If this isn't a scam, I am not sure how someone was able to title it as 5S214. The owner admits it is a K code clone, but I would think the current owner of 5S214 should contact Ebay and the seller. According to the registry, 5S214 was one of the cars that went to Peru. However, it doesn't look the the info has been updated recently. Just another reason why you should.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Mustang-GT-350/223547808177?hash=item340c7cd9b1:g:xTcAAOSwmftc~bTS
Not a K code unibody either.
The vehicle is titled under the Shelby VIN # SFM5S214 and has been for over 40 years.
K Code VIN# 5R09K202388
Does this cars Factory VIN# match the "Actual" 5S214?
The SFM plate number looks like the original one ...
At some time someone has gone to great lengths to make this appear like the real 5s214. Not cool (where I come from anyways).
I believe the original car is still in the Nicolini Museum in Peru. It has been many years since I spoke (through emails) with the owner.
Photos can be found in the link.
http://www.limaeasy.com/culture-guide/museums-lima/vintage-cars-museum-nicolini
Quote from: chris NOS on June 12, 2019, 02:03:53 PM
The SFM plate number looks like the original one ...
Chris, I was almost fooled also, take a closer look, there are differences between it and a real tag.
Anyone connected to a federal government employee that could point out to this fool the error of his ways??? If the "bracelets" are connected it is harder to lose them BTW...
Quote from: CharlesTurner on June 12, 2019, 04:00:20 PM
Quote from: chris NOS on June 12, 2019, 02:03:53 PM
The SFM plate number looks like the original one ...
Chris, I was almost fooled also, take a closer look, there are differences between it and a real tag.
Share with us the differences so us "less knowledgeable" will learn.
Quote from: 69mach351w on June 12, 2019, 06:38:48 PM
Share with us the differences so us "less knowledgeable" will learn.
Perhaps details like this should not be shared on a public forum. No reason to make it easier for "bad guys" to make better ones. ;)
Plenty of pictures of original plates doing a simple Google search. Put the pictures side by side, should be able to notice the differences. It's hard to detect at first glance.
Sounds good. Will do.
And A-Snake, makes sense.
Quote from: CharlesTurner on June 12, 2019, 07:33:26 PM
Plenty of pictures of original plates doing a simple Google search. Put the pictures side by side, should be able to notice the differences. It's hard to detect at first glance.
I did and this is the nicest repro plate i ever seen ,if not comparing side by side it's really hard to say , for sure it's not an old repro plate ,in the 80's when this car is supposed to be born ,the ones available were far away in accuracy from this one !
thank you,Charles .
I recall more then one '65 Rebody I had seen in the mid '70s. The ones I knew of were reported to the Registrar at the time and should be still viewable now in that '65 Registry.
Who's to say that it was limited to only those few cars? One I am thinking of in particular was actually a '66 body. The owner was completely unsuspecting.
Usually the people that get swindled are the ones that thought they were swindling the seller and they had found a "Coupe de Ville in a 'Cracker Jack' box"? '65s can be confusing simply because of the running changes through production. The Registry is very helpful in that regard and if you are going to buy a $400,000 car, would be a good investment? A caution flag should go off if someone is selling one for $30,000. ;)
Patina on a VIN tag fools a lot of folks.
And if somebody is buying the real one in peru and bring back to usa and try to put a plate on, does the DMV would say sorry but this car is already existing ?
5S214 was delivered to SAI from Ford within 4 days of my car.
The FoMoCo VIN (purported as the original VIN of 5S214) of this advertised car however is many many many many thousands of numbers off from the cars delivered in this period though.
The SAI VIN plate is accurate in comparison to mine.
This car is presently trading in the range of a suitable donor car. Many non repo'd 1965 components are on this vehicle.
The Nicolini 1965 GT-350 pics on the internet appear to show an intact car. Too bad nobody on this forum is in Peru.
Quote from: chris NOS on June 13, 2019, 11:08:24 AM
And if somebody is buying the real one in peru and bring back to usa and try to put a plate on, does the DMV would say sorry but this car is already existing ?
You'd have to talk to someone who works for a DMV in the US and ask about that situation? I think that all the states computers are tied together but who knows for sure? I would presume that the system would show a duplicate serial number in another state but I don't know that for sure.
Some of the smaller states may be still operating under an older system for budgetary reasons?
In NYS, there is no title until the 1973 model year, so essentially you can walk into a DMV office and register it. They have no records of the Ford number like SAAC does.
When the cars were new, that's often how new Shelby's would disappear after they were stolen. The thief would just register the car under the Ford number which would be "clean".
It was even a problem with Cobras. The car could only be identified by the plate pop riveted to the car.
There was a famous case of a 427 Cobra that was a street car. The owner at the time purchased a genuine but stolen VIN tag from an S/C and just pop-riveted on.
The owner sold the car as an S/C. The new owner discovered that it wasn't and sued for fraud.
Right apron Shelby vin stamping doesn't look correct. Lots of original looking parts.
Do I see "genuine leather" seat covers?
Same font and dimensions as mine.
Although on mine they spaced the SFM w greater interval.
Quote from: camp upshur on June 13, 2019, 06:13:41 PM
Same font and dimensions as mine.
Although on mine they spaced the SFM w greater interval.
I'm no expert, so this is merely a question: Would the steel of the fender have been so dented in, if it were a Ford factory stamp?
Looks to me like this pix shows varying degrees of impact dents in the metal.
I'm not talking about the depth of the letter/numbers, but of the metal around the letters/numbers as a whole.
There was a thread on the old forum wherein many of us posted our RH VINs.
To say they were 'all over the place' would be kind.
I have no idea if this car is the original, but both the VIN plate and the RH stamping are not red herrings compared to mine, but we are always learning!
Quote from: Side-Oilers on June 13, 2019, 06:34:01 PM
I'm no expert, so this is merely a question: Would the steel of the fender have been so dented in, if it were a Ford factory stamp?
Looks to me like this pix shows varying degrees of impact dents in the metal.
I'm not talking about the depth of the letter/numbers, but of the metal around the letters/numbers as a whole.
This was done at SA, not Ford. Don't believe any attempt was made to shore up from the bottom, so the only thing to help would be the top edge of the coil spring cover underneath to stiffen the area.
Since it was done at SA, the stamping would have natural steel showing where the stamps were made. Original cars usually show surface rust on the letters/numbers.
Thanks for the info, Charles. Makes sense.
And yes, I knew it was SA (and not Ford) that did it...but the old mind temporarily slipped a cog today... ;D
Van
Quote from: CharlesTurner on June 12, 2019, 01:22:17 PM
Not a K code unibody either.
So you don't think it was a real K-code? How can you determine that?
Quote from: PerryH on June 18, 2019, 05:33:00 PM
So you don't think it was a real K-code? How can you determine that?
IMHO it would not be wise to show how these sorts of things can be determined on a public forum. Even if some of the points are fairly and somewhat widely know it only goes to educate others on how to make better fakes.
Just an opinion but its pretty easy to see what Charles was referring to if you think through what the differences would be between the different models.
Quote from: CharlesTurner on June 13, 2019, 08:52:43 PM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on June 13, 2019, 06:34:01 PM
I'm no expert, so this is merely a question: Would the steel of the fender have been so dented in, if it were a Ford factory stamp?
Looks to me like this pix shows varying degrees of impact dents in the metal.
I'm not talking about the depth of the letter/numbers, but of the metal around the letters/numbers as a whole.
This was done at SA, not Ford. Don't believe any attempt was made to shore up from the bottom, so the only thing to help would be the top edge of the coil spring cover underneath to stiffen the area.
Since it was done at SA, the stamping would have natural steel showing where the stamps were made. Original cars usually show surface rust on the letters/numbers.
On the old forum we had noted that not all cars were stamped near the coil spring, 17 was one of them, much closer to the front of the apron, so there are exceptions to the rule. This is a well done clone, nothing more. If Howard is following this, I wonder if he has contact info for the Peru owner.
Mike
I sent howard pictures of the car in Peru back before their were pictures of it on the internet. At the time, it was known that there was a car in CA which was claiming to be 214...the description here reads that it was in CA till 2015 so I would assume this is the same car.
Kind regards,
Vern