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The History => Shelby American History => Topic started by: Szabo on July 06, 2019, 07:01:05 PM

Title: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 10.02.24 - 4 new colored Pics May 65 w. Comparsion
Post by: Szabo on July 06, 2019, 07:01:05 PM
Hello,

after Princeton Drive and Carter Ave also is finished i will start with the last Building in Californian ...

Shelby American Inc., West Imperial Highway 6501, Los Angeles, California

or as Shortcut LAX

for me personal it is my masterpiece, i am always a big fan of the 1965 - 1966 GT350 and so
in LAX the most magic happend ...

for sure i like the Cobra and Daytona also but my passion belongs to GT350

For a long time in my life i wanted to even know what happend here in LAX, but i never make
the work to detailed this at the Level i do it with the Buildings of Princeton and Carter ...

When you looked long enough on several Internet Homepage, looking in books and even in
Promotial Videos you can find lot of Pics ...

But at this Time, and to make it really detailed, i want you to help me ...
I want to have a nearly correct Timeline what happend at LAX.

SO PLEASE feel totally free to post any Pic from LAX you have when you can make it fix
with a Date ... and even when you have no Timedata on the Pic ... i want it, too  ;D



I dedicate this Thread to the great George Watters ... i had some emails with him and he wrote me
some stories from LAX where he was ... and for sure without his great Pics we can´t even do such a work.

He inspired me to do this work and find Details which maybe we all know befor but never see in
the hole context inside of the Buildings.


Also i want to thank Richstangs, we wrote very much in the last Days and he is so helpfull with all these
different timecodes and Pics to me ... even Side-Oiler with his knowledge and Life-Time Experience.
I hope i don´t forget somebody.

So i will beginn with Part 1.1 and some Bird View Pics of the hole LAX Building ...

in these Pics we see all Shelby rent for building the cars we all love in the forum.
and even the work was in full action ... we see the finished GT350 (with Hoods)
standing in Rows and we see even the Cobras standing.

(https://abload.de/img/10pwjsr.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=10pwjsr.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/205qj9z.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=205qj9z.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/5015jjy.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=5015jjy.jpg)

This Pic is a little bit surprising ... maybe it is made befor Shelby rent that area
or shortly after leaving ... we see the hole area clean and clear oof Cars

Edith: Thanks Richstangs, Timecode is Early 65, even befor Shleby produced Cars but have already rent the area

(https://abload.de/img/1i7kjw.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1i7kjw.jpg)

This is a pic from a later Timecode on LAX, some Buildings are added on and we see a lot
of Airplanes ... the place was very big  ;)

Edith: Thanks CAMP-USHUR, Timecode September 1967 after Shelby rent was ended

(https://abload.de/img/996qj9y.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=996qj9y.jpg)

Even the Building are standing so it would be very hard working on it, enlarge it, modified it
and change ramps and even Gates or whatever was needed ...

But when you look at Google Earth you can see the hole ground are right it was in the
Sixties and so i add some 3 D Pic from 2019

and even i make some simply Measurements with Google to find out how big some Details was
they are not exactly but we have a close overlook of the hangars and this floor tiles ...

(https://abload.de/img/5555u8k8s.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=5555u8k8s.png)

(https://abload.de/img/1508vj6d.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1508vj6d.png)


The Next step, Part 1.2, was found a few years ago, after long search i found the BLUEPRINTS of LAX like it was planned
for Shelby Production ... these Blueprints well help in near future to get the hole inside view of the Hangars.

The Item is still on sale on the Homepage ... for 6995 Bucks you can hang it in your Living Room, for me too much.
https://fastlanecars.com/gift-shop/46/signed-by-carroll-shelby

(https://abload.de/img/32772_dsc_0761e9jjm.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=32772_dsc_0761e9jjm.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/32775_dsc_0765dvkn5.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=32775_dsc_0765dvkn5.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/32778_dsc_0768hwjv6.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=32778_dsc_0768hwjv6.jpg)

and last Part for Today, Part 1.3,  the Sales Office and Gate Entrance ...
i am sure you all know the Pics and there is no surprising Details but only to get a full Walk-Around-Trip
i will add the Pics and even a little Detailing.

For the Open Pic from Sales Office i will use the Profilpic of SFM66H, even he did the hole work with George Watters for the
famous George Watter Collection, and even to appreciation his hole work ... and even it´s in Colour.

(https://abload.de/img/unbenannt66e7kh5.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=unbenannt66e7kh5.jpg)
does anybody know the exactly Colour that is used on the Pillars from Sales Office ?

but of course, many cars are pictured right befor the Sales Office, the GT350S we know all and maybe this one too, but it let us
see a little bit inside of the S.O.
(https://abload.de/img/shelbydelivers1stmark67jf3.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=shelbydelivers1stmark67jf3.jpg)

just to get another Coloured Pic i will use this one from famous "Ford goes Raceing" Video
(https://abload.de/img/unbenannt6462xhj1o.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=unbenannt6462xhj1o.jpg)

and for sure all of us know the following Pic but it´s a very good one to show the hole meshed up fence around the area from LAX
and the little Keepers House.

(https://abload.de/img/the_gate_at_lax224njwr.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=the_gate_at_lax224njwr.jpg)

maybe a little unkown fact is that the S.O. was only on front and Gateside higher than the rest of the Building ...
you can see this in this enlarge Picframe ...
(https://abload.de/img/view_3_best_looking_epdkac.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=view_3_best_looking_epdkac.jpg)


For the first i will go to work on the Hangars and make on in a few days or even tomorrow...

What does you mean about the Thread, or even you have information and dont forget your Pics (with Timecodes on it)
please share and keep the Thread alive...


Greets from Germany

Steve / Stephan / Szabo





Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX / W. Imperial HWY 6501- Bird View & Blueprints & Sales Of.
Post by: Richstang on July 07, 2019, 11:03:48 AM
Hello,

after Princeton Drive and Carter Ave also is finished i will start with the last Building in Californian ...

Shelby American Inc., West Imperial Highway 6501, Los Angeles, California

This Pic is a little bit surprising ... maybe it is made befor Shelby rent that area
or shortly after leaving ... we see the hole area clean and clear oof Cars

(https://abload.de/img/1i7kjw.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1i7kjw.jpg)

This is a pic from a later Timecode on LAX, some Buildings are added on and we see a lot
of Airplanes ... the place was very big  ;)

(https://abload.de/img/996qj9y.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=996qj9y.jpg)

Greets from Germany
Steve / Stephan / Szabo


Steve, I don't know how you get so many photos into one post.

My notes agree, the first photo of the empty LAX grounds was taken just before Shelby American moved in, back in early '65.
I suspect they already had the lease as we can see the smaller sales office building is already in place.
A quick look at side-oilers find of the "Historic Aerials" website does not show that office in 1963.

The second photo showing all the planes on site was noted as taken shortly after Shelby's lease ended (we know they moved out in August).
My notes indicate it was sometime around September '65. It is hard to believe the sales office is already gone at that point. The blast wall is still there.

I think the accent paint color on the sales office was either a very dark blue or black. It's tough to say for sure from all these photos, as most are B&W.


Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX / W. Imperial HWY 6501- Bird View & Blueprints & Sales Of.
Post by: camp upshur on July 07, 2019, 12:30:25 PM

The parked 707s are due to the Pan Am-TWU labor action September 1967.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX / W. Imperial HWY 6501- Bird View & Blueprints & Sales Of.
Post by: Side-Oilers on July 07, 2019, 02:22:41 PM
Great info on the Pan Am date, thanks Camp Upshur.

I agree that the top photo is before S-A moved in. The expansion of the LAX North runway hadn't begun, not even clearing out many blocks of houses in that area...at the very top of the pix. I lived in that area and remember when the house tearing down work began. Was around 1966, and lasted through about 1970.  That future area is represented by the red outline I drew.

Yes, interesting that the S-A sales office wasn't in place very long.

Do we know what company leased that property BEFORE Shelby moved in? 

Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX / W. Imperial HWY 6501- Bird View & Blueprints & Sales Of.
Post by: Richstang on July 07, 2019, 03:10:42 PM
Do we know what company leased that property BEFORE Shelby moved in?

The name 'American Aviation Inc.' is shown on the Shelby production line hanger in one of the open house photos.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX / W. Imperial HWY 6501- Bird View & Blueprints & Sales Of.
Post by: Side-Oilers on July 07, 2019, 03:24:59 PM
Thanks, Rich, for that info on the previous tenant.

Here is the Playboy jet, photo dated April 1, 1971.  I remember seeing this plane parked near the former S-A hangars in the 1970s.

Is that a former S-A building behind the plane in this shot?

Imperial Blvd is to the right side of the photo, and the Imperial Bowl that I had previously mentioned was directly across the street from the S-A facility.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX / W. Imperial HWY 6501- Bird View & Blueprints & Sales Of.
Post by: Szabo on July 07, 2019, 04:03:06 PM
Thanks a lot for the hole reply on this thread ...

i will add the Timedates to the Pics i have been posted.

I also know the Pic with the Cobra, but never was abeld to find out what the letters says ... Thanks again Richstangs.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX / W. Imperial HWY 6501- Bird View & Blueprints & Sales Of.
Post by: Szabo on July 07, 2019, 04:14:26 PM
Thanks, Rich, for that info on the previous tenant.

Here is the Playboy jet, photo dated April 1, 1971.  I remember seeing this plane parked near the former S-A hangars in the 1970s.

Is that a former S-A building behind the plane in this shot?

Imperial Blvd is to the right side of the photo, and the Imperial Bowl that I had previously mentioned was directly across the street from the S-A facility.

i think this is Hangar 9, the ShowCar / Race Shop Hangar, you can see on your Photo that the Wall of the left side
is ending shortly after the Windows ... best Pic to see the hole Buildings is this one ...

(https://abload.de/img/29nwk3d.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=29nwk3d.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX / W. Imperial HWY 6501- Bird View & Blueprints & Sales Of.
Post by: camp upshur on July 07, 2019, 04:51:13 PM

North American Aviation at one time had manufacturing along the entire length of 25L, the 6501 hangers were the last remaining.
Specifically the 6501s were where T-39s were last manufactured. Note the ‘Product Development Sabreliner’ sign still hanging in the upper RH photo.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX / W. Imperial HWY 6501- Bird View & Blueprints & Sales Of.
Post by: camp upshur on July 07, 2019, 04:56:30 PM
The ‘Playboy’ DC-9 was not parked at SAI but at the adjoining former ‘West Imperial Terminal’ now the ‘Flight Path’ museum.
The rampage between, while not part of SAI, was used for cargo offload for SAI though:
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX / W. Imperial HWY 6501- Bird View & Blueprints & Sales Of.
Post by: Szabo on July 08, 2019, 01:19:05 AM

The ‘Playboy’ DC-9 was not parked at SAI but at the adjoining former ‘West Imperial Terminal’ now the ‘Encounters’ museum.
The rampage between, while not part of SAI, was used for cargo offload for SAI though:

Thanks for your support... great Detail in this Shield unser the Hangar  ...

Does anybody know when the Cobras are uploaded in SAI ?
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX / W. Imperial HWY 6501- Bird View & Blueprints & Sales Of.
Post by: Szabo on July 10, 2019, 04:57:42 PM
Hey,

befor i go a few days on a big BMW Meeting i will show you my part two...

Hangar 8 aka Production Hangar

first lets go outside and talk a little walk around tour.

like always i mixed different pics from different Timecodes, when you have
any information let me know about the Timecodes for the pics.

And feel totally free to post any Pic from LAX / Hangar 8 you see or have,
only this put some live in this Thread


Hangar 8 was the one where the inner Side was totally closed,
in the Blueprint stands "Parts & Office" and i totally believe that.

i beginn with a pic to see front from Hangar 8 right behind the Sales Office
the GT350 going naked inside to come on the other side out as finished cars.
(https://abload.de/img/2qvkyi.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=2qvkyi.jpg)

EDIT: thx to Richstangs here is another pic

Here is another one, in backround we see the open roof from Hangar 9,
just some knocked down GT350 are ready to be completed.

(https://abload.de/img/66earlylotab2kdu.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=66earlylotab2kdu.jpg)

then we go right to the edge, you can see the Stairs for first floor,
like sayed befor you can still read "American Aviator Inc." on the wall,
which was the former Company befor Shleby rent the aera.
(https://abload.de/img/35udjgw.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=35udjgw.jpg)

for the next to Pics no big surprised, only check the doors to come
in and out for the "Parts" Area
(https://abload.de/img/37hqkjy.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=37hqkjy.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/38kzk3r.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=38kzk3r.jpg)

Right behind the edge, on the End of the blast Wall we can see the
other Stairs coming down from first floor, some nice Cobras and
even some 66 Red´s are standing finished for delievering

(https://abload.de/img/60cmjjj.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=60cmjjj.jpg)

from this Pic you can see in the Backround the total Backside with a lot
of Part Boxes to make the GT350 ...
i hardly believe this is a Pic from 66 Production, note the dark paint
GT350 on the right side and behind the R is standing a GT40 (Mark I)
(https://abload.de/img/70n7jqx.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=70n7jqx.jpg)

at this Bird View Pic we see the last side behind the meshed fence
on the front side from the Hangar ... this Pics from an 66
show some Details, like an Electricity trafo (is that term right ?)
(https://abload.de/img/991lgk65.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=991lgk65.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/hangar8parkinglotfrone0k39.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=hangar8parkinglotfrone0k39.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/hangar8parkinglotfronvnkeh.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=hangar8parkinglotfronvnkeh.jpg)

at last i make an simply skeetch where the pics are standing on the area,
not that for a better result some are reversd shown.

(https://abload.de/img/1nvj05.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1nvj05.jpg)





Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX / W. Imperial HWY 6501- Bird View & Blueprints & Sales Of.
Post by: Szabo on July 10, 2019, 05:35:53 PM
and here is the Inside from Hangar 8 / Production Hangar

befor Shelby production is going on some hard modification was needed for inside the Hangar
and even to make more Pieces in faster time they graved a big pit line to carry all the Cars
over the floor without jacking up every single one, like we see that on Carter Ave. Building

One of my favourite Pics an even a very early one is showing the Daytona Coupe
getting some Paint from the inner Paint Booth Boxes right behind a GT350

it is also picurted in a book with the Text: if any one have some blue paint spray
on his new GT350 and wondered why, here is the answer :-D

Note the Hoods standing, ready for paint

the hole Backround is nearly empty, only some Cars standing in line
for getting jacked over the pit line

EDIT: Thx to Richstangs this Pic was made late November / early December 1965 after some
salt damage on Bonneville Racing


(https://abload.de/img/596juo.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=596juo.png)

on second pic we see the pit lane, lot of action and even Cars in a row
which getting Shelby Parts
Note the Cobra standing in the left side right behind the Paint boot box,
the Hood is standing off and we see a black hood scoop

(https://abload.de/img/10kzkz0.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=10kzkz0.jpg)

next one show some welding action on the over traction bars for a 65 GT350,
note the Cobra in the backround, same as on the Pic befor.

(https://abload.de/img/11yok7w.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=11yok7w.jpg)

on another time code pic there are standing some dark painted cobras in
the row behind the pit grave...
good looking on the jacking system to carry the Cars on ...

(https://abload.de/img/12r1kdd.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=12r1kdd.jpg)

Think this one is on the same Timecode like the one befor, even some
Cobras standing in the row
(https://abload.de/img/16m6k5v.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=16m6k5v.jpg)

here we see a 427 Engine for a Cobra and in the Backround the Pit line

(https://abload.de/img/18427enginetekty.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=18427enginetekty.jpg)

Here is a really nice one, i loved that old coloured pics, a early 67 GT350/500
Production on LAX, on the Car stands 0021, is that right ?

EDIT: thx to Richstangs it is 00231, wich was on SAI from 12/15/66 to 01/03/67

(https://abload.de/img/20qdkz3.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20qdkz3.jpg)

All the pics are shown was nearly from the same position in the Hangar,
all have the entrance Gate in the Backround, i only found some very
little pics where the exit Gate is shown ...
in this one we see a lot of boxes inside the hangar standing. on the right
side even one of the paint booth boxes.

(https://abload.de/img/22aaf6b8449822a1c44aaaejhb.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=22aaf6b8449822a1c44aaaejhb.jpg)

Even i make some video Research and they are only two on Youtoube
one is the "Ford goes Racing Video" and the other is this one https://youtu.be/61nSlyJrw_A

i even make some (bad) Screenshots to show that in 66 Production there was 3 Rows to finished the Cars after beeing in the Pit Lane...

(https://abload.de/img/unbenannt661j3j0z.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=unbenannt661j3j0z.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/unbenannt665dujvd.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=unbenannt665dujvd.jpg)

For the end i will show a screenshot from the Parts Area right behind production line and under the Office Area in first floor...

Boy, this would be priceless at today days...

(https://abload.de/img/21yxkhv.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=21yxkhv.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/22o9k0c.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=22o9k0c.jpg)

So, what you mean ? share your thougts, your stories and your pics ...

Greets

Steve

(https://abload.de/img/1z8kzs.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1z8kzs.jpg)



Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX / W. Imperial HWY 6501- Hangar 8 (Production) In & Outside
Post by: Side-Oilers on July 10, 2019, 07:28:24 PM
Thanks for another great job, Steve!   Not sure what I can add to that.
Van
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX / W. Imperial HWY 6501- Hangar 8 (Production) In & Outside
Post by: Richstang on July 11, 2019, 01:22:12 PM
Thanks for another great job, Steve!   Not sure what I can add to that.
Van
+1
Well executed on both inside and outside for the Production hanger.

I sent you an email, but you might not have read it before your BMW meet.
-The white '67 Shelby on the line is #00231, a GT500 built by Ford SJ on 12/15/66 and completed by Shelby American on 1/3/67
-The Daytona Coupe (CSX2287) getting paint repairs with the '65-'66 hoods in the spray booth, was noted as taken in late Nov. / early Dec. '65, after the Bonneville record runs (salt damage).
That is one of the outside spray booth behind the Race Hanger...under the overhang.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX / W. Imperial HWY 6501- Hangar 8 (Production) In & Outside
Post by: Szabo on July 11, 2019, 02:50:25 PM
Thank you both for your replys

I think everyone can say a little bit, i am happy when answers come in, even some thougts are
interessting for me...

Thx Richstangs for the Timecode, i even make Edit´s on the original thread, only a few hours befor i drive to BMW Meeting  ;)

Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX / W. Imperial HWY 6501- Hangar 8 (Production) In & Outside
Post by: Szabo on July 20, 2019, 04:38:58 PM
Hello again,

after a few days i will come back with my work on Hangar 9 (Show Car / Race Shop) on LAX

This Hangar took me busy for a while, the outside was not a big problem, but the inside took me some days
and even nights.

So first we make a little outside tour ...

right after the Sales Office at the Entrance you can see directly on the big gate from Hangar 9

(https://abload.de/img/4fwkwt.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=4fwkwt.jpg)


We see the first details like the backside of Sales Office was lower at the the front side ...
an on the Hangar we see it is very dark inside, not much light inside

and we see some big white shields with direction on it.

(https://abload.de/img/7x6jnc.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=7x6jnc.png)

on the next one some GT350 but we can look in the Hangar and even trough the backside out again...
when we come to the inside this would be interessting...

Not that a few glass Windows of the Gates are broken or have damaged

and we have a quick look at the ramp on the right side.

(https://abload.de/img/108wkxr.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=108wkxr.jpg)

on this pic we see it a little bit clearer ...
(https://abload.de/img/817jh9.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=817jh9.jpg)

we can see this loading ramp in the backside of the Daytona Coupe
(https://abload.de/img/11n1k41.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=11n1k41.jpg)

when we go behind the Edge we see the open under roof section from the former buisness on LAX

on this early pic we see in the backround is some work going on ...
We have no Paint Booth Boxes like on later pics
Anyone have a Timecode for this Pic ???

(https://abload.de/img/12hjk36.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=12hjk36.jpg)

on the later Pics (Open House Day) the Paint Booth Boxes was installed like on the blueprint plan shown.
(https://abload.de/img/13s4jp3.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=13s4jp3.jpg)


Here a closer look on the Paint Boxes
(https://abload.de/img/18gxkrk.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=18gxkrk.jpg)

between the Boxes and the side gate from hangar 9 we see another little corrugated iron Shack
than comes the Side Gate and shortly after the outside paint boxes ...

(https://abload.de/img/15nvkp2.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=15nvkp2.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/19rejd9.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=19rejd9.jpg)

on the street was some marking stripes and when we look at this pic we can read it ... NO SMOKING
(https://abload.de/img/21ouk3o.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=21ouk3o.jpg)

after the Paint Boxes to the edge of Building, which was closed and not open i have no pics but on the edge
to the backside was some action going on...

(https://abload.de/img/298mkbp.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=298mkbp.jpg)

on this early Pics we see a transporter standing and even a USRCC Cobra
(https://abload.de/img/27xajkq.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=27xajkq.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/28e1juj.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=28e1juj.jpg)

on a later pic we see some work is going on ...
(https://abload.de/img/25xvkng.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=25xvkng.jpg)

and on this pic from the backside we can see there is a Wall of white brickets ... i dont know what was
behind the wall or even there was another small building build...

EDIT: a new pic shows what behind the Brick wall, there were build some smaller building but
high enough so even trucks can drive in or out...

(https://abload.de/img/306pjs1.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=306pjs1.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/40pykwo.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=40pykwo.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/bca324702d44d54a9677b4qkux.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=bca324702d44d54a9677b4qkux.jpg)

on this last Pic from Outside we can see there was some gas pumps on the Aera...
in the backround we see this huge electricity trafos ... and so we know that this Pic was made right behind
Hangar 9

(https://abload.de/img/45sgj50.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=45sgj50.jpg)

I will finished here for the first time, i go to the inside in a few moments

Edith, the outside overview

(https://abload.de/img/0flk5s.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=0flk5s.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings - LAX - Hangar 9 ( ShowCar / RaceShop ) Outside Tour
Post by: honker on July 20, 2019, 06:18:56 PM
Szabo, great thread ! this one and the others, you have put a lot of work into this  8)

You probably know this one, a more recent (not sure of the date) image. looks like the grading is changed at the delivery doors as well, what side of the building is this ?

Mike
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings - LAX - Hangar 9 ( ShowCar / RaceShop ) Outside Tour
Post by: Side-Oilers on July 20, 2019, 11:01:11 PM
Another great job of everything, Steve!   The details are wonderful.

As for this photo, in the background, does anyone know why two or three notchbacks were there?  They look like vinyl top cars.  Or are they convertibles with their tops up? 


Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX / W. Imperial HWY 6501- Bird View & Blueprints & Sales Of.
Post by: CharlesTurner on July 20, 2019, 11:44:42 PM

EDIT: Thx to Richstangs this Pic was made late November / early December 1965 after some
salt damage on Bonneville Racing


That's SFM5S304 to the right in the picture.  Work started on that car May 20, 1965 and was completed May 26, 1965.  Narrows the possible timeline by just a few days.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings - LAX - Hangar 9 ( ShowCar / RaceShop ) Outside Tour
Post by: Szabo on July 21, 2019, 02:39:14 PM
Szabo, great thread ! this one and the others, you have put a lot of work into this  8)

You probably know this one, a more recent (not sure of the date) image. looks like the grading is changed at the delivery doors as well, what side of the building is this ?

Mike

I think this must be the new front side from Hangar 8 ... the building was heavy modified over the years but look actual
my screenshot is just a few weeks old from 2019

(https://abload.de/img/5555kzkbt.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=5555kzkbt.png)
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings - LAX - Hangar 9 ( ShowCar / RaceShop ) Outside Tour
Post by: Szabo on July 21, 2019, 03:12:00 PM
Another great job of everything, Steve!   The details are wonderful.

As for this photo, in the background, does anyone know why two or three notchbacks were there?  They look like vinyl top cars.  Or are they convertibles with their tops up?

i found a pic we can see this a little bit closer ... all this Stangs are standing on the "Company Cars" Parking Lot, which about 20 Cars
so found on the Blueprint from Lax

on another Pic we see one more Hardtop standing next to the Cobra

(all Pics from Open House Event 6-8 June 65)

(https://abload.de/img/4bijzg.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=4bijzg.png)

(https://abload.de/img/117ej0n.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=117ej0n.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings - LAX - Hangar 9 ( ShowCar / RaceShop ) Outside Tour
Post by: cob4ra on July 21, 2019, 03:56:07 PM
Fantastic pictures; I’m wondering if anyone has any pictures of the Hertz Cars outside like these 65 pictures?
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings - LAX - Hangar 9 ( ShowCar / RaceShop ) Outside Tour
Post by: Szabo on July 23, 2019, 03:31:18 PM
After some Search on the web i found this pic from a cobra and in the backround
we see whats going on on the other Side of the Wall...

i will add this pic in the original thread for a little timeline ...

i see there are building something like a Garage where Cars or even truck drive in and out
when you look at upper top windows from original Building the Building are not only a brick wall
the building are wide...

anyone have an Idea what this could be ???

(https://abload.de/img/bca324702d44d54a9677b4qkux.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=bca324702d44d54a9677b4qkux.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings - LAX - Hangar 9 ( ShowCar / RaceShop ) Outside Tour
Post by: Szabo on July 25, 2019, 05:55:40 PM
Hello,

not much going on in this Thread ...

But i will finish my work on LAX, after that i will just post for fun ...

Hangar 9 was for a long time my a struggeling puzzle in my head ... i looking of all the pics and dont found out,
how all pics come together.

But after weeks, days, hours i have a solution for all this and its a little bit like it is in Carter Ave. Building

The Action is on the Backside and not on the Frontside ...

But enough from just words, lets have a look...

right when you go from Sales Office into the big gate of Hangar 9 you will enter a "Show Area"

in an Newspaper Articel from 13 June 1965 in LA Times, (yeah i even study Newspaper article for Pics and Infos)
just a few days after "Open House Event"
it is be titeld that in this Aera was for Promo Ads from Pre-Production Cars

Surley a most knows Pic is again from George Watters Collection, it was from Open House Event, Day 2, Monday 7 June 1965
"Ford Director of the Board" Meeting, including Henry Ford II
and it is shown this magic 66 Prototyp with this Front Grill Sign  ...

I am faczinated from these Pic and even this hole Open House Meeting.
and it was even the first pic for all the Research Work on Hangar 9

(https://abload.de/img/26akyf.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=26akyf.jpg)

on this Enlarged Pic, you can Read a 13 on the Pillar, on the Pic befor over that stand CB
(https://abload.de/img/3gukkg.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=3gukkg.jpg)

So, for me was the main point --- all the Pillars have standing some Letters and numbers

After a really long time in Research i found this stunning pic in a book ... an now the hole magic begin
Another Pic from another angle from exactly this Ford Director of the Board Meeting
this was a really happy moment for me...

We can see so much deaitls, even more cars standing in this circle (Sunbeam Tiger), a large Display behind the crowed
and we see CB 14 to CB 16 on the Pillars to the Gate.
(Note that the Timecode Date is wrong, Pic is not taken in April! )
(https://abload.de/img/4tqj5l.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=4tqj5l.jpg)

After Show Car Area was a large Section Wall to the Race Car Shop Area ...

on this Pic we can see a Cobra standing right befor the Section wall, on the Pillar is CB 10 written
(https://abload.de/img/5t1j4w.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=5t1j4w.jpg)

After the section wall, or even from the backside of the Hangar
(Boy, that took long befor i understanding
the fact that the Hangar has 2 Gates to come in, blind from all the Pics like a child in the candy shop)
was the Race Shop (Prototyp Area too) ...

there are some well knows pics again and so i will starting with these ones

we are standing in the Hangar, middle of the RaceCar Area and looking at the gates again.
(https://abload.de/img/6tujzs.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=6tujzs.jpg)

the pic is made at the same moment as the one befor, we see only Shelby converting to "R" Models
and in the Front is 5S003 converting back to street configuration to be later sold ...

Note the Details: on the Pillars standing CA 1 - CA 3
(Funny Fact: Note the big "COBRA" Banner on the Wall)

(Source is http://1965gt350mustang.com/history.html )
(https://abload.de/img/7ptk02.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=7ptk02.jpg)

on this Pic later made on LAX History, and even in beautifull Colour, we can see the same Angle of shooting
with different Cars, the Notchback Hardtops befor transformed for Trans Am Racing and the Spoiler Prototyp SFM 5 S 319 behind
the Notchback
(https://abload.de/img/877jqv.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=877jqv.png)

(Funny fact: the COBRA Banner ist gone , but where the heck it is ? in a Garage, in a living room we would do this nowadays ?
No it Hanging right under the roof  ;D from Hangar 9)

(https://abload.de/img/10s7j9h.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=10s7j9h.jpg)

Now comes some (bad) Screenshots from the Shelby Goes Racing with Ford Promo Video
(https://abload.de/img/3062kyx.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=3062kyx.jpg)

this will get us a overlooking of the Inner side befor the section wall and from left (CB Pillar Side) to the right (CA Pillar Side)

(https://abload.de/img/40srkwl.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=40srkwl.jpg)

here we have a clear look without Mr. Shelby
in the middle stand a little working office like in Carter Ave Building in the middle of the working area
(https://abload.de/img/45wpjwf.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=45wpjwf.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/508mkpc.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=508mkpc.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/55axj3d.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=55axj3d.jpg)

and for last my simple skeetch overlook

(https://abload.de/img/1u8ki6.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1u8ki6.jpg)

These are the last pics will be post in directly order to have this "Overlooked" ...
to my research work i found and lucky find every day some new pics shooting on LAX
and i will post them in this Thread just to have see whats going on LAX


So what you think ? Tell me your thougts

Greets from Germany

Szabo / Steve

Title: Re: Shelby Buildings - LAX - Hangar 9 ( ShowCar / RaceShop ) - INSIDE / End of Story
Post by: 6s2020 on July 25, 2019, 06:44:23 PM

Nice Job, interesting and informative.

Thanks for your effort, just what the forum needs right now.  :)

Darryll
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings - LAX - Hangar 9 ( ShowCar / RaceShop ) - INSIDE / End of Story
Post by: Richstang on July 25, 2019, 11:24:21 PM
Well Done Steve!

It's nice to see all these photos organized in one thread and sorted by each building/hanger.
The photo 'clips' from the videos are another nice touch!

Thanks
 :)
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings - LAX - Hangar 9 ( ShowCar / RaceShop ) - INSIDE / End of Story
Post by: honker on September 20, 2019, 12:30:14 PM
May not be relevant to this thread, looking at the vehicles, I would say this is current, is it a set from the movie ?

Mike
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings - LAX - Hangar 9 ( ShowCar / RaceShop ) - INSIDE / End of Story
Post by: Szabo on September 10, 2020, 02:38:01 PM
Hello together,

after a long time i would like to rework on the thread ...

because of the french video, more magazine shots, the petersen Museum and some other new sources
i have a lot of new pics and can relocate where on LAX are the pics made.

I would like to begin with some (new for me) Pics from Petersen Museum

We saw a 65 Shelby GT350, nothing special at this point, but when you look closer you can clearly
see in the Backround the shot was made on the tarmac from LAX and right after the Gate and befor the open doors
of Hangar 8 (Production Hangar)

(https://abload.de/img/942820scr_wm_ba535227hijfo.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=942820scr_wm_ba535227hijfo.jpg)

This Man seems lucky (anybody knows where the man was ?) , Dealer Plate says 1Z MFG 013
Edit: Thanks 68countrysedan from the License Plate thread we know the Man was Eric Rickman
(https://abload.de/img/942828scr_wm_7aafb49bjcjpo.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=942828scr_wm_7aafb49bjcjpo.jpg)

The next pic made me a little bit curious because we see a worker with helmet comeing out of the Hangar,
i suggested quickly this must be a very early LAX Shoot and what the Heck was inside going on ...


(https://abload.de/img/942822scr_wm_356d4ba9s2j02.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=942822scr_wm_356d4ba9s2j02.jpg)

the next pic was a shot a little bit to high for the GT350 but we have a very good lock inside.
(https://abload.de/img/942825scr_wm_39d23a38hlkae.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=942825scr_wm_39d23a38hlkae.jpg)

i decide to do some easy Photoreworking and so we can look a little bit better in the Hangar

at this moment i was lucky again, because we see a very early pic from LAX,
on the left side the later Production Pit was excavate but no more cars are seen
on the right side we so an empty space, know Paint booth was installed
in the backround a Pic Up is standing in the hangar

on some sources i read that SAI was rent the Hangar from Januar 1965
but Cragar deliverd a first pair of Cragar Wheels at March 1965
rework finish from LAX was on April 1965

so, like always is the big question, when was the Shoot ?
Maybe you have some thoughts about this


(https://abload.de/img/942822scr_wm_356d4ba95vjk6.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=942822scr_wm_356d4ba95vjk6.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/942825scr_wm_39d23a38frkkc.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=942825scr_wm_39d23a38frkkc.jpg)

after shooting befor Hangar was finished, the GT350 make some hot laps around the blast wall,

(https://abload.de/img/942832scr_wm_d134540erkk60.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=942832scr_wm_d134540erkk60.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/942831scr_wm_c6687450ewkua.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=942831scr_wm_c6687450ewkua.jpg)

for better understanding i make a quick overlook on the air pic from LAX


(https://abload.de/img/504pksa.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=504pksa.jpg)

Greets from Germany

Stephan / Szabo
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: Early Pics from inside Hangar 8 (Street Production)
Post by: 6S1568 on September 10, 2020, 02:51:44 PM
Thank you Stephan. Your had work allows us to see the exact location of the photo shoots. Nicely done!
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: Early Pics from inside Hangar 8 (Street Production)
Post by: Side-Oilers on September 10, 2020, 02:59:12 PM
Excellent, Steve!  Great contributions.

For those who aren't familiar, Eric Rickman was a Petersen staff photographer.  He worked on all of the company's magazines at the time.

So, that shoot could've been for Motor Trend, Hot Rod, Sports Car Graphic, or just for the company photo files.   
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: Early Pics from inside Hangar 8 (Street Production)
Post by: JD on September 10, 2020, 03:42:19 PM
Excellent, Steve!  Great contributions.

For those who aren't familiar, Eric Rickman was a Petersen staff photographer.  He worked on all of the company's magazines at the time.

So, that shoot could've been for Motor Trend, Hot Rod, Sports Car Graphic, or just for the company photo files.   

So in reply #28 the 4th and 6th images (the same image but the later having the inside "lightened") were they excavating the assembly line pit?  (Note the dump truck)
 
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: Early Pics from inside Hangar 8 (Street Production)
Post by: 2112 on September 10, 2020, 04:57:31 PM
Damn JD, You have good eyes.   8)
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: Early Pics from inside Hangar 8 (Street Production)
Post by: Szabo on September 10, 2020, 05:15:29 PM
Hello JD,

maybe my english was not good enough, or i dont understand you question right.

But where you set the red Mark, this is the Production line Pit Lane
Maybe i used the rong term for describe that the Pit Lane is already there and not that it made in the moment of the shooting.

We clearly see no Excavator (Bagger in German) or some heavy machines,
only the Pick-up Truck / Dump Truck in the backround

Kindly regards

Stephan
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: Early Pics from inside Hangar 8 (Street Production)
Post by: Szabo on September 14, 2020, 03:56:34 PM
Excellent, Steve!  Great contributions.

For those who aren't familiar, Eric Rickman was a Petersen staff photographer.  He worked on all of the company's magazines at the time.

So, that shoot could've been for Motor Trend, Hot Rod, Sports Car Graphic, or just for the company photo files.   

Hello,

you were right ... after i check my mags i found this Pic again,
never befor i regonice that was on LAX but surley it is,
this Fence in the backround, it is behind the Blast Wall
and it had the same License Plate

(https://abload.de/img/hr_65-08_001y7kci.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=hr_65-08_001y7kci.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/hr_65-08_023o7k5o.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=hr_65-08_023o7k5o.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/hr_65-08_024r3juk.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=hr_65-08_024r3juk.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: Early Pics from inside Hangar 8 (Street Production)
Post by: 68countrysedan on September 14, 2020, 08:52:19 PM
Historical fyi Addendum

Not only did Eric Rickman write and photograph a story on the GT350, but 32 years later in the February 1987 issue of Petersen's Mustang, he also wrote and photographed a story about the Saleen Mustang. Mustang history comes full circle.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: Early Pics from inside Hangar 8 (Street Production)
Post by: Szabo on September 17, 2020, 07:04:10 PM
i want to share some Pics and thoughts with you for
more Details on LAX which maybe not so known

First i found some Pics from a King Cobra Projekt
with the Time Code "Late 67"

we see the Chassis from a King Cobra rolled out of the Garage but where
on LAX was it ?

because of the rounded Corner and it is a racecar it is cleary
Hangar 9 (Race-Shop) but not from the big Gate at the front,
it is from a little side Gate which can also open ...
(https://abload.de/img/kclax2mtkgc.jpeg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=kclax2mtkgc.jpeg)

2.Pic --- we can see it on front of the Hangar 9, left you see
the Blast Wall and you see a Gas Station (note that for a Moment)
(https://abload.de/img/shelby_king_cobra_canu2k9c.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=shelby_king_cobra_canu2k9c.jpg)

and the finished King Cobra on Riverside 67
(https://abload.de/img/screenshot_2020-09-189hk1m.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=screenshot_2020-09-189hk1m.png)

i sign it on the LAX Blueprint
(https://abload.de/img/32772_dsc_0761rfjt8.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=32772_dsc_0761rfjt8.jpg)


The Second batch of Pics was about that Wall in the Backround and
the Gas Station ...

the Wall or better the Building
where the Wall belongs to, is build
after May or June 1965 because on the Air Pics from early Production
we cant see it.

somewhere i read that is was because of Energy or better
secure for electricity, but this not sure or proofed at this Moment

the Gas Station is better to describe and show in pics,
i tryed in correct Timecodes

1965: Ken Miles in Suit ???
surely not a normal Pic, maybe for Press or Promotion but for what ...
i found nothing for Chevron Gas or something like this.
Only with this Pic it is hard to know where it is on LAX, but note that Huge
Electric Pole Post in the Backround and of course the R-Models in the Backround
(https://abload.de/img/p1110163ftj3p.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1110163ftj3p.jpg)

Second Pic show the same Gas Station and same Person but from a different angle and the GT350 on a
different position
(https://abload.de/img/p1110550zfk9i.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1110550zfk9i.jpg)

Timecode ??? later of the First Pic

only some bad black/White Pics but shortly after the first one, same size of the Gas Pump and some stacked wood pallet
now it is easier to locate that Gas Station on LAX, we see the End of the Blast Wall and the Wall/Building
(https://abload.de/img/p1110547w2jtj.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1110547w2jtj.jpg)

some bigger ones from the same Pic befor
(https://abload.de/img/p1110548ylk24.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1110548ylk24.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p11105498ljxe.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p11105498ljxe.jpg)

the same timecode but in nicely colour, dont see anything of the Gas Station but you can see that big Pole again
and very nice to see the combination of Blast Wall, Wall and the Corner from Hangar 9(RaceShop) Building/Hangar
(https://abload.de/img/p1110552ejkrq.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1110552ejkrq.jpg)

1967 the last one is from the King Cobra but you can clearly see different Gas Pump, better view of the wall/Building
and i can count three of this Tarmac/Cement Panels away from the Wall
(https://abload.de/img/shelby_king_cobra_canu2k9c.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=shelby_king_cobra_canu2k9c.jpg)

and finally i do a simple skeetch in this early LAX Bird View
(https://abload.de/img/50u4kkv.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=50u4kkv.jpg)

What do you think, tell me your thoughts

Question for me:

because of what Ken Miles wear a Suit and make some Press/Promo Pics ???



Greets from Germany

Stephan
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: King Cobra 67 and the little Gas Station on LAX
Post by: Side-Oilers on September 17, 2020, 10:56:49 PM
Steve,
Thanks for the additional analysis.  Yes, that is definitely Imperial Hwy in the background (south side) of the Chevron gas pump photos. 

That photo appears it was shot with a long lens, so the apartments in the background may seem close, but they are on the far side of Imperial.

My guess as to why Miles was in a suit would most likely be for a visit by Ford execs, dealers or the press.  Or his wife made him.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: King Cobra 67 and the little Gas Station on LAX
Post by: Richstang on September 18, 2020, 12:18:04 AM
Stephan,
You appear to have a very good understanding of where the Chevron gas pumps were, as well as the location of the Can am race car on the west side of the Race Hanger #9.

(I don't think this race car was ever named as a King Cobra; noted in that one photo caption. I believe it was called a 'Shelby Group VII')
This yellow #55 raced at Riverside on October 29th 1967 in the Can Am series. I'm not sure it raced anywhere else. It disappeared at the end of the '67 season.

Your photo of the front sliding garage doors (south side of the race Hanger #9; with the Group VII race car) does not show clearly in the blueprint drawings. It's really hard to pinpoint exactly where the door opening was located, as we never really see the entire race hanger facade from left to right. I do think your very close.

 
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: King Cobra 67 and the little Gas Station on LAX
Post by: 68countrysedan on September 18, 2020, 12:19:38 AM
Under "First Rollout at Shelby American Plant Los Angelos summer '67" photo,  is that Phil Remington second from the right?
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: King Cobra 67 and the little Gas Station on LAX
Post by: Richstang on September 18, 2020, 12:28:32 AM
It certainly looks like it's him.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: King Cobra 67 and the little Gas Station on LAX
Post by: shelbydoug on September 18, 2020, 07:16:28 AM
The film Ford v. Ferrari, depicts Miles test driving GT40's on a course set up at the LA facility.

In looking at the photos, I realize that the proportion of the lot is not easy to put into perspective but is that actually true or was that a "Hollywood license" created to tell a story?

I don't see where that would have fit in unless it was kind of a Penske-Donahue, 200 ft skidpad, created in a back parking lot? Where was it? I don't see an obvious location.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: King Cobra 67 and the little Gas Station on LAX
Post by: Richstang on September 18, 2020, 01:04:47 PM
The film Ford v. Ferrari, depicts Miles test driving GT40's on a course set up at the LA facility.

In looking at the photos, I realize that the proportion of the lot is not easy to put into perspective but is that actually true or was that a "Hollywood license" created to tell a story?

I don't see where that would have fit in unless it was kind of a Penske-Donahue, 200 ft skidpad, created in a back parking lot? Where was it? I don't see an obvious location.

There a bunch of scenes were they take a creative license and mix things up. I haven't found any evidence SAI tested any race cars at LAX, only a handful of photos showing Shelby Mustangs.
Here's a photo showing the test track area.
There's also a video showing CS in a 67 GT350 driving spirited, yet he is on the south side of the blast wall zipping around the back lot area in a wider circle.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: King Cobra 67 and the little Gas Station on LAX
Post by: CharlesTurner on September 18, 2020, 01:22:09 PM
The film Ford v. Ferrari, depicts Miles test driving GT40's on a course set up at the LA facility.

In looking at the photos, I realize that the proportion of the lot is not easy to put into perspective but is that actually true or was that a "Hollywood license" created to tell a story?

I don't see where that would have fit in unless it was kind of a Penske-Donahue, 200 ft skidpad, created in a back parking lot? Where was it? I don't see an obvious location.

I talked to Bruce Junor about that, he said that the LAX officials would have freaked if they saw that.  According to him, it never happened.

(Bruce was the SA production manager and the one responsible for setting up the production line/hangar at LAX)
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: King Cobra 67 and the little Gas Station on LAX
Post by: Szabo on September 19, 2020, 05:36:49 PM
Hello,

thanks for the question, but i agree with Richstang ...

maybe a person takes a wilder spin on the track and give some speed to the Shelby but no Raceing in the Film,
you can see some dust in the air from the Peterson GT350 driving on the early LAX Pic
and the Rolling Shoot from the GT Roadster on the Open Hause Event 1965
or the Rolling Shoot from the 68 Advertising Convertible Prototyp

maybe this Customer gets a spin with CS on a GT40, but this is not HFII in the picture...

Shelby testet on Willow Spring or Riverside Raceway and because of haveing the oppotunity to make this it
was not necessary to make it on a active Aiportfield with start and landing of Planes like a Boeing

(https://abload.de/img/jt84abx58jxm.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=jt84abx58jxm.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: King Cobra 67 and the little Gas Station on LAX
Post by: Szabo on September 19, 2020, 06:17:31 PM
Stephan,
...

 It's really hard to pinpoint exactly where the door opening was located, as we never really see the entire race hanger facade from left to right. I do think your very close.

Hello Rich,

thanks for your comment,
i tryed to locate the Pics clearly to the ground, like in the old Forum with the George Watters Collection Pics

for the Pinpoint of the "Group VII open Gate" Pic i looked a another Bird View Pic from LAX,
you can see the soft Corners on Hangar 9 and you can see the Gates (closed)

and when you see this Pic from Inside the open door was left hand from the inner RaceShop (between Pillar CA3 - CA4)

the only thing was the Windows (we dont see that open one on the Bird View Pic) but from inside i know that
it was some clearly openings and some was closed / broken and just fixed with non visible material

last Point i really think is not hard proofed possible, but i really think they dont pull that chassis to long over the hot
tarmac, out of the Race Shop side door into a point where the sun is behind you for a quick pic.

(https://abload.de/img/asdf2jfjxe.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=asdf2jfjxe.jpg)

please ignore the second red arrow on that Cobra, it was only for me and another thought
(https://abload.de/img/6572dbkw4.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=6572dbkw4.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1110196y7kxi.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1110196y7kxi.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: King Cobra 67 and the little Gas Station on LAX
Post by: Richstang on September 19, 2020, 08:41:14 PM
OF COURSE...the aerial views...forehead slap. Thanks Stephan

As you said, we see the photo with the Group 7 race car showing the sliding garage door and windows popped open to the right side.
I guess the aerial (birds eye) view have all the windows closed and painted over. Perhaps later on the employees cleaned/scraped them off to allow light inside.

Yes, maybe it was pulled out over the tarmac and purposely rolled over to the side on the concrete for the photos and the daylight inspection /review.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: King Cobra 67 and the little Gas Station on LAX
Post by: shelbydoug on September 20, 2020, 07:34:04 AM
The film Ford v. Ferrari, depicts Miles test driving GT40's on a course set up at the LA facility.

In looking at the photos, I realize that the proportion of the lot is not easy to put into perspective but is that actually true or was that a "Hollywood license" created to tell a story?

I don't see where that would have fit in unless it was kind of a Penske-Donahue, 200 ft skidpad, created in a back parking lot? Where was it? I don't see an obvious location.

I talked to Bruce Junor about that, he said that the LAX officials would have freaked if they saw that.  According to him, it never happened.

(Bruce was the SA production manager and the one responsible for setting up the production line/hangar at LAX)

I like the film a lot but it appears it is not something that anyone can refer to as historical documentation.

I have some sympathy for the authors attempting to tell a story. I get told by my sons that I tend to embellish a little myself? I have no idea what they are talking about though. I state only the facts. It's not my fault they are so difficult to believe?  :o
 ;D
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: King Cobra 67 and the little Gas Station on LAX
Post by: Szabo on September 25, 2020, 02:09:15 PM
I found another Pic from the rear side of the Raceshop (Hangar 9)

like the "Group VII" Pic it is the same Point,
not the big Hangar Gate on the front,
it is again the little side hangar door,
seems to often used that suggested for me...
when you count the open panel of the window on the Inside R Production
you will see that it is the same one on the GT40 Pic.
we see that soft corners, the side gate is open

but this time in beautiful colour of the 60s

(https://abload.de/img/gt40-7_slide04hxjtn.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=gt40-7_slide04hxjtn.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: GT40 outside side open door Hangar 9
Post by: Richstang on September 26, 2020, 06:28:20 PM
That's a great photo you found!!!

Is that an upside down Mercedes Benz logo?

I've never seen that logo on the car before. and there are several photos of the car at LAX (before Le Mans and without the black painted nose)

Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: GT40 outside side open door Hangar 9
Post by: Szabo on September 26, 2020, 07:00:07 PM
Yeah, this is a Mercedes Logo  ;)
(but not upside down)

i do a quick research on Nr. 7 on Le Mans, but early in the Race
it has the silver Hood, twin black stripes, but no Mercedes Logo
later on the race, it has a flat black Hood


when you have more Pics on LAX i would love to see them here
(i only know a pair or so befor 66 Le Mans shipping)

Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: GT40 outside side open door Hangar 9
Post by: Szabo on November 12, 2020, 03:58:38 PM
I put some ife in the thread with beautyfull coloured pics ...
mostly we see pics in black/white so some coloure in life is always good.

Maybe somebody can help verifying a timecode ...

first ist this GT40 running befor some GT350
subtext says this is P1004 who was in LeMans 65 and later in the Cobra Caravan Tour,
notice the different Wheel Colour front/back

(https://abload.de/img/gt401004buk4o.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=gt401004buk4o.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/1966-shelby-cobra-car19kvb.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1966-shelby-cobra-car19kvb.jpg)

2nd Pic is a repost from HONKER,
always fascinated to see new pics and so i liked it very much

(https://abload.de/img/daytonabuildresizes6jzk.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=daytonabuildresizes6jzk.jpg)

i found a second Pic from a Daytona Coupe but this should not be the same Coupe

(https://abload.de/img/friedman_sai-1965-119i5kh4.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=friedman_sai-1965-119i5kh4.jpg)

Any Thoughts on this ???


Greets from Germany

Stephan
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: GT40 and Daytona Coupe in Coloured Pics
Post by: Richstang on November 13, 2020, 11:59:12 PM
I believe the photo of the GT40 P/1004 was taken just before it shipped to LeMans, perhaps at the open house around June 8th.
There is a photo of the race #30 version of this car, arriving at LeMans on the rented transporter with the other GT's
Although difficult to see the driver in the LAX photo, it appears that person may have a suit on. I might see a white collar shirt and tie.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: GT40 and Daytona Coupe in Coloured Pics
Post by: camp upshur on November 14, 2020, 01:36:12 AM

I too believe that pic was taken at the open house June 65.
Here’s a couple of post LeMans pics of P1004 taken inside the hanger, prior to ending its life as a MK 1:

Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: GT40 and Daytona Coupe in Coloured Pics
Post by: 427hunter on November 14, 2020, 12:58:26 PM
Does anyone reproduce these photo's extra large on photo paper like the 65 photo sets? I would love to have a set of these ! I love seeing that pack of red cars behind the cobra and thinking which one is mine  ;)
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: GT40 and Daytona Coupe in Coloured Pics
Post by: Szabo on November 15, 2020, 03:39:20 PM
Thanks for the answers,

i found no pic or Info that a GT40 is used for show or performing on the 3 Days Open House Event... 7/8/9 June 1965

only the Roadster GT/108 was used and showed on all 3 Days, the backround where the Carriers and Haulers are standing is totally full of
ALL Vehicels SAI has ... on the Pic is only 1 Hauler to see ...

Le Mans 1965 was 19/20 June 1965.

nice to see the Two Different Wheels on the Hangar (of LeMans),

@427hunter

i cant answer the question, but if you ever found a pic in higher resolution than showed let me know,
nothing goes over high resolution pics.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: GT40 and Daytona Coupe in Coloured Pics
Post by: Szabo on November 06, 2021, 07:14:55 PM
Hello all together,

after a long break i am back in all that shelby stuff and hope to show some
stuff you never seen befor like this ...

Again, i have to thank Richstang (Rich) from the bottom of my heart,
he always support me with all his extreme knowaledge

So i start with a journey into the deepest corners of LAX
with an Visit from Japan

Rich found a articel from a japanese Photographer named
Kyoichi Yamaguchi
but without any date, the source was not active
and the source of the articel was unkown.

we talked about the pics and suggest the Date was on the open house
event on June 1965 ...

nearly a year after getting this articel i have the power and the time
to go in a massive research. The Articel is very long with about 10 Sites
and he also visit the AC Factory in England... but i will concentrate on
the Sites with LAX.

(https://abload.de/img/11356ki7.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=11356ki7.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/11488jyz.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=11488jyz.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/122a2jkp1.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=122a2jkp1.png)
(https://abload.de/img/125utker.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=125utker.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/126skjsi.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=126skjsi.png)
(https://abload.de/img/124a2ajao.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=124a2ajao.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/12909k40.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=12909k40.png)

First of all i want to find the source of the articel and so i have to learn
there is no Ebay in Japan and i have to learn the google translator is
noch always the best to convert english in japan

But after 3 Days of searching and trying and with lot of luck i found
out the Car Graphic also have a Japan Issue and so i found out that
the 9.th Issue of 1965 has the story inside...

(https://abload.de/img/196509cargraphicjapanr9k5h.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=196509cargraphicjapanr9k5h.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/196509cargraphicjapanfejm3.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=196509cargraphicjapanfejm3.png)

After this first step and success i was on fire.

What stands in the Japanese text ?
when was the reporter on LAX ?
where stands all the Cars ?
which Cars can we see on the Pics ?

So when you also interested on this questions i invate you
in a journey pic by pic ...

Any Thought and ansers are welcome

Greets from Germany

Stephan
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: King Cobra 67 and the little Gas Station on LAX
Post by: honker on November 06, 2021, 09:35:17 PM
Stephan,
You appear to have a very good understanding of where the Chevron gas pumps were, as well as the location of the Can am race car on the west side of the Race Hanger #9.

(I don't think this race car was ever named as a King Cobra; noted in that one photo caption. I believe it was called a 'Shelby Group VII')
This yellow #55 raced at Riverside on October 29th 1967 in the Can Am series. I'm not sure it raced anywhere else. It disappeared at the end of the '67 season.

Your photo of the front sliding garage doors (south side of the race Hanger #9; with the Group VII race car) does not show clearly in the blueprint drawings. It's really hard to pinpoint exactly where the door opening was located, as we never really see the entire race hanger facade from left to right. I do think your very close.

Stephan, welcome back !  thanks for the images from the Japanese Car magazine, lots to analyze in those photos.

Rich, your photo of the Shelby '67 Can-Am effort, sent me into my files, and I found a larger image of your post above, from the

 Friedman book, (sorry for the fold, didn't want to break the spine on the book) there are a couple of photos here that might help

with the orientation with in the building. Do we have any other photos that show the location of what looks like a chassis plate in

 the first pic ? In the second photo there are employee's lockers visible on the left.

I'm not sure if the photo of the car on the chassis plate, and the ones of the car on trestles is in the same location ?

(photos: Friedman ? & Getty images)

Mike
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: a Visit from Japan - Car Graphic Japan articel 1965
Post by: honker on November 06, 2021, 09:49:08 PM
one more photo of the '67 Can-Am car from the rear. Not the best for position, there is some shelving with labels in front of the car, but similar shelves are in a couple of other spots in the plant as well.

(photo: not sure where I found this one, might have been in one of my magazines)

Mike
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: King Cobra 67 and the little Gas Station on LAX
Post by: Szabo on November 07, 2021, 03:17:57 PM
Stephan,
You appear to have a very good understanding of where the Chevron gas pumps were, as well as the location of the Can am race car on the west side of the Race Hanger #9.

(I don't think this race car was ever named as a King Cobra; noted in that one photo caption. I believe it was called a 'Shelby Group VII')
This yellow #55 raced at Riverside on October 29th 1967 in the Can Am series. I'm not sure it raced anywhere else. It disappeared at the end of the '67 season.

Your photo of the front sliding garage doors (south side of the race Hanger #9; with the Group VII race car) does not show clearly in the blueprint drawings. It's really hard to pinpoint exactly where the door opening was located, as we never really see the entire race hanger facade from left to right. I do think your very close.

Stephan, welcome back !  thanks for the images from the Japanese Car magazine, lots to analyze in those photos.

Rich, your photo of the Shelby '67 Can-Am effort, sent me into my files, and I found a larger image of your post above, from the

 Friedman book, (sorry for the fold, didn't want to break the spine on the book) there are a couple of photos here that might help

with the orientation with in the building. Do we have any other photos that show the location of what looks like a chassis plate in

 the first pic ? In the second photo there are employee's lockers visible on the left.

I'm not sure if the photo of the car on the chassis plate, and the ones of the car on trestles is in the same location ?

(photos: Friedman ? & Getty images)

Mike

Hello Mike ...

the First Pic is not from inside LAX , it is looking very similar but it is in an book describe like
inside of a factory named TAC (Transatlantic Automotive Consultants) which was formed by
Carroll Shelby and ex Lotus Man Len Terry... 

the other Pics are from inside LAX, Hangar 9, Race-Shop,
it stands right befor the big section Wall to the "Show-Aera"
you can see the little "Foreman Cabrin" which one person just phoned ...
in the Backround stands CA 8 on the Pillar ... 

(https://abload.de/img/24.07.67groupivcaratlrnj1e.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=24.07.67groupivcaratlrnj1e.jpg)

Footage from the 1966 French Video filmed in the Race Shop
i marked the postion were the chassis stands in 1967...

(https://abload.de/img/1000upkug.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1000upkug.png)
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings- LAX - New: a Visit from Japan - Car Graphic Japan articel 1965
Post by: Szabo on November 08, 2021, 04:08:43 PM
Back to the Japan Car Graphic Articel and my first steps of analyzise the hole articel

My first goal was to translate the text and to find an indication of the date when the reporter was on LAX.
Rich long time think that this was shortly befor/after the "Open House Event" 6 - 8 June 1965

After 55 years we have a lot of luck that the reporter described that in the articel...

but first i will show my pics with some explanations.
i will go on in chronological site order:

Bingo, Bingo --- he was there in July 1965, after the Open House Event and some
pure alu shining 427 Cobras was also here...

(https://abload.de/img/122tzku3.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=122tzku3.jpg)

The next text passage was very interesting because it describes the Cobra Super Coupe ...

(https://abload.de/img/1236kj7x.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1236kj7x.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/124szkie.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=124szkie.png)

What the reporter saw and only can make a drawing can i show in this pics...
nearly the same position like the the pic with the Cobras in his articel

(https://abload.de/img/p1110567pxjy6.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1110567pxjy6.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/p11101567ej5c.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p11101567ej5c.jpg)

At the End of the articel he described again very pretty when he was very early in
July, maybe the first or second week on LAX
Le Mans was 19-20 June 1965 and Shelby have no success on this year.

(https://abload.de/img/131-1lnk87.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=131-1lnk87.png)

Next Step i can show is some easier pics and the translation from the Text

(https://abload.de/img/125-2e1jt4.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=125-2e1jt4.png)

Rich and i think that in the next to pics the text was switched and orgin was planed otherwise

(https://abload.de/img/124-2gnjox.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=124-2gnjox.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/125-16kka1.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=125-16kka1.png)

So much to show and learn from that articel that i make a break for today and will go on soon.

What do you think ?
Any Thoughts and Comments, every Pic for the context are welcome...

Greets from Germany

Stephan

Title: Re: Shelby Buildings - LAX - Japan Car Graphic Japan articel 1965 - finding Details
Post by: Szabo on November 11, 2021, 04:56:17 PM
No replys here but i will go on to show more details

Next point in my list of research, after finding the Mag where the articel was
and translate the text for finding a date of visit was:

Where stand the cars on LAX ???

i will begin with all the "Street Cars" we see, the other pure "Race Cars" i will show later

The first couple i can match together was automatic 289 Cobra and GT/108

They stand directly side to side and from this point i made my research
where

(https://abload.de/img/1000bjjuj.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1000bjjuj.jpg)

Then I started a comparison with the LAX background that I knew ...

and found it in Hangar 9 in the "Show Car" era.


I don't have 100 percent proof, such as the lettering on a pillar, but after comparing the entire background
 with one of the "Open House" photos from the Show Car Aera, I would like to speak of a hit.

From a logical point of view, it also makes sense through two thoughts:

on the one hand, the "Open House" event was shortly befor and all of these cars were
 already on display there. So they just stayed there.

On the other hand, there was simply no other place as empty and tidy as it seems here.
In Hangar 9 "Race Shop" there were tools and tool boxes everywhere,

GT350 and Cobras were produced and completed every day in Hangar 8 "Production".

I hope you can follow me and see it the same or at least similar,
i know that is not good to see on the screen, when i worked on the computer
i scroll the pics to maximum

(https://abload.de/img/9500tjkaq.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=9500tjkaq.jpg)

in a further step I then have
started to compare forwards or backwards and came to the conclusion that the remaining vehicles,
like CSX2000 and a GT350R, are in front of the others ...

(https://abload.de/img/900018ojx4.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=900018ojx4.png)

For the other two vehicles, the rolling Cobra chassis and the Street 427 Cobra, I also have two "Open House" pictures
seized and made some comparisons.
Also not 100 percent proof but enough for me and the logical continuation of my previous thought.

So when you walked into Hangar 9 on the left side, the following cars were shown in a row:

-Rolling 289 Cobra Chassis
-GT350 R
-CSX2000
-automatic Cobra
-GT / 108

the 427 Cobra is driving outside ...

So what do you think, every answer or thought is welcome !!!

Greets

Stephan
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings - LAX - Japan Car Graphic Japan articel 9 1965 - new sight
Post by: Richstang on November 13, 2021, 12:08:28 PM
Stephan,
Thanks for keeping this LAX thread going.

It is nice to see the production Cobra and the GT40 prototype roadster parked side by side in the stitched photos.

As we discussed offline, I really would like to see a higher res image of the Ford executives sitting in the Race Hanger.

The last photo above is not a good match to my eyes. The location of the parked cars do not look the same.
The lines you added in red, do NOT match the details
-I don't believe that is a door, on the left, in the Kyoichi photo
-The conduit (electrical) lines are not the same positions
-The white (?) panels mounted on the vertical steel pillars are not the same size.
-The are no horizontal cross support stubs above the conduit.

Even with my added comments, I can't think of any other place these cars could be parked.
I believe you are correct, that they are inside of the race hanger, on the east side. (near the guard booth side in the center)
If we ever find more photos inside the race hangar, maybe we can lock it down, but for now the cars could be parked on either side.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings - LAX - Japan Car Graphic Japan articel 9 1965 - new sight
Post by: Szabo on April 12, 2022, 05:12:22 PM
Hello all,

after a long break i will end up my analysis of the Japan Visit on SAI and hopefully can
bring some interesting stuff to you.

After the Visit inside the Hangar 9 "Show Aera" they go outside with 2 Cars

The GT350 Competition Model and the new Shelby 427,
please remember we are in July 1965

for me a long time unsure where the photographer stands and why are on "R" Model Pics
the Cobras outside doesn´t appear.

i do some layouts, which show very good that one Pic not even all Details are possible to see,

but i will start with orgin pics and translated script

(https://abload.de/img/126-1tzk8l.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=126-1tzk8l.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/126-2z9kfx.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=126-2z9kfx.jpg)

what me always confussed was that on the "R" Pic no Cobras outside was to see, so i suggested
that was to different time codes ... But when you put the Pics in one bird view pic and make some lines
you see that all pics was possible in one timecode and only make some steps forward or backward.

(https://abload.de/img/20004hk8i.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20004hk8i.png)

(https://abload.de/img/japanr0dj3y.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=japanr0dj3y.jpg)

One of the most amazing and biggest surprises was to find this wonderfull colored Pic of the
427 Street Cobra later in the Mag
the photographer was Mr. Yamaguchi again, but the two pics of the "R" Front
and the Cobra was not on the origin b/w articel.

(https://abload.de/img/dscn7697u0khj.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=dscn7697u0khj.jpg)

Title: Re: Shelby Buildings - LAX - Japan Car Graphic Japan articel 9 1965 - new sight
Post by: Szabo on April 12, 2022, 06:03:01 PM
The last point of my analysis is the hardest and difficult to explain

But where on LAX stands the Race Cars ???
Where did he see the Super Coupe Prototyp ???


this Stairway drives me crazy for weeks ...
i had pretty good inside views on Hangar 9 "Show Aera" and "Race Area"
but no stairway was to see
and because i had the blueprints of Hangar 8 "Production Area" hard buisness
was to do and no racecars was ever seen in this Area

but i think i have a solution for "Shelbys Secret Stoorage" Room

i will begin to show the Race Pics from Japan Visit

(https://abload.de/img/122-1s2k0m.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=122-1s2k0m.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/123-1ejka4.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=123-1ejka4.png)

(https://abload.de/img/124-1zwk7k.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=124-1zwk7k.png)

(https://abload.de/img/1243njfh.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1243njfh.png)

(https://abload.de/img/125-2k8k71.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=125-2k8k71.png)


i rememberd me to see some pics befor here in the Forum of fresh painted Race Cobras and have no clue where
they stands, and of course we have some Super Coupe Protoyp Pics
i will repost them here for better understanding

(https://abload.de/img/turdkevinlesliepic3vj8i.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=turdkevinlesliepic3vj8i.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/milescobra5bkn4.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=milescobra5bkn4.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1110567v1jzl.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1110567v1jzl.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/p1110156q2j19.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1110156q2j19.jpg)

but the game changer was again this wonderfull colored Cobra Pic with the under roof building of
Hangar 9

For me, in my hole LAX research time from beginning to now i have found very less to nothing
about this building...

(https://abload.de/img/dscn76973ej4g.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=dscn76973ej4g.jpg)

the Building make some change during 65 - 67
i think naive only to some office but the truth is other than you might think.

Then in this under roof building, on ground zero was it, the "Secret Room"
here stands the Race Cars and even the prototyp Super Coupe


i had no blueprints for that but i will try to explain it to my best in the next thread...
i only have to do some good photo analiyses for better understanding


But now i would like to read your thoughts, even your other pics or even you critic ...




Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- Japan CG Mag 9 /65-NEW 12.04.22 Outside View and Race Car
Post by: Richstang on April 12, 2022, 11:48:36 PM
Stephan and I talked about this (color photo) location back in November.
I'm still certain this is in the back side (north side) of the race hanger.
It is outside, under the overhang. The photos from the open house show this area with the details like the stairs and catwalk.
We can see the two spray booths in the middle of this overhang covered section
The sliding garage door and stairs are on the wall towards the west side.

Since this was a lease, I don't believe Shelby American could make any permanent changes to the hangers.
They did add a small shed / covered area in the back northwest corner of the race hanger. (next to the added gas pumps

Next I will also add a modified version of one of the blueprints to show where each detail is located.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- Japan CG Mag 9 /65-NEW 12.04.22 Outside View and Race Car
Post by: Richstang on April 12, 2022, 11:53:12 PM
Here's my mock up of those details noted above.

The blueprint photo copied smaller than I hoped. The sliding door is in yellow and the stairs are indicated in orange.
The building shape is in red with the outline of the roof in dark red.
The engine photo above shows a second sliding garage door farther in front of the two spray booths. on the north east side.
The cars in Stephan's added photos are parked on the west side of the spray booths. This is definitely the Race hanger.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- Japan CG Mag 9 /65-NEW 12.04.22 Outside View and Race Car
Post by: 68countrysedan on April 13, 2022, 01:55:30 AM
As usual great historical sleuthing Mr. Szabo.

Besides car details and positions, I enjoy imagining what it was like at the time the photos were taken. Back then, SA was a business to sell cars and run race teams. So no one considered the aura these cars would have 50 + years later. So employees were moving/working on cars as part of their daily duties.

I also discovered something I hadn't really noticed in a photo, reply #63, of all the Cobras in the back ground. First, some are on blocks. Further more there appears to be two cinder blocks to the right of one car. They used cinder blocks to support expensive cars instead jack stands?!

So some SA employees were instructed to remove the wheels. "What do we support the cars on?" "There isn't enough jack stands. . .so lets try cinder blocks. . ."

Plus, please validate or not as needed: the Cobras appear to be bare metal. Where were they painted?
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- Japan CG Mag 9 /65-NEW 12.04.22 Outside View and Race Car
Post by: FL SAAC on April 13, 2022, 09:22:35 AM
Simply fascinating
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- Japan CG Mag 9 /65-NEW 12.04.22 Outside View and Race Car
Post by: propayne on April 13, 2022, 10:36:31 AM
In regards the wonderful color pic of the #98 Cobra race car - what I nice shot of how the pre 1968 Castrol logo looked. Red Castrol with green text below it (lubricants or motor oil).

The incorrect repos that proliferate stand out like a soar thumb to me.

- Phillip
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- Japan CG Mag 9 /65-NEW 12.04.22 Outside View and Race Car
Post by: Szabo on April 14, 2022, 05:11:18 AM
Thanks all for your answers and thoughts...

I totally agree that the Workers just doing her usual thing, maybe for somebody was it a
honor to work at shelbys, but for most just usual, hard and long working in a very noisy
and dirty place ...

All the Big Airplanes landing and starting, overall engines and racecars, no air condition and
long hours a day...

Also i see the cinder, there was simply solutions for bringing the slave wheels back zu AC
and also having not the right wheels ther.

The Cobras came bare metal from AC, the plans were to paint it on SAI, i know from the 289 production
that often the Paint Job was to repair befor selling it to people

there was almost 4 Paint Booth on SAI Hangas 8 & 9 together

and we know that the Raceprogramm for the 427 was canceled and selling to customes
was that easy because high price and nearly buying a racecar.

Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- Japan CG Mag 9 /65-NEW 12.04.22 Outside View and Race Car
Post by: 68countrysedan on April 14, 2022, 12:13:00 PM
Mr. S

Thanks for the fyi.

Hadn't considered the aspect of shipping painted cars versus painting them here.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- Japan CG Mag 9 /65-NEW 12.04.22 Outside View and Race Car
Post by: Szabo on August 20, 2022, 07:16:35 PM
Hello all together,

After a while i will try to post something i research a while

I have a lot of lose Pics, sometimes i can sorted it togehter because of the same motive or
other details.

Sadly for only a minimum i have correct Timecode and can back or forward from this on.

Sometimes i have luck and found a Pic with a date ...
and so i can posted here.

First i have only the Pic with the Twins, the Cobra and the Daytona Coupe

(https://abload.de/img/19650423twinsrobbinsf2ifn1.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=19650423twinsrobbinsf2ifn1.jpg)

Then i found a little more from the twins...

(https://abload.de/img/19650423twinsrobbinsfk0crg.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=19650423twinsrobbinsfk0crg.png)

and a little later i found a articel in a Riverside Raceway Magazing,
so we know the Name and the motive for the Shooting

(https://abload.de/img/19650423twinsrobbinsfgteyd.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=19650423twinsrobbinsfgteyd.jpg)

but at last and most importent i found a correct Timecode

(https://abload.de/img/19650423twinsrobbinsfrtdyp.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=19650423twinsrobbinsfrtdyp.png)


My thoughts about that...

-for the hole time i thought it was an Advertisment for American Airlane, pretty much work for only presenting to race categories on one Race,
 but i found nothing more about more Advertisment from the Twins.

-but for my LAX Thread the most important is that we dont see any GT350 in the Backround,
 but it nearly the same Point and angle that later the cars stand on the other well known pics,
 we see clearly the Small Building at the End of the Blast Wall.

so the Cars still was produced in the Carter Ave. Building at this point of Timecode.

the Birdview Pic must be later

(https://abload.de/img/50r4i36.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=50r4i36.jpg)

the 30+x GT350 in a Row Pic must be later
this Pic was also in the 65 Press Kit.

(https://abload.de/img/afsf36.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=afsf36.jpg)

i look for help for the last Pic to get a good timecode, or a higher resolution to read the Numbers
on the Windshield Papers, maybe someone here who reads and want to help can share someting

Thats all for the Moment, i hope i can come fast back to share more well researched stuff.

Greets from Germany

Szabo

Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 21.08.2022 - Twins photo Shooting 1965 04 23
Post by: Richstang on August 20, 2022, 10:10:11 PM
Becuase of the April 23rd date for the twin in front of the hanger with that Daytona Cobra...
We are still in discussion of which Daytona is in the photo.
Does anyone have info to lock it down for us (everyone looking)

It don't believe it is;
2287 had the different cowl with straight narrow cut lines between it and the door...it also has a flat ended rear spoiler
2601 and 2602 were noted as racing in Monza on April 25th.
2300 had the larger rounded left hood vent at Sebring (before) and at the Nurburgring (after) the 4/13 date.
2299 also appears to have a larger rounded nose left vent at Sebring that hangs over further on the left side

2286 sounds like the best option, but the twins photo shows the Daytona with white painted wheels and the 'Daytona' white script above the side rectangle vent. Photos of it at the open house in early June show dark painted wheels and no 'Daytona' white script.   ?



Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 21.08.2022 - Twins photo Shooting 1965 04 23
Post by: 68countrysedan on August 21, 2022, 02:23:52 AM
Mr. Szabo:

Your investigation continues to be brilliant.

Two questions: Do we have a list of Ford executives that attended the press function?

Also have you searched the Petersen photo achives for images? I have to believe that an editor(s) from Hot Rod/Motor Trend/Sports Car Graphic was in attendance. Or not.

In addition, I enjoy looking for the everyday details, since like a historical excavation, these are details of daily SA jobs.

Quote
i look for help for the last Pic to get a good timecode, or a higher resolution to read the Numbers
on the Windshield Papers, maybe someone here who reads and want to help can share someting

In that photo of unfinished GT350s, there's three rows there's 54 cars I can see in the photo, although it might be 76 (26x3).
And in a observation that's unlikely to mean anything, in the second row, the second car has Le Mans stripes unlike the other 75. Why was it parked there? Another lost detail of SA historical minutiae. 

Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 21.08.2022 - Twins photo Shooting 1965 04 23
Post by: Richstang on August 21, 2022, 09:32:57 AM
Mr. Szabo:

Your investigation continues to be brilliant.

Two questions: Do we have a list of Ford executives that attended the press function?

Also have you searched the Petersen photo achives for images? I have to believe that an editor(s) from Hot Rod/Motor Trend/Sports Car Graphic was in attendance. Or not.

In addition, I enjoy looking for the everyday details, since like a historical excavation, these are details of daily SA jobs.

Quote
i look for help for the last Pic to get a good timecode, or a higher resolution to read the Numbers
on the Windshield Papers, maybe someone here who reads and want to help can share someting

In that photo of unfinished GT350s, there's three rows there's 54 cars I can see in the photo, although it might be 76 (26x3).
And in a observation that's unlikely to mean anything, in the second row, the second car has Le Mans stripes unlike the other 75. Why was it parked there? Another lost detail of SA historical minutiae.

I can't spear for Szabo, but every known stone had been turned over looking for LAX photos.
Stephan, myself, and a few others have looked repeatedly for anything we could find.

Pertersens' Archives has nothing for LAX such as the open house.
The Henry Ford Collection has some photos, but nothing was noted about who was there.
Revs Digital Library does not seem to cover the event either.
There is NO LIST of the Ford excutives who attended the open house on June 7th, 1965.
A few different books and magazines have some captions that note a few Ford Execs who were there.

There are a few photos of theFord execs watching CS give his presentaion.
Ony Henry Ford II, Leo Beebe, Ray Geddes, with the board of directors have been identified.

Henry Ford II was sitting in the prototype Ford GT roadster with Carroll Shelby.
It is not clear if they drove the car around.

Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 21.08.2022 - Twins photo Shooting 1965 04 23
Post by: Side-Oilers on August 21, 2022, 01:23:30 PM
Rich & Stephan: You guys (and several others on here) have done an amazing job of sleuthing!  But, I suspect there are still some unturned stones to be discovered.   

I recently had lunch with the man who was the Petersen Museum archivist. Super nice guy, and loves automotive history. He previously worked for me at MT. 

He told me that he and one assistant scanned something like 1.6 million images into the Museum's system.  But, about a year or so ago, the Museum decided that such a project is too expensive (his pay, and that of the assistant) and let them both go.

For now, the museum is calling that project done. There are still millions more images sitting in metal file drawers hoping to be scanned someday, maybe.

Never give up the search!
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 21.08.2022 - Twins photo Shooting 1965 04 23
Post by: 68countrysedan on August 21, 2022, 01:42:55 PM
Quote
Pertersens' Archives has nothing for LAX such as the open house.
The Henry Ford Collection has some photos, but nothing was noted about who was there.
Revs Digital Library does not seem to cover the event either.
There is NO LIST of the Ford excutives who attended the open house on June 7th, 1965.
A few different books and magazines have some captions that note a few Ford Execs who were there.

Thanks for the FYI and it illustrates that historical research can be messy. I'm surprised at the lack of photos. SA was just down the 405 from Petersen and an editor could have received a free lunch to boot.


Quote
I suspect there are still some unturned stones to be discovered.   

I recently had lunch with the man who was the Petersen Museum archivist. Super nice guy, and loves automotive history. He previously worked for me at MT.

He told me that he and one assistant scanned something like 1.6 million images into the Museum's system.  But, about a year or two ago, the Museum decided that such a project is too expensive (his pay, and that of the assistant) and let them both go.

For now, the museum is calling that project done. There are still millions more images sitting in metal file drawers hoping to be scanned someday, maybe.

Never give up the search!

I am inclined to agree with Mr. Side-Oilers. Not surprised at the cost cutting plus in historical research discoveries are often found in the last place you look. In this case metal file drawers that no one yet has a clue what's there.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 21.08.2022 - Twins photo Shooting 1965 04 23
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on August 21, 2022, 02:37:21 PM
Thanks for the FYI and it illustrates that historical research can be messy. I'm surprised at the lack of photos. SA was just down the 405 from Petersen and an editor could have received a free lunch to boot.

He told me that he and one assistant scanned something like 1.6 million images into the Museum's system.  But, about a year or two ago, the Museum decided that such a project is too expensive (his pay, and that of the assistant) and let them both go.

They probably weren't invited. Yes an "open" house but a very elite guest list and probably very high level deals going on in the background. Henry would have flown out on his plane with 3-4 of the inner circle - those who hung onto his coat tails during the event. The rest of the VPs would have come commercial - they would have been from any group that CS was involved with for parts or development - engines - styling - PR/racing - etc.

I remember the old guy that worked the archives at Petersen. When they started to thin the storage they piled the studio floor with stacks of magazines. We went in and grabbed off all the old Sports Car Graphics and a fair amount of MT and Hot Rod and specials. I don't know if they scanned them or just decided they needed the room. Still have a couple boxes of them.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 21.08.2022 - Twins photo Shooting 1965 04 23
Post by: Szabo on August 21, 2022, 04:31:15 PM
Hello all together ...

thanks for the very kindly answers, and your interest
in our work.

I personally always have the most interest in the LAX Pics and History, maybe because i liked
the 65 and 66 GT350 (and 427 Cobra, GT40) for my all time favourite.

I have a lot of luck that mostly Rich is willing and able to have Emailcontact and he can always
bring one more thing on the table i searched hours, days, weeks befor with no success.

I tryed several time to get a lot more deeper in the rabbit hole with people that have more access to
Shelby-Files, Pics or something else.

Sometimes i get help but often i get even no email back.

The Petersen Archiv is such a site where i never recieved a answer on my request.
But i will totally believe this was after the nice Person was fired from the job.

it would be my kind of dream to have such boxes to scan and describ, to the new old pics and find
the stories within.
Boy, i would do it for free for a while :-D

Whenever i get a database like the Henry Ford, Petersen and such other i try to find all which is interest for me,
my bad luck is that i often have new themes and look over hours the same files again, again and again.

The Petersen was very helpfull to find totally new stuff, please they that "nice Man" a mega huge Thank you, show am
my work which is based on his work and could never be done without him...

It was very,very helpfull for the early GT350 production inside the Carter Ave. Building

and for LAX it have this files which also must be very early befor the production or even 1 other Car was standing
on LAX, one of the "unturned Stones" Timecodes

(https://abload.de/img/942825scr_wm_39d23a38bcfx9.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=942825scr_wm_39d23a38bcfx9.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/942822scr_wm_356d4ba982fji.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=942822scr_wm_356d4ba982fji.jpg)


For the hole "OPEN HOUSE" Event i worked nearly 2 years (with brakes) to get a full story with a
lot of backround information on it... it is unfinised at the moment.

They where a lot of people invited, but i suggest more for Re Sale the Cars, the other day for some family public
and the other day only for the ford executives. Some newspaper bring articels a few days later...

No "Big Magazin" i know bring anything from the open house event, but the Edition from Petersen have
always a really good access in all the Cars which is more important to do a test drive or a articel about.

Let i say befor, i worked on this and hopefully can bring it on the table here...

i have no list for Executive Members, i only realize about 5-10 People when i see it on pics,
a big lack on research then often the sons or family of the SAI Members keep the legacy alive with
great information and pics.

Thanks again for your replys

Stephan
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 21.08.2022 - Twins photo Shooting 1965 04 23
Post by: JessC on August 21, 2022, 08:20:58 PM
Have you talked Jim Marietta he worked for Shelby he states  he might have some info
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 21.08.2022 - Twins photo Shooting 1965 04 23
Post by: Richstang on August 25, 2022, 10:27:31 PM
Mr. Szabo:

Your investigation continues to be brilliant.

Two questions: Do we have a list of Ford executives that attended the press function?

Also have you searched the Petersen photo achives for images? I have to believe that an editor(s) from Hot Rod/Motor Trend/Sports Car Graphic was in attendance. Or not.

In addition, I enjoy looking for the everyday details, since like a historical excavation, these are details of daily SA jobs.

Quote
i look for help for the last Pic to get a good timecode, or a higher resolution to read the Numbers
on the Windshield Papers, maybe someone here who reads and want to help can share someting

In that photo of unfinished GT350s, there's three rows there's 54 cars I can see in the photo, although it might be 76 (26x3).
And in a observation that's unlikely to mean anything, in the second row, the second car has Le Mans stripes unlike the other 75. Why was it parked there? Another lost detail of SA historical minutiae.

Not quite a list of FORD antendees, but...

I found a list of the FORD Board of directors in July 1965 with a photo


(https://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-250822222416.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 21.08.2022 - Twins photo Shooting 1965 04 23
Post by: Side-Oilers on August 25, 2022, 11:55:50 PM
Iacocca is probably plotting in his mind:
"Next year at this time, I'll be one of the guys who gets a chair!"
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 21.08.2022 - Twins photo Shooting 1965 04 23
Post by: 68countrysedan on August 26, 2022, 01:04:44 AM
Quote
Not quite a list of FORD antendees, but...

I found a list of the FORD Board of directors in July 1965 with a photo

Good catch. It helps present a potential list of SA attendee suspects.

Plus an interesting source, the Walter P. Ruther Library. It illustrates looking around other tangential automotive collections because you never know what photo/scan/pr release/ newsletter that someone has archived. 

I still remain bemused that it seems, thus far, to appear that someone from Ford PR didn't cover the event showing Ford executives more closely since this was the Total Performance era that Ford was promoting full time.

Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 21.08.2022 - Twins photo Shooting 1965 04 23
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on August 26, 2022, 12:56:40 PM
The Petersen Archiv is such a site where i never recieved a answer on my request.
But i will totally believe this was after the nice Person was fired from the job.

it would be my kind of dream to have such boxes to scan and describ, to the new old pics and find
the stories within.
Boy, i would do it for free for a while :-D

Given the massive size of the records collection it will take many years to go through it. Depending on how things were moved/stored some may not be located for many years. There was a minimum of 1 roll of B&W for each article. Something like Car of the year there would be multiple photographers and probably 1000 B&W and 100 color shots plus the studio 2 1/4 or 4x5 cover shots. Multiply that by the numbers of articles per magazine, the number of magazines each month and the specials and you'll get a number well into the millions not thousands.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 21.08.2022 - Twins photo Shooting 1965 04 23
Post by: Szabo on April 30, 2023, 03:57:29 PM
Hello,

i will try to bring some life in this thread...

This time we find a solution from one question Richstang and i was looking for, we had some shots from the follow pics
but wasnt able to find the video/movie these pics was shown ...

By pur coincedence i look a 4 part video on youtube and find exactly these pics from very early time on LAX

The video showes about 3 sequence for LAX, i will show the Pics and give some explanation for each set of pics.

Any thought or comment is welcome, hope you have fun...

First set of Pics

clearly LA Airport  with the look over the Blast Wall on Planes and the Theme Building
(https://abload.de/img/95kfwa.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=95kfwa.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/10z0eyu.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=10z0eyu.jpg)

then it shows the Caravan with the big COBRA Letters on it, standing under the roof of the later Show/Race Hangar,
please note that only one paint booth was finished at this point ... 2 two Cobras and 1 Mustang Hardtop standing

(https://abload.de/img/1270i6u.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1270i6u.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/13lndqr.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=13lndqr.jpg)

one important thing for a later Timecode, at the end of the Caravan you can see for less then 1 second some
bare Cobras standing, this means that the first of later 427 Racecobras was already here
(https://abload.de/img/16gwdol.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=16gwdol.jpg)

The next set/sequence shows some / first / early GT350 standing on the "Finished GT350 Parking Lot" Area,
i can see that at the End of the row, 1 GT350 is on one side jacked up,
i count 15 GT350, with about 7 has Top Stripes ...

(https://abload.de/img/17hui88.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=17hui88.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/18efi1c.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=18efi1c.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/193nf74.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=193nf74.jpg)

Maybe some thoughts from me to this Pics ...

I think that these Movie was made after this Pic, where no Paint Booth was installed
(https://abload.de/img/196500001dvf1w.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=196500001dvf1w.jpg)

and befor this one, you can see a lot more of finished GT350 ... and the bare Cobras of course
(https://abload.de/img/50drdye.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=50drdye.jpg)

more Pics from the Footage coming soon ...
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 21.08.2022 - Twins photo Shooting 1965 04 23
Post by: crossboss on April 30, 2023, 08:58:32 PM
Hello,

i will try to bring some life in this thread...

This time we find a solution from one question Richstang and i was looking for, we had some shots from the follow pics
but wasnt able to find the video/movie these pics was shown ...

By pur coincedence i look a 4 part video on youtube and find exactly these pics from very early time on LAX

The video showes about 3 sequence for LAX, i will show the Pics and give some explanation for each set of pics.

Any thought or comment is welcome, hope you have fun...

First set of Pics

clearly LA Airport  with the look over the Blast Wall on Planes and the Theme Building
(https://abload.de/img/95kfwa.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=95kfwa.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/10z0eyu.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=10z0eyu.jpg)

then it shows the Caravan with the big COBRA Letters on it, standing under the roof of the later Show/Race Hangar,
please note that only one paint booth was finished at this point ... 2 two Cobras and 1 Mustang Hardtop standing

(https://abload.de/img/1270i6u.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1270i6u.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/13lndqr.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=13lndqr.jpg)

one important thing for a later Timecode, at the end of the Caravan you can see for less then 1 second some
bare Cobras standing, this means that the first of later 427 Racecobras was already here
(https://abload.de/img/16gwdol.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=16gwdol.jpg)

The next set/sequence shows some / first / early GT350 standing on the "Finished GT350 Parking Lot" Area,
i can see that at the End of the row, 1 GT350 is on one side jacked up,
i count 15 GT350, with about 7 has Top Stripes ...

(https://abload.de/img/17hui88.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=17hui88.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/18efi1c.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=18efi1c.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/193nf74.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=193nf74.jpg)

Maybe some thoughts from me to this Pics ...

I think that these Movie was made after this Pic, where no Paint Booth was installed
(https://abload.de/img/196500001dvf1w.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=196500001dvf1w.jpg)

and befor this one, you can see a lot more of finished GT350 ... and the bare Cobras of course
(https://abload.de/img/50drdye.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=50drdye.jpg)

more Pics from the Footage coming soon ...



FWIW,
The first few frames (with the scratches) are stills from 16mm (or maybe Super 8mm) prints. The scratches (from a projection print) and the big giveaway is the fog in the upper right of the frames. This was caused by the camera's film gate not seating correctly. The clear, sharp images are done on 35mm negatives.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 30.4.2023 -"Lost Movie" Footage from very early found
Post by: silverton_ford on February 01, 2024, 01:17:29 PM
Reviving an old thread.  I came across this photo on ebay and thought it would be valuable here.  The photo is a slide taken in 1965.

(https://www.saacforum.com/gallery/44-010224131634.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 30.4.2023 -"Lost Movie" Footage from very early found
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on February 01, 2024, 04:36:49 PM
Ford archives has a hand search service for anything that is not online. There is sometimes a charge but their records are well cataloged so it's not a needle in a haystack search. When they find something that you wanted they scan it for you and put it on line too.
I would be surprised if Henry didn't have a Ford photographer at the Open House. SA was an important cog in their performance development. A lot of their archival photos have the date and who's in the photo.  https://www.thehenryford.org/collections-and-research/digital-resources/research-databases/

Dave Freidman's collection is now in the Ford Archives - I think this is a least the 3rd-4th place he's sold it to......
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 30.4.2023 -"Lost Movie" Footage from very early found
Post by: shelbymann1970 on February 02, 2024, 10:44:02 AM
Ford archives has a hand search service for anything that is not online. There is sometimes a charge but their records are well cataloged so it's not a needle in a haystack search. When they find something that you wanted they scan it for you and put it on line too.
I would be surprised if Henry didn't have a Ford photographer at the Open House. SA was an important cog in their performance development. A lot of their archival photos have the date and who's in the photo.  https://www.thehenryford.org/collections-and-research/digital-resources/research-databases/

Dave Freidman's collection is now in the Ford Archives - I think this is a least the 3rd-4th place he's sold it to......
You link to the Henry Ford. So is that where you could research photos? I wasn't aware if it was available from the Henry Ford. Are you saying I could go there and search photos? I get emails all the time from this site  https://fordimages.com/
  Since I am a member of the Henry Ford I would sure like to be able to search for what isn't online from them or Fordimages.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 30.4.2023 -"Lost Movie" Footage from very early found
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on February 02, 2024, 11:15:00 AM
You link to the Henry Ford. So is that where you could research photos? I wasn't aware if it was available from the Henry Ford. Are you saying I could go there and search photos? I get emails all the time from this site  https://fordimages.com/
  Since I am a member of the Henry Ford I would sure like to be able to search for what isn't online from them or Fordimages.
The Benson Ford Research Center archives are at the Henry Ford but it's actually a public library. Anything they have collected that is paper or film is there.
20900 Oakwood Blvd. Dearborn, MI 48120
United States
 313-982-6020  research.center@thehenryford.org

The Benson Ford Research Center is part of The Henry Ford, America's Greatest History Attraction, which includes the Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village. The Research Center's holdings include the historical records of Ford Motor Company and The Henry Ford, and other archival collections, books, periodicals, and trade catalogs relating to the automotive, industrial, social and cultural history of America.

The Benson Ford Research Center is free and open to the public. Members of the general public cannot check out books, but are welcome to visit the reading room to access the library and archival collections.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 30.4.2023 -"Lost Movie" Footage from very early found
Post by: shelbymann1970 on February 02, 2024, 12:07:33 PM
You link to the Henry Ford. So is that where you could research photos? I wasn't aware if it was available from the Henry Ford. Are you saying I could go there and search photos? I get emails all the time from this site  https://fordimages.com/
  Since I am a member of the Henry Ford I would sure like to be able to search for what isn't online from them or Fordimages.
The Benson Ford Research Center archives are at the Henry Ford but it's actually a public library. Anything they have collected that is paper or film is there.
20900 Oakwood Blvd. Dearborn, MI 48120
United States
 313-982-6020  research.center@thehenryford.org

The Benson Ford Research Center is part of The Henry Ford, America's Greatest History Attraction, which includes the Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village. The Research Center's holdings include the historical records of Ford Motor Company and The Henry Ford, and other archival collections, books, periodicals, and trade catalogs relating to the automotive, industrial, social and cultural history of America.

The Benson Ford Research Center is free and open to the public. Members of the general public cannot check out books, but are welcome to visit the reading room to access the library and archival collections.
Thanks. Since I know The Henry Ford well-or so I thought- a google maps search of that address puts the library where ticket sales are actually. I'm sure it is near by. I'll check it out next time we visit the Village. Every year for over a decade I have put one of my Shelbys in the Motor Muster at Greenfield Village. The only time My Shelbys have ever sat outside over night. I do it every Father's Day weekend(Friday-Sunday). Great show.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 30.4.2023 -"Lost Movie" Footage from very early found
Post by: Coralsnake on February 03, 2024, 06:39:36 AM
Heres my experience with the Benson

Its not like an archive in a typical sense. A public library is more descriptive in my opinion. Things are filed under "collections" so if Joe Cool worked for Ford as an illustrator for twenty years, he may have donated his collection of work. Joes early years might include one drawing of a Mustang and a hundred drawings of other projects. Things like a Thunderbird taillight from 1982.

Heres the issue if you dont specifically what Joe donated, you are going to potentially handed a box with a 10 of his drawings and never see the Mustang. If you dont know who Joe is...you will be shooting in the dark.

I did see some very cool stuff spending a couple days there, but my experience was not filled with success.

I dont think they are going to you hand a box marked "green hornet project -Shelby American"

Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 30.4.2023 -"Lost Movie" Footage from very early found
Post by: shelbymann1970 on February 03, 2024, 07:00:47 AM
Heres my experience with the Benson

Its not like an archive in a typical sense. A public library is more descriptive in my opinion. Things are filed under "collections" so if Joe Cool worked for Ford as an illustrator for twenty years, he may have donated his collection of work. Joes early years might include one drawing of a Mustang and a hundred drawings of other projects. Things like a Thunderbird taillight from 1982.

Heres the issue if you dont specifically what Joe donated, you are going to potentially handed a box with a 10 of his drawings and never see the Mustang. If you dont know who Joe is...you will be shooting in the dark.

I did see some very cool stuff spending a couple days there, but my experience was not filled with success.

I dont think they are going to you hand a box marked "green hornet project -Shelby American"
Do you remember where it was located? I know decades ago Ed used to go through the Henry Ford centennial library looking for Ford docs.  on Mich avenue in Dearborn IIRC. https://dearbornlibrary.org/
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 30.4.2023 -"Lost Movie" Footage from very early found
Post by: Coralsnake on February 03, 2024, 08:17:58 AM
In Greenfield Village I believe
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 30.4.2023 -"Lost Movie" Footage from very early found
Post by: 6R07mi on February 06, 2024, 12:43:05 PM
I too am a member of The Henry Ford and contacted the Benson Ford Research center regarding research.
Since Whuan COVID they have been closed to the public and refer you to online staff for inquiries.

I requested any documents from the 1963~1967 Total Performance programs and was informed "they don't have much material or documents from 1962 and up, most of their material is pre 1960".
FWIW

jim p
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 30.4.2023 -"Lost Movie" Footage from very early found
Post by: gt350shelb on February 06, 2024, 08:47:52 PM
 I have spent a week at Benson  and   https://detroitpubliclibrary.org/locations/skillman.

Benson was hit or miss for 60s stuff / but well organized but the process was slow to view items. no cameras or phones allowed.
We spent 3 days here ( 3 people) and made over 1000 pages of copies of information. but likely looked thru 20000 pages and photos. 

  The detroit public library had this location that was Mostly automotive https://detroitpubliclibrary.org/locations/skillman.

it is temporarily closed at the moment.

This was a very disorganized collection, but it sometimes yielded gold finds. And the staff was much more willing to work with you. many of the collections that  benson had no interest in ended up here .


 
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 30.4.2023 -"Lost Movie" Footage from very early found
Post by: Szabo on February 10, 2024, 01:17:28 PM
Reviving an old thread.  I came across this photo on ebay and thought it would be valuable here.  The photo is a slide taken in 1965.

(https://www.saacforum.com/gallery/44-010224131634.jpeg)

HEY,

thank you very much for posting these Pics and put a little life in these thread

I looked on ebay also and found some more, wonderfull colored, Pics
the seller noted these as MAY 1965 and i believe this,
i hope to can make some compartments for better understanding.

These Pic shows the End of the Blast Wall, the Cobras are all here and some GT350 Competition Models are
waiting, Nr. "36" should be 5R001
(https://i.postimg.cc/qqvqf85P/s-l16001.png) (https://postimg.cc/mzKBCFRj)

the Second Pic show the closed Front Gate with the very nice big round Cobra Logo, note
the 289 Cobras, must be the last one for delievering
(https://i.postimg.cc/NM7DCw3N/s-l16002.png) (https://postimg.cc/PpJ1N0rZ)

the third Pic shows the other End of the Blast Wall, very less 65 GT350 standing.
(https://i.postimg.cc/7ZFNx6Ds/s-l16003.png) (https://postimg.cc/MnYB5znV)

Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 10.02.24 - 4 new colored Pics from May 65
Post by: Coralsnake on February 10, 2024, 03:33:47 PM
Szabo, I have said it before, great job
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 10.02.24 - 4 new colored Pics from May 65
Post by: Szabo on February 10, 2024, 06:35:49 PM
I tried a little comparsion to proof the Time Code and
look closer to the Pics and details

(https://i.postimg.cc/h4sPQLck/Overview-May65.png) (https://postimg.cc/V5Sc3bSg)

First look was about the Details and i started with the Pic by the Race Hangar


Yellow Line shows the the End of the Blast Wall
Note the pure unfinished Cobras are standing in a row
the purple Circle shows some "Construction" Material or wooden ramps, you can see it on both Pics

a Difference is the Number of the Competition GT350, on the Black/White Pic it seems to be less then on the colored Pic.

Second Look was on the front Gate

The Red Line shows the passage thruw the Blast Wall, the blue cirlce shows a Car Hauler
the green Circle shows the 289 Cobras standing - a total new Detail for me, never noticed this on the black/white Pic

Third Pic shows a difference


The Pink line shows on both Pics the Building on the End of Blast Wall
The Blue Circle show a big difference in the number of the finished GT350 ...
the black/white Pic shows 3 Rows with a lot more cars

i made another Comparsion from a other view

(https://i.postimg.cc/mkjDbMgG/Overview-May65-2.png) (https://postimg.cc/gLwdsxhM)

Here cou you can see the orange Line shows the Building,
and the Pink Circle shows the same sort of many many material or whatever cubes standing on the end
of the Production Hangar
Again you can see that on the back/white Pic are a lot more finished GT350 are showed
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 10.02.24 - 4 new colored Pics May 65 w. Comparsion
Post by: silverton_ford on February 11, 2024, 10:44:25 AM
Awesome work!

I was flipping back and forth with the aerial photos and doing the same thing - lining up the shots.  Thank you for making a professional photo showing each angle and where they are.

The No. 36 car is 5R002.  You can see the fixed side door glass.
Title: Re: Shelby Buildings -LAX- New 10.02.24 - 4 new colored Pics May 65 w. Comparsion
Post by: Szabo on February 13, 2024, 04:52:27 PM
Thank you for your answers...

i tryed to confirm the Timecode from May 1965

I base myself on the number of the Street GT350 in the pictures and compare
 it with others that I can narrow down in time

1965 04 23
in the Backround of the Robbins Twins are no GT350 visible,
so the GT350´s didnt stand in the rows
(https://i.postimg.cc/859BBYwp/1965-04-23-Twins-Robbins-for-Riverside-Raceway-USRRC-Race-May-1-2-1.png) (https://postimages.org/)

1965 05 ??
the finished parking lot is not full with GT350
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y90Bmvyc/1965-05-20-befor-3.png) (https://postimg.cc/8F202zSw)

1965 05 ??
finished parking lot is filled with GT350,
but not in straight rows
(https://i.postimg.cc/9QBfdq1z/P1120694.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sMvyyxkR)

1965 05 20 or closley after
the finished parking lot is full with GT350, standing nicely in rows
from this Date the finished parking lot was always full with rows of cars
(https://i.postimg.cc/K8GLLFF7/1965-05-21-or-closley-after-Press-Kit-Pic.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Would you agree to the timeline ?