are right, i also see Ken Miles on the Pics, he was on the event to...
Greets
Stephan
FYI, these pics of the LeMans 65 load out were taken at the former TWA cargo facility located on the north side of LAX rwy 25R at the intersection of taxiways bravo and foxtrot (SAI itself was located south of rwy 25L on the other side of the field).
Unlike the former SAI/NAA hangers at 6501 W Impl Hwy, the former TWA cargo facility is untouched by time and is exactly today as in these period pics (minus the TWA signage).
Quote from: camp upshur on July 01, 2019, 11:24:58 PM
FYI, these pics of the LeMans 65 load out were taken at the former TWA cargo facility located on the north side of LAX rwy 25R at the intersection of taxiways bravo and foxtrot (SAI itself was located south of rwy 25L on the other side of the field).
Unlike the former SAI/NAA hangers at 6501 W Impl Hwy, the former TWA cargo facility is untouched by time and is exactly today as in these period pics (minus the TWA signage).
That's an interesting bit of information. Thanks for sharing.
8)
Was that TWA cargo facility close to the 'Theme Building" restaurant we often see in the background of the LAX photos?
Richstang,
No the Theme Building was/is in the center of the airport complex. I don't really have a goos depiction of the TWA facility on a greater airport pic. However on these two 1965 pics the TWA facility would be at the most upper RH of the Theme Building and in the 'reverse, pic of 6501 the TWA would be at the most upper LH. Hope that helps a little.
Steve
Thanks Steve the added photo and your explanation are a big help.
In the 2011 '65-'67 Registry, pages 1286 thru pages 1289 cover the June 6-7-8, 1965 'Open House' at LAX in great detail along with several photos.
The loading of the TWA freight plane with several race cars was done as a part of the presentation to the Ford Executives on June 7th 1965.
This was also noted as the Ford Board of Directors meeting and planned to be a short (1) one hour visit.
A small sub-note: that TWA 707 in the pic went down at JFK in 1969. Killed all on board.
Quote from: camp upshur on July 02, 2019, 09:16:02 PM
A small sub-note: that TWA 707 in the pic went down at JFK in 1969. Killed all on board.
Thanks for that info. I was trying to discern the tail number and research it.
Thanks Rich for the heads up on the pages in the registry.
Also campupshur for your detailed input.
And Szabo for getting these threads started.
The level of knowledge found on here never ceases to amaze me !
Mike
Here are a couple old ford racing pics that I found hidden in an old box in the attic. There are a few more period correct prototype mustang pics too, but I didn’t post them as they are not GT-40 specific....
Here's a close up of the guys. Anybody able to identify them?
Thomas, great images 8) here and in the other thread ! thanks for posting. I'm pretty sure that's Ken Miles in the shorts, and no shirt, in the centre of the image. Obviously during testing, is that at Sebring, or the Ford Romeo proving ground ? Looks like there is an issue, the guy to the left of Miles is looking at a rag, maybe it's transmission fluid ?
Mike
Quote from: honker on July 18, 2019, 08:00:50 PM
Thomas, great images 8) here and in the other thread ! thanks for posting. I'm pretty sure that's Ken Miles in the shorts, and no shirt, in the centre of the image. Obviously during testing, is that at Sebring, or the Ford Romeo proving ground ? Looks like there is an issue, the guy to the left of Miles is looking at a rag, maybe it's transmission fluid ?
Mike
Hey Mike
You’re very welcome. Thank you very much for all of your wisdom and advise on my race car post over in the GT 350/500 forum.
I wanted to make sure that this group saw these first. Maybe they’ll provide some information to the specialists as to the Who, what and where of all these pics!
I think it’s an issue with the brakes as there is no caliper present on the rear rotor.
The pics have been stored away since the 60’s.
Could the guy without a shirt in the left be Mr Shelby?
I highly doubt the shirtless guy at the left is CS. He was a dapper dresser, after he ditched the overalls.
Slacks with sharp creases, dress shirts and Italian loafers at the races was more his style.
I first thought that photo might be Ford's Romeo P.G., as it's banked more than Dearborn P.G. is. (I've spent time on the track at both places.) But, I can't swear to it.
How did I miss the caliper not being there ::)
Thomas are you sure you're not mixing me up with another Mike on this forum, I can't remember anything from the GT350/500 forum ?
Maybe it's an age thing on my part ;)
Mike
Quote from: honker on July 18, 2019, 11:15:16 PM
How did I miss the caliper not being there ::)
Thomas are you sure you're not mixing me up with another Mike on this forum, I can't remember anything from the GT350/500 forum ?
Maybe it's an age thing on my part ;)
Mike
Lol, you may be correct Mike. I mixed you up with a different member. I have a different thread on the GT350 board in regards to a Shelby race car that I purchased recently. I've been receiving help from a bunch of great people over there to try and identify the history of the car.
I believe this is either GT/106 or GT/107, I don't think the cars had this # on track ? Both cars were tested at Dearborn, and the
Romeo proving grounds, then later at Riverside. GT/106 was also tested at Daytona twice. Later both were to be scrapped, but
GT/106 is thought to still exist. This info comes from the Ronnie Spain book (1992) The photo is an internet find, I always liked
that nose configuration 8)
Mike
Sebring 1966: front to rear....P1029....GT/103....P/1000....GT/105 8)
Mike
Nice photo of them gathered together. Never saw that one before.
I've gone through my paper, computer files, and internet, but can't find any info for a GT40 with this license plate.
Could this be William Wonder's GT/103 ? it did carry that race number a couple of times.
Obviously some where in the states, by the cars in the back ground.
Mike
These photos of #22 from VIR 1966, P1049 driven by Dick Thompson appears to be the same car.
however the VIR photos show fender mounted mirrors and the class is now "CM" vs the previous photo it looks like simply class "C"
perhaps the 1st photo is earlier event?
that's the best info I have.
regards,
jim p
Jim P, sorry for not replying sooner, thanks for your answer, and added photos, I am in agreement with you that this is P/1049 in
the photo in my post #39 above. It matches with the information in my 4th ( 2008) edition of the registry .
Mike
Is This GT/108 or GT/109 ? Info with the photo said Riverside ? ?
Mike
Quote from: Thomas on July 18, 2019, 07:35:33 PM
Here's a close up of the guys. Anybody able to identify them?
Could the guy to Ken's right ( with rag/or caliper in hand) be Phil Remington?
This is pretty cool, sheet showing prize money distribution after Le Mans 1967.
Mike
Great find!
Quote from: honker on March 14, 2020, 09:27:43 PM
Is This GT/108 or GT/109 ? Info with the photo said Riverside ? ?
Mike
IMHO, I can't speak to the location, others here are more authoritative if it's Riverside,
although I was thinking it is,
The white CSX2xxx and GT350 in the background suggests to me it may be the SAI product press day??
I seem to recall GT/108 was used for Sports Car Graphic Oct 1965 issue "Track Test" by Jerry Titus.
Were these the same incident or 2 different events???
regards,
jim p
Me in P1033 Pacific Raceways.........circa 2004-5
Also took this at Pacific Raceways, at least 20 years ago during the PNW Historics...
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/236-230420191005.jpeg)
Quote from: 6R07mi on April 23, 2020, 05:29:54 PM
Quote from: honker on March 14, 2020, 09:27:43 PM
Is This GT/108 or GT/109 ? Info with the photo said Riverside ? ?
Mike
IMHO, I can't speak to the location, others here are more authoritative if it's Riverside,
although I was thinking it is,
The white CSX2xxx and GT350 in the background suggests to me it may be the SAI product press day??
I seem to recall GT/108 was used for Sports Car Graphic Oct 1965 issue "Track Test" by Jerry Titus.
Were these the same incident or 2 different events???
regards,
jim p
Looks like RIR to me.
On another forum they are asking where this photo was taken ? Is this in the race shop at LAX ?
Mike
(photo: unattributed)
This is likely at Lemans.
It looks different (more light panels in the roof) than the race hanger LAX
Quote from: honker on March 14, 2020, 09:27:43 PM
Is This GT/108 or GT/109 ? Info with the photo said Riverside ? ?
Mike
I believe this is GT/108 on exhibition at Riverside; April 30, 1965 during the USRRC event.
It was also demonstrated at Laguna Seca on May 9th
...and again at LAX for the open house weekend on June 7-9th
Le Mans '67
Strange scoops on the nose of this MKI.
I assumed this was P-1041 at Zolder based on the race number
Mk.11 (1015) Miles-Hulme, on the scales at Le mans, 1966. Is that ken Miles with no shirt, on the right, behind the man with the
hat ? I wonder if the people leaning on the scales at left made any difference in weight ?
Mike
(photo: Getty Images)
Quote from: honker on September 30, 2021, 09:50:50 PM
Mk.11 (1015) Miles-Hulme, on the scales at Le mans, 1966. Is that ken Miles with no shirt, on the right, behind the man with the
hat ? I wonder if the people leaning on the scales at left made any difference in weight ?
Mike
(photo: Getty Images)
The photo with people touching the scales was probably taken right after it was weighed in (I hope)
It does appear to be Ken Miles...shirtless, as we see so often in the pits.
Quote from: 6R07mi on April 23, 2020, 05:29:54 PM
IMHO, I can't speak to the location, others here are more authoritative if it's Riverside,
I seem to recall GT/108 was used for Sports Car Graphic Oct 1965 issue "Track Test" by Jerry Titus.
Yes Riverside.
Was 108 the press car? When Ford wanted to do a euro looking commercial and ads they took a GT and some other cars to Catalina Island and promptly drove the GT off the pier.
6R07mi, you are right about the GT40 test, I have that magazine, Sports Car Graphic, Oct. '65, but can't get at it at the moment,
here's a grab from the net of two pages.
98SVT, your mention of Ford shooting a commercial on Catalina Island, jogged my memory, I seem to remember an article about
that incident in one of the magazines back in the day, Sports Car graphic, maybe Car & Driver, I would have to dig for it, as
mentioned above can't get to them right now.
Mike
Quote from: honker on October 01, 2021, 03:31:30 PM98SVT, your mention of Ford shooting a commercial on Catalina Island, jogged my memory, I seem to remember an article about
that incident in one of the magazines back in the day, Sports Car graphic, maybe Car & Driver,
I'll wager SCG since it was Rick Titus that told me about it.
Quote from: Richstang on September 15, 2020, 11:38:03 AM
This is likely at Lemans.
It looks different (more light panels in the roof) than the race hanger LAX
My guess is Holman Moody Charlotte.
What is a Mark V?
A Lincoln ;)
Quote from: gt350hr on October 01, 2021, 04:21:23 PM
Quote from: Richstang on September 15, 2020, 11:38:03 AM
This is likely at Lemans.
It looks different (more light panels in the roof) than the race hanger LAX
My guess is Holman Moody Charlotte.
Shelby American prepared the MKIV Foyt/Gurney No1, I'm going to stick with Le Mans.
But, they might be fluorescent lights and not roof panels.
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on October 01, 2021, 02:38:37 PM
Quote from: 6R07mi on April 23, 2020, 05:29:54 PM
IMHO, I can't speak to the location, others here are more authoritative if it's Riverside,
I seem to recall GT/108 was used for Sports Car Graphic Oct 1965 issue "Track Test" by Jerry Titus.
Yes Riverside.
Was 108 the press car? When Ford wanted to do a euro looking commercial and ads they took a GT and some other cars to Catalina Island and promptly drove the GT off the pier.
Would be fun to read that. Hopefully photos.
Where's a pier at Catalina? Maybe Rick meant the pleasure boat docks?
Quote from: Side-Oilers on October 01, 2021, 06:37:12 PM
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on October 01, 2021, 02:38:37 PM
Quote from: 6R07mi on April 23, 2020, 05:29:54 PM
IMHO, I can't speak to the location, others here are more authoritative if it's Riverside,
I seem to recall GT/108 was used for Sports Car Graphic Oct 1965 issue "Track Test" by Jerry Titus.
Yes Riverside.
Was 108 the press car? When Ford wanted to do a euro looking commercial and ads they took a GT and some other cars to Catalina Island and promptly drove the GT off the pier.
Would be fun to read that. Hopefully photos.
Where's a pier at Catalina? Maybe Rick meant the pleasure boat docks?
Back in the day Catalina had 2 piers in Avalon Harbor and a ramp in Hamilton Cove for the seaplanes (now full of Condos).
https://photovault.com/376998
Today they've taken out the old White Steamship pier and added a new dock at the south east corner of the harbor.
https://www.frommers.com/slideshows/848253-exploring-catalina-island-new-experiences-on-l-a-s-island-getaway
I'd forgotten about the Great White Steamer. Yeah, there were piers. Thanks for the pix.
Apologies for the topic drift. Now back to our program...
shelbydoug & gt350hr, good catch ! Mk. V ::) must have been brain fade ;) changed the thread heading, but don't know how
to change that for all the posts ?
Mike
Just came across this image, reminds me of a scene from a certain movie ;)
The only info with the photo said it was from a photographer (no name given) in Milwaukee. Any ideas on the dealer ? or any of the
people in the photo ?
Correction: stamp on the back reads: Graphic Studios commercial photography, 1331 N. Third Street, Milwaukee, Wis. 53212, 276-0931.
Should have dug deeper earlier :P the photo is at Northwestern Ford in Milwaukee, found the answer on Coralsnakes excellent
site, where he already had posted that image.
Mike
GT40, Falcon wagon & I think that's the Tasca AF/X Mustang at right rear.
Mike
Quote from: honker on November 18, 2021, 11:59:15 PM
Just came across this image, reminds me of a scene from a certain movie ;)
The only info with the photo said it was from a photographer (no name given) in Milwaukee. Any ideas on the dealer ? or any of the
people in the photo ?
Correction: stamp on the back reads: Graphic Studios commercial photography, 1331 N. Third Street, Milwaukee, Wis. 53212, 276-0931.
Does anyone know the number of this GT?
Should have dug deeper earlier :P the photo is at Northwestern Ford in Milwaukee, found the answer on Coralsnakes excellent
site, where he already had posted that image.
Mike
This is GT106 or GT107 at Kar Kraft. I read in the registry that 106 was tested by Miles & Tom Payne at Dearborn & Romeo and
Riverside before going to Le Mans, and there were problems with stability. Were those fins on the rear, and the side strakes on the
nose added before shipping to France ? I was under the impression they were added at Le Mans ? I'm not sure when this photo
was taken ?
(photo:Ford)
Mike
It's not really the early days of aerodynamic design but the car kept going faster and the aerodynamics couldn't keep up.
At 218mph down the Mulsanne Straight I never heard anyone mention that the cars were unstable.
The updated design was the Mark IV and it really wasn't any faster then the Mark II's.
The changes there are pretty obvious with the body shapes. I guess there was just too much drag to make it faster? Down force creates drag.
I had a Navy pilot come up to me looking for a fight. "BFD" he said. "I launch at 600mph off of a catapult".
He obviously has got no idea at all.
As a Navy Pilot with around 400 catapult shots, I can confirm that he had no idea. Cat shots are cool but 200+ down the Mulsanne in a MKII would beat it every day and twice on Sunday. Once you go off the pointy end of the ship there is very little reference of speed. The eyeball height of fhe MKII/MKIV (about 36") with the terrain whizzing past has got to be magical.
Quote from: maxjets on November 27, 2021, 04:52:39 PM
As a Navy Pilot with around 400 catapult shots, I can confirm that he had no idea. Cat shots are cool but 200+ down the Mulsanne in a MKII would beat it every day and twice on Sunday. Once you go off the pointy end of the ship there is very little reference of speed. The eyeball height of fhe MKII/MKIV (about 36") with the terrain whizzing past has got to be magical.
I'm often impressed by the big drop on the "Dragon Coaster" going no more then 30or 40mph.
It's the ridiculous rickety hirky jerky motion that is out of my control that gets to me.
In a race car or sometimes even in a real high performance street car, the giggling of the steering wheel and the inability to focus your eyes because of the vibrations is a pretty good treat at speed on the track. It isn't about the g-forces.
Having faith that your tires are gripping traveling through this sideways motion, aka cornering, with your helmet rattling against the door window will tend to get you to believing in God really fast also.
Of course I didn't say anything about jumping out of a plane and getting skin burn from the air friction. No I did not. 8)
This beauty was at a Shelby meet at Texas World Speedway in 1982. I was an Engineering student at Texas A&M University with an affinity for all things Ford and fast. They opened the track for the GT-40, a Daytona Coupe and Jay Bittle's '67 GT-500. Those three were blasting around the track in close formation and the sound was making the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
I was there and got to start the Daytona. That '65 in the background is David Ferstand's "Venum", a highly modified GT 350.
Quote from: Rickmustang on November 27, 2021, 06:18:18 PM
I was there and got to start the Daytona. That '65 in the background is David Ferstand's "Venum", a highly modified GT 350.
Rickmustang,
Any idea as to the VIN for Venuom? I took a couple of shots of a '65 at SAAC 5 in '85 with flares, what looks to be a Boss 302, and a spoiler trunk lid. I would love to positivity identify the car. It really attracted my attention back then. Could it be the same car?
I believe this was at the Texas State Fair auto show, 1966.
I posted this a while back- Speaking of Nagle's XGT-1 and the other cars; namely Fersthand's Venom; (he put the Maier flares on it and it was running a Boss 302 with Webers at the time). Enjoy this, just fast forward to 3:01. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYorxErdOD.
Quote from: S7MS427 on November 28, 2021, 03:22:19 PM
Quote from: Rickmustang on November 27, 2021, 06:18:18 PM
I was there and got to start the Daytona. That '65 in the background is David Ferstand's "Venum", a highly modified GT 350.
Rickmustang,
Any idea as to the VIN for Venuom? I took a couple of shots of a '65 at SAAC 5 in '85 with flares, what looks to be a Boss 302, and a spoiler trunk lid. I would love to positivity identify the car. It really attracted my attention back then. Could it be the same car?
The Registry shows 3 '65's LKO as Fersthandt. 247. 262. 387.
I was also at that Texas meet. Watching Shelby unfold himself from the Daytona was funny (Carroll was laughing and making pure Texan comments).
I bummed a ride from Fersthandt in Venom at Hallet one year. That car could RUN. Not even driving it in "anger" (parade laps with ride-alongs) you could tell the thing would haul.
Quote from: honker on December 14, 2021, 11:47:57 PM
I believe this was at the Texas State Fair auto show, 1966.
Great pic Mike - wheels on the right are the Trans American Products made Rader wheels that Shelby Automotive originally spec'd for the XR7-G Cougars in 1968.
Ultimately they were recalled due to poor quality. Looks like Ford designers had their eyes on those wheels as early as 1966.
- Phillip
Quote from: honker on November 20, 2021, 09:25:07 PM
GT40, Falcon wagon & I think that's the Tasca AF/X Mustang at right rear.
Mike
Those triangle shaped hood vents are usually found roadsters.
They do not match up with any of the prototype coupes that I'm aware of.
Any more info with this picture...such as where or when it was taken?
I assume it was 1965 since the car is painted in blue like when Shelby American took over the program
Quote from: honker on December 14, 2021, 11:47:57 PM
I believe this was at the Texas State Fair auto show, 1966.
Since the Ford GT is white, not blue I'd think it was prior to 1965, but...
the grille of the Ford Galaxie appears to be a 1966 models with the horizontal split.
So, maybe the photo was taken after August 1965...
It seems the state fair was an annual event in October
Quote from: shelbydoug on December 15, 2021, 08:52:04 AM
Quote from: S7MS427 on November 28, 2021, 03:22:19 PM
Quote from: Rickmustang on November 27, 2021, 06:18:18 PM
I was there and got to start the Daytona. That '65 in the background is David Ferstand's "Venum", a highly modified GT 350.
Rickmustang,
Any idea as to the VIN for Venuom? I took a couple of shots of a '65 at SAAC 5 in '85 with flares, what looks to be a Boss 302, and a spoiler trunk lid. I would love to positivity identify the car. It really attracted my attention back then. Could it be the same car?
The Registry shows 3 '65's LKO as Fersthandt. 247. 262. 387.
Doug,
I looked those numbers up too. Came up with the same thing. Looks like time frame wise, 387 fits the bill as it was purchased in 1985, the same year as SAAC 5.
Quote from: PrettyMuchAShelbyGuy on December 15, 2021, 08:05:27 AM
I posted this a while back- Speaking of Nagle's XGT-1 and the other cars; namely Fersthand's Venom; (he put the Maier flares on it and it was running a Boss 302 with Webers at the time). Enjoy this, just fast forward to 3:01. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYorxErdOD.
The pictures I took show a '65 Shelby with flared fenders and a Boss style engine topped by Webbers. Any one want to venture a guess that this car is indeed SFM5S387? I would think it is pretty conclusive. That and the Texas license plate that reads VENOM...
You could ask Howard.
I believe Dave had it at the SOA convention in Witchita KS in '75. My 6S240 was in the same class at the soloII event at the airport. I got the trophy that day.
Randy
Yes, Ferstands car was a SAAC 3 Pasadena in 78. Myself and the other 65 owners were in awe of it and the modifications. Now, I'd imagine the market would high frown on it, value wise (?).
Is it still around?
One question before we return to our regular program ;) is that an Alex Tremulis spoiler on the back of the "Venom" '65 GT350 ?
And now gentlemen back to our regular program ;)
Propayne & Rich, re: the photo of the GT40 at the Texas show, I believe that is the Ford Magic Cruiser 11 on the right, with what
could be a prototypical grill which then found it's way onto the '66 production cars, in this image we can just see the nose of the
GT on the left. Magic Cruiser also has those Rader wheels mentioned by propayne.
I've also included the link where I found that photo of the GT40, also some other neat Ford & Mercury cars there.
Mike
https://theoldmotor.com/?p=187193
Dave's still got the 65 pictured. He had it in 74 before I got my drivers license, still has it to this day.
Quote from: PrettyMuchAShelbyGuy on December 17, 2021, 05:40:16 PM
Dave's still got the 65 pictured. He had it in 74 before I got my drivers license, still has it to this day.
A very unique and cool car for sure. I'm trying to remember the first time I saw it in person? I believe that might have been Dearborn '78?
He had the Webers dialed in well.
Quote from: honker on December 17, 2021, 05:36:11 PM
And now gentlemen back to our regular program ;)
Propayne & Rich, re: the photo of the GT40 at the Texas show, I believe that is the Ford Magic Cruiser 11 on the right, with what
could be a prototypical grill which then found it's way onto the '66 production cars, in this image we can just see the nose of the
GT on the left. Magic Cruiser also has those Rader wheels mentioned by propayne.
I've also included the link where I found that photo of the GT40, also some other neat Ford & Mercury cars there.
Mike
https://theoldmotor.com/?p=187193
Thanks for that link Mike - what great info and pictures.
Article says that the "Magic Cruiser II" was built by Barris - so that explains the Raders! Don't know if there was some sort of business arrangement between Barris Kustom and Micky Thompson/Wheel Corp. of America/Trans-Am Products Ltd., but Barris seems to have almost exclusively used those wheels.
- Phillip
Quote from: honker on December 17, 2021, 05:36:11 PM
And now gentlemen back to our regular program ;)
Propayne & Rich, re: the photo of the GT40 at the Texas show, I believe that is the Ford Magic Cruiser 11 on the right, with what
could be a prototypical grill which then found it's way onto the '66 production cars, in this image we can just see the nose of the
GT on the left. Magic Cruiser also has those Rader wheels mentioned by propayne.
I've also included the link where I found that photo of the GT40, also some other neat Ford & Mercury cars there.
Mike
https://theoldmotor.com/?p=187193
Mike/Honker;
Thank you for posting that link confirm the Sept-Oct 1966 Texas State Fair date!
That was the piece of the puzzle needed to confirm which GT40 it was.
The last race for GT/104 was at the Nurburgring 1000km race in May 1965. Afterwards it was returned to Ford in Michigan
Ford had it restored/refreshed by Kar Kraft around October 1965 back to a white body with a blue hood.
It had vent covers on the nose and the lights in the lower section of the nose also match the Texas State Fair photo.
I didn't catch the custom wheels on the Galaxie to match the 'XL Magic Cruiser'. Nice addition to add.
Quote from: maxjets on November 27, 2021, 05:45:57 PM
This beauty was at a Shelby meet at Texas World Speedway in 1982. I was an Engineering student at Texas A&M University with an affinity for all things Ford and fast. They opened the track for the GT-40, a Daytona Coupe and Jay Bittle's '67 GT-500. Those three were blasting around the track in close formation and the sound was making the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
I'm not an FE expert, isn't that the tunnel port intake?
I thought it was only run in competition 66 at either Daytona or Sebring, but was not used for Le Mans??
jim p
Definitely a Tunnel Port intake...you can tell by the raised bosses the long intake bolts go thru... 8)
Quote from: 6R07mi on December 18, 2021, 12:34:45 PM
Quote from: maxjets on November 27, 2021, 05:45:57 PM
This beauty was at a Shelby meet at Texas World Speedway in 1982. I was an Engineering student at Texas A&M University with an affinity for all things Ford and fast. They opened the track for the GT-40, a Daytona Coupe and Jay Bittle's '67 GT-500. Those three were blasting around the track in close formation and the sound was making the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
I'm not an FE expert, isn't that the tunnel port intake?
I thought it was only run in competition 66 at either Daytona or Sebring, but was not used for Le Mans??
jim p
Very kool setup. Carbs are mounted backwards. Who woulda' thought? ;D
I'll bet that the linkage is probably not progressive though?
Huge tubes on the headers. Gotta be bigger then 2" primaries.
Love it!
Quote from: PrettyMuchAShelbyGuy on December 17, 2021, 05:40:16 PM
Dave's still got the 65 pictured. He had it in 74 before I got my drivers license, still has it to this day.
When I bought my GT1 car from him in Aug 2020 there was a 65 GT350 (white/gold) looking race car in his side yard that he had crashed. He intimated it was not a real GT350. His 65 must be tucked away in his barn.
This one just popped up on Facebook.
It froze me in my tracks.
Testing at Daytona, '65.
I believe this could be GT/106 ? ? From the Ronnie Spain book, 106 was tested at Daytona in August & October '65.
Also from the 4th edition of the Cobra/GT40 registry similar info.
This is the first picture I have seen from these tests, I wonder if there are others ?
Mike
Quote from: honker on January 22, 2022, 03:01:44 PM
Testing at Daytona, '65.
I believe this could be GT/106 ? ? From the Ronnie Spain book, 106 was tested at Daytona in August & October '65.
Also from the 4th edition of the Cobra/GT40 registry similar info.
This is the first picture I have seen from these tests, I wonder if there are others ?
Mike
Cool photo find! Thanks for posting
I've never seen any other photos testing at Daytona in '65.
GT/106 or GT/107 was my first thought...definitely after Le Mans in June.
Quote from: Richstang on December 15, 2021, 04:33:10 PM
Quote from: honker on November 20, 2021, 09:25:07 PM
GT40, Falcon wagon & I think that's the Tasca AF/X Mustang at right rear.
Mike
Those triangle shaped hood vents are usually found on a roadster (GT-111 at the 65 LM Trials)s.
They do not match up with any of the prototype coupes that I'm aware of.
Any more info with this picture...such as where or when it was taken?
The car is painted in blue, matching the appearance when Shelby American took over the GT40 program
The GT40 in the photo Mike posted in reply #70 is believed to be taken at the New York Auto Show, press day April 8th, 1965
Also, I believe I have now identified the Ford GT from that photo. I'm just checking on the details further before posting it.
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-020322113023.jpeg)
Carroll Shelby & Miss Santa Monica open a freeway 8)
(photo: Richard George & Road & Track)
Laurie O'Neil, GT40 P/1018, Amaroo Park, Australia, 1982. Ouch :o
Mike
Quote from: honker on January 22, 2022, 03:01:44 PM
Testing at Daytona, '65.
I believe this could be GT/106 ? ? From the Ronnie Spain book, 106 was tested at Daytona in August & October '65.
Also from the 4th edition of the Cobra/GT40 registry similar info.
This is the first picture I have seen from these tests, I wonder if there are others ?
Mike
Interesting photo documenting a snapshot in time!
observations:
* Le Mans front wheel opening aero fin present
- Le Mans front lower aero dam / deflectors - deleted
+ Revised radiator outlet opening? unclear
+ added/revised NACA ducts in nose
+ instrumented LH rear wheel
+ 66 MK-II style rear upper scoops added
+ Revised rear body contour / wheel opening ? I'll have to review 65 Le Mans photos
this is a "missing link" development stage between the 65 "MK-I" 427 prototype proof of concept stage to the 66 standardized MK-II cars (i.e. P1011, P1012, P1015, P1016, P1031, P1032, P1046, P1047, XGT-1, 2 3)
Thanks for you detailed reply concerning these tests and modifications to the car.
Hopefully more will come to light about this.
Mike
This image is identified as being at the U.S. G.P. at Watkins Glen, 1966.
I'm not sure about the cop, looks it bit photo shopped ? I believe the car on the right is one of the Eagles ?
Is that P/1046 the '66 Le mans winner on the truck in the back ground ? or one of the other cars painted up as look a like and
taken around the country to publicize the win.
Is that truck and driver from Shelby ?
Mike
In the LeMans '65 paddock photo:
Were those two white & blue travel-trailers part of the S-A racing team?
If so, did they go with the crew to all the races?
Or, were these rattle can sprayed the S-A colors after renting?
Any insight/details?
A friend of mine sent me this screen grab, I don't know what website he found it on. My friend knew all of the guys named, Joe Stimola was a friend of his from high school on. He thinks this photo is from the late '60s or early '70s, taken at Bridgehampton.
I just noticed that in this image of the Ginther/Bucknam P/1016 at speed ! at Daytona in '66 that the door is open ???
Mike
Quote from: sd427 on August 05, 2022, 07:08:45 PM
A friend of mine sent me this screen grab, I don't know what website he found it on. My friend knew all of the guys named, Joe Stimola was a friend of his from high school on. He thinks this photo is from the late '60s or early '70s, taken at Bridgehampton.
Thanks for posting.
This photo might be at Watkins Glen July 14th 1967 or 1968.
I also have it noted as Bill running that number '7' at Daytona on February 1st 1969.
sd427 thanks for that image of Bill Wonder's GT103, new to me.
Rich, I'm pretty sure thats's Bridgehampton in the pit lane, with the sand and the sea in the distance, here's a pic from '63 at
Bridgehampton with a Cobra pace car, and a couple of other Cobras on the grid, you can see that bridge in the background here as
well, it was labeled at different times "Lowenbrau" and Chevron. Looks to be pretty empty, could have been a test session
between other races.
Couldn't find a pic of a GT40 at that track in my files.
Mike
Quote from: honker on September 11, 2022, 02:41:08 PM
sd427 thanks for that image of Bill Wonder's GT103, new to me.
Rich, I'm pretty sure thats's Bridgehampton in the pit lane, with the sand and the sea in the distance, here's a pic from '63 at
Bridgehampton with a Cobra pace car, and a couple of other Cobras on the grid, you can see that bridge in the background here as
well, it was labeled at different times "Lowenbrau" and Chevron. Looks to be pretty empty, could have been a test session
between other races.
Couldn't find a pic of a GT40 at that track in my files.
Mike
Good catch
Where else do we see sand near a race track with that stepped brigde and water in the background?
I have trouble with that #7 shown in the photo. He doesn't show up with that number until the WG race in 1967 (July 14th)
He never raced it before that date that I'm aware of.
Wlliam Wonder was noted as racing 1 time at Bridgehapton as #11 in 1966.
It is the only time he was there, that I found.
He started racing GT/103 in 1966 after SAI was done with the car.
Maybe that photo was taken at a test day of some kind but, I'm guessing it was later in 1967 or in 1968.
Here's some competition history on GT/103. Note that at the top it says notable history, maybe some events are not included ?
I've looked in some of my books, Ronnie Spain's (my copy 2nd. printing 1992) tends to cover major events, so some minor races
may not be included. I don't think Wonder raced GT/103 any where else but in the USA & Canada ? After it's active comp career
he ran it in a lot of vintage events.
Here's a photo of the Wonder...Cuomo & Caldwell GT/103 at the Watkins Glen 6hour in '68, this is from the program for the GT40
reunion at the Glen in 1989.
(photo:Dave Friedman)
I had a lot of photos from that event, but my ex binned all including the negs >:( :'( and a lot of other stuff, only the program
survived.
Mike
Here's a neat photo of the cars in pit lane at Le Mans 1965. I believe this to be during practice for the race, no stabilizing fins yet
on the back of the first two cars. From the front GT106...GT107...P/1005...P/1004, and Daytona coupes...CSX 2286 & CSX 2299
Mike
Quote from: honker on April 27, 2022, 02:27:46 PM
Carroll Shelby & Miss Santa Monica open a freeway 8)
(photo: Richard George & Road & Track)
I find it interesting that in the picture with this post above that he was using a right hand drive gt 40 to open an American freeway.
Roy
Rich, i wonder if this is the same car we talked about here earlier at the '66 Texas State Fair ? In the pic with the model in the multi
coloured outfit on the right you can just see the Magic Cruiser.
These were tagged, Texas show, no other info.
In the 1st shot there is a banner that says "Mercury The Man's Car" wasn't that used in the 1967 Cougar promos, or did it appear
earlier ?
Mike
Yes, al three photos are from the same internet source at the Texas State Fair.
I beleive that event was in October 1966 and the GT40 is GT-104 restored for Ford by Kar Kraft.
Quote from: Richstang on December 13, 2022, 06:30:48 PM
Yes, al three photos are from the same internet source at the Texas State Fair.
I beleive that event was in October 1966 and the GT40 is GT-104 restored for Ford by Kar Kraft.
GT/105 ?? I recall GT/105 had the "Nassau" nose, halibrand wheels.
I just don't know what nose GT/104 received when they "refurbished" is post SAI? The more typical MK-I production version?
jim p
Jerry Melton photo archives
https://www.cliffreuter.com/etceteriniWaterfordHills1971clubraces.htm (https://www.cliffreuter.com/etceteriniWaterfordHills1971clubraces.htm)
This GT-40 may be MK-II XGT-3 ??
Don Eichstaedt is reported to have purchased from Kar Kraft in 1977,
so in 1971 it would still be a Kar Kraft asset? and Don may have had access to take it to Waterford Hills club event?
I'm interested if there are others with knowledge?
regards
jim p
super-cool webfind photo of P/1007 on display during the Jochen Rindt Show at the Messepalast Vienna in Nov 1965
(https://www.saac.com/forum/gallery/127-130523075621.jpeg)
Great photos
FWIW
reminds of the GT40 shots in the French film A Man and A Woman. The Man is a test driver and one of the cars he drives is a GT40. It was released in 1966. Don't know if this could be the same. Nevertheless the film has some of the best car-to-GT40 shots ever imho.
Ford France was a subsidiary before Ford of Europe was formed.
For the french language challenged, ecurie on the door is french for stable
Quote from: 68countrysedan on September 07, 2023, 01:09:44 AM
FWIW
reminds of the GT40 shots in the French film A Man and A Woman. The Man is a test driver and one of the cars he drives is a GT40. It was released in 1966. Don't know if this could be the same. Nevertheless the film has some of the best car-to-GT40 shots ever imho.
Ford France was a subsidiary before Ford of Europe was formed.
For the french language challenged, ecurie on the door is french for stable
You got it! P/1007 is the same GT40 used in that film.